Pulled up at work with one of the Gremlins today and the first job was to
drill a 22mm hole through a brick wall.

He got out the cordless SDS and 1m 22 drill bit. I stopped him and pointed
out that

a) the battery was probably not charged enough to drill the hole and there
was only one battery
b) we would need the cordless SDS to fix the armoured cleats after drilling
the hole

and

c) it was my cordless SDS and it is getting a little old and I do not want
it drilling 22mm holes through brick walls.

I told him to get the Makia and extension lead out of the van and use those
whilst I went up to the house to have a word with the owner.

10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or an
extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless battery on
charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the battery had
died halfway through doing so.

I then kicked off and asked him why he had used the cordless and his answer
was "I don't know". My reply was "I don't know is not a ****ing answer, you
have until home time to tell me why you used the cordless or you are walking
back"

At hometime I asked again why he had used the cordless and he said "I don't
know".

So I left him to walk back to the unit in the cold rain.

It's 3 miles to the nearest bus stop and 7 miles back to the unit. As he
fell asleep in the van on the way to the job I doubt very much that he knew
where he was (middle of nowhere describes the place well) and he would
probably be unable to call someone for lift.

And if he does not learn the walk then the owner of the firm will ask one
question when he gets back to the unit.

That question is "why did you use the cordless?"
If the answer is still "I don't know" then he will be handed a written
warning (although to be fair he will get one regardless of his answer)

--
Adam

"ARW" wrote in message
...
Pulled up at work with one of the Gremlins today and the first job was to
drill a 22mm hole through a brick wall.

He got out the cordless SDS and 1m 22 drill bit. I stopped him and pointed
out that

a) the battery was probably not charged enough to drill the hole and there
was only one battery
b) we would need the cordless SDS to fix the armoured cleats after
drilling the hole

and

c) it was my cordless SDS and it is getting a little old and I do not want
it drilling 22mm holes through brick walls.

I told him to get the Makia and extension lead out of the van and use
those whilst I went up to the house to have a word with the owner.

10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or an
extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless battery on
charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the battery
had died halfway through doing so.

I then kicked off and asked him why he had used the cordless and his
answer was "I don't know". My reply was "I don't know is not a ****ing
answer, you have until home time to tell me why you used the cordless or
you are walking back"

At hometime I asked again why he had used the cordless and he said "I
don't know".

So I left him to walk back to the unit in the cold rain.

It's 3 miles to the nearest bus stop and 7 miles back to the unit. As he
fell asleep in the van on the way to the job I doubt very much that he
knew where he was (middle of nowhere describes the place well) and he
would probably be unable to call someone for lift.

And if he does not learn the walk then the owner of the firm will ask one
question when he gets back to the unit.

That question is "why did you use the cordless?"
If the answer is still "I don't know" then he will be handed a written
warning (although to be fair he will get one regardless of his answer)

--
Adam

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.
Did you tell the Gremlin to go for the joint?

Mr Pounder wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message
...
Pulled up at work with one of the Gremlins today and the first job
was to drill a 22mm hole through a brick wall.

He got out the cordless SDS and 1m 22 drill bit. I stopped him and
pointed out that

a) the battery was probably not charged enough to drill the hole
and there was only one battery
b) we would need the cordless SDS to fix the armoured cleats after
drilling the hole

and

c) it was my cordless SDS and it is getting a little old and I do
not want it drilling 22mm holes through brick walls.

I told him to get the Makia and extension lead out of the van and
use those whilst I went up to the house to have a word with the
owner. 10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita
or
an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless
battery on charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the
battery had died halfway through doing so.

I then kicked off and asked him why he had used the cordless and his
answer was "I don't know". My reply was "I don't know is not a
****ing answer, you have until home time to tell me why you used
the cordless or you are walking back"

At hometime I asked again why he had used the cordless and he said
"I don't know".

So I left him to walk back to the unit in the cold rain.

