The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100% elecric
drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane" engine" - some
cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he invented it. He
never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car so nearly always
runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny. A dissapointing 67mpg
(US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/


"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Andy

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be 67
miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is small
and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the car
greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it and it is
quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric transmission - no silly
gearbox.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right. While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further R&d
will get it more efficient.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it and
it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric transmission -
no silly gearbox.

You still haven't worked out that if the engine charges the battery that
having a bigger battery makes mpg less?
Big batteries only make more mpg if you start with them charged and don't
use the engine until they are flat.
Then you finish the test and claim really good mpg.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right.

So it hasn't been tested yet.

While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further R&d
will get it more efficient.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...


"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it
and it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric
transmission - no silly gearbox.

Dennis now interjects. Thank You Dennis......

You still haven't worked out that if the engine charges the battery that
having a bigger battery makes mpg less?
Big batteries only make more mpg if you start with them charged and don't
use the engine until they are flat.
Then you finish the test and claim really good mpg.

This car has only a range of 2 km on battery. The batteries in hybrids claw
back kinetic braking energy, and also take charge for surplus power. That is
the Prius can get 75mpg. Those chargeable from the mains as well can get
more mpg of course, and overall cheaper running.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right.

So it hasn't been tested yet.

It has - even Putin drove it. They are arranging manufacturing. They took
order a few weeks back and got 55,000 immediately. They only planned 50,000
in the first year. They can get production up fast because thee battery is
small. The problem with hybrids and EVs is getting the batteries.

Thank you Dennis for your valuable input.

On 27/01/2012 23:47, Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/


"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it
and it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric
transmission - no silly gearbox.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right. While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further
R&d will get it more efficient.


It will be the first Russian car to have ever been designed right...
Having owned two Ladas in my poorer days...

--
Kev


Be who you are and say what you feel because those
who mind don't matter and those who matter don't
mind.

- Dr. Seuss

"Ret." wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 23:47, Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/


"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it
and it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric
transmission - no silly gearbox.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right. While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further
R&d will get it more efficient.

It will be the first Russian car to have ever been designed right...
Having owned two Ladas in my poorer days...

Lada was a Fiat 124. The ruskies have made decent cars but they were not
available here. I believe it will be made in Germany as well.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:41:36 +0000, "Ret."
wrote:

It will be the first Russian car to have ever been designed right...
Having owned two Ladas in my poorer days...

Oi, don't diss the mighty Lada.
My mate had a Moskvich - in remarkable condition, it was, which was
hardly surprising as it never went anywhere. He bought it for 90quid
and sold it for 190. I was amazed at the number of eejits out there,
as the phone rang for a week.

wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:41:36 +0000, "Ret."
wrote:

It will be the first Russian car to have ever been designed right...
Having owned two Ladas in my poorer days...

Oi, don't diss the mighty Lada.
My mate had a Moskvich - in remarkable condition, it was, which was
hardly surprising as it never went anywhere. He bought it for 90quid
and sold it for 190. I was amazed at the number of eejits out there,
as the phone rang for a week.

The Moskvich engines was a direct copy of a BMW engine with interchangeable
parts. Great car! Very distinctive. Better than an Austin Lemonhundred.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:41:36 +0000, "Ret."
wrote:

It will be the first Russian car to have ever been designed right...
Having owned two Ladas in my poorer days...

Oi, don't diss the mighty Lada.
My mate had a Moskvich - in remarkable condition, it was, which was
hardly surprising as it never went anywhere. He bought it for 90quid
and sold it for 190. I was amazed at the number of eejits out there,
as the phone rang for a week.

Some idiot in Coventry had one of those, you could smell it about a mile
before you caught up.

On Jan 28, 5:41*pm, "Ret." wrote:
On 27/01/2012 23:47, Doctor Drivel wrote:





"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...MYT_engine_des....

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it
and it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric
transmission - no silly gearbox.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right. While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further
R&d will get it more efficient.

It will be the first Russian car to have ever been designed right...
Having owned two Ladas in my poorer days...

Ladas aren't a russian design, theyre simply Fiat 124s from the 1960s.
And despite all the rubbish spoken about them, theyre an ok no frills
car. Vehicle design has moved on for sure, they were fairly good in
their day, now they're just an almost half century old design that's
still being made, and the lack of ongoing development gives them a
correspondingly low price.


NT

On 30/01/2012 20:20, NT wrote:
On Jan 28, 5:41 pm, wrote:
On 27/01/2012 23:47, Doctor Drivel wrote:





"Andy wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...MYT_engine_des...

"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be
67 miles per car.

Do not go on wikipedia - people make it up there. It is 15 kilos (the
weight of the engine) for 30 kilowatts output. 1/4 to 1/3 the size and
weight of an normal engine. Amazing power/weight ratio. The battery is
small and only gives 2 km range. A bigger battery would have given the
car greater mpg. BTW, it is about 75mpg UK. Nothing comes close to it
and it is quiet and a dream to drive with a seamless electric
transmission - no silly gearbox.

