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In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement
bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? John -- John Mulrooney NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while. She's still got the figure she had as a bride . . . in fact she's added to it |
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On 28 Aug, 17:27, JTM wrote:
In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. *I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. *Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. *Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. *Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! *I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? John -- *John Mulrooney NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while. She's still got the figure she had as a bride . . . in fact she's added to it Typical. I reckon they do this to discourage home repairs. I had a Trooper. You needed to remove the battery to change the headlight bulb. |
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JTM writes: In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? On many cars nowadays, bulb replacement is supposed to be done at the garage, and there are no instructions in the handbook (and in the case of headlamps, it can require removal of things like air filters before you can get to them). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"JTM" wrote in message ... In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itO O in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? You were lucky.. the last model of Smart cars had to have the front removed to replace a bulb. About 10 torx screws. Then you had to take the lamp out if you didn't have a child there with small hands. |
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In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. Isn't the "requirement" something of an urban myth? I thought it was more that French coppers were less tolerant of letting you drive on after they'd pointed out a blown bulb. See eg http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice..._equipment.pdf So if you don't carry spare bulbs you may have to call someone out to change one. But AIUI you can't be done simply for not carrying the bulbs (unlike the fluorescent jacket). -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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Robin wrote:
JTM wrote: In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. Isn't the "requirement" something of an urban myth? I thought it was more that French coppers were less tolerant of letting you drive on after they'd pointed out a blown bulb. See eg http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice..._equipment.pdf So if you don't carry spare bulbs you may have to call someone out to change one. But AIUI you can't be done simply for not carrying the bulbs (unlike the fluorescent jacket). You can't put ..... in the middle of a hyperlink or it won't work. You meant: http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice..._equipment.pdf It *is* a requirement for driving in Croatia, but not France, although it is reccomended. Warning triangles and one refelctive jacket per car are compulsory in France -- Phil L RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008 |
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On 28/08/2010 18:24, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In , writes: In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? On many cars nowadays, bulb replacement is supposed to be done at the garage, and there are no instructions in the handbook (and in the case of headlamps, it can require removal of things like air filters before you can get to them). I have 2 Rover 45's and the first time I tried to change a headlamp bulb, I took out the connector for the head lamp adjuster, thinking that it was where the bulb was. These days, I go to my local Rover man. He charges £1-00 for a rear bulb and I think, £5-00 for a headlamp bulb. Dave |
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JTM wrote on Aug 28, 2010:
In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? John About once a year I drive across Europe, going through Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Greece. The equipment you are required to carry in these various countries includes: GB sticker, spare bulbs, spare spectacles (if needed), first aid equipment, warning triangle, reflective jacket, fire extinguisher, headlight beam converter - I think that's about it. In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire mike_lane at mac dot com |
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"Mike Lane" wrote in message
dia.com... JTM wrote on Aug 28, 2010: In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? John About once a year I drive across Europe, going through Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Greece. The equipment you are required to carry in these various countries includes: GB sticker, spare bulbs, spare spectacles (if needed), first aid equipment, warning triangle, reflective jacket, fire extinguisher, headlight beam converter - I think that's about it. In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Properly designed, and fitted, headlamp stickers do work effectively so it is selfish and inconsiderate not to use them,quite apart from any strict legal requirement. Exactly how do you expect the drivers you dazzled to complain to you? As for bulbs the problem is if you do get stopped by the French police and don't have a replacement bulb the hassle involved is really not worth the cost of having a full set of spares. Peter Crosland |
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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
... "Mike Lane" wrote in message dia.com... JTM wrote on Aug 28, 2010: In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itO O in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? John About once a year I drive across Europe, going through Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Greece. The equipment you are required to carry in these various countries includes: GB sticker, spare bulbs, spare spectacles (if needed), first aid equipment, warning triangle, reflective jacket, fire extinguisher, headlight beam converter - I think that's about it. In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Properly designed, and fitted, headlamp stickers do work effectively so it is selfish and inconsiderate not to use them,quite apart from any strict legal requirement. Exactly how do you expect the drivers you dazzled to complain to you? As for bulbs the problem is if you do get stopped by the French police and don't have a replacement bulb the hassle involved is really not worth the cost of having a full set of spares. Peter Crosland A spare bulb isn't going to break the bank - It makes sense to carry a spare as sods law will ensure that one fails on a dark miserable night when you are on a long journey. Just not worth the risk of not carrying one. |
