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A friend has just discovered a wasps nest in the upper left-hand corner
of one of the upstairs windows. It's on the outside of the house and so has been exposed to the cold, the wind and the rain that we've been getting of late. A couple of weeks ago it hit -2C overnight but for the past few days it's been more around +11C. No wasps have been seen since she noticed the nest (she wasn't living there during the summer) but what's the chances that there are still some live ones in there that are liable to give me a nasty stinging if I get up a ladder to get the bloody thing down? Jell |
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:38:15 +0000 someone who may be JellyBelly
wrote this:- No wasps have been seen since she noticed the nest (she wasn't living there during the summer) but what's the chances that there are still some live ones in there that are liable to give me a nasty stinging if I get up a ladder to get the bloody thing down? 1) spray some expanding foam in the hole. 2) drink a cup of tea. 3) use knife to cut nest from window. 4) burn the nasty little devils. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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from Huge contains these words: Nil. They'll all be dead apart from the queen who'll be tucked up somewhere warm and dry waiting for spring. Balmoral? -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:38:15 +0000 someone who may be JellyBelly wrote this:- No wasps have been seen since she noticed the nest (she wasn't living there during the summer) but what's the chances that there are still some live ones in there that are liable to give me a nasty stinging if I get up a ladder to get the bloody thing down? 1) spray some expanding foam in the hole. Not necessary, there won't be any wasps left in the nest. If you try to spray expanding foam into the opening the whole thing will collapse. 3) use knife to cut nest from window. There's no need to cut it down even, unless you want to. Wasps won't use it again. If you do cut it down do it carefully, the outside envelope is vey fragile. When it's down cut it in half, carefully, with a bread knife and show the children the marvellous architecture of the construction. 4) burn the nasty little devils. They're not nasty. I thought better of you, David. Mary |
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"Guy King" wrote in message ... The message from Huge contains these words: Nil. They'll all be dead apart from the queen who'll be tucked up somewhere warm and dry waiting for spring. Huge, you're wrong. The old queen dies off along with the workers. Only new queens hibernate, they're the ones who will found new nests in the spring if they survive. Mary |
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from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: If you do cut it down do it carefully, the outside envelope is vey fragile. When it's down cut it in half, carefully, with a bread knife and show the children the marvellous architecture of the construction. They really are seriously impressive inside. I took a sectioned one to my son's primary school once - the kids were dead impressed. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:43:58 -0000, Mary Fisher wrote:
3) use knife to cut nest from window. There's no need to cut it down even, unless you want to. Wasps won't use it again. I'm tempted to ask how big it is? Golf ball on a stem or bigger? If you do cut it down do it carefully, the outside envelope is vey fragile. When it's down cut it in half, carefully, with a bread knife and show the children the marvellous architecture of the construction. Hear, hear, they are amazingly intricate and delicate constructions. See if a local Primary School has a teacher who could use it in lessons (mind I'm not sure that a "nature table" features in the modern curriculem). Or better still offer to give a small talk about wasps showing the nest. Wasps suffer a very bad press but are really fascinating, inquisitive and helpful creatures. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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"Guy King" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: If you do cut it down do it carefully, the outside envelope is vey fragile. When it's down cut it in half, carefully, with a bread knife and show the children the marvellous architecture of the construction. They really are seriously impressive inside. I took a sectioned one to my son's primary school once - the kids were dead impressed. Yes, and there are several different kinds of 'paper' although they're all made from the same source. Mary -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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Mary Fisher wrote: "David Hansen" head full of wrote in message 4) burn the nasty little devils. They're not nasty. Forgive him his ignorance. So many stupid people living in towns and cities don't have a clue about the planet they live on. You could almost feel sorry for the clods if they were not such clods. |
