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"dennis@home" wrote in message eb.com... it doesn't matter how powerful the engine is as long as its more than the average for the journey. The power to accelerate doesn't come from the engine, it comes from the battery. You can accelerate as fast as the battery and electric motors allow. As long as you don't do it too often and flatten the battery, then you would find it hard going. If the battery is depleted somewhat after acceleration the engine provides power to the electric drive motors and to top up the batteries very efficiently as the engine will be running at its most efficient while doing so, unlike a directly mechanically coupled engine to wheels setup via an inefficient and power sapping transmission. Constantly varying the speed of an engine from near zero revs to near maximum is highly inefficient. A largish car doing 70mph only uses about 20-30% of the power of the engine. Most of the time a car's engines is way oversized and carrying all that surplus weight. The surplus power is for acceleration. Electric drive and kinetic brake recovery using supercapacitors and a decent battery set can mean engines are much smaller. Having range extenders means the engine can be built light, small and optimised to run at its sweet revving spot. |
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On Jan 29, 6:10*am, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "dennis@home" wrote in message eb.com... it doesn't matter how powerful the engine is as long as its more than the average for the journey. The power to accelerate doesn't come from the engine, it comes from the battery. You can accelerate as fast as the battery and electric motors allow. As long as you don't do it too often and flatten the battery, then you would find it hard going. If the battery is depleted somewhat after acceleration the engine provides power to the electric drive motors and to top up the batteries very efficiently as the engine will be running at its most efficient while doing so, unlike a directly mechanically coupled engine to wheels setup via an inefficient and power sapping transmission. *Constantly varying the speed of an engine from near zero revs to near maximum is highly inefficient. A largish car doing 70mph only uses about 20-30% of the power of the engine. Most of the time a car's engines is way oversized and carrying all that surplus weight. The surplus power is for acceleration. *Electric drive and kinetic brake recovery using supercapacitors and a decent battery set can mean engines are much smaller. *Having range extenders means the engine can be built light, small and optimised to run at its sweet revving spot. An engine with given power rating only produces that power at one engine speed, at other speeds it outputs much less. So a car with a continuously variable drive ratio drive can get significantly more acceleration from a given engine power. NT |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: "dennis@home" wrote in message eb.com... it doesn't matter how powerful the engine is as long as its more than the average for the journey. The power to accelerate doesn't come from the engine, it comes from the battery. You can accelerate as fast as the battery and electric motors allow. As long as you don't do it too often and flatten the battery, then you would find it hard going. If the battery is depleted somewhat after acceleration the engine provides power to the electric drive motors and to top up the batteries very efficiently as the engine will be running at its most efficient while doing so, All this from 40 bhp? unlike a directly mechanically coupled engine to wheels setup via an inefficient and power sapping transmission. Constantly varying the speed of an engine from near zero revs to near maximum is highly inefficient. Depends on the design of the engine. But 'your' one will be running at peak revs to develop that 40 bhp. And what it can't do is charge the battery while producing that 40 bhp to power the car along. Regardless of what you think. As usual, you're incapable of doing simple arithmetic. A largish car doing 70mph only uses about 20-30% of the power of the engine. Most of the time a car's engines is way oversized and carrying all that surplus weight. The surplus power is for acceleration. Electric drive and kinetic brake recovery using supercapacitors and a decent battery set can mean engines are much smaller. Having range extenders means the engine can be built light, small and optimised to run at its sweet revving spot. So this car you're raving about uses super capacitors? Bit of a first for a low priced vehicle. BTW, you might ponder on why the Prius has had its engine power output increased by 50% over the years. And still has poor (for its size and price) performance on the open road. -- *If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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, NT wrote: An engine with given power rating only produces that power at one engine speed, at other speeds it outputs much less. So a car with a continuously variable drive ratio drive can get significantly more acceleration from a given engine power. Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. -- *The modem is the message * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:40:29 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: Thank you knob. I've no doubt you thank your knob on a daily basis. |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:41:09 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: snip drivel If only someone had snipped Drivel Snr. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. Generators? |
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On Jan 29, 10:21*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , * *NT wrote: An engine with given power rating only produces that power at one engine speed, at other speeds it outputs much less. So a car with a continuously variable drive ratio drive can get significantly more acceleration from a given engine power. Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. When it comes to acceleration, power output is, not torque. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. Depends how literally you take that. Keeping engine at max power output and varying gear ratio gets you a lot more acceleration than a conventional drive system. That's the big advantage of variable gearing. NT |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:17:40 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
