The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100% elecric
drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane" engine" - some
cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he invented it. He
never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car so nearly always
runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny. A dissapointing 67mpg
(US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/


"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Andy

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be 67
miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is small
and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the car
greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it and it is
quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric transmission - no silly
gearbox.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right. While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further R&d
will get it more efficient.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But Luddite
knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/


"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be 67
miles per car.

The same wiki stupidly says "The basic concept is very similar to the Wankel
engine" It is nothing like a Wankel engine.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Jan 27, 6:46*pm, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100% elecric
drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane" engine" - some
cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he invented it. *He
never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car so nearly always
runs on the engine. *The engine only turns a genny. *A dissapointing 67mpg
(US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...MYT_engine_des...

Does this mean you have given up hope of the delivery of your Steorn
perpetual motion electrickery generator?

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...b8f206 57f2c7

On Jan 28, 12:18*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
* *Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
* Doctor Drivel wrote:
I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?
You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. *But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.


NT

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it and
it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric transmission -
no silly gearbox.

You still haven't worked out that if the engine charges the battery that
having a bigger battery makes mpg less?
Big batteries only make more mpg if you start with them charged and don't
use the engine until they are flat.
Then you finish the test and claim really good mpg.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right.

So it hasn't been tested yet.

While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further R&d
will get it more efficient.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he
invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car
so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny. A
dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque
book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK, I "think"

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...


"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it
and it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric
transmission - no silly gearbox.

Dennis now interjects. Thank You Dennis......

You still haven't worked out that if the engine charges the battery that
having a bigger battery makes mpg less?
Big batteries only make more mpg if you start with them charged and don't
use the engine until they are flat.
Then you finish the test and claim really good mpg.

This car has only a range of 2 km on battery. The batteries in hybrids claw
back kinetic braking energy, and also take charge for surplus power. That is
the Prius can get 75mpg. Those chargeable from the mains as well can get
more mpg of course, and overall cheaper running.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right.

So it hasn't been tested yet.

It has - even Putin drove it. They are arranging manufacturing. They took
order a few weeks back and got 55,000 immediately. They only planned 50,000
in the first year. They can get production up fast because thee battery is
small. The problem with hybrids and EVs is getting the batteries.

Thank you Dennis for your valuable input.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

Knob, you are jealous of my Prius. The next may be the Ampera or this little
Yo-Mobile beauty. Watch this space....-----" "

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

Only the Wankel ever got into serious production. All others were appalling
reciprocating piston engines. That makes two.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today.

Which shows how good the design is.

The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

The Prius zips along, very smooooooooooooooooooth.

"NT" wrote in message
...
On Jan 28, 12:18 am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?
You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine
doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels.

"Onetap" wrote in message
...
On Jan 27, 6:46 pm, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric
drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane" engine" - some
cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he invented it.
He
never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car so nearly always
runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny. A dissapointing 67mpg
(US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...MYT_engine_des...

Does this mean you have given up hope of the delivery of your Steorn
perpetual motion electrickery generator?

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...b8f206 57f2c7
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

You are clearly a confused knob - who cannot read either. Sad but true.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque
book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK, I "think"

Some reports say 4 litres per 100 km, which is 71 mpg imp. Getting better.
One version also can run on natural gas and petrol.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

The engine is tiny to the equiv dinosaur engine we have now, for the same
output. Also this give a better torque curve, having more power pulses per
revolution. It uses far fewer parts as well, so cheaper and easier to make.

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...arison_300.jpg

"Doctor Drivel" wrote:
[snip]
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK,

Downhill with the engine switched off?

I "think"

There's no evidence for that, or any of your other stupid claims. You
really are the snake-oil salesman's favourite fall guy.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:
[snip]
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK,

A knob interjects.....

Downhill with the engine switched off?

I "think"

There's no evidence for that,

You are a known knob. The claims are for 71mpg imp, but yet fully tested.
Please continue with your knobness.

In article
,
NT wrote:
BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on
the market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over
three times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.