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Mary Fisher wrote: "David Hansen" head full of wrote in message 4) burn the nasty little devils. They're not nasty. Forgive him his ignorance. So many stupid people living in towns and cities don't have a clue about the planet they live on. You could almost feel sorry for the clods if they were not such clods. |
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Mike wrote: Forgive him his ignorance. So many stupid people living in towns and cities don't have a clue about the planet they live on. You could almost feel sorry for the clods if they were not such clods. And those that post things twice :-) I hardly think that the people behind the Google Usenet interface are clods but then again they must be archetypical geeks. |
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On 27 Nov 2006 14:44:05 -0800 someone who may be "Weatherlawyer"
wrote this:- Forgive him his ignorance. So many stupid people living in towns and cities don't have a clue about the planet they live on. You could almost feel sorry for the clods if they were not such clods. Extremely excellent, personal abuse and mind reading in one post. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:43:58 -0000 someone who may be "Mary Fisher"
wrote this:- If you do cut it down do it carefully, the outside envelope is vey fragile. When it's down cut it in half, carefully, with a bread knife and show the children the marvellous architecture of the construction. I bow to your superior knowledge. Provided there are no wasps in the thing I'm sure the nest is very interesting inside. 4) burn the nasty little devils. They're not nasty. I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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On Nov 28, 12:49 am, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: Mike wrote: Forgive him his ignorance. So many stupid people living in towns and cities don't have a clue about the planet they live on. You could almost feel sorry for the clods if they were not such clods. And those that post things twice :-) I hardly think that the people behind the Google Usenet interface are clods A poor workman always blames his tools ;-) MBQ |
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David Hansen wrote: I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. Hmm.... we have a beekeeper keeping his hives just down the road. The strain of bee he uses is a nasty sort of yellow looking thing, very aggressive when trapped inside the house. We have been told that he uses these aggressive bees because they produce the best honey. Not much comfort to SWMBO, who is liable to go into a dangerous shock if stung. (( -- Tony Williams. |
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from David Hansen contains these words: I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. You must have different wasps from us. Ours don't sting unless you poke 'em first. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... On 27 Nov 2006 14:44:25 -0800, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: Mary Fisher wrote: "David Hansen" head full of wrote in message 4) burn the nasty little devils. They're not nasty. Forgive him his ignorance. So many stupid people living in towns and cities don't have a clue about the planet they live on. You could almost feel sorry for the clods if they were not such clods. That's uncalled for. I live in the inner city yet have handled more wasps and their nests than most people living anywhere else. Wasps live everywhere. I stood barefooted on one once - that was a nasty one! By damn was it painful - for the wasp too I suppose. Wasp stings ARE painful, I sometimes have a very bad reaction to them but that doesn't make the wasps nasty. They sting to defend themselves. A lot of people inflict pain on other people even though they're not defending themselves, that doesn't mean that all people are nasty. Mary |
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"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:43:58 -0000 someone who may be "Mary Fisher" wrote this:- If you do cut it down do it carefully, the outside envelope is vey fragile. When it's down cut it in half, carefully, with a bread knife and show the children the marvellous architecture of the construction. I bow to your superior knowledge. Provided there are no wasps in the thing I'm sure the nest is very interesting inside. 4) burn the nasty little devils. They're not nasty. I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. Wasps and honey bees can appear agressive if you're thinking anthropomorphically but they are both defensive. Wasps are more intelligent than bees, they've evolved further.. I wonder if you're thinking about bumble bees which are less defensive (but wll sting) or solitary bees which can't sting ... it's a very bit subject which I've studied for many years. Mary |
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"Tony Williams" wrote in message ... In article , David Hansen wrote: I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. Hmm.... we have a beekeeper keeping his hives just down the road. The strain of bee he uses is a nasty sort of yellow looking thing, very aggressive when trapped inside the house. We have been told that he uses these aggressive bees because they produce the best honey. Not true. Not much comfort to SWMBO, who is liable to go into a dangerous shock if stung. (( So am I but I take care not to be stung. A beekeeper is more likely to be stung than anyone else because s/he causes a defensive response by invading the nest. Mary |
