After falling prey to some scum bag and suffering a loss of my much loved
bicycle, I've decided to do some research into locks.

The bicycle had a D lock with a round key which is aparantly crap, and a
chain lock with a padlock type lock connecting it. I left the bike 3/4 mins
came back it was gone in a very busy place, I guess no one cares or people
with there busy lives just walk on by.

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

I've had a bit of a knock confidence wise even buying a new bike, but I have
and just wanting to make sure it doesn't happen again. Although I know it
can if the theif wants it they will get it, I just want to create enought of
a deterrent to make them think too much hassle.

"Dubber" wrote in message
...
After falling prey to some scum bag and suffering a loss of my much loved
bicycle, I've decided to do some research into locks.

The bicycle had a D lock with a round key which is aparantly crap, and a
chain lock with a padlock type lock connecting it. I left the bike 3/4
mins came back it was gone in a very busy place, I guess no one cares or
people with there busy lives just walk on by.

How heavy was the chain, and was the bike attached to anything?

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

I've had a bit of a knock confidence wise even buying a new bike, but I
have and just wanting to make sure it doesn't happen again. Although I
know it can if the theif wants it they will get it, I just want to create
enought of a deterrent to make them think too much hassle.

After getting a bike nicked, the police recommended a fat chain to me. Which
is what I now have - stout chain + stout padlock.

However, probably worth trying this question on uk.rec.cycling or
uk.rec.cycling.moderated (I reckon the latter will be more likely to get you
sensible answers).

"Clive George" wrote in message
o.uk...
"Dubber" wrote in message
...
After falling prey to some scum bag and suffering a loss of my much loved
bicycle, I've decided to do some research into locks.

The bicycle had a D lock with a round key which is aparantly crap, and a
chain lock with a padlock type lock connecting it. I left the bike 3/4
mins came back it was gone in a very busy place, I guess no one cares or
people with there busy lives just walk on by.

How heavy was the chain, and was the bike attached to anything?

Was this one
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/s...egoryId_165637

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

I've had a bit of a knock confidence wise even buying a new bike, but I
have and just wanting to make sure it doesn't happen again. Although I
know it can if the theif wants it they will get it, I just want to create
enought of a deterrent to make them think too much hassle.

After getting a bike nicked, the police recommended a fat chain to me.
Which is what I now have - stout chain + stout padlock.

However, probably worth trying this question on uk.rec.cycling or
uk.rec.cycling.moderated (I reckon the latter will be more likely to get
you sensible answers).

Ahh didn;t know it existed! thanks

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

I notice that the chain they are selling is much harder.
Does that mean its brittle and can be shattered with a heavy blow or two?

"Dubber" wrote in message
...
After falling prey to some scum bag and suffering a loss of my much loved
bicycle, I've decided to do some research into locks.

The bicycle had a D lock with a round key which is aparantly crap, and a
chain lock with a padlock type lock connecting it. I left the bike 3/4
mins came back it was gone in a very busy place, I guess no one cares or
people with there busy lives just walk on by.

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

I've had a bit of a knock confidence wise even buying a new bike, but I
have and just wanting to make sure it doesn't happen again. Although I
know it can if the theif wants it they will get it, I just want to create
enought of a deterrent to make them think too much hassle.

It's one reason why I don't use expensive bikes. I have 2. One is
semi-decent and the other is one which no one in their right mind will
steal. It looks tatty but functions as well as any other bike.

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:32:55 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
It's one reason why I don't use expensive bikes. I have 2. One is
semi-decent and the other is one which no one in their right mind will
steal. It looks tatty but functions as well as any other bike.

Or maybe they'd steal it to use because they think it's tatty and won't
get stolen by someone else :-)

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:32:55 -0000 Fredxx wrote :
It's one reason why I don't use expensive bikes. I have 2. One is
semi-decent and the other is one which no one in their right mind
will steal. It looks tatty but functions as well as any other bike.

I've now got a Dahon folder - allegedly no one steals them! Back in
Twickenham I looked out my first floor office window to see some
low-life cutting through my bike lock: when I opened the window and
shouted at him he told me to mind my own business - fortunately he ran
off when confronted leaving the bike. It was only a cheap Chinese-made
one bought off eBay for £90 or so. Where do they end up?

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on' Melbourne, Australia
www.superbeam.co.uk www.superbeam.com www.greentram.com

In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Seconded - but they're not cheap

You might find someone hacksawing through your rear wheel just to steal
the chain

--
geoff

In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

I notice that the chain they are selling is much harder.
Does that mean its brittle and can be shattered with a heavy blow or two?