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"Mike Lane" wrote in message dia.com... In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. A full set of spare bulbs costs less than a gallon of fuel unless you have gas discharge lamps where its half a tank. What else do you skimp on? Tyres? Brakes? Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Learn French and you will hear them complaining about the nasty Englanders that dazzle them all the time. |
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On Aug 29, 4:27 am, JTM wrote:
Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? In a recent inspection the brake light in my old Mazda had failed. I discovered that I had a set of spare bulbs in the glovebox. The bulb cluster in the boot had carpet over it secured by Velcro, and the cluster just unclipped. So I was able to replace the bulb in about 20 seconds without tools. |
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Mike Lane wrote:
JTM wrote on Aug 28, 2010: In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? John About once a year I drive across Europe, going through Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Greece. The equipment you are required to carry in these various countries includes: GB sticker, spare bulbs, spare spectacles (if needed), first aid equipment, warning triangle, reflective jacket, fire extinguisher, headlight beam converter - I think that's about it. In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). They may not have complained about your lack of headlamp adjusters because you dazzled them off the road and they're lying in a ditch somewhere. |
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You can't put ..... in the middle of a hyperlink or it won't work. Sorry about that. (I've had to disable "Display PDF in Browser" and haven't come to grips yet with the loss of the link in the address bar.) -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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Robin wrote:
You can't put ..... in the middle of a hyperlink or it won't work. Sorry about that. (I've had to disable "Display PDF in Browser" and haven't come to grips yet with the loss of the link in the address bar.) Right click on the link & select "Copy Shortcut" (with Internet Explorer) or "Copy Link Location" (with Firefox) then paste it into your message. Other browsers will have slightly different wording in the menu. -- Mike Clarke |
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Right click on the link & select "Copy Shortcut" (with Internet Explorer) or "Copy Link Location" (with Firefox) then paste it into your message. Other browsers will have slightly different wording in the menu. Yes thanks but - at the risk of drifting a very long way off topic - that doesn't work too well when dealing with a Google search result. I remembered reading the AA summary but had not kept a link so searched and obtained the results http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&cr=co...fc732fb9f831ca I recognised the one I wanted as the 3rd on the list (excluding the paid-for results). But if I had just copied the link I'd have posted http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...skWMzGUJLjkmRQ and I dislike giving such long and roundabout links. So I copied the text at the bottom of the search result - overlooking it had been shortened with the "..." Previously I would just have opened the document and copied the URL from the address bar but something has made IE8 stop playing nicely with Acrobat 7 Pro with "Display PDF in Browser" enabled and none of the dozen or so alleged fixes I've tried has worked. -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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Robin wrote:
Right click on the link & select "Copy Shortcut" (with Internet Explorer) or "Copy Link Location" (with Firefox) then paste it into your message. Other browsers will have slightly different wording in the menu. Yes thanks but - at the risk of drifting a very long way off topic - that doesn't work too well when dealing with a Google search result. I remembered reading the AA summary but had not kept a link so searched and obtained the results http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&cr=co...fc732fb9f831ca I recognised the one I wanted as the 3rd on the list (excluding the paid-for results). *But if I had just copied the link I'd have posted http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...skWMzGUJLjkmRQ and I dislike giving such long and roundabout links. *So I copied the text at the bottom of the search result - overlooking it had been shortened with the *"..." That's odd, I've just pulled up that page and copied the link (with both IE8 and Firefox 3.5 both of them gave me http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice..._equipment.pdf instead of that long URL. When faced with needing to post long URLs I find www.tinyurl.com very useful for providing short links to them. -- Mike Clarke |
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In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest
in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Ummm ... Do you drive in daylight only then;?... -- Tony Sayer |
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Peter Crosland wrote on Aug 29, 2010:
"Mike Lane" wrote in message dia.com... JTM wrote on Aug 28, 2010: In France it's a requirement to carry a set of replacement bulbs in your vehicle. I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as it's noticed that one of your bulbs has gone, you can replace itŒ Œ in the supermarket car park or on the roadside. Seems like a good idea. Until I came to replace a brake light on my Megane Scenic the other day. Rear light cluster is held in by a couple of T20 Torx screws. Now as it happens I had such a tool, but only by accident! I'm sure not many people would have one, so should the manufacturer be supplying such tools as a safety feature? John About once a year I drive across Europe, going through Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Greece. The equipment you are required to carry in these various countries includes: GB sticker, spare bulbs, spare spectacles (if needed), first aid equipment, warning triangle, reflective jacket, fire extinguisher, headlight beam converter - I think that's about it. In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Properly designed, and fitted, headlamp stickers do work effectively You may be right but I'm not convinced that the 'one size fits all' little plastic discs on sale at Halfords and the like, meet either of your criteria. Even if they were 'properly designed' I imagine the precise position of the sticker is vital. The instructions consist of the usual incomprehensible diagrams so in the end one just has to guess and hope. Exactly how do you expect the drivers you dazzled to complain to you? They flash their lights if they are dazzled - just like they do here. I don't ever drive after dark when abroad so the problem actually doesn't arise much. I lower the headlight beams as far as possible so if I do use headlights during the day I don't think anyone is dazzled. As for bulbs the problem is if you do get stopped by the French police and don't have a replacement bulb the hassle involved is really not worth the cost of having a full set of spares. The French policeman who stops me would, I suppose, have to check all the spare bulbs I am carrying to make sure that I had a correct replacement for each of the dozen or so external lights on the car. (I presume it doesn't apply to the internal lights as well?) It all seems rather unlikely somehow. I think if he were so determined he could find some other technicality to charge me with. -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire mike_lane at mac dot com |