It's 3 miles to the nearest bus stop and 7 miles back to the unit.
As he fell asleep in the van on the way to the job I doubt very
much that he knew where he was (middle of nowhere describes the
place well) and he would probably be unable to call someone for
lift. And if he does not learn the walk then the owner of the firm will
ask one question when he gets back to the unit.

That question is "why did you use the cordless?"
If the answer is still "I don't know" then he will be handed a
written warning (although to be fair he will get one regardless of
his answer) --
Adam

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.


We had used the drill in the morning before we arrived at this job.

Did you tell the Gremlin to go for the joint?

He cannot smoke them in work time.

--
Adam

"ARW" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message
...
Pulled up at work with one of the Gremlins today and the first job
was to drill a 22mm hole through a brick wall.

He got out the cordless SDS and 1m 22 drill bit. I stopped him and
pointed out that

a) the battery was probably not charged enough to drill the hole
and there was only one battery
b) we would need the cordless SDS to fix the armoured cleats after
drilling the hole

and

c) it was my cordless SDS and it is getting a little old and I do
not want it drilling 22mm holes through brick walls.

I told him to get the Makia and extension lead out of the van and
use those whilst I went up to the house to have a word with the
owner. 10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita
or
an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless
battery on charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the
battery had died halfway through doing so.

I then kicked off and asked him why he had used the cordless and his
answer was "I don't know". My reply was "I don't know is not a
****ing answer, you have until home time to tell me why you used
the cordless or you are walking back"

At hometime I asked again why he had used the cordless and he said
"I don't know".

So I left him to walk back to the unit in the cold rain.

It's 3 miles to the nearest bus stop and 7 miles back to the unit.
As he fell asleep in the van on the way to the job I doubt very
much that he knew where he was (middle of nowhere describes the
place well) and he would probably be unable to call someone for
lift. And if he does not learn the walk then the owner of the firm will
ask one question when he gets back to the unit.

That question is "why did you use the cordless?"
If the answer is still "I don't know" then he will be handed a
written warning (although to be fair he will get one regardless of
his answer) --
Adam

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.


We had used the drill in the morning before we arrived at this job.

I now understand.

Did you tell the Gremlin to go for the joint?

He cannot smoke them in work time.

Apart from that, he may try to blame you for the **** up.
How old is he?

Mr Pounder wrote:


"ARW" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message
...
Pulled up at work with one of the Gremlins today and the first job
was to drill a 22mm hole through a brick wall.

He got out the cordless SDS and 1m 22 drill bit. I stopped him and
pointed out that

a) the battery was probably not charged enough to drill the hole
and there was only one battery
b) we would need the cordless SDS to fix the armoured cleats after
drilling the hole

and

c) it was my cordless SDS and it is getting a little old and I do
not want it drilling 22mm holes through brick walls.

I told him to get the Makia and extension lead out of the van and
use those whilst I went up to the house to have a word with the
owner. 10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the
makita or
an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless
battery on charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the
battery had died halfway through doing so.

I then kicked off and asked him why he had used the cordless and his
answer was "I don't know". My reply was "I don't know is not a
****ing answer, you have until home time to tell me why you used
the cordless or you are walking back"

At hometime I asked again why he had used the cordless and he said
"I don't know".

So I left him to walk back to the unit in the cold rain.

It's 3 miles to the nearest bus stop and 7 miles back to the unit.
As he fell asleep in the van on the way to the job I doubt very
much that he knew where he was (middle of nowhere describes the
place well) and he would probably be unable to call someone for
lift. And if he does not learn the walk then the owner of the firm
will ask one question when he gets back to the unit.

That question is "why did you use the cordless?"
If the answer is still "I don't know" then he will be handed a
written warning (although to be fair he will get one regardless of
his answer) --
Adam

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.


We had used the drill in the morning before we arrived at this job.

I now understand.

Did you tell the Gremlin to go for the joint?

He cannot smoke them in work time.

Apart from that, he may try to blame you for the **** up.
How old is he?