No dennis, they are virtually indestructible


--
geoff

Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers, but
surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product survives for a
minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3 seconds
with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers, but
surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product survives
for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3
seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.

You and your angle grinder. The next thing we'll know is that you lubricate
it with WD40!

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:42:36 +0000, Clot wrote:

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax. All
the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers, but
surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product survives for
a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3
seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.

You and your angle grinder. The next thing we'll know is that you
lubricate it with WD40!

Of course he doesn't - WD40 is not a lubricant...! (ducks)



--
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http://www.mirrorservice.org

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers, but
surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product survives for a
minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3 seconds
with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.


I so don't think so

The links are thicker than dennis

Don't forget, one doesn't usually park a bike close to a mains socket,
an Almax chain would tell a battery angle grinder to **** off and play
elsewhere


--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me
?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers,
but surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product
survives for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3
seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.


I so don't think so

The links are thicker than dennis

Don't forget, one doesn't usually park a bike close to a mains socket,
an Almax chain would tell a battery angle grinder to **** off and play
elsewhere

It didn't tell those bolt croppers to **** off did it?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:42:36 +0000, Clot wrote:

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for
me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers,
but surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product
survives for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3
seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.

You and your angle grinder. The next thing we'll know is that you
lubricate it with WD40!

Of course he doesn't - WD40 is not a lubricant...! (ducks)

Sigh. The list gets longer every day. Come the revolution....


--
Dave - WD40 Liberation Front.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
. ..
Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:42:36 +0000, Clot wrote:

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for
me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers,
but surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product
survives for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3
seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.

You and your angle grinder. The next thing we'll know is that you
lubricate it with WD40!

Of course he doesn't - WD40 is not a lubricant...! (ducks)

Sigh. The list gets longer every day.



quote

Keep flies off cows

If flies are tormenting your cows, just spray some WD-40 on the cows.
Flies hate the smell and they'll stay clear. Take care not to spray
any WD-40 in the cows' eyes.

/quote

http://www.rd.com/advice-and-know-ho...le24059-3.html

(Official Readers Digest website )


michael adams

....










--
Dave - WD40 Liberation Front.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:04:34 +0000, geoff wrote:
The links are thicker than dennis

He's now a unit of measurement? Is there a picoDennis for really really
small stuff?

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
geoff wrote:
In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me
?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers,
but surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product
survives for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the time.

I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in around 3
seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.


I so don't think so

The links are thicker than dennis

Don't forget, one doesn't usually park a bike close to a mains socket,
an Almax chain would tell a battery angle grinder to **** off and play
elsewhere

It didn't tell those bolt croppers to **** off did it?



Err yes it did IIRC



--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
geoff wrote:
In message , The
Medway Handyman writes
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for
me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers,
but surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product
survives for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the
time. I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in
around
3 seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.


I so don't think so

The links are thicker than dennis

Don't forget, one doesn't usually park a bike close to a mains
socket, an Almax chain would tell a battery angle grinder to ****
off and play elsewhere

It didn't tell those bolt croppers to **** off did it?



Err yes it did IIRC

The 'Granite' video is presented by a bird who claims its Thatcham Approved
5 Minute Tested & the geezer bolt cropped it in 25 seconds. £135? Bugger
that.

Angle grinder would have taken it out in half the time. Send me one, I'll
video it & post it on Youtube.

What I don't understand is why Almax have a video claiming their product
withstands attack for 5 mins, then shows it being shagged in 25 seconds.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 4 Nov, 00:36, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
geoff wrote:
In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
geoff wrote:
In message , The
Medway Handyman writes
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for
me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? *Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers,
but surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product
survives for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the
time. I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in
around
3 seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.

I so don't think so

The links are thicker than dennis

Don't forget, one doesn't usually park a bike close to a mains
socket, an Almax chain would tell a battery angle grinder to ****
off and play elsewhere

It didn't tell those bolt croppers to **** off did it?

Err yes it did IIRC

The 'Granite' video is presented by a bird who claims its Thatcham Approved
5 Minute Tested & the geezer bolt cropped it in 25 seconds. *£135? *Bugger
that.

Angle grinder would have taken it out in half the time. *Send me one, I'll
video it & post it on Youtube.

What I don't understand is why Almax have a video claiming their product
withstands attack for 5 mins, then shows it being shagged in 25 seconds.

--
Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Dave, you`ve been watching the wrong videos, all the other ones cut,
the Almax is case hardened and won`t bolt cropper at all.