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In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Properly designed, and fitted, headlamp stickers do work effectively You may be right but I'm not convinced that the 'one size fits all' little plastic discs on sale at Halfords and the like, meet either of your criteria. Even if they were 'properly designed' I imagine the precise position of the sticker is vital. The instructions consist of the usual incomprehensible diagrams so in the end one just has to guess and hope. You need to use the ones designed by the headlamp manufacturer not a one size fits all type. Peter Crosland |
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Peter Crosland wrote on Aug 29, 2010:
" In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Properly designed, and fitted, headlamp stickers do work effectively You may be right but I'm not convinced that the 'one size fits all' little plastic discs on sale at Halfords and the like, meet either of your criteria. Even if they were 'properly designed' I imagine the precise position of the sticker is vital. The instructions consist of the usual incomprehensible diagrams so in the end one just has to guess and hope. You need to use the ones designed by the headlamp manufacturer not a one size fits all type. Really? I didn't realize such things existed. I wonder where I could get a pair designed for the Toyota Corolla? -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire mike_lane at mac dot com |
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"Mike Lane" wrote in message dia.com... Peter Crosland wrote on Aug 29, 2010: " In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Properly designed, and fitted, headlamp stickers do work effectively You may be right but I'm not convinced that the 'one size fits all' little plastic discs on sale at Halfords and the like, meet either of your criteria. Even if they were 'properly designed' I imagine the precise position of the sticker is vital. The instructions consist of the usual incomprehensible diagrams so in the end one just has to guess and hope. You need to use the ones designed by the headlamp manufacturer not a one size fits all type. Really? I didn't realize such things existed. I wonder where I could get a pair designed for the Toyota Corolla? A Toyota dealer would be the obvious place to start. Peter Crosland |
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. com, Mike Lane wrote: As for bulbs the problem is if you do get stopped by the French police and don't have a replacement bulb the hassle involved is really not worth the cost of having a full set of spares. The French policeman who stops me would, I suppose, have to check all the spare bulbs I am carrying to make sure that I had a correct replacement for each of the dozen or so external lights on the car. (I presume it doesn't apply to the internal lights as well?) It all seems rather unlikely somehow. I think if he were so determined he could find some other technicality to charge me with. My original post was not quite right. The actual requirement (as in UK) is that all lights etc. are working correctly. But while english bobby might give #advice# the gendarme (certainly in the past) is likely to issue an on-the spot fine -- John Mulrooney NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while. It's that deja vu feeling all over again |
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tony sayer wrote on Aug 29, 2010:
In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Ummm ... Do you drive in daylight only then;?... Mostly, yes. -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire mike_lane at mac dot com |
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dennis@home wrote on Aug 29, 2010:
"Mike Lane" wrote in message dia.com... In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. A full set of spare bulbs costs less than a gallon of fuel unless you have gas discharge lamps where its half a tank. What else do you skimp on? Tyres? Brakes? Also I've stopped putting those nasty little stickers on my headlamps - I'm not convinced they do anything and nobody's complained (so far). Learn French and you will hear them complaining about the nasty Englanders that dazzle them all the time. I speak quite reasonable French. I've not heard them talking about 'Englanders' though. What language is that? -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire mike_lane at mac dot com |
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On 29/08/2010 19:56, Mike Lane wrote:
tony sayer wrote on Aug 29, 2010: In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Ummm ... Do you drive in daylight only then;?... Mostly, yes. I went on a week's driving holiday in Spain this year. The only time I used any lights was in a tunnel - and I used the front fogs. Symmetrical. Andy |
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Mike Lane wrote:
tony sayer wrote on Aug 29, 2010: In practice I have never, ever, had anyone abroad show the slightest interest in anything I have got in or on the car. I do try to take most of the above, but I don't carry spare headlight bulbs - they're expensive and I've never had one fail in the last 20 years or so. Ummm ... Do you drive in daylight only then;?... Mostly, yes. Do the french not have a law requiring the use of headlamps in adverse weather conditions, day or night? |
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Exactly how do you expect the drivers you dazzled to complain to you? I believe retaliation with full beam is the traditional method! |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Peter Crosland wrote: Exactly how do you expect the drivers you dazzled to complain to you? I believe retaliation with full beam is the traditional method! And is the "longbowmen salute" the correct way to reply to that? -- Adam |
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