I have mostly trained my 6 yr old that a specific instruction is not to be
ignored.

I do not know what the rest of the parents are doing...

--
Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

Mr Pounder wrote:

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.

That isn't adequate when you're using it all day. We have 800W inverters
in the van with aux batteries and charge everything that way.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.

That isn't adequate when you're using it all day. We have 800W inverters
in the van with aux batteries and charge everything that way.

Bill

I used to charge my drill up in Travelodges etc.
It was one hell of a drill; cost £360 in 1999.
It had all these lights and things.
Then, they took it off me :-(

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:53:20 +0000, ARW wrote:

snip
Why are teenage lads as thick as ****? I'm not sure they can help it, it
must be hormonal.

My missus gave our (well, my) lad a Saturday job. It lasted 5 weeks
before we decided it wasn't worth the family falling out with each other.

My missus gave our (well, my) lad a Saturday job. It lasted 5 weeks
before we decided it wasn't worth the family falling out with each other.

Newspaper boy: I want paying in advance to deliver the newspapers.

Fine, if fitted with a GPS tracking, remote electrocuting, interactive corrective behaviour monitoring ankle tag... or should that be neck tag... with automatic guillotine on any attempt to remove.

In article , ARW
o.uk scribeth thus
Pulled up at work with one of the Gremlins today and the first job was to
drill a 22mm hole through a brick wall.

He got out the cordless SDS and 1m 22 drill bit. I stopped him and pointed
out that

a) the battery was probably not charged enough to drill the hole and there
was only one battery
b) we would need the cordless SDS to fix the armoured cleats after drilling
the hole

and

c) it was my cordless SDS and it is getting a little old and I do not want
it drilling 22mm holes through brick walls.

I told him to get the Makia and extension lead out of the van and use those
whilst I went up to the house to have a word with the owner.

10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or an
extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless battery on
charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the battery had
died halfway through doing so.

I then kicked off and asked him why he had used the cordless and his answer
was "I don't know". My reply was "I don't know is not a ****ing answer, you
have until home time to tell me why you used the cordless or you are walking
back"

At hometime I asked again why he had used the cordless and he said "I don't
know".

So I left him to walk back to the unit in the cold rain.

It's 3 miles to the nearest bus stop and 7 miles back to the unit. As he
fell asleep in the van on the way to the job I doubt very much that he knew
where he was (middle of nowhere describes the place well) and he would
probably be unable to call someone for lift.

And if he does not learn the walk then the owner of the firm will ask one
question when he gets back to the unit.

That question is "why did you use the cordless?"
If the answer is still "I don't know" then he will be handed a written
warning (although to be fair he will get one regardless of his answer)


I'm sometimes glad that most all of the time I work by myself..

I have sometimes in the past thought it might be an idea to take someone
on, but from the more I hear of it I value my sanity too much;!...

Are these proper trainee/appretices or are they those who've been sent
to do "community service" or some other such punishment?..

--
Tony Sayer

On 01/11/2012 21:59, tony sayer wrote:


I'm sometimes glad that most all of the time I work by myself..

I have sometimes in the past thought it might be an idea to take someone
on, but from the more I hear of it I value my sanity too much;!...

Are these proper trainee/appretices or are they those who've been sent
to do "community service" or some other such punishment?..

Adam isn't *meant to be* a punishment!

--
Rod

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:18:46 -0000, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.

That isn't adequate when you're using it all day. We have 800W inverters
in the van with aux batteries and charge everything that way.

Bill

I used to charge my drill up in Travelodges etc.
It was one hell of a drill; cost £360 in 1999.
It had all these lights and things.
Then, they took it off me :-(


Ah, Travelodge. Isn't that the hotel where breakfast is a a croissant
in a paper bag dumped outside your door?

Class.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:12:41 +0000, Graham. wrote:
Ah, Travelodge. Isn't that the hotel where breakfast is a a croissant in
a paper bag dumped outside your door?

Do they knock on the door and leg it?