Buried in the blurb is how some other chains claim longer grinder
resistance by being full hardened, which will slow grinding down, by a
few seconds....

Grinding is noisy but apparently unbeatable, no one has any replies to
grinder threat in container thread.

As mentioned hard becomes brittle, especially when chilled, presumably
hence ductile core and case hardening with Almax

2 big guys and a side loading van will have anything away and the
general public really dosen`t want to be involved.

Round key locks can suffer from picking by impressioning, check
youtube.

Almax might just have made a couple more sales though.

Cheers
Adam

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:14:53 -0800 (PST), Adam Aglionby wrote:

Grinding is noisy but apparently unbeatable, no one has any replies to
grinder threat in container thread.

Nothing is unbeatable when it comes down to it. Kevlar threads held
in a nonsetting gunk sandwiched between the skins would give an angle
grinder something to think about though. In bars, a free to rotate
hardened roller slows them down.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...
On 4 Nov, 00:36, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
geoff wrote:
In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
geoff wrote:
In message , The
Medway Handyman writes
Steve Walker wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for
me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Crikey, you're right - look at the videos on
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

£150 Abus Thatcham Approved blah blah Chain, cropped with simple
bolt-cutters in 25 seconds.

WTF is that all about? Granted he used a big FO pair of croppers,
but surely the video is meant to demonstrate that the product
survives for a minimum 5 mins?

Anywho, an angle grinder would have taken that out in half the
time. I removed the wire rope type lock from an adandoned bike in
around
3 seconds with my trusty angle grinder a few weeks ago.

I so don't think so

The links are thicker than dennis

Don't forget, one doesn't usually park a bike close to a mains
socket, an Almax chain would tell a battery angle grinder to ****
off and play elsewhere

It didn't tell those bolt croppers to **** off did it?

Err yes it did IIRC

The 'Granite' video is presented by a bird who claims its Thatcham
Approved
5 Minute Tested & the geezer bolt cropped it in 25 seconds. £135?
Bugger
that.

Angle grinder would have taken it out in half the time. Send me one,
I'll
video it & post it on Youtube.

What I don't understand is why Almax have a video claiming their product
withstands attack for 5 mins, then shows it being shagged in 25 seconds.

--
Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Dave, you`ve been watching the wrong videos, all the other ones cut,
the Almax is case hardened and won`t bolt cropper at all.

Case hardening isn't going to stop bolt cutters is it?
The core would deform and the case hardening just shear.
Maybe they harden the core and anneal it then fully harden the exterior?


Buried in the blurb is how some other chains claim longer grinder
resistance by being full hardened, which will slow grinding down, by a
few seconds....

Grinding is noisy but apparently unbeatable, no one has any replies to
grinder threat in container thread.

Well you could have hollow links filled with dye to deter cutting.


As mentioned hard becomes brittle, especially when chilled, presumably
hence ductile core and case hardening with Almax

Shh don't tell geoff he still thinks what I said was wrong, lets leave him
that way.


2 big guys and a side loading van will have anything away and the
general public really dosen`t want to be involved.

That's true, if you can't crop the chain you can chop what its fastened to.


Round key locks can suffer from picking by impressioning, check
youtube.

Almax might just have made a couple more sales though.


If you have time one of those flexible wire tile saws should cut through an
almax with virtual silence.
Wrap it around, saw through the case hardening, crop with bolt cutters.
I wonder how long it would take?

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:14:53 -0800 (PST), Adam Aglionby wrote:

Grinding is noisy but apparently unbeatable, no one has any replies to
grinder threat in container thread.

Nothing is unbeatable when it comes down to it. Kevlar threads held
in a nonsetting gunk sandwiched between the skins would give an angle
grinder something to think about though. In bars, a free to rotate
hardened roller slows them down.

That was before the invention of super glue.

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:07:43 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dubber"
saying something like:

The advice I'm after is what kind of lock(s) would be best for me ?

Only one make successfully resists attack for very long - Almax.
All the others are ****.

Aren't these designed for motorbikes? I'd have thought they would be
impractical to carry on a bicycle.

I take the pragmatic approach to locking my bike. Pick a good spot to
lock it and always lock it to a fixed object. If you have a nice bike
paint it a vile shade of pink to make it less attractive to theives.
Sheldon brown recommends using two different types of locks since they
would require different tools to break.

I use a single D lock, but I don't have a desirable bike.
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:47:54 -0000, dennis@home wrote:

In bars, a free to rotate hardened roller slows them down.

