On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:12:23 +0100, Rod wrote:

Jules wrote:


Interesting... me too. I thought I'd remembering seeing it in the highway
code, too ("if you have a spare it needs to be legal, but it's not a legal
requirement to carry one")


Of course, if it were a legal requirement for any spare to be legal,
what would you do with the one you just took off due to a puncture?

There is that. My assumption was that they'd accept an explanation of it
having just been changed due to a problem - but then that does raise the
question of how anyone would ever get in trouble over it...

Jules wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:12:23 +0100, Rod wrote:

Jules wrote:

Interesting... me too. I thought I'd remembering seeing it in the highway
code, too ("if you have a spare it needs to be legal, but it's not a legal
requirement to carry one")

Of course, if it were a legal requirement for any spare to be legal,
what would you do with the one you just took off due to a puncture?

There is that. My assumption was that they'd accept an explanation of it
having just been changed due to a problem - but then that does raise the
question of how anyone would ever get in trouble over it...


I went through this in my head something like 30 years ago when I got my
licence. Decided the only problem that could ever exist would be an
almost usable spare.

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Huge wrote:
On 2009-09-16, Adrian wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

BTW 15 inch tyres are beginning to be hard to get - at least in wide
sections.
Oh dear. Both my cars use them - 205 and 225.
It's true, though. Options are thinning, and prices rising. And don't
even ASK about 14" - the 195/70 14s on many later CXs (those not
inflicted with 390mm TRXs) are damn near unavailable.

The fronts on the TVR were 15" and I have changed to 16's because of the
poor choice of tyres - there were none at all in the correct speed ratings.


That was my first guess for Dave's car. 225s are MR2 rears and TVR
fronts, so the guy at the tyre dealer says. And nothing else.

Andy

In article ,
Andy Champ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2009-09-16, Adrian wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

BTW 15 inch tyres are beginning to be hard to get - at least in wide
sections.
Oh dear. Both my cars use them - 205 and 225.
It's true, though. Options are thinning, and prices rising. And don't
even ASK about 14" - the 195/70 14s on many later CXs (those not
inflicted with 390mm TRXs) are damn near unavailable.

The fronts on the TVR were 15" and I have changed to 16's because of
the poor choice of tyres - there were none at all in the correct speed
ratings.


That was my first guess for Dave's car. 225s are MR2 rears and TVR
fronts, so the guy at the tyre dealer says. And nothing else.

16" would be relatively easy on the '225' car, as they were an option so
could be bought secondhand. The only option on the '205' one was 14". ;-)

Andy

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On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.

I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.

I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.

Best regards,

Jon C.

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I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a new tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours got a local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go without at least a space saver again

On 16/06/2014 14:40, wrote:
On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare......

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I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a new tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours got a local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go without at least a space saver again


Do you realise you replied to a post that was nearly 5 years old?

Oh, you posted from Google Groups..... as you were.....

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On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.

I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.

I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.

Best regards,

Jon C.

--
Jonathan Campbell www.jgcampbell.com BT48, UK.

I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a new
tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours got a
local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go without at
least a space saver again

Similar situation. Wife has a 2008 Auris SR180. No spare wheel. Compressor &
aerosol of gunge instead.
Toyota cannot/will not supply a space saver spare even though there is ample
space in the well in the boot.
Have not yet been able to find anything compatible.
All rather worrying.
You might try the Auris forum at Toyota Owners Club. Last time I looked they
were pretty much stumped.
Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.

Nick.

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:53:14 +0100, Nick wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which
I've always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle
of gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been
said, and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in
maybe 20 years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to
temporarily remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing
tyres well before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.

I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by
severe kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin
a tyre with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.

I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.

Best regards,

Jon C.

--
Jonathan Campbell www.jgcampbell.com BT48, UK.

I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a
new tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours
got a local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go
without at least a space saver again

Similar situation. Wife has a 2008 Auris SR180. No spare wheel.
Compressor &
aerosol of gunge instead.
Toyota cannot/will not supply a space saver spare even though there is
ample space in the well in the boot.
Have not yet been able to find anything compatible.
All rather worrying.
You might try the Auris forum at Toyota Owners Club. Last time I looked
they were pretty much stumped.
Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.

Another danger is buying a space saver for those cars where there isn't
actually a storage space...I wonder how many people actually fix down
this potential 'missile'...


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wrote in message
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On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.

I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.

I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.

Best regards,

Jon C.

--
Jonathan Campbell www.jgcampbell.com BT48, UK.

I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a new
tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours got a
local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go without at
least a space saver again

The other good news is that the gunge is only a temporary repair.
Most tyre shops won't do a permanent repair and you have to buy a new tyre.

Nick wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.

I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.

I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.

Best regards,

Jon C.

--
Jonathan Campbell www.jgcampbell.com BT48, UK.

I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a new
tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours got a
local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go without at
least a space saver again

Similar situation. Wife has a 2008 Auris SR180. No spare wheel. Compressor &
aerosol of gunge instead.
Toyota cannot/will not supply a space saver spare even though there is ample
space in the well in the boot.
Have not yet been able to find anything compatible.
All rather worrying.
You might try the Auris forum at Toyota Owners Club. Last time I looked they
were pretty much stumped.
Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.

Nick.



Strange, my 2010 Auris (face lift 1.6) was supplied with a space saver
as standard. No suggestion of pump and gunge.

Chris K

"ChrisK" wrote in message
o.uk...
Nick wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of
gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been
said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to
temporarily
remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.

I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by
severe
kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.

I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.

Best regards,

Jon C.

--
Jonathan Campbell www.jgcampbell.com BT48, UK.

I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a
new
tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours got
a
local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go without at
least a space saver again

Similar situation. Wife has a 2008 Auris SR180. No spare wheel.
Compressor &
aerosol of gunge instead.
Toyota cannot/will not supply a space saver spare even though there is
ample
space in the well in the boot.
Have not yet been able to find anything compatible.
All rather worrying.
You might try the Auris forum at Toyota Owners Club. Last time I looked
they
were pretty much stumped.
Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.

Nick.



Strange, my 2010 Auris (face lift 1.6) was supplied with a space saver as
standard. No suggestion of pump and gunge.

Chris K

Ditto, my 2012 Auris has a space saver, and housing with fix down bolt.

Charles F



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I had this problem when I bought my C-3 Picasso last year. I really
didn't fancy the gunk/compresser set-up at all. I tried one of the road
wheels for size and found it fitted into the false floor space, with
room for the jack and wheel brace etc. I bought a steel rim from Citroen
spares and a tyre locally. Total was about £120 against about £65 for a
spacesaver, but I thought the difference was worth it. I retained the
compresser mainly because I discovered recently that many, if not all,
filling stations were charging for air!
Regards

Syke

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:53:14 +0100, Nick wrote:

Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill
or just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway? That's assuming
they have half a clue about how to change a wheel and to do the
nuts/bolts up properly...

But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:33:20 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill or
just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?

Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or an
hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?

('course, nobody but an utter ****nugget would do any of those anyway -
anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
to do either)

But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.

Look at the sheer size of the wheels and tyres available on most non-
pikey-spec modern stuff.

Adrian wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:33:20 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill or
just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?

Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or an
hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?

('course, nobody but an utter ****nugget would do any of those anyway -
anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
to do either)

Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
hand gesture?

But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.

Yep, it's nice to have a compressor come "free" with the car for the
occasional slow puncture, but the gunge is absolutely useless when
you've only got smoking ruins of a tyre left.

I will never buy a car without a spare of some type again, current car
has a space saver which I've used a couple of times, and I've bought a
cheapo compressor to sling in the boot.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:47:13 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill
or just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?

Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or
an hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?

('course, nobody but an utter ****nugget would do any of those anyway -
anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe
place to do either)

Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
hand gesture?

Hazard warning lights and slowing down are usually a good start... and
it's a LOT more fun than sitting stationary in L3 waiting for some
photocopier salesman with brain in neutral to not notice you.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Adrian wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:33:20 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill or
just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?

Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or an
hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?

('course, nobody but an utter ****nugget would do any of those anyway -
anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
to do either)

Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
hand gesture?

there is, you hang your ****ted undercrackers out of the window

On Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:47:13 AM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:

Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
hand gesture?

The pre-war gesture worked for me. Point to engine, make slit throat gesture.


NT

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 07:38:20 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote:

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a
hill or
just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?

Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or an
hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?

('course, nobody but an utter ****nugget would do any of those anyway -
anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
to do either)

There are plenty of ****nuggets out there. I bet many would say they
didn't want to go another 50 yards as it would damage the tyre. The
chances are the tyre is already ****ed, either due to the pucture or
simply by the driving on it just stopping after a sudden deflation.

They'll probably be the same ****nuggets who stop on brows of hills
or just round corners to answer/make a phone call.

Look at the sheer size of the wheels and tyres available on most non-
pikey-spec modern stuff.

Meh, tyres on my car are about 30" dia and 10" wide (255/55R18) full
size spare is on a bracket on the rear door. B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:47:13 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
hand gesture?

No but theer is an approved sound "pharrppp".

Just gotta hope that those in your immediate vicinty are vaguely
awake, not ****nuggets and get out of your way. People only a hundred
yards or so behind ought to see the explosion and have time to slow
down/brake/avoid without too much bother.

I will never buy a car without a spare of some type again, current car
has a space saver which I've used a couple of times, and I've bought a
cheapo compressor to sling in the boot.

Seem you have a lot of trouble with tyres. I've had just two
punctures in I'm not sure how many years as the first was so long ago
I'd almost forgotten about it. The last was this year, sharp bit of
road stone, worked it's way into the tread and a very slow puncture
became rather quicker few weeks. Was in the repairable area though.
B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

Just gotta hope that those in your immediate vicinty are vaguely
awake, not ****nuggets and get out of your way. People only a hundred
yards or so behind ought to see the explosion and have time to slow
down/brake/avoid without too much bother.

No problem with people behind, just the traffic by my side in lanes 1
and 2 who wouldn't see the off-side front anyway - with indicating and
hooting they got the point - or maybe they could lipread?

Seem you have a lot of trouble with tyres. I've had just two
punctures in I'm not sure how many years

The car on the motorway was a one-off, but my current car is a bit of a
nail magnet, had four repairable punctures in the first year of owning
it, thankfully only one more in the subsequent 2+ years.

On 18/06/2014 20:33, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:53:14 +0100, Nick wrote:

Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill
or just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway? That's assuming
they have half a clue about how to change a wheel and to do the
nuts/bolts up properly...

But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.


Last time I had a flat was on a rented van.

First I knew was a bang. I was in lane 1, and pulled over straight away.
I'm glad I didn't brake hard, because the tread had separated from the
walls...

And then I couldn't find the locking wheel nut key.

Andy

In message , Vir
Campestris writes
On 18/06/2014 20:33, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:53:14 +0100, Nick wrote:

Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.

Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill
or just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway? That's assuming
they have half a clue about how to change a wheel and to do the
nuts/bolts up properly...

But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.


Last time I had a flat was on a rented van.

First I knew was a bang. I was in lane 1, and pulled over straight
away. I'm glad I didn't brake hard, because the tread had separated
from the walls...

And then I couldn't find the locking wheel nut key.

Did you look in the ash tray?

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On 23/06/2014 08:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Vir
Campestris writes

And then I couldn't find the locking wheel nut key.

Did you look in the ash tray?

I Looked in lots of places. I even phoned the rental company to ask them
- and they didn't know.

The AA man found it though - somewhere up front, I forget where, but it
took him 15 seconds

Then the van rental company tried to charge me for the tyre.

And the AA man - who incidentally spotted nails in the _other_ rear tyre...

I ended up getting the rental for free, at the cost of about 3 hours out
of my day.

Andy

On Monday, September 14, 2009 at 2:26:19 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.

I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.

I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.

Best regards,

Jon C.

--
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I have just come home from having a puncture in the tyre of my Auris. I hit a pothole. The 'gunge' was absolutely useless, as the tyre was badly damaged. It can and does happen. The reasdon I am on this site is that I am looking for a 'get you home' wheel.

I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that tyres still puncture.

On 22/04/16 12:19, wrote:
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
tyres still puncture..

The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.

They call the AA etc.

Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
whatever.



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On 22/04/16 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/16 12:19, wrote:
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
tyres still puncture..

The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.

They call the AA etc.

Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
whatever.



e.g.

https://tyres.theaa.com/tyre-advice/...age/punctures/


where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
dangerous by and large etc etc...

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/16 12:19, wrote:
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
tyres still puncture..

The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.

Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
sensible level. Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
is generally found in the average wheel change kit.

They call the AA etc.

Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
whatever.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:34:31 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

NB: I notice that the OP was responding to a very old thread.


Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
sensible level.

Using a torque wrench set to the correct measurement of course rather
than just guessing.

On 22/04/16 12:34, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
sensible level. Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
is generally found in the average wheel change kit.

Depends. Usually there is some bit of tube you can fit over the wheelnut
thingie. Or a roick you can bash it with

I've manually fitted stuff to 100+lb ft using nothing more than a 3 ft
bar. Same goes for wheelnuts. Impact drivers still have to be held in
someone's hand. There's a limit to the torque.

Of course many people don't understand just how tight wheel nuts need to
be...


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Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:34:31 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

NB: I notice that the OP was responding to a very old thread.


Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
sensible level.

Using a torque wrench set to the correct measurement of course rather
than just guessing.


I use something of comparable length to the wrench in the toolkit,
tightened almost as hard as I can, on the assumption that the
manufacturer has supplied something adequate for the job :-)

With grease.

On Monday, September 14, 2009 at 2:26:19 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell
wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.

Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.

Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?

The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years

I think you've been lucky

I've had to do it 3 times in the last 5

tim

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 22/04/16 12:19, wrote:
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
tyres still puncture..

The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with a
puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.

They call the AA etc.

Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place,

how does that work ay 10pm?

or fit one on the spot or whatever.

where do they get the spare from?

tim

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:33:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/04/16 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/16 12:19, wrote:
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
tyres still puncture..

The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.

They call the AA etc.

Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
whatever.



e.g.

https://tyres.theaa.com/tyre-advice/...age/punctures/


where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
dangerous by and large etc etc...

Not really, it links to this
http://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover...flat-tyre.html
which is good advice, consistent with today's litigious culture.


It fails to mention that if you squirt the "gunk" that's provided
instead of a spare into the tyre, most tyre places wont repair the
puncture.





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Graham.

%Profound_observation%

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/16 12:34, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
sensible level. Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
is generally found in the average wheel change kit.

Depends. Usually there is some bit of tube you can fit over the wheelnut
thingie. Or a roick you can bash it with

I put a hollow metal desk leg in the boot of the missus's car. But I
expect she'd just call the AA anyway. But if she is, for some reason,
unable to call them, at least she'll have some chance.

I've manually fitted stuff to 100+lb ft using nothing more than a 3 ft
bar. Same goes for wheelnuts. Impact drivers still have to be held in
someone's hand. There's a limit to the torque.

Of course many people don't understand just how tight wheel nuts need to
be...

"Mark Allread" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:34:31 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

NB: I notice that the OP was responding to a very old thread.

So that's why I can't see the original

tim

On 22/04/16 13:00, tim... wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 22/04/16 12:19, wrote:
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
tyres still puncture..

The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman
with a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of
changing a wheel.

They call the AA etc.

Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place,

how does that work ay 10pm?

or fit one on the spot or whatever.

where do they get the spare from?

Dunno, My guess is they have depots

tim





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too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 22/04/16 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/16 12:19, wrote:
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
tyres still puncture..

The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a
wheel.

They call the AA etc.

Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
whatever.



e.g.

https://tyres.theaa.com/tyre-advice/...age/punctures/


where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
dangerous by and large etc etc...

actually they say

"don't fit it at the side of the road"

on two of the three occasions I have had a flat it was so slow that I didn't
notice it until I tried to use the car the next day.

In both cases it was in a (different) hotel car park and quite unreasonable
for anyone to say it was unsafe to change a wheel in that location,
especially as justification for not supplying a spare in the first place

tim





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"Saki"

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:19:07 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, September 14, 2009 at 2:26:19 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.

Do be aware that the original message was posted in 2009.

On 22/04/2016 12:34, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
is generally found in the average wheel change kit.


The tyre outlet I use have always first used the air tool and then
torqued the nuts using a manual torque wrench

I've always supplemented the tool kit for my car with an telescopic
wheel socket

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Automotive/d60/Automotive+Wrenches/sd3332/Telescopic+Wheel+Wrench/p93520

http://tinyurl.com/glwnyze

In 10 years I've had 2 punctures where I've had to fit a space saving
spare wheel. Both times the puncture has been subsequently successfully
repaired.


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