This is a breakthrough. It only took Russian engineers 6 months get the
design right. While everyone else is looking at their navels. Further
R&d will get it more efficient.

It will be the first Russian car to have ever been designed right...
Having owned two Ladas in my poorer days...

Ladas aren't a russian design, theyre simply Fiat 124s from the 1960s.
And despite all the rubbish spoken about them, theyre an ok no frills
car. Vehicle design has moved on for sure, they were fairly good in
their day, now they're just an almost half century old design that's
still being made, and the lack of ongoing development gives them a
correspondingly low price.


Have you actually had one and compared it to a Fiat 124?

Yes the bodyshell is the same but that's about it. The front suspension
is completely different as is the engine and gearbox.

It's easier to list the things that are the same rather than the
differences.

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 27/01/2012 18:46, Doctor Drivel wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my
cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/


"it has been said that the swing-piston design combines all the
disadvantages of the rotary with all the disadvantages of the
reciprocating." (Wikipedia) If there's any truth in it take that to be 67
miles per car.

The same wiki stupidly says "The basic concept is very similar to the Wankel
engine" It is nothing like a Wankel engine.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But Luddite
knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Jan 28, 12:18*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
* *Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
* Doctor Drivel wrote:
I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?
You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. *But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.


NT

"NT" wrote in message
...
On Jan 28, 12:18 am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?
You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

The Yo-Mobile is driven 100% by electric motors. The speed of the engine
doesn't have to fully correlate with the driving wheels.

In article
,
NT wrote:
BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on
the market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over
three times that as well as a larger battery pack.

40hp is quite drivable in the average car, but it does mean digital
driving, ie throttle at 0 or 100% most of the time. Its been decades
since mainstream cars were like that here, but they still are in many
countries.

It is in a very basic car as used to be made. But these days crash
regulations etc have made cars much larger and heavier. Many *say* they'd
love such a basic car again - but when they are produced no-one buys
them...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

Prius broken again, then?

You are a knobhead. The Prius is the world's most reliable car. But
Luddite knobheads wouldn't know that or what a rotary vane engine is.

It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

Knob, you are jealous of my Prius. The next may be the Ampera or this little
Yo-Mobile beauty. Watch this space....-----" "

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

Only the Wankel ever got into serious production. All others were appalling
reciprocating piston engines. That makes two.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today.

Which shows how good the design is.

The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

The Prius zips along, very smooooooooooooooooooth.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
It hasn't occurred to you you've just confirmed you were lying when
claiming to own a Prius? Not that anyone was in much doubt about that
anyway.

Knob, you are jealous of my Prius.

I'm jealous of all your imaginary friends too.

The next may be the Ampera or this
little Yo-Mobile beauty. Watch this space....-----" "

Strange the way you lump every single electric or hybrid vehicle together.
Is it because you don't have a driving licence so do it all from an
armchair?

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver.
History is littered with them.

Only the Wankel ever got into serious production. All others were
appalling reciprocating piston engines. That makes two.

And the company who first used the Wankle went bankrupt. Mazda still
produce one for an exotic sports car. But not for anything else. Despite
many years of development. This would tell anyone with half a brain
something.

BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on
the market today.

Which shows how good the design is.

Only in your little world.


The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

The Prius zips along, very smooooooooooooooooooth.

More proof you've never been in one - let alone driven it. Even the latest
one is still hard work on the motorway compared to other similar sized
cars which are cheaper. And stupidly large for a town car in the UK.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver. History is
littered with them.

The engine is tiny to the equiv dinosaur engine we have now, for the same
output. Also this give a better torque curve, having more power pulses per
revolution. It uses far fewer parts as well, so cheaper and easier to make.

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...arison_300.jpg

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
As regards thar weird and wonderful 'new' engines, they're just one of
many over the years which are hyped - but then fail to deliver.
History is littered with them.

The engine is tiny to the equiv dinosaur engine we have now, for the
same output.

As it would need to be to make room for all the other gubbins like
batteries, etc.

Also this give a better torque curve, having more power
pulses per revolution.

So we can add torque to the thinks you don't understand?

It uses far fewer parts as well, so cheaper and
easier to make.

Well yes. The only reason for its existence. Cheap. There are no others.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 28/01/2012 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
...
BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

My 1959 Triumph Herald Coupe had more than that. Given a favourable
wind, it would eventually achieve 60mph.

Colin Bignell

"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 28/01/2012 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
..
BTW, 30 kW is approx 40 bhp. Which is less than virtually any car on the
market today. The Prius which is a dog performance wise has over three
times that as well as a larger battery pack.

My 1959 Triumph Herald Coupe had more than that. Given a favourable wind,
it would eventually achieve 60mph.