If the battery is depleted somewhat after acceleration the engine provides power to the electric drive motors and to top up the batteries very efficiently as the engine will be running at its most efficient while doing so, All this from 40 bhp? The horses in Drivel's head are bigger than everyone else's. |
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On 28/01/2012 08:35, Doctor Drivel wrote:
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK, I "think" You want to try that conversion again? Andy |
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On 29/01/2012 15:20, NT wrote:
On Jan 29, 10:21 am, "Dave Plowman wrote: In article , wrote: An engine with given power rating only produces that power at one engine speed, at other speeds it outputs much less. So a car with a continuously variable drive ratio drive can get significantly more acceleration from a given engine power. Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. When it comes to acceleration, power output is, not torque. Not just me scratching my head there then. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. Depends how literally you take that. Keeping engine at max power output and varying gear ratio gets you a lot more acceleration than a conventional drive system. That's the big advantage of variable gearing. Yes but... It's unlikely you need max power all the time. Max power is what I'll use for climbing Shap Summit, or more likely one of the passes in the Alps, which has a long climb at high speed - long enough to empty the batteries. Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. Andy |
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On Jan 29, 5:45*pm, Andy Champ wrote:
On 29/01/2012 15:20, NT wrote: On Jan 29, 10:21 am, "Dave Plowman wrote: In article , * * *wrote: An engine with given power rating only produces that power at one engine speed, at other speeds it outputs much less. So a car with a continuously variable drive ratio drive can get significantly more acceleration from a given engine power. Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. When it comes to acceleration, power output is, not torque. Not just me scratching my head there then. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. Depends how literally you take that. Keeping engine at max power output and varying gear ratio gets you a lot more acceleration than a conventional drive system. That's the big advantage of variable gearing. Yes but... It's unlikely you need max power all the time. *Max power is what I'll use for climbing Shap Summit, or more likely one of the passes in the Alps, which has a long climb at high speed - long enough to empty the batteries. Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. *Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. *Repeat until journey's end. Andy Yes, plus with a 40hp engine it'll run flat out more or less whenever you're accelerating in normal driving. Also I doubt too many small batteries can take a P_in of 30kW, so the engine will run at much reduced speed when recharging too. NT |
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dennis@home wrote: Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. Generators? As I said, horribly inefficient. -- *Middle age is when it takes longer to rest than to get tired. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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, NT wrote: Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. When it comes to acceleration, power output is, not torque. Eh? It's the exact reverse. -- *If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , NT wrote: An engine with given power rating only produces that power at one engine speed, at other speeds it outputs much less. So a car with a continuously variable drive ratio drive can get significantly more acceleration from a given engine power. Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. You know sweet FA about generators then. |
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"Jules Richardson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:17:40 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: If the battery is depleted somewhat after acceleration the engine provides power to the electric drive motors and to top up the batteries very efficiently as the engine will be running at its most efficient while doing so, All this from 40 bhp? The horses in Drivel's head are bigger than everyone else's. You are a knob! |
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On 28/01/2012 19:18, dennis@home wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message ... The laws of physics don't and the fact remains that anything with that little power is going to be horrendously slow when you really don't want it to be - like turning out of a side road onto a fast main road. I know its hard to believe but drivel actually has a bit of this correct.. it doesn't matter how powerful the engine is as long as its more than the average for the journey.The power to accelerate doesn't come from the engine, it comes from the battery. You can accelerate as fast as the battery and electric motors allow. As long as you don't do it too often and flatten the battery, then you would find it hard going. OK, if you prefer, unless the manufacturers have fitted a battery and motor that are disproportionately large for the engine, a vehicle with that little power is going to be horrendously slow. Actually, I have found a set of specifications for the car, where it is suggested that the engine will be 60bhp, rather than 40bhp. Even that will only get it a 0-62mph of a rather leisurely 12 seconds. Colin Bignell |
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On 28/01/2012 21:36, Doctor Drivel wrote:
.... You must read what I wrote. It is easier that way. I always do. It is usually good for a laugh. Colin Bignell |
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On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote:
.... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar wrote:
On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote: ... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. far from true. diesels best at very low power levels 10-20% - unless they are designed not to be of course.... in fact you can design the engine to be best at almost any level, and people do... because 'full power' is a moveable feast Colin Bignell |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , NT wrote: Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. When it comes to acceleration, power output is, not torque. Eh? It's the exact reverse. well its actually both since torque times revs IS power.. |
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On Jan 29, 6:42*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , * *NT wrote: Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. When it comes to acceleration, power output is, not torque. Eh? It's the exact reverse. Lets see with a simple example, of a car doing M mph. Compare Engine at speed S with torque T, so P_out TxS with same engine at speed 2S and torque 0.8T, P_out is now 1.6TxS. In the 2nd scenario, the gear ratio from engine to wheels is a factor of 2 different, so engine torque is only 80% as much, but torque at the wheels is 1.6x as much. NT |
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On 30/01/2012 00:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Nightjar wrote: On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote: ... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. far from true. diesels best at very low power levels 10-20% - unless they are designed not to be of course.... in fact you can design the engine to be best at almost any level, and people do... because 'full power' is a moveable feast So is the term diesel engine, but in the context of this thread, references ought be to the sort that is likely to be fitted into a motor vehicle, not that there has been any suggestion that the Yo-Mobile is going to have a diesel engine. In any case, running at full throttle is not the answer for best economy, so the useful engine output will still be less than the maximum engine power, if they are going for best economy. Colin Bignell |
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On 28/01/2012 12:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In , Doctor wrote: Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels." So that 40 bhp is somehow increased? Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels." So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT? Oh go on, get him prattling about the Prius' CVT and how it hasn't got one even though the gearing between engine and wheel speed is not fixed and continuously variable ;-) Still waiting for you to explain how this puny power output is magically changed into something adequate for UK roads. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 28/01/2012 22:42, Doctor Drivel wrote:
dennis@home wrote: "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "dennis@home" wrote in message eb.com... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... Again....."No. And they pollute like hell in cities, whereas the Prius does not." Eagerly awaited, Dennis joins in....... How far can a prius go without running the petrol engine? 4 miles. So you can commute for a whole two miles Dennis, it says four above. But the Volt can do 60 miles. Yes, sorry dribble, he forgot your mathematical problem. Most folks who commute need to come home again at the end of the day - else it would not be commuting - more like going and staying. So if you can go a total of 4 miles you need to divide that by two to work out the maximum commute. If you will pardon some tricky sums: 4 / 2 = 2 (don't worry if you don't understand the math - just take it from us, we won't be asking questions later) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 28/01/2012 19:18, dennis@home wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message ... The laws of physics don't and the fact remains that anything with that little power is going to be horrendously slow when you really don't want it to be - like turning out of a side road onto a fast main road. I know its hard to believe but drivel actually has a bit of this correct.. it doesn't matter how powerful the engine is as long as its more than the average for the journey. The power to accelerate doesn't come from the engine, it comes from the battery. You can accelerate as fast as the battery and electric motors allow. As long as you don't do it too often and flatten the battery, then you would find it hard going. Probably best to avoid hills... or passengers... or putting stuff in the boot... or towing anything... as well -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message o.uk... On 28/01/2012 12:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In , Doctor wrote: Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels." So that 40 bhp is somehow increased? Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels." So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT? Oh go on, get him prattling about the Prius' CVT and how it hasn't got one even though the gearing between engine and wheel speed is not fixed and continuously variable ;-) The Prius has no "in-line" CVT. IT is parallel between electric motor and the engine. If you can't figure this out then just accept it - it is easier that way fro for. |
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"Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote: ... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. This Yo-Mobile engine not like any other engine you have known, it is a "rotary vane engine". It is also tuned to turn a genny. |
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"Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 28/01/2012 21:36, Doctor Drivel wrote: ... You must read what I wrote. It is easier that way. I always do. It is usually good for a laugh. That is good. You do need to have fun. |