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:12:41 +0000, Graham. wrote:

Ah, Travelodge. Isn't that the hotel where breakfast is a a croissant
in a paper bag dumped outside your door?

No soap either.

Class.

Used to use Travelodge a bit but they took away the soap, bath mat and
biscuits then the maintenance seemed to slip and the cleaning...

These days tend to end up in Premier Inn, Holiday Inn Express (breakfast
is included) and recently Days Inn (buy one get one free, flexible rate
as well). Can rarely book far enough in advance to get the cheap rooms
and even if I could there is no guarantee that I'll still need the room.
Cheap rooms don't have any refunds...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:53:20 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:


10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or an
extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless battery on
charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the battery had
died halfway through doing so.

Not very bright, really.
shrug
I dunno.

Tim Watts wrote:

I have mostly trained my 6 yr old that a specific instruction is not to be
ignored.

I do not know what the rest of the parents are doing...

Some years ago I was allocated a youngster on YTS to do clerical
work. She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other
departments, and I think I was a last resort.

She completely failed to understand that, in her position, she
was generally to do what was asked of her, when and in the manner
instructed. Discussion was fine, but somehow the outcome was
never taken on board. There seemed to be a curious misconception
that I would not notice what was, or was not, happening.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

On 02/11/12 06:35, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:53:20 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:


10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or an
extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless battery on
charge.

He had indeed tried to drill the hole with the cordless and the battery had
died halfway through doing so.

Not very bright, really.
shrug
I dunno.


Indeed. A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back onto
some list or other that means they can go back on the dole.


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 02/11/12 08:04, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

I have mostly trained my 6 yr old that a specific instruction is not to be
ignored.

I do not know what the rest of the parents are doing...

Some years ago I was allocated a youngster on YTS to do clerical
work. She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other
departments, and I think I was a last resort.

She completely failed to understand that, in her position, she
was generally to do what was asked of her, when and in the manner
instructed. Discussion was fine, but somehow the outcome was
never taken on board. There seemed to be a curious misconception
that I would not notice what was, or was not, happening.

Chris

And that has to be basically because her parents simply let her
do...pretty much what she wanted.

And were probably too out of it to notice.

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On Nov 1, 8:44*pm, R D S wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:53:20 +0000, ARW wrote:

snip
Why are teenage lads as thick as ****? I'm not sure they can help it, it
must be hormonal.

My missus gave our (well, my) lad a Saturday job. It lasted 5 weeks
before we decided it wasn't worth the family falling out with each other.

They have never had it tough. Hard times sharpens the mind up
wonderfully.
They may soon get opportunity to find out about this first hand,

On 02/11/2012 09:02, harry wrote:
On Nov 1, 8:44 pm, R D S wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:53:20 +0000, ARW wrote:

snip
Why are teenage lads as thick as ****? I'm not sure they can help it, it
must be hormonal.

My missus gave our (well, my) lad a Saturday job. It lasted 5 weeks
before we decided it wasn't worth the family falling out with each other.

They have never had it tough. Hard times sharpens the mind up
wonderfully.
They may soon get opportunity to find out about this first hand,


I was watching a Wetherspoons waitress yesterday (yeah, sad I know) and
it was staggering the amount of work she was getting through. Still she
had time to smile at all the old farts and generally look like she was a
happy bunny. I need hardly add that she was of East European origin.

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:05:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or
an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless
battery on charge.

Not very bright, really.

No just a lazy ******* who couldn't be arsed to follow simple
instructions and do a bit of extra work to complete the task properly.

A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back onto some list
or other that means they can go back on the dole.

Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for more
than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning the
streets.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Graham." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:18:46 -0000, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.

That isn't adequate when you're using it all day. We have 800W inverters
in the van with aux batteries and charge everything that way.

Bill

I used to charge my drill up in Travelodges etc.
It was one hell of a drill; cost £360 in 1999.
It had all these lights and things.
Then, they took it off me :-(


Ah, Travelodge. Isn't that the hotel where breakfast is a a croissant
in a paper bag dumped outside your door?