It is in a very basic car as used to be made. But these days crash
regulations etc have made cars much larger and heavier. Many *say* they'd
love such a basic car again - but when they are produced no-one buys
them...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

Knob, you are jealous of my Prius.

I'm jealous of all your imaginary friends too.

The next may be the Ampera or this
little Yo-Mobile beauty. Watch this space....-----" "

Strange the way you lump every single electric or hybrid vehicle together.
Is it because you don't have a driving licence so do it all from an
armchair?

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver.
History is littered with them.

Only the Wankel ever got into serious production. All others were
appalling reciprocating piston engines. That makes two.

And the company who first used the Wankle went bankrupt. Mazda still
produce one for an exotic sports car. But not for anything else. Despite
many years of development. This would tell anyone with half a brain
something.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on
the market today.

Which shows how good the design is.

Only in your little world.


The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

The Prius zips along, very smooooooooooooooooooth.

More proof you've never been in one - let alone driven it. Even the latest
one is still hard work on the motorway compared to other similar sized
cars which are cheaper. And stupidly large for a town car in the UK.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine
doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels.

In your world that 40 bhp is somehow increased by driving an electric
motor? Only you could believe this.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver.
History is littered with them.

The engine is tiny to the equiv dinosaur engine we have now, for the
same output.

As it would need to be to make room for all the other gubbins like
batteries, etc.

Also this give a better torque curve, having more power
pulses per revolution.

So we can add torque to the thinks you don't understand?

It uses far fewer parts as well, so cheaper and
easier to make.

Well yes. The only reason for its existence. Cheap. There are no others.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

Knob, you are jealous of my Prius.

I'm jealous of all your imaginary friends too.

Knob, jealousy is rife with you.

The next may be the Ampera or this
little Yo-Mobile beauty. Watch this space....-----" "

Strange the way you lump every single electric or hybrid vehicle together.
Is it because you don't have a driving licence so do it all from an
armchair?

Watch the space above.

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver.
History is littered with them.

Only the Wankel ever got into serious production. All others were
appalling reciprocating piston engines. That makes two.

And the company who first used the Wankle

You wrote, can you remember that far back? "they're just one of many over
the years"
Only two types have been made.

snip drivel

The Prius zips along, very smooooooooooooooooooth.

More proof

The Prius zips along, very smooooooooooooooooooth.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver.
History is littered with them.

The engine is tiny to the equiv dinosaur engine we have now, for the
same output.

As it would need to be to make room for all the other gubbins like
batteries, etc.

Again.."The engine is tiny to the equiv dinosaur engine we have now, for the
same output."

Also this give a better torque curve, having more power
pulses per revolution.

So we can add torque to the thinks you don't understand?

Knob, again..."Also this give a better torque curve, having more power
pulses per revolution."

snip drivel

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on
the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine
doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels.

In your world that 40 bhp is somehow increased by driving an electric
motor? Only you could believe this.

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of
the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels."

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
In your world that 40 bhp is somehow increased by driving an electric
motor? Only you could believe this.

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So that 40 bhp is somehow increased? Please explain how. It should be fun.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
In your world that 40 bhp is somehow increased by driving an electric
motor? Only you could believe this.

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So that 40 bhp is somehow increased?

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of
the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels."

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So that 40 bhp is somehow increased?

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT?

Still waiting for you to explain how this puny power output is magically
changed into something adequate for UK roads.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So that 40 bhp is somehow increased?

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT?

No. There is NO mechanical linkage.

Still waiting for you to explain how this puny power output is magically
changed into something adequate for UK roads.

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of
the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels."

Understand how genny engines are setup to their constant speed "sweet spot"
and the control mechanism to ensure output from the genny to suit the load.
Alas no doubt you will not understand it. Sad but true.

On 28/01/2012 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
...
BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

My 1959 Triumph Herald Coupe had more than that. Given a favourable
wind, it would eventually achieve 60mph.

Colin Bignell

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT?

No. There is NO mechanical linkage.

So? But I suppose you think a generator/control/battery/motor combination
100% efficent?

Still waiting for you to explain how this puny power output is
magically changed into something adequate for UK roads.

