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HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem
My 8-year-old HP/Compaq nx9005 laptop has got a completely flat battery
- or, rather, *two* completely flat batteries, because I bought a new one a few years ago and they are now both the same. The power arrangements for this laptop are as follows: The battery is lithium-ion, 14.8v, 4400mAH (type F4809). It has a row of LEDs on the side to indicate the state of charge. The mains power supply delivers 18.5vDC through a cylindrical connector, which powers the laptop when on mains, and charges the battery via circuitry built into the laptop. There is a light on the front of the laptop which is amber when the battery is charging, and turns green when it is fully charged. Well, that's what's *supposed* to happen. What *actually* happens is this: If I 'charge' the battery for (say) 24 hours, the lamp is amber for the whole time and never turns green. If I remove the battery immediately after 'charging', it is stone cold and none of the charge indicator LEDs light when the test button is pressed. Even after a long charging period, the battery won't start the laptop if mains power is not present. If when the laptop is running, mains power is removed, it stops dead. If I run the laptop without a battery present, the charge lamp flashes amber (but is solid amber if a battery is present). I have tried putting one of the batteries in the freezer for 2 days, and then thawing it and attempting to charge it - all to no avail. Sorry for the long pre-amble! My question is this: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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Roger Mills wrote:
How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. I'm 99% certain that the batteries have died due to old age. The behaviour of the charging LED suggests that the charging circuitry is okay. Most Lithium based batteries I've had in laptops have died after no more than four years. I killed one in a few months by just leaving the laptop plugged in permanently. Two simple ways to make certain, test the battery in another machine,and try a working battery in yours. Of course, this does have the disadvantage of needing access to a machine that is known to be good. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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John Williamson wrote:
Most Lithium based batteries I've had in laptops have died after no more than four years. I killed one in a few months by just leaving the laptop plugged in permanently. A recently purchased IdeaPad has an option to keep the battery charged to 50% rather than 100%. This is intended in cases where the laptop is usually left connected to the charger, which hurts the battery longevity, you can untick the setting when you know you will want the full 5+ hours battery capacity ... |
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On 14/08/2011 22:06, John Williamson wrote:
Roger Mills wrote: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. I'm 99% certain that the batteries have died due to old age. The behaviour of the charging LED suggests that the charging circuitry is okay. Most Lithium based batteries I've had in laptops have died after no more than four years. I killed one in a few months by just leaving the laptop plugged in permanently. Thanks. What would the charging LED do if the charger was duff? Two simple ways to make certain, test the battery in another machine,and try a working battery in yours. Of course, this does have the disadvantage of needing access to a machine that is known to be good. Not an option, unfortunately. I don't have access to another machine which uses the same type of battery - and the only way of getting a working battery is to *buy* one - which is what I'm seeking to avoid until I'm sure that the charger is ok! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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Roger Mills wrote:
On 14/08/2011 22:06, John Williamson wrote: Roger Mills wrote: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. I'm 99% certain that the batteries have died due to old age. The behaviour of the charging LED suggests that the charging circuitry is okay. Most Lithium based batteries I've had in laptops have died after no more than four years. I killed one in a few months by just leaving the laptop plugged in permanently. Thanks. What would the charging LED do if the charger was duff? Stay off, IME. Which model of laptop is it? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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... My 8-year-old HP/Compaq nx9005 laptop has got a completely flat battery - or, rather, *two* completely flat batteries, because I bought a new one a few years ago and they are now both the same. The power arrangements for this laptop are as follows: The battery is lithium-ion, 14.8v, 4400mAH (type F4809). It has a row of LEDs on the side to indicate the state of charge. The mains power supply delivers 18.5vDC through a cylindrical connector, which powers the laptop when on mains, and charges the battery via circuitry built into the laptop. There is a light on the front of the laptop which is amber when the battery is charging, and turns green when it is fully charged. Well, that's what's *supposed* to happen. What *actually* happens is this: If I 'charge' the battery for (say) 24 hours, the lamp is amber for the whole time and never turns green. If I remove the battery immediately after 'charging', it is stone cold and none of the charge indicator LEDs light when the test button is pressed. Even after a long charging period, the battery won't start the laptop if mains power is not present. If when the laptop is running, mains power is removed, it stops dead. If I run the laptop without a battery present, the charge lamp flashes amber (but is solid amber if a battery is present). I have tried putting one of the batteries in the freezer for 2 days, and then thawing it and attempting to charge it - all to no avail. Sorry for the long pre-amble! My question is this: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! After eight years the batteries are well beyond their design life. Indeed the machine is as well. You might consider cutting your losses and buy a new machine. Regards from Peter Crosland |