Class.

I really would not know. I was always away in the early hours of the
morning.

On Nov 2, 11:58*am, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:05:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or
an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless
battery on charge.

Not very bright, really.

No just a lazy ******* who couldn't be arsed to follow simple
instructions and do a bit of extra work to complete the task properly.

A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back onto some list
or other that means they can go back on the dole.

Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for more
than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning the
streets.

Doleing out UB should be handed to local councils with local people
forced to do something useful for their community in return for the
payments.Give them more incentive to get a proper job. Oh, and I would
bring back the workhouse for those who refuse to play by the new
rules.

MBQ

It is just a matter of charging.Your drill must be recharged on every night before going to next day work...Keep this in your mind that when you will not charge your device properly then it will effect your battery too.So recharge at a proper time and save the life of battery.
Byron Quarter

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Nov 1, 8:44 pm, R D S wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:53:20 +0000, ARW wrote:

snip
Why are teenage lads as thick as ****? I'm not sure they can help it, it
must be hormonal.

My missus gave our (well, my) lad a Saturday job. It lasted 5 weeks
before we decided it wasn't worth the family falling out with each other.

They have never had it tough. Hard times sharpens the mind up
wonderfully.
They may soon get opportunity to find out about this first hand,


When's that then, Harry ? After all the electricity has gone off ... ?
;-)

Arfa

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:33:47 PM UTC, Owain wrote:
On Nov 1, 10:10*pm, tony sayer wrote:

Are these proper trainee/appretices or are they those who've been sent

to do "community service" or some other such punishment?..



if it was community service they'd be getting taxi'd to and fro. At

public expense, of course.

and taking jobsd off of peole willing to do them for a price, which is what annoys me, is it actually any cheaper than getting 'proper people' to do these jobs ?





Owain

On Friday, November 2, 2012 11:58:03 AM UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:05:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or

an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless

battery on charge.



Not very bright, really.



No just a lazy ******* who couldn't be arsed to follow simple

instructions and do a bit of extra work to complete the task properly.



A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back onto some list

or other that means they can go back on the dole.



Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for more

than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning the

streets.

yeah sack the street cleaners it's not as though they need the money for living or anything as I assume they do it for fun.






--

Cheers

Dave.

On Nov 2, 4:19*pm, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, November 2, 2012 11:58:03 AM UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:05:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or

an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless

battery on charge.

Not very bright, really.

No just a lazy ******* who couldn't be arsed to follow simple

instructions and do a bit of extra work to complete the task properly.

A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back onto some list

or other that means they can go back on the dole.

Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for more

than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning the

streets.

yeah sack the street cleaners.


Why? There are far more streets that they ever clean. There's plenty
of work for benefit claimants. Heck, if they do a good job, pay them
the same as the street cleaners.

MBQ

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave wrote:

Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for more
than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning the
streets.

yeah sack the street cleaners it's not as though they need the money
for living or anything as I assume they do it for fun.

Well the obvious answer to that is that they deserve sacking as the
streets need cleaning. If they were doing their paid job properly there
wouldn't be overflowing bins, broken glass and litter blowing about.

And by "streets" I mean *all* public highways.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Friday, November 2, 2012 4:33:06 PM UTC, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:19*pm, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, November 2, 2012 11:58:03 AM UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:05:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita or



an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless



battery on charge.



Not very bright, really.



No just a lazy ******* who couldn't be arsed to follow simple



instructions and do a bit of extra work to complete the task properly..



A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back onto some list



or other that means they can go back on the dole.



Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for more



than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning the



streets.



yeah sack the street cleaners.





Why? There are far more streets that they ever clean. There's plenty

of work for benefit claimants. Heck, if they do a good job, pay them

the same as the street cleaners.

Street cleaners don't get free food, lodgings, and transport to and from their jobs, if they did yeah sure why not pay anyone the same rate of pay as they do.
But I'm still not convinced that the prison work force is a good idea when there's so many unimployed.