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On 30/01/2012 04:10, Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote: ... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. This Yo-Mobile engine not like any other engine you have known, it is a "rotary vane engine". It is also tuned to turn a genny. Despite the claims, it is not a new concept, merely a new version of an old idea. A major problem in the past has always been vibration, due to the variable rotational speed of the vanes. Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar wrote:
On 30/01/2012 04:10, Doctor Drivel wrote: "Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote: ... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. This Yo-Mobile engine not like any other engine you have known, it is a "rotary vane engine". It is also tuned to turn a genny. Despite the claims, it is not a new concept, The point is that it is very different to current engines, yet you are prattling about current tripe. merely a new version of an old idea. A major problem in the past has always been vibration, due to the variable rotational speed of the vanes. It appears the Ruskies have got around that - clever people. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. The idea of running any internal combustion engine at a steady speed regardless of load is a nonsense. You know sweet FA about generators then. Au contraire, pet. An internal combustion engine driving a generator at low load is desperately inefficient. If you'd half a brain cell you'd know why. -- *With her marriage she got a new name and a dress.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Nightjar wrote: On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote: ... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. Maximum BMEP, which is usually close to peak torque. -- *Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , NT wrote: Power is, of course, a function of torque and engine speed. It's the torque which is the important one. When it comes to acceleration, power output is, not torque. Eh? It's the exact reverse. well its actually both since torque times revs IS power.. BHP, you mean. And peak BHP hardly ever coincides with peak torque. And it's at peak torque that you get the best acceleration. -- *Born free - taxed to death * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: The Prius has no "in-line" CVT. IT is parallel between electric motor and the engine. If you can't figure this out then just accept it - it is easier that way fro for. The gearing between the electric motor and petrol one is not fixed relative to the rear wheels. So it has a form of continuously variable gearbox to drive them. That it is basically just a differential drive makes no difference to this fact. But of course you are so steeped in reading adverts, you'd not know this. -- *Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: This Yo-Mobile engine not like any other engine you have known, it is a "rotary vane engine". It is also tuned to turn a genny. Ye canna change the laws of physics, capt'n. -- *The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: Despite the claims, it is not a new concept, The point is that it is very different to current engines, yet you are prattling about current tripe. merely a new version of an old idea. A major problem in the past has always been vibration, due to the variable rotational speed of the vanes. It appears the Ruskies have got around that - clever people. NSU thought they had got round the problem of rotor seals wearing out on their rotary engine too. The fundamental problem with that type of engine. So they went into production and warranty claims bankrupted them. The same will happen here - if they ever go into production, which they haven't yet. You really are the most gullible of fools. -- *How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 30/01/2012 03:38, Doctor Drivel wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message o.uk... On 28/01/2012 12:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In , Doctor wrote: Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels." So that 40 bhp is somehow increased? Knob, again..."The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels." So just the same as many automatic gearboxes? Like a CVT? Oh go on, get him prattling about the Prius' CVT and how it hasn't got one even though the gearing between engine and wheel speed is not fixed and continuously variable ;-) The Prius has no "in-line" CVT. IT is parallel between electric motor and the engine. If you can't figure this out then just accept it - it is easier that way fro for. Ah bless, you hardly even need bait. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Russian Revolutionary Hybrid car
On 30/01/2012 10:52, Doctor Drivel wrote:
Nightjar wrote: On 30/01/2012 04:10, Doctor Drivel wrote: "Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 29/01/2012 17:45, Andy Champ wrote: ... Most of the time the IC engine will be running at a lower, more economical setting. Which is probably wide-open throttle, peak torque until the battery is full - then stopped for a bit. Repeat until journey's end. The most economic setting for any IC engine is usually in the range 65%-75% of maximum power. This Yo-Mobile engine not like any other engine you have known, it is a "rotary vane engine". It is also tuned to turn a genny. Despite the claims, it is not a new concept, The point is that it is very different to current engines, yet you are prattling about current tripe. They all use the same laws of thermodynamics. merely a new version of an old idea. A major problem in the past has always been vibration, due to the variable rotational speed of the vanes. It appears the Ruskies have got around that - clever people. We won't know whether they have solved the problem until the cars start appearing on the market. The simplest answer is a multi stage engine, where the vibrations from one set of vanes cancel out the vibrations of another. However, that can still lead to excessive component wear. Colin Bignell |
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