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

Understand how genny engines are setup to their constant speed "sweet
spot" and the control mechanism to ensure output from the genny to suit
the load. Alas no doubt you will not understand it. Sad but true.

You'll be like those who think a 500 watt genny can be used to boil a 3kW
kettle. It's all just electricity, after all. And everyone knows you can
plug anything into that and it works.

You get worse by the post.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT?

No. There is NO mechanical linkage.

So? But I suppose you think a generator/control/battery/motor combination
100% efficent?

You really do not know. This is a brand new "new design" engine tweaked to
suit.

Still waiting for you to explain how this puny power output is
magically changed into something adequate for UK roads.

Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

Understand how genny engines are setup to their constant speed "sweet
spot" and the control mechanism to ensure output from the genny to suit
the load. Alas no doubt you will not understand it. Sad but true.

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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT?

No. There is NO mechanical linkage.

So? But I suppose you think a generator/control/battery/motor combination
100% efficent?

You really do not know. This is a brand new "new design" engine tweaked
to suit.

So new, in fact, that people have been trying and failing to get engines
of that design to work reliably since 1910.

The fact remains that if your engine generates 40 horsepower, you
*cannot*, on average, get more than that out of the other end of
whatever means is used to transmit that power to the wheels. You *can*
get a higher peak power if you use a battery as a reserve power source.
Of course, to recharge the battery, you need to take some of the power
from the engine, reducing the power available at the wheels for normal
running. So, you can accelerate quickly up to a steady speed, but that
speed is less than it would be if the vehicle were directly powered by
the engine without the complication of the batteries (Parasitic weight,
which also makes it harder to accelerate, and needing 15 kilowatt-hours
to replace the 10 kilowatt-hours you've just extracted.), control gear
(Which alway wastes some power), the generator and motor combination,
which in these sizes is less efficient and heavier than a normal gearbox
and transmission.

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"Nightjar" wrote in message
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On 28/01/2012 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

My 1959 Triumph Herald Coupe had more than that. Given a favourable wind,
it would eventually achieve 60mph.

Colin Bignell

The Prius does 100mph. This run-about Yo-Mobile will do 80ish. They do plan
a larger people carrier version. No doubt with a larger output engine and
electric motors. Tkime move on from the Herald.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
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So new, in fact, that people have been trying and failing to get engines
of that design to work reliably since 1910.

But this is the first into mass production, so new. BSA desiged one in the
1950s.

The fact remains that if your engine generates 40 horsepower, you
*cannot*, on average, get more than that out of the other end of whatever
means is used to transmit that power to the wheels.

It is not my engine - I wish it was.

You *can* get a higher peak power if you use a battery as a reserve power
source.

That they are doing. And using supercapacitors to clawback kinetic braking
energy.

Of course, to recharge the battery, you need to take some of the power
from the engine, reducing the power available at the wheels for normal
running.

There is always a point where there is surplus power and the batteries can
be charged. The batteries and the motor can both feed of the genny at the
same time. The management system just increases fuel to the engine to cope
with both. Also kinetic energy reclaim.

You are forgetting this is not an engine as you know it.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:32:53 +0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:
Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The
speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving
wheels."

Is it all electrically geared up, using supercapacitors?

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
My 1959 Triumph Herald Coupe had more than that. Given a favourable wind,
it would eventually achieve 60mph.

Colin Bignell

The Prius does 100mph.

Given the petrol engine has an output of 145 bhp, I'd hope so.

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In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
There is always a point where there is surplus power and the batteries
can be charged.

Always? No point in having such a powerful engine, then.

The batteries and the motor can both feed of the genny at the same
time. The management system just increases fuel to the engine to cope
with both.

All this from just 40 bhp. Why does the Prius (hardly a fast vehicle) need
over 3 time this?

Also kinetic energy reclaim.

Is that through kicking it to get it going?

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In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
You really do not know. This is a brand new "new design" engine
tweaked to suit.

So new, in fact, that people have been trying and failing to get engines
of that design to work reliably since 1910.

Indeed. Nothing new under the sun. The laugh is it takes idiots like
dribble to believe such claims for a 'new' design. History is littered
with them. Orbital, anyone?

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