MBQ

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"
wrote:


Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for more

than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning the

streets.

yeah sack the street cleaners.


Why? There are far more streets that they ever clean. There's plenty
of work for benefit claimants. Heck, if they do a good job, pay them
the same as the street cleaners.

Country lanes could be a good place. The amount of rubbish that
doesn't degrade like coke bottles ,food wrappings etc is phenomenal if
you get up close to a hedge or verge. you don't really notice it when
passing in a vehicle. Where I live the village has a clean up each
spring and other places do the same. In about 1/2 mile of apparently
green country lane I collected 5 rubbish sacks of waste almost all of
it plastic both fragments and whole items.
Harder for the really workshy to escape as well if they are miles out
of town. Mini bus out ,Mini bus home and if you haven't thought about
packing lunch and a flask then you'll go hungry with no convenience
store to spend on overpriced snack food and expensive fizzy pop or
cheap lager.

Trouble with such a scheme is to make sure that for the many who are
not naturally workshy but for various reasons end up on the dole and
give up, is to not make it look like a punishment for being on the
dole. That just humilates people. You would need to make them feel
they are actually doing a useful exercise. You might have to move the
really workshy onto something like a chain gang later.

G.Harman

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:57:55 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave wrote:

Street cleaners don't get free food, lodgings, and transport to and
from their jobs, if they did yeah sure why not pay anyone the same rate
of pay as they do. But I'm still not convinced that the prison work
force is a good idea when there's so many unimployed.

Who mentioned prisoners? We are talking about those on benefits that
would otherwise be sat home in front of the telly doing SFA.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:11:11 +0000, wrote:

Country lanes could be a good place.

Agreed, that's why I sadi *all* public highways in and earlier post. And
I do include the central reservations of motorways in that as well. I
*might* let them close lane 3 in each direction for that though B-)

The amount of rubbish that doesn't degrade like coke bottles ,food
wrappings etc is phenomenal if you get up close to a hedge or verge.

You forgot drinks cans.

You don't really notice it when passing in a vehicle.

Aye.

Harder for the really workshy to escape as well if they are miles out
of town. Mini bus out ,Mini bus home

Froma central pick up point that they have to get to under their own
steam/cost by say 0900 dropped back at 1700, just like being a "worker".

and if you haven't thought about packing lunch and a flask then you'll
go hungry with no convenience store to spend on overpriced snack food
and expensive fizzy pop

More fool them. Put it in the introductory notes so they can't use the "I
wasn't told" excuse.

... or cheap lager.

Drinking "on duty" would be against the rules and lead to removal of
benefits.

Trouble with such a scheme is to make sure that for the many who are
not naturally workshy but for various reasons end up on the dole and
give up, is to not make it look like a punishment for being on the
dole.

I think the "poverty trap" gets a lot of people, rather than "giving up".
This either because the wages of the low paid are too low or the benefits
for doing SFA are to high. It's not an easy one to solve.

I've having a good year this year, I would not be surprised that by the
time the tax credits etc have been hacked back to be no better off at
all, despite having done several weeks extra work. Why should I bother?

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Cheers
Dave.

whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:33:47 PM UTC, Owain wrote:
On Nov 1, 10:10 pm, tony sayer wrote:

Are these proper trainee/appretices or are they those who've been sent

to do "community service" or some other such punishment?..



if it was community service they'd be getting taxi'd to and fro. At

public expense, of course.

and taking jobsd off of peole willing to do them for a price, which is
what annoys me, is it actually any cheaper than getting 'proper people' to
do these jobs ?





Owain

If they are doing something that would not get done otherwise, it's OK. Of
course, there is a fine line between that and cutting back on work, then
reallocating it to the doleys.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave wrote:

Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for
more than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week
cleaning the streets.

yeah sack the street cleaners it's not as though they need the money
for living or anything as I assume they do it for fun.