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On 15/08/2011 07:23, John Williamson wrote:
Roger Mills wrote: Thanks. What would the charging LED do if the charger was duff? Stay off, IME. Which model of laptop is it? As per my original post, it's an HP/Compaq nx9005 with an F4809 battery. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 15/08/2011 07:38, Peter Crosland wrote:
After eight years the batteries are well beyond their design life. Indeed the machine is as well. You might consider cutting your losses and buy a new machine. The two batteries have been used serially - so that's only 4 years each, but even that may be beyond their expected life! The laptop has already been pretty much retired, and is mainly only used as a standby machine. It had to be pressed into service recently when my wife's computer picked up a virus - and she was able to use the laptop whilst I sorted her main computer. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:49:59 +0100
Roger Mills wrote: My 8-year-old HP/Compaq nx9005 laptop has got a completely flat battery - or, rather, *two* completely flat batteries, because I bought a new one a few years ago and they are now both the same. The power arrangements for this laptop are as follows: The battery is lithium-ion, 14.8v, 4400mAH (type F4809). It has a row of LEDs on the side to indicate the state of charge. The mains power supply delivers 18.5vDC through a cylindrical connector, which powers the laptop when on mains, and charges the battery via circuitry built into the laptop. There is a light on the front of the laptop which is amber when the battery is charging, and turns green when it is fully charged. Well, that's what's *supposed* to happen. What *actually* happens is this: If I 'charge' the battery for (say) 24 hours, the lamp is amber for the whole time and never turns green. If I remove the battery immediately after 'charging', it is stone cold and none of the charge indicator LEDs light when the test button is pressed. Even after a long charging period, the battery won't start the laptop if mains power is not present. If when the laptop is running, mains power is removed, it stops dead. If I run the laptop without a battery present, the charge lamp flashes amber (but is solid amber if a battery is present). I have tried putting one of the batteries in the freezer for 2 days, and then thawing it and attempting to charge it - all to no avail. Sorry for the long pre-amble! My question is this: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. I have a similar situation to you. My laptop is an nx9010, and I bought a new replacement battery just over a year and a half ago. Now it behaves exactly as you describe, in every detail, and I also have wondered whether it's the battery or the charging system. I shall be interested in the conclusion, if any, although I have bought a new laptop, which far outstrips the abilities of the Compaq. -- Davey. |
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In o.uk,
Peter Crosland wrote: After eight years the batteries are well beyond their design life. Indeed the machine is as well. You might consider cutting your losses and buy a new machine. Regards from Peter Crosland I don't know... I don't think the same way about older laptops as you do about them. For example I have 10 laptops from 2006 alone. 3 Gateway MX6124 6 Gateway M465 1 Alienware M9700 with two Nvidia 7900 GPU connected in SLI mode And I have no interest whatsoever in any newer machines, except my four netbooks from 2008. And my fascination with 2006 models is that they are at the crossroads between XP, Vista, and Windows 7. And anything newer it is hard to find XP drivers if they exist at all. And newer machines don't have Cardbus slots anymore. The Gateway M465 laptops are very versatile as well. They support docking stations, 2 hard drives, 2 batteries, floppy drive and a wide range of CPUs work in these things. Thus they can run either 32 bit or 64 bit OS. And because of the docking station, you don't have to worry whether the DC jack works or not. And they came out with either matte or glossy, wide or non-wide screens. I see 2006 as a great year for computers including laptops. And IMHO newer machines just are not as versatile. Heck does any newer laptops even support docking stations anymore? Or are they gone too? So how long can I use these 2006 laptops? I am not sure. Frankly I am surprised they can still keep up with the latest software. Back in 2006, I thought 2011 was when I had to give them up and to move on. But 2011 is here and I might still be using them in 2016. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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Roger Mills wrote:
On 15/08/2011 07:23, John Williamson wrote: Roger Mills wrote: Thanks. What would the charging LED do if the charger was duff? Stay off, IME. Which model of laptop is it? As per my original post, it's an HP/Compaq nx9005 with an F4809 battery. I should have re-read the original post, but I'm stuck on a netbook with a tiny screen and it's *way* up there^. Unfortunately, I don't have one, or one which uses the same battery,so I can't offer a spare unit type check. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Davey wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:49:59 +0100 Roger Mills wrote: My 8-year-old HP/Compaq nx9005 laptop has got a completely flat battery - or, rather, *two* completely flat batteries, because I bought a new one a few years ago and they are now both the same. The power arrangements for this laptop are as follows: The battery is lithium-ion, 14.8v, 4400mAH (type F4809). It has a row of LEDs on the side to indicate the state of charge. The mains power supply delivers 18.5vDC through a cylindrical connector, which powers the laptop when on mains, and charges the battery via circuitry built into the laptop. There is a light on the front of the laptop which is amber when the battery is charging, and turns green when it is fully charged. Well, that's what's *supposed* to happen. What *actually* happens is this: If I 'charge' the battery for (say) 24 hours, the lamp is amber for the whole time and never turns green. If I remove the battery immediately after 'charging', it is stone cold and none of the charge indicator LEDs light when the test button is pressed. Even after a long charging period, the battery won't start the laptop if mains power is not present. If when the laptop is running, mains power is removed, it stops dead. If I run the laptop without a battery present, the charge lamp flashes amber (but is solid amber if a battery is present). I have tried putting one of the batteries in the freezer for 2 days, and then thawing it and attempting to charge it - all to no avail. Sorry for the long pre-amble! My question is this: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. I have a similar situation to you. My laptop is an nx9010, and I bought a new replacement battery just over a year and a half ago. Now it behaves exactly as you describe, in every detail, and I also have wondered whether it's the battery or the charging system. I shall be interested in the conclusion, if any, although I have bought a new laptop, which far outstrips the abilities of the Compaq. Something I have noticed on my Armada is that aftermarket batteries are very variable in quality. I bought a pair, so I could put one in the CD drive slot, and one in the normal slot, one lasted a year or two, the other failed totally within weeks. The both gave symptoms as described when they failed, with the bonus that one generated a BIOS error message saying the battery was faulty. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:21:45 +0100
John Williamson wrote: Davey wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:49:59 +0100 Roger Mills wrote: My 8-year-old HP/Compaq nx9005 laptop has got a completely flat battery - or, rather, *two* completely flat batteries, because I bought a new one a few years ago and they are now both the same. The power arrangements for this laptop are as follows: The battery is lithium-ion, 14.8v, 4400mAH (type F4809). It has a row of LEDs on the side to indicate the state of charge. The mains power supply delivers 18.5vDC through a cylindrical connector, which powers the laptop when on mains, and charges the battery via circuitry built into the laptop. There is a light on the front of the laptop which is amber when the battery is charging, and turns green when it is fully charged. Well, that's what's *supposed* to happen. What *actually* happens is this: If I 'charge' the battery for (say) 24 hours, the lamp is amber for the whole time and never turns green. If I remove the battery immediately after 'charging', it is stone cold and none of the charge indicator LEDs light when the test button is pressed. Even after a long charging period, the battery won't start the laptop if mains power is not present. If when the laptop is running, mains power is removed, it stops dead. If I run the laptop without a battery present, the charge lamp flashes amber (but is solid amber if a battery is present). I have tried putting one of the batteries in the freezer for 2 days, and then thawing it and attempting to charge it - all to no avail. Sorry for the long pre-amble! My question is this: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. I have a similar situation to you. My laptop is an nx9010, and I bought a new replacement battery just over a year and a half ago. Now it behaves exactly as you describe, in every detail, and I also have wondered whether it's the battery or the charging system. I shall be interested in the conclusion, if any, although I have bought a new laptop, which far outstrips the abilities of the Compaq. Something I have noticed on my Armada is that aftermarket batteries are very variable in quality. I bought a pair, so I could put one in the CD drive slot, and one in the normal slot, one lasted a year or two, the other failed totally within weeks. The both gave symptoms as described when they failed, with the bonus that one generated a BIOS error message saying the battery was faulty. All I got was the information that it was almost fully charged, but it wasn't. The fact that the LED is alight does tend to indicate that the charging system is functioning, rather than the battery. But is could also be that the system is overcharging the battery, leading to its early demise. -- Davey. |
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On Aug 14, 9:49*pm, Roger Mills wrote:
My 8-year-old HP/Compaq nx9005 laptop has got a completely flat battery - or, rather, *two* completely flat batteries, because I bought a new one a few years ago and they are now both the same. The power arrangements for this laptop are as follows: The battery is lithium-ion, 14.8v, 4400mAH (type F4809). It has a row of LEDs on the side to indicate the state of charge. The mains power supply delivers 18.5vDC through a cylindrical connector, which powers the laptop when on mains, and charges the battery via circuitry built into the laptop. There is a light on the front of the laptop which is amber when the battery is charging, and turns green when it is fully charged. Well, that's what's *supposed* to happen. What *actually* happens is this: If I 'charge' the battery for (say) 24 hours, the lamp is amber for the whole time and never turns green. If I remove the battery immediately after 'charging', it is stone cold and none of the charge indicator LEDs light when the test button is pressed. Even after a long charging period, the battery won't start the laptop if mains power is not present. If when the laptop is running, mains power is removed, it stops dead. If I run the laptop without a battery present, the charge lamp flashes amber (but is solid amber if a battery is present). I have tried putting one of the batteries in the freezer for 2 days, and then thawing it and attempting to charge it - all to no avail. Sorry for the long pre-amble! My question is this: How can I tell whether the problem lies with the battery or with the internal charger? Are there any clues in what I have written above? I don't mind buying another new battery but, if the charger is duff, I will have wasted my money. I usually run it on mains anyway, so it's not a total disaster if I can't make the battery work - but one does tend to expect a laptop to have its own built-in UPS! TIA. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. Can you still get a genuine OEM battery? I would be wary of a cheap "replacement". If regularly used on mains, take the battery out, as they don't like the heat. MBQ |
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"
wrote: Can you still get a genuine OEM battery? I would be wary of a cheap "replacement". One of the problems with the modern Lithium based batteries is that they start deteriorating the minute they're manufactured and continue to do so throughout their lifetime whether they are used or not. So when replacing the battery on an old laptop the problem is to find a new battery that was not manufactured 2 years ago (or longer) and has been sitting on the shelf ever since waiting to be sold. This battery can be sold as new, and comes in a new unopened package, but electrically it won't be new. For that reason IMO you are better off to go to a high volume battery store and get a remanufactured battery with *fresh cells*... |
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"Roger Mills" wrote in message ... My 8-year-old HP/Compaq nx9005 laptop has got a completely flat battery - or, rather, *two* completely flat batteries, because I bought a new one a few years ago and they are now both the same. The battery in my HP/Compaq dv9500 was pretty much dead after 3 years. I did not want to pay $100 plus for a new battery so I just kept it plugged in. After a year I decided I needed the battery. I couldn't believe those $100 batterys were now selling for $30 on Amazon.com. I bought one and so far have no complaints. A few days later I saw a documentary on the problems caused by product knockoffs, mostly from China. Laptop batterys were one of the products they talked about. If my laptop battery is dead within a year I'll know it was probably one of those knockoffs. |
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AJL wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q" wrote: Can you still get a genuine OEM battery? I would be wary of a cheap "replacement". One of the problems with the modern Lithium based batteries is that they start deteriorating the minute they're manufactured and continue to do so throughout their lifetime whether they are used or not. So when replacing the battery on an old laptop the problem is to find a new battery that was not manufactured 2 years ago (or longer) and has been sitting on the shelf ever since waiting to be sold. This battery can be sold as new, and comes in a new unopened package, but electrically it won't be new. For that reason IMO you are better off to go to a high volume battery store and get a remanufactured battery with *fresh cells*... That is all true of course. But I get 10 years out of mine by sitting on the shelf. While Barry Watzman got 12 years out of his. You should check them every year or two and charge them if the voltage has dropped too low. As once they hit something like 3.4 volts per cell, the safety circuit might refuse to charge them anymore. As once the cells hit 2.8 volts per cell, they like to burst into flames if you try to charge them. So the way I look at it... say a battery was manufactured four to five years ago. Anything older probably lost too much of its charge and the safety circuits will refuse to charge it. And even being this old and treated right, it should last about another 5 to 7 years. So I don't know about you, But freshly manufactured laptop Li-Ion batteries usually cost like 200 bucks. While Li-Ion batteries which are older can be had for about 40 bucks. Remember the sellers are trying to get rid of them before they will refuse to charge. As once they get to this state, they can't even give them away. So spend 200 bucks and get about 10 to 12 years out of it. Or spend about 40 bucks and get 5 to 7 years out of those. I dunno, I rather go for the older Li-Ion batteries if you ask me. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:49:58 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:
In , AJL wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q" wrote: Can you still get a genuine OEM battery? I would be wary of a cheap "replacement". IMO you are better off to go to a high volume battery store and get a remanufactured battery with *fresh cells*... That is all true of course. But I get 10 years out of mine by sitting on the shelf. While Barry Watzman got 12 years out of his. Yes I do remember those 'who has the oldest battery' campfire stories from times past here. Kinda like the mine is bigger than yours? 8-O But freshly manufactured laptop Li-Ion batteries usually cost like 200 bucks. Just checked several sites and found batteries for my 4 year old Acer laptop (4315) ranging from about US$50 to $100. While Li-Ion batteries which are older can be had for about 40 bucks. Cheap is not always better in batteries (though it could be). Problem is how do you tell? I would likely go with a branded dealer like Duracell.com and pay the price. So spend 200 bucks and get about 10 to 12 years out of it. Or spend about 40 bucks and get 5 to 7 years out of those. Other than bragging rights why would you need a 12 year old battery? |
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AJL wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:49:58 -0500, "BillW50" wrote: In , AJL wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q" wrote: Can you still get a genuine OEM battery? I would be wary of a cheap "replacement". IMO you are better off to go to a high volume battery store and get a remanufactured battery with *fresh cells*... That is all true of course. But I get 10 years out of mine by sitting on the shelf. While Barry Watzman got 12 years out of his. Yes I do remember those 'who has the oldest battery' campfire stories from times past here. Kinda like the mine is bigger than yours? 8-O Yes, Barry had better luck with his lithium batteries than I. So what can I say? lol Btw, those 10 year old batteries are now 12 years old and I haven't taken out of the drawer in two years. They could be history or they might still be good. They fit my 12 year old Toshiba 2595XDVD laptops. And they just sit up on the shelf doing nothing, so I really don't care if the batteries are still good or not. ;-) But freshly manufactured laptop Li-Ion batteries usually cost like 200 bucks. Just checked several sites and found batteries for my 4 year old Acer laptop (4315) ranging from about US$50 to $100. Yes, but are those one month old batteries? Or were they manufactured 4 years ago? While Li-Ion batteries which are older can be had for about 40 bucks. Cheap is not always better in batteries (though it could be). Problem is how do you tell? I would likely go with a branded dealer like Duracell.com and pay the price. Well there are those stories about cheap knockoffs which got into the dealers supply chain. Remember those stories a few years back? Things like cell phones bursting into flames while they were using them or in their pockets. Then there was I believe who was Sony, who thought they were clever. As they made the battery layers thinner and gave them larger capacity for a smaller package. Sounded good on the surface. But the layers were too thin and they begun to short internally and burst into flames. I think they said that was the largest battery recall in history. So spend 200 bucks and get about 10 to 12 years out of it. Or spend about 40 bucks and get 5 to 7 years out of those. Other than bragging rights why would you need a 12 year old battery? That is what I am saying. Who cares if the battery was freshly manufactured or not? As if an unused five year old battery for 40 bucks gives me 6 years of service after I get it. I find that totally acceptable. Don't you? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56:37 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:
Who cares if the battery was freshly manufactured or not? Pure L-ion battery physics says that a 5 year old 'new' battery will have a lower capacity than the same battery freshly manufactured. As if an unused five year old battery for 40 bucks gives me 6 years of service after I get it. The most expensive remanufactured (fresh cells) battery for this Acer 4315 was $100. You saved $60 over your 6 years. So for pennies a month you will put up with a lower capacity battery? |
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AJL wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56:37 -0500, "BillW50" wrote: Who cares if the battery was freshly manufactured or not? Pure L-ion battery physics says that a 5 year old 'new' battery will have a lower capacity than the same battery freshly manufactured. True, but my 5 year old batteries have 80% or better capacity. Age doesn't seem to effect capacity very much. Although heat and the number of recharges does. As if an unused five year old battery for 40 bucks gives me 6 years of service after I get it. The most expensive remanufactured (fresh cells) battery for this Acer 4315 was $100. You saved $60 over your 6 years. So for pennies a month you will put up with a lower capacity battery? Like you said, who wants a battery to last 12 years? By then, I have lost interest in a laptop that old. The only exception is my Palm IIIc which happens to be 12 years old now. The first lithium battery lasted about 6 years and this second one is now 6 years old and it is still going strong (it is also one of those cheap aftermarket ones too). -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:14:06 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:
who wants a battery to last 12 years? By then, I have lost interest in a laptop that old. I have never bought a replacement for a failed laptop battery. There was always something newer and better that I wanted before the battery wore out. Wasteful I know, but fun nevertheless... The only exception is my Palm IIIc which happens to be 12 years old now. The first lithium battery lasted about 6 years and this second one is now 6 years old and it is still going strong (it is also one of those cheap aftermarket ones too). How can you stand to use that thing? Compared to a modern smartphone (my Palm replacement) it must be very painful... 8-O |
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On Aug 15, 11:18*am, "BillW50" wrote:
Innews:VNGdnSNKo_1BI9XTnZ2dnUVZ7t6dnZ2d@brightview .co.uk, Peter Crosland wrote: After eight years the batteries are well beyond their design life. Indeed the machine is as well. You might consider cutting your losses and buy a new machine. Regards from Peter Crosland I don't know... I don't think the same way about older laptops as you do about them. For example I have 10 laptops from 2006 alone. 3 Gateway MX6124 6 Gateway M465 1 Alienware M9700 with two Nvidia 7900 GPU connected in SLI mode And I have no interest whatsoever in any newer machines, except my four netbooks from 2008. And my fascination with 2006 models is that they are at the crossroads between XP, Vista, and Windows 7. And anything newer it is hard to find XP drivers if they exist at all. And newer machines don't have Cardbus slots anymore. The Gateway M465 laptops are very versatile as well. They support docking stations, 2 hard drives, 2 batteries, floppy drive and a wide range of CPUs work in these things. Thus they can run either 32 bit or 64 bit OS. And because of the docking station, you don't have to worry whether the DC jack works or not. And they came out with either matte or glossy, wide or non-wide screens. I see 2006 as a great year for computers including laptops. And IMHO newer machines just are not as versatile. Heck does any newer laptops even support docking stations anymore? Or are they gone too? So how long can I use these 2006 laptops? I am not sure. Frankly I am surprised they can still keep up with the latest software. Back in 2006, I thought 2011 was when I had to give them up and to move on. But 2011 is here and I might still be using them in 2016. ;-) It should be perfectly able to manage 10 years and more, what usually makes old machines unusable is people putting ill suited OSes and apps on them. Linux Antix or Puppy should run very well on such machines. NT |
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On 8/19/2011 4:09 PM, AJL wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:14:06 -0500, wrote: who wants a battery to last 12 years? By then, I have lost interest in a laptop that old. I have never bought a replacement for a failed laptop battery. There was always something newer and better that I wanted before the battery wore out. Wasteful I know, but fun nevertheless... Besides the Palm IIIc I haven't either. But I do buy spare batteries for my laptops and netbooks right away. ;-) The only exception is my Palm IIIc which happens to be 12 years old now. The first lithium battery lasted about 6 years and this second one is now 6 years old and it is still going strong (it is also one of those cheap aftermarket ones too). How can you stand to use that thing? Compared to a modern smartphone (my Palm replacement) it must be very painful... 8-O Well I still use the address book and the date book. I also use it for grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-) -- Bill Alienware M9700 - 1GB - Two Nvidia 7900GS running in SLI mode |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:13:22 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
I still use the [Palm IIIc] address book and the date book. I also use it for grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-) That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a touch screen and a laptop built in... |
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"AJL" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:13:22 -0500, BillW50 wrote: I still use the [Palm IIIc] address book and the date book. I also use it for grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-) That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a touch screen and a laptop built in... Mines only got 16G of flash built in, but it does have a microSD slot so I can add another 32G. There isn't much you can use it for other than videos/photos or so much music you will never be able to play it all. The 1G of RAM is more useful as navigation software and voice recognition works so much better when it has enough RAM. |
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On 8/19/2011 11:41 PM, AJL wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:13:22 -0500, wrote: I still use the [Palm IIIc] address book and the date book. I also use it for grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-) That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a touch screen and a laptop built in... Yup, 8MB soldered on the motherboard without any expansion slot. And 8MB is huge for shopping lists and game cheats. ;-) Smartphone? Naw... cellular signals don't work well where I live. They only work well when I run into town. Anyway I rather use a netbook rather than a smartphone for apps and data stuff. Bigger keyboard and larger screen too. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7 |
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On 8/19/2011 5:33 PM, NT wrote:
On Aug 15, 11:18 am, wrote: Innews:VNGdnSNKo_1BI9XTnZ2dnUVZ7t6dnZ2d@brightview .co.uk, Peter Crosland wrote: After eight years the batteries are well beyond their design life. Indeed the machine is as well. You might consider cutting your losses and buy a new machine. Regards from Peter Crosland I don't know... I don't think the same way about older laptops as you do about them. For example I have 10 laptops from 2006 alone. 3 Gateway MX6124 6 Gateway M465 1 Alienware M9700 with two Nvidia 7900 GPU connected in SLI mode And I have no interest whatsoever in any newer machines, except my four netbooks from 2008. And my fascination with 2006 models is that they are at the crossroads between XP, Vista, and Windows 7. And anything newer it is hard to find XP drivers if they exist at all. And newer machines don't have Cardbus slots anymore. The Gateway M465 laptops are very versatile as well. They support docking stations, 2 hard drives, 2 batteries, floppy drive and a wide range of CPUs work in these things. Thus they can run either 32 bit or 64 bit OS. And because of the docking station, you don't have to worry whether the DC jack works or not. And they came out with either matte or glossy, wide or non-wide screens. I see 2006 as a great year for computers including laptops. And IMHO newer machines just are not as versatile. Heck does any newer laptops even support docking stations anymore? Or are they gone too? So how long can I use these 2006 laptops? I am not sure. Frankly I am surprised they can still keep up with the latest software. Back in 2006, I thought 2011 was when I had to give them up and to move on. But 2011 is here and I might still be using them in 2016. ;-) It should be perfectly able to manage 10 years and more, what usually makes old machines unusable is people putting ill suited OSes and apps on them. Linux Antix or Puppy should run very well on such machines. NT Much thanks NT. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7 |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:21:43 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote: "AJL" wrote in message That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a touch screen and a laptop built in... Mines only got 16G of flash built in, but it does have a microSD slot so I can add another 32G. My phone has 8G internal flash + a 16G micro SD = 24G. There isn't much you can use it for other than videos/photos or so much music you will never be able to play it all. I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:13:25 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
On 8/19/2011 11:41 PM, AJL wrote: That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a touch screen and a laptop built in... Yup, 8MB soldered on the motherboard without any expansion slot. And 8MB is huge for shopping lists and game cheats. ;-) My first Palm was 2 Meg and I got along just fine with it. Now I can't imagine how I ever got along on such a pittance... Smartphone? Naw... cellular signals don't work well where I live. They only work well when I run into town. No need for cell signals if you don't want a phone. When you put a smartphone in Airplane Mode they are really just a PDA with laptop (and WiFi) capabilities. Check EBay for some good used prices. A new toy for you to check out... Anyway I rather use a netbook rather than a smartphone for apps and data stuff. Bigger keyboard and larger screen too. ;-) Use both. You do now (your netbook and your Palm). |
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"AJL" wrote in message ... I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. |
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On 8/20/2011 5:15 PM, AJL wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:13:25 -0500, wrote: On 8/19/2011 11:41 PM, AJL wrote: That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a touch screen and a laptop built in... Yup, 8MB soldered on the motherboard without any expansion slot. And 8MB is huge for shopping lists and game cheats. ;-) My first Palm was 2 Meg and I got along just fine with it. Now I can't imagine how I ever got along on such a pittance... The Palm IIIc was what I consider my first PDA. Although it really wasn't. I bought two really cheap PDAs before that. They were under 40 bucks brand new. They had some PIM stuff, but that is it. But the Palm IIIc cost over 300 bucks. And if I remember right, it was the first color PDA. I *love* tech things that was the first. Later I bought a GPS for the Palm (this was before cheap GPS gadgets). Although it was really made for the Palm IIIxe and not the IIIc. At the time, I thought the xe was the black and white version and the c was the color version. Well it is kind of true to a point. And anything that ran on the xe would also run on the c. As the c was a tad longer from top to bottom. And this GPS clipped on from top to bottom. So I could make it work if I held them together just right. But not very practical. So I bought a xe just for the GPS. I learned there was more differences too. It only had 2MB of memory and ran off of two AAA batteries. As I liked the color display so much better and the chargeable lithium battery on the c. And I gave up on the GPS and the xe soon afterwords. But I kept using the c to this very day. ;-) Smartphone? Naw... cellular signals don't work well where I live. They only work well when I run into town. No need for cell signals if you don't want a phone. When you put a smartphone in Airplane Mode they are really just a PDA with laptop (and WiFi) capabilities. Check EBay for some good used prices. A new toy for you to check out... Oh okay. I'll add that to my todo list on my c. No seriously, it sounds interesting. Anyway I rather use a netbook rather than a smartphone for apps and data stuff. Bigger keyboard and larger screen too. ;-) Use both. You do now (your netbook and your Palm). Oh great! ;-) As a side note: When I was younger, I was *big* on the latest and the greatest. Although as I age, what seems more important is collecting devices that were noteworthy and important for their time. I dunno, maybe it is just watching the clock tick along or something. :-( -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7 |
