Whats the most effective way of dealing with a wasps nest in our loft ?

TIA,

Cg...

"johnnybegood" wrote in message
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Whats the most effective way of dealing with a wasps nest in our loft ?

TIA,

Cg...

Be careful & cover yourself well if you're tackling it yourself...(my
advice - get an expert in)

Standard anti-ant (& wasp) powder from Wilko's and the like is all you need.
Locate the entry hole and puff generously into it (using a lance if poss,
and from a distance if poss). Wasps will emerge rapidly & have a go at you
if you are near. If they emerge white (covered in the powder), it's working
OK. Within a few minutes you should see some of the (whitened) varmints
lying on the ground. Job done.

If you actually want to remove the nest (once there's no sign of activity of
course) you may be able to remove it entire from within the loft if you can
get to it, otherwise you may need to just destroy it by breaking it up. I
understand they don't usually return to an 'old' nest though.

Maybe other responders will have more expert advice - mine is based on
having 3 wasps nests in the loft over several years. I have a healthy
respect for wasps now & keep out of their way!

Good luck.

In article ,
"johnnybegood" writes:
Whats the most effective way of dealing with a wasps nest in our loft ?

Leaving it alone.
If they are entering via some broken/missing building material,
repair it at the end of the season when they've all died.

If for some reason you must get rid of it (as has happened in
the case of a couple of nests I had), you might have a read of
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-...c?dmode=source
for my way of dealing with it.

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:06:23 UTC, "johnnybegood" wrote:

Whats the most effective way of dealing with a wasps nest in our loft ?

Mary will be along in a minute to tell you to leave the dear little
waspies alone, and probably to feed them too!

Others will have real ideas...in my case I just bought some proprietary
wasp nest treatment.

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In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

Mary will be along in a minute to tell you to leave the dear little
waspies alone, and probably to feed them too!

Not just Mary. There are many of us that object to senseless killing.

Others will have real ideas...in my case I just bought some proprietary
wasp nest treatment.

How about leaving them alone?


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In message , johnnybegood
writes
Whats the most effective way of dealing with a wasps nest in our loft ?


I tried various methods for a wasps nest in a restricted area of my
loft. The only method which really worked was to spray Nippon powder
(for ants) around the area that they entered the loft space


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In article ,
says...
Whats the most effective way of dealing with a wasps nest in our loft ?

Ignore it - they'll be gone in a few weeks.

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:39:16 UTC, "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"
wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

Mary will be along in a minute to tell you to leave the dear little
waspies alone, and probably to feed them too!

Not just Mary. There are many of us that object to senseless killing.

Others will have real ideas...in my case I just bought some proprietary
wasp nest treatment.

How about leaving them alone?

Because I didn't want to.

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"Rob Morley" wrote in message
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In article ,
Ignore it - they'll be gone in a few weeks.

Not really an option if the nest entrance is immediately above a young kid's
fanlight window & the wasps lose their way and fly into the bedroom all the
time... As was the case with us.

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:18:05 UTC, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
How about leaving them alone?

Because I didn't want to.

That's why someone might come along and throw a brick through your windows,
daub swear words on your wall, and successfully call for the police when you
threaten them.

So do you have a better reason than mindless vandals?

Yes...just because I don't want to share it, doesn't make it any less
valid.
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In article , P-Jenkins2
@ntlworld.com says...

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
Ignore it - they'll be gone in a few weeks.

Not really an option if the nest entrance is immediately above a young kid's
fanlight window & the wasps lose their way and fly into the bedroom all the
time... As was the case with us.

So stick a bug screen across the window - that will keep any bug out,
not just a few wasps.

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , P-Jenkins2
@ntlworld.com says...

Not really an option if the nest entrance is immediately above a young
kid's
fanlight window & the wasps lose their way and fly into the bedroom all
the
time... As was the case with us.

So stick a bug screen across the window - that will keep any bug out,
not just a few wasps.

Yes, I suppose that would have been an option, but not the one we preferred
at that time. Chacun a son gout. The OP asked how to deal with wasps, not
how to live in harmony with them.

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ,

That's why someone might come along and throw a brick through your
windows,
daub swear words on your wall, and successfully call for the police when
you
threaten them.

So do you have a better reason than mindless vandals?

What are you blathering on about? And how is it relevant to the issue at
hand?

In article , P-Jenkins2
@ntlworld.com says...

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ,

That's why someone might come along and throw a brick through your
windows,
daub swear words on your wall, and successfully call for the police when
you
threaten them.

So do you have a better reason than mindless vandals?

What are you blathering on about? And how is it relevant to the issue at
hand?

See something, take a dislike to it, decide to smash it up (or kill it).
Or maybe you're just bored and fancy a bit of wanton destruction.

Pete Jenkins wrote:
"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...

In article ,
Ignore it - they'll be gone in a few weeks.


Not really an option if the nest entrance is immediately above a young kid's
fanlight window & the wasps lose their way and fly into the bedroom all the
time... As was the case with us.


If it's been there all summer, and he's only just noticed, it can't be
causing that kind of problem.

I ignored the one on our house - until the neighbours told us they kept
getting lost into their baby's bedroom.

Andy

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
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Pete Jenkins wrote:
"Rob Morley" wrote in message
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In article ,
Ignore it - they'll be gone in a few weeks.


Last night, I was sitting on the toilet, trousers around my ankles,
suffering and attack of diaror...diahorrore....the trots. When i was able to
stand, I flushed, and pulled up said trousers, only to be stung on the thigh
by a lethargic wasp which had come in thruogh the bathroom window, and
settled on my waistband. I killed - sorry -murdered the wasp on the spot,
and called my wife, asking her to suck the poison out immediately. "Not on
your life!" was her sympathetic reply, ansd she proceeded to dab the
reddening sting with vinegar, which did not help in the slightest. Now, I
had been minding my own business, so to speak, when this thug attacked, so I
am all in favour of getting rid of the buggers on sight. As it happened, I
dropped the corpse into the toilet bowl, and my second attack of
di.....trots a few minutes later resulted in poetic justice on the head of
the wasp. I now check carefully every time I go in, and before pulling
trousers up - after all, a couple of inches to the right, and the wife
wouldn't even have applied vinegar, let alone..........

ZD

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:06:23 UTC, "johnnybegood" wrote:

Whats the most effective way of dealing with a wasps nest in our loft ?

Mary will be along in a minute to tell you to leave the dear little
waspies alone, and probably to feed them too!

You don't know much about wasps! I can't feed them, nor could you.

Mary

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
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In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

Mary will be along in a minute to tell you to leave the dear little