That was before the invention of super glue.

Super glue isn't that effective on metal and relies on fairly inimate
contact between the surfaces. Give the roller 1mm clearance and I
doubt super glue you have much effect.

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Dave.

On 4 Nov, 07:55, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

Nothing is unbeatable when it comes down to it. Kevlar threads held
in a nonsetting gunk sandwiched between the skins would give an angle
grinder something to think about though.

Diamond disk goes straight through, as it's not as clog-prone as grit
disks were. Nor is aramid (Kevlar) anything particularly magic.

A tougher bar for angle grinder resistance is scaff pipe filled with
concrete, where the aggregate is particularly hard. The traditional
material from safe manufacture was to use old tungsten carbide lathe
tooling inserts.

On 4 Nov, 10:22, Mark wrote:

Aren't these designed for motorbikes? *I'd have thought they would be
impractical to carry on a bicycle.

I don't carry my big lock when commuting, I have two and leave one at
each end.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:16:28 -0800 (PST)
Andy Dingley wrote:

On 4 Nov, 10:22, Mark wrote:

Aren't these designed for motorbikes? Â*I'd have thought they would be
impractical to carry on a bicycle.

I don't carry my big lock when commuting, I have two and leave one at
each end.


Ah! That's what all those chains left locked to nothing but the post
are at stations. The lock at the other end! Thanks, it's always
worried me.
R.

Clive George wrote:

After getting a bike nicked, the police recommended a fat chain to me. Which
is what I now have - stout chain + stout padlock.

The problem is: the more light-weight the bike is the more expensive it
is so the bigger, and heavier, the chain that is recommended. Which
rather goes against the principle of having a light-weight bike in the
first place.

Andrew

In article , michael adams
Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:30:19 writes

http://www.rd.com/advice-and-know-ho...or-wd-40/artic
le24059-3.html

I thought this was all serious stuff till I read:

Relieve arthritis symptoms
For occasional joint pain or arthritis symptoms in the knees or other
areas of the body, advocates swear by spraying WD-40 on the affected
area and massaging it in, saying it provides temporary relief and makes
movement easier. For severe, persistent pain, consult a health care
professional.
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On 4 Nov, 13:52, Andrew May wrote:

The problem is: the more light-weight the bike is the more expensive it
is so the bigger, and heavier, the chain that is recommended.

The "All bikes weigh 40 lbs" view

In message , "dennis@home"
writes
As mentioned hard becomes brittle, especially when chilled, presumably
hence ductile core and case hardening with Almax

Shh don't tell geoff he still thinks what I said was wrong, lets leave
him that way.

Tried whacking mine with a 4lb hammer today, just for you

about as useful as your geographical knowledge ...



Almax might just have made a couple more sales though.


If you have time one of those flexible wire tile saws should cut
through an almax with virtual silence.
Wrap it around, saw through the case hardening, crop with bolt cutters.
I wonder how long it would take?


Long enough


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geoff

On Nov 4, 2:01*pm, Les Desser wrote:
In article , michael adams
Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:30:19 writes

http://www.rd.com/advice-and-know-ho...or-wd-40/artic
le24059-3.html

I thought this was all serious stuff till I read:

Relieve arthritis symptoms
For occasional joint pain or arthritis symptoms in the knees or other
areas of the body, advocates swear by spraying WD-40 on the affected
area and massaging it in, saying it provides temporary relief and makes
movement easier. For severe, persistent pain, consult a health care
professional.

I don't understand your skepticism. I would have expected that to be
reasonably effective. Of course, massaging the affected area without
WD40 would also work (unlike magnets/copper bands/etc)

In article
,
Martin Bonner Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:06:47 writes

On Nov 4, 2:01*pm, Les Desser wrote:
In article , michael adams
Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:30:19 writes

http://www.rd.com/advice-and-know-ho...or-wd-40/artic
le24059-3.html

I thought this was all serious stuff till I read:

Relieve arthritis symptoms
For occasional joint pain or arthritis symptoms in the knees or other
areas of the body, advocates swear by spraying WD-40 on the affected
area and massaging it in, saying it provides temporary relief and makes
movement easier. For severe, persistent pain, consult a health care
professional.

I don't understand your skepticism. I would have expected that to be
reasonably effective. Of course, massaging the affected area without
WD40 would also work (unlike magnets/copper bands/etc)

Aha! It must be the ability of WD40 to penetrate stiff joints rather
than its lubrication properties - as I understand from here WD40 is not
a lubricant.
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Les Desser
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