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"Guy King" wrote in message ... The message from David Hansen contains these words: I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. You must have different wasps from us. Ours don't sting unless you poke 'em first. Or otherwise (innocently perhaps) threaten them. Mary |
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from Huge contains these words: Nil. They'll all be dead apart from the queen who'll be tucked up somewhere warm and dry waiting for spring. Balmoral? I said warm and dry! Indoors I'm sure it's very snug. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: Wasps and honey bees can appear agressive if you're thinking anthropomorphically but they are both defensive. My grandmother felt sorry for the bees one very cold spring morning (this was in the 1920s some time) and took them a saucer of warm sugary water. Two bees shot out of the hive and stung her, one on each eyelid. She rather lost her sympathy for them at that point - it took her over a week to regain her sight properly. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: You must have different wasps from us. Ours don't sting unless you poke 'em first. Or otherwise (innocently perhaps) threaten them. Well clearly, sitting on them or catching one in the fold of your elbow will fail to impress upon them your otherwise gentle intentions. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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"Guy King" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: You must have different wasps from us. Ours don't sting unless you poke 'em first. Or otherwise (innocently perhaps) threaten them. Well clearly, sitting on them or catching one in the fold of your elbow will fail to impress upon them your otherwise gentle intentions. Quite. People often claim that they did nothing but if a wasp lands on you and you move and a bit of shirt brushes against it it will defend itself from the attacker. It knows nothing about shirts. Mary -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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"Guy King" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: Wasps and honey bees can appear agressive if you're thinking anthropomorphically but they are both defensive. My grandmother felt sorry for the bees one very cold spring morning (this was in the 1920s some time) and took them a saucer of warm sugary water. Two bees shot out of the hive and stung her, one on each eyelid. She rather lost her sympathy for them at that point - it took her over a week to regain her sight properly. That's awful for your grandma :-( But you shouldn't disturb a beehive when it's cold - passing in front of a hive entrance is disturbance enough. They don't think like us - and we don't think like them. Mary |
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In message , Mike
writes On 27 Nov 2006 14:44:25 -0800, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: Mary Fisher wrote: "David Hansen" head full of wrote in message 4) burn the nasty little devils. They're not nasty. Forgive him his ignorance. So many stupid people living in towns and cities don't have a clue about the planet they live on. You could almost feel sorry for the clods if they were not such clods. And those that post things twice :-) I stood barefooted on one once - that was a nasty one! By damn was it painful - for the wasp too I suppose. I've been stung in the past two summers by wasps in totally unprovoked attacks I wasn't making any fast movements, nothing to annoy them, just stung Killing's to good for the buggers I do enjoy watching them alighting on a lily leaf and having a drink from the pond -- geoff |
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In article , Guy King wrote:
Nil. They'll all be dead apart from the queen who'll be tucked up somewhere warm and dry waiting for spring. Balmoral? Which part of "dry and warm" did you misunderstand? G (OK, the snug bar of the Coach and Horses was quite warm and dry last time I was in Ballater, but the rest of the village was typical for Deeside in the winter.) -- Aidan Aberdeen, Scotland Written at Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:35 GMT, but posted later. |
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In article om, Dave
Liquorice wrote: Wasps suffer a very bad press but are really fascinating, inquisitive and helpful creatures. Ichneumonidae ? (Sorry about the spelling?) The ones that gave even Darwin the willies. But yes, wonderful beasts. I've never understood people who are scared of them. -- Aidan Aberdeen, Scotland Written at Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:19 GMT, but posted later. |
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In article , David Hansen