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On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
"AJL" wrote in message ... I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7 |
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BillW50 wrote:
On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote: "AJL" wrote in message ... I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same. Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment |
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On 8/20/2011 6:48 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
BillW50 wrote: On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote: "AJL" wrote in message ... I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same. Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment Oh that is something else entirely. Some people like something that wipes the disk and that is good enough. And I feel overwriting it with DVDs or whatever is good enough. But it is still possible for the determined to still pull the old information off. Okay it is. And I hear people like the FBI or the CIA can and probably the most seasoned hackers can too. Well in my case, I don't think any of them are that interested in my stuff to go through all of the trouble. As they are not going to get anything that is that exciting anyway. But if you think you have something that interesting to those people. Then take a 20 pound mallet and smash it to pieces. Yeah given enough money and resources, nothing is impossible. But is it worth it? ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7 |
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BillW50 wrote:
On 8/20/2011 6:48 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote: BillW50 wrote: On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote: "AJL" wrote in message ... I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same. Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment Oh that is something else entirely. Some people like something that wipes the disk and that is good enough. And I feel overwriting it with DVDs or whatever is good enough. But it is still possible for the determined to still pull the old information off. Okay it is. And I hear people like the FBI or the CIA can and probably the most seasoned hackers can too. Well in my case, I don't think any of them are that interested in my stuff to go through all of the trouble. As they are not going to get anything that is that exciting anyway. But if you think you have something that interesting to those people. Then take a 20 pound mallet and smash it to pieces. Yeah given enough money and resources, nothing is impossible. But is it worth it? ;-) Tssk... The dumping elswhere was for backup, I want it back in case of emergency or update!! But some of my friends might like to browse my backup, and I am not sure I would like that...... |
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In message , BillW50
writes On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote: "AJL" wrote in message ... I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same. You can always rebuild a house and I have an 8TB server at home and at work that mutually back each other up (problem there for dennis , who is ... no longer employed) The loss here would be photographs, slides, cassettes and vinyl far too lazy to back up / scan all that lot in -- geoff |
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In message , BillW50
writes On 8/20/2011 6:48 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote: BillW50 wrote: On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote: "AJL" wrote in message ... I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same. Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment Oh that is something else entirely. Some people like something that wipes the disk and that is good enough. And I feel overwriting it with DVDs or whatever is good enough. But it is still possible for the determined to still pull the old information off. Okay it is. And I hear people like the FBI or the CIA can and probably the most seasoned hackers can too. Well in my case, I don't think any of them are that interested in my stuff to go through all of the trouble. As they are not going to get anything that is that exciting anyway. But if you think you have something that interesting to those people. Then take a 20 pound mallet and smash it to pieces. Yeah given enough money and resources, nothing is impossible. But is it worth it? ;-) .... How paranoid are you ? -- geoff |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:37:49 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote: "AJL" wrote in message .. . I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off site. When I'm off site my data is off site (unless I forget my phone). You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they are together if the data is valuable. My music, ebooks, and photos are important to me but not valuable. |
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