Well the obvious answer to that is that they deserve sacking as the
streets need cleaning. If they were doing their paid job properly
there wouldn't be overflowing bins, broken glass and litter blowing
about.

And by "streets" I mean *all* public highways.

TBH if it was not for the ****s that threw the litter in the first place
there would be no problem.

And that was another apprentice that walked. He threw an empty coke can out
of the van window.

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Adam

On 02/11/2012 16:48, Dave Liquorice wrote:


Well the obvious answer to that is that they deserve sacking as the
streets need cleaning. If they were doing their paid job properly there
wouldn't be overflowing bins, broken glass and litter blowing about.

And by "streets" I mean *all* public highways.

Each and every individual street cleaner might be working solidly all
day, every day, yet still there would be far too much rubbish for them
to clear up satisfactorily. At the level of the individual street
cleaner, other than turning up and doing what they are told diligently
there is little they can do to improve the situation.

Blame the people who in their various ways produce the rubbish, those
who only deploy a fraction of the required street cleaners, the wind if
you want - but I never seem to see a street cleaner doing anything but
working.

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Rod

On Friday, November 2, 2012 7:12:11 PM UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 02/11/2012 16:48, Dave Liquorice wrote:


Well the obvious answer to that is that they deserve sacking as the
streets need cleaning. If they were doing their paid job properly there
wouldn't be overflowing bins, broken glass and litter blowing about.

And by "streets" I mean *all* public highways.


Each and every individual street cleaner might be working solidly all
day, every day, yet still there would be far too much rubbish for them
to clear up satisfactorily. At the level of the individual street
cleaner, other than turning up and doing what they are told diligently
there is little they can do to improve the situation.
Blame the people who in their various ways produce the rubbish, those
who only deploy a fraction of the required street cleaners, the wind if
you want - but I never seem to see a street cleaner doing anything but
working.

I certainly wouldn't blame councils for not employing more cleaners, the last thing I want is to pay even more taxes.

People who put rubbish there are 99% to blame. But a lot of the street rubbish could miss the streets entirely if more public bins were installed. And neighbourhoods would improve if people were a bit more minded to help a little with cleanup and prevention.


NT

Mr Pounder wrote:
"Graham." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:18:46 -0000, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.

That isn't adequate when you're using it all day. We have 800W
inverters in the van with aux batteries and charge everything
that way. Bill

I used to charge my drill up in Travelodges etc.
It was one hell of a drill; cost £360 in 1999.
It had all these lights and things.
Then, they took it off me :-(


Ah, Travelodge. Isn't that the hotel where breakfast is a a
croissant in a paper bag dumped outside your door?

Class.

I really would not know. I was always away in the early hours of the
morning.

I am with you on this one.

My digs in London costs me £20 a night. It's local to where I am working and
the £20 gets me a clean bed and shared bathrooms. You have to supply your
own toilet roll/soap/breakfast etc.

But as I am at work and not on holiday it does not matter.

I prefer to crash on site with a sleeping bag and air bed.


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Adam

On 02/11/2012 19:43, wrote:


I certainly wouldn't blame councils for not employing more cleaners,
the last thing I want is to pay even more taxes.

People who put rubbish there are 99% to blame. But a lot of the
street rubbish could miss the streets entirely if more public bins
were installed. And neighbourhoods would improve if people were a bit
more minded to help a little with cleanup and prevention.


NT

I agree - stop it before it hits the streets.

Wasn't really blaming the councils for not taking more tax to pay more
cleaners - rather deflecting the criticism from a group of people who
seem to me to work pretty hard and suggesting that other people be
considered as targets.

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Rod

In article ,
wrote:
People who put rubbish there are 99% to blame. But a lot of the street
rubbish could miss the streets entirely if more public bins were
installed. And neighbourhoods would improve if people were a bit more
minded to help a little with cleanup and prevention.

Quite - although IIRC bins were removed from many public places since they
are a good place to hide a bomb.

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