Colin Bignell

The Prius does 100mph. This run-about Yo-Mobile will do 80ish. They do plan
a larger people carrier version. No doubt with a larger output engine and
electric motors. Tkime move on from the Herald.

On Jan 27, 6:46*pm, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100% elecric
drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane" engine" - some
cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he invented it. *He
never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car so nearly always
runs on the engine. *The engine only turns a genny. *A dissapointing 67mpg
(US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...MYT_engine_des...

Does this mean you have given up hope of the delivery of your Steorn
perpetual motion electrickery generator?

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...b8f206 57f2c7

"Onetap" wrote in message
...
On Jan 27, 6:46 pm, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric
drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane" engine" - some
cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he invented it.
He
never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car so nearly always
runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny. A dissapointing 67mpg
(US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...MYT_engine_des...

Does this mean you have given up hope of the delivery of your Steorn
perpetual motion electrickery generator?

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...b8f206 57f2c7
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You are clearly a confused knob - who cannot read either. Sad but true.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said he
invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the car
so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny. A
dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque
book out:

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK, I "think"

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...
The Russians are to sell at the end of the year a new range of 100%
elecric drive cars using a revolutionary new rotary toroidal "vane"
engine" - some cars will be made in Germany. Some crank in the USA said
he invented it. He never. I "believe" the battery pack is small for the
car so nearly always runs on the engine. The engine only turns a genny.
A dissapointing 67mpg (US). I seems cheap to buy. so I will get my cheque
book out:
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/

The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK, I "think"

Some reports say 4 litres per 100 km, which is 71 mpg imp. Getting better.
One version also can run on natural gas and petrol.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote:
[snip]
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK,

Downhill with the engine switched off?

I "think"

There's no evidence for that, or any of your other stupid claims. You
really are the snake-oil salesman's favourite fall guy.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:
[snip]
http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_R...ign_its_ own/
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK,

A knob interjects.....

Downhill with the engine switched off?

I "think"

There's no evidence for that,

You are a known knob. The claims are for 71mpg imp, but yet fully tested.
Please continue with your knobness.

On 28/01/2012 08:35, Doctor Drivel wrote:
The mpg is 67mpg US, 56 mpg UK, I "think"

You want to try that conversion again?

Andy

The engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PbLI...layer_embedded

Doctor Drivel wrote:
The engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PbLI...layer_embedded

Nice computer generated imagery, now show us one of a *real* one driving
a car. Or driving *anything*.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
The engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PbLI...layer_embedded

Nice computer generated imagery, now show us one of a *real* one driving a
car. Or driving *anything*.

Look at the first post and click the link. All is there. Engine in the car
and working with Putin driving one. Look before you type.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Look at the first post and click the link. All is there.

I love the caption saying "comparing size for same output" under the
image of an engine that looks like it would put a tank to shame!

http://pesn.com/2011/04/23/9501814_Russian_firm_claims_MYT_engine_design_its_ own/Ralphial_Morgado_MYT.gif

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Williamson" wrote in
message ...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
The engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PbLI...layer_embedded

Nice computer generated imagery, now show us one of a *real* one
driving a car. Or driving *anything*.

Look at the first post and click the link. All is there. Engine in the
car and working with Putin driving one. Look before you type.

I did. The link you posted shows the CGI of the engine, and a picture of
Putin standing by the car. Going through a few layers of links in
Russian and intranslation, he's seen driving a car with a similar body
design for about ten seconds that sounds like any other small car. It's
a good, solid clunk when he closes the door, though. That's important,
it means it's a quality vehicle. No pictures of the engine *in that car*.

Why didn't *you* link directly to the test drive? Or give a link to the
sales website, as one of the links in the chain I followed says that it
was going to be available to order since June last year.

More Russian Vapourware.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
The engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PbLI...layer_embedded

Nice computer generated imagery, now show us one of a *real* one driving
a car. Or driving *anything*.

Look at the first post and click the link. All is there. Engine in the
car and working with Putin driving one. Look before you type.

I did. The link you posted shows the CGI of the engine, and a picture of
Putin standing by the car. Going through a few layers of links in Russian
and intranslation, he's seen driving a car with a similar body design for
about ten seconds that sounds like any other small car. It's a good, solid
clunk when he closes the door, though. That's important, it means it's a
quality vehicle. No pictures of the engine *in that car*.

Why didn't *you* link directly to the test drive? Or give a link to the
sales website, as one of the links in the chain I followed says that it
was going to be available to order since June last year.

I could have linked to the Moon, but you got there in the end. The Ruskies
have not ripped off a USA design. The first attempt at this was in 1910.
BSA, had a prototype in 1955.

More Russian Vapourware.

Tell me where they are telling lies?

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:19:59 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

The engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PbLI...layer_embedded

Yup. Vapourware, as I expected.

wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:19:59 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

The engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PbLI...layer_embedded

Yup. Vapourware, as I expected.

Wow, known knobness in action. Amazing.