wrote: On 27 Nov 2006 14:44:05 -0800 someone who may be "Weatherlawyer" wrote this:- [SNIP] Extremely excellent, personal abuse and mind reading in one post. Typical of the "thing". He's a troll elsewhere, and just as much a waste of electrons. Now how come he's out of my kill file here? -- Aidan Aberdeen, Scotland Written at Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:23 GMT, but posted later. |
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In article , Mary
Fisher wrote: Wasps are more intelligent than bees, they've evolved further.. Having evolved "further" does not necessarily imply having developed more "intelligence" (whatever *that* is). Some (literally) brainless parasites are highly developed "higher" animals. They've just developed along a developmental arc that doesn't involve having brains, so they've lost theirs. it's a very bit subject which I've studied for many years. Big subject indeed. Fascinating animals. -- Aidan Aberdeen, Scotland Written at Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:26 GMT, but posted later. |
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Tony Williams wrote: In article , David Hansen wrote: I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. Hmm.... we have a beekeeper keeping his hives just down the road. The strain of bee he uses is a nasty sort of yellow looking thing, very aggressive when trapped inside the house. We have been told that he uses these aggressive bees because they produce the best honey. Not much comfort to SWMBO, who is liable to go into a dangerous shock if stung. (( -- Tony Williams. I've thought for quite a while that 'honey' bees are getting a less good-natured. I'm making the effort to encourage some solitary bees into my garden though, having had them living in my brick chimney wall in the old place for about a decade and finding them intriguing and very docile. I wasn't able to persuade any to use my solitary bee-house to take up residence in the spring/summer that I had to move out, so didn't hold out much hope, but this spring (the first in the new place) I'm delighted to find solitary bees busily nesting in two of the tubes in the house, so I expect a multiplying population of them when they hatch out in the coming spring. It was fascinating watching them collect mud where I'd watered a plant in to take back and stopper the tube with. Honey bees and wasps I don't like, though I try and tolerate them (unless indoors - bees are captured and put out, wasps often don't get afforded the same treatment as they just seem to be hell-bent on coming back in). Solitary bees I adore. I hear they're better pollinators than honey bees too, though no idea if that's just rumour. Velvet |
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"Velvet" wrote in message
ups.com... I wasn't able to persuade any to use my solitary bee-house to take up residence in the spring/summer that I had to move out, so didn't hold out much hope, but this spring (the first in the new place) I'm delighted to find solitary bees busily nesting in two of the tubes in the house, so I expect a multiplying population of them when they hatch out in the coming spring. It was fascinating watching them collect mud where I'd watered a plant in to take back and stopper the tube with. Our Sedum (poss sedum telephuim?) seems very attractive to bumble bees. (does that help for solitary ones?) cheers, clive |
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Velvet wrote: Tony Williams wrote: In article , David Hansen wrote: I disagree. They are rather too aggressive for my liking, unlike bees which are welcome. Hmm.... we have a beekeeper keeping his hives just down the road. The strain of bee he uses is a nasty sort of yellow looking thing, very aggressive when trapped inside the house. We have been told that he uses these aggressive bees because they produce the best honey. Not much comfort to SWMBO, who is liable to go into a dangerous shock if stung. (( -- Tony Williams. I've thought for quite a while that 'honey' bees are getting a less good-natured. I'm making the effort to encourage some solitary bees into my garden though, having had them living in my brick chimney wall in the old place for about a decade and finding them intriguing and very docile. I wasn't able to persuade any to use my solitary bee-house to take up residence in the spring/summer that I had to move out, so didn't hold out much hope, but this spring (the first in the new place) I'm delighted to find solitary bees busily nesting in two of the tubes in the house, so I expect a multiplying population of them when they hatch out in the coming spring. It was fascinating watching them collect mud where I'd watered a plant in to take back and stopper the tube with. Honey bees and wasps I don't like, though I try and tolerate them (unless indoors - bees are captured and put out, wasps often don't get afforded the same treatment as they just seem to be hell-bent on coming back in). Solitary bees I adore. I hear they're better pollinators than honey bees too, though no idea if that's just rumour. Velvet I torched my daughters playhouse two summers ago due to wasps!!, I went in to clean it out to find a bloody big nest in there, right I thought flyspray'll do the trick. 30 seconds after the first squirt and 10 - 15 stings in i gave up and ran out slamming the door behind me, 20 -30 of the buggers came with me though. Quick run round the garden ( not used to running 16st and built for comfort not for speed). Suitably infuriated at the cheek of the little blighters the red mist was well and truly down, before I knew it I had doused the playhouse with petrol from the mower can, leaving a trail up to it, light trail at arms length and stood well back as it says on the tin, the mushroom cloud was most impressive and got a few woo's and even a sceam from the neighbours. After I ranted at them not to call the fire brigade they realised I'd lost the plot and went inside to close their windows due to the smoke. the playhouse burnt well and behaved itself falling in on itself while burning, I put a bit more rubbish that I had lying about on it while I had a fire going, and it smouldered itsef to nothing in a few hours. Raked up the ashes, grass seeded the scorch mark and you'd never know it was there now :-) Anyone else got an extreme wasp story ?? That was the last "red mist" episode I've had !! thankfully they are few and far between :-) |
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Clive George wrote: "Velvet" wrote in message ups.com... I wasn't able to persuade any to use my solitary bee-house to take up residence in the spring/summer that I had to move out, so didn't hold out much hope, but this spring (the first in the new place) I'm delighted to find solitary bees busily nesting in two of the tubes in the house, so I expect a multiplying population of them when they hatch out in the coming spring. It was fascinating watching them collect mud where I'd watered a plant in to take back and stopper the tube with. Our Sedum (poss sedum telephuim?) seems very attractive to bumble bees. (does that help for solitary ones?) cheers, clive Haven't the foggiest. Solitary bees seem to be out very early in the spring compared to other bees, so I guess earlier flowering things would be good to provide. I have a feeling they're rumoured to be excellent for fruit trees due to waking earlier than the honeys, but I'm not at all an expert on any of them - I just like the docile little creatures (whereas dislike to outright fear is a factor of honeybees and wasps). |
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"Aidan Karley" wrote in message r... In article om, Dave Liquorice wrote: Wasps suffer a very bad press but are really fascinating, inquisitive and helpful creatures. Ichneumonidae ? (Sorry about the spelling?) No, vespidae. More specifically, vespa vulgaris, the common wasp, known as yellowjackets by USAians. Mary |
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"Velvet" wrote in message ups.com... Honey bees and wasps I don't like, though I try and tolerate them (unless indoors - bees are captured and put out, Honey bees rarely go into houses. wasps often don't get afforded the same treatment as they just seem to be hell-bent on coming back in). That must be because you're providing something to attract them. They don't come in for your company. Solitary bees I adore. I hear they're better pollinators than honey bees too, though no idea if that's just rumour. Some are better at some pollination in some areas. Mary Velvet |
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"Velvet" wrote in message oups.com... Haven't the foggiest. Solitary bees seem to be out very early in the spring compared to other bees, so I guess earlier flowering things would be good to provide. I have a feeling they're rumoured to be excellent for fruit trees due to waking earlier than the honeys, but I'm not at all an expert on any of them - I just like the docile little creatures (whereas dislike to outright fear is a factor of honeybees and wasps). The rumour about pollination of fruit trees is wrong. Top fruit tree blossom doesn't start to produce nectar until the temperature is higher than it is in the morning. That's why grass is kept weed-free. Dandelions and some other 'weeds' begin to produce nectar at lower temperatures than fruit trees and once honey bees have begun to forage on a particular plant they'll continue until the supply is exhausted. The bees are drawn to the blossom by nectar, not pollen, they can't help pollinating the flowers whhilie they're collecting nectar. Beehives are hired by fruit growers at pollination time, they don't hire solitary bees for the purpose. Mary |
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"Staffbull" wrote in message oups.com... I torched my daughters playhouse two summers ago due to wasps!!, .... Raked up the ashes, grass seeded the scorch mark and you'd never know it was there now :-) Did you feel better after that? More manly?? Next time you have what you consider to be a problem like that call the local authority or a beekeeper. You might well have to pay for the service of removal but it could be cheaper than a new playhouse. |
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"Aidan Karley" wrote in message r... In article , Mary Fisher wrote: Wasps are more intelligent than bees, they've evolved further.. Having evolved "further" does not necessarily imply having developed more "intelligence" (whatever *that* is). I didn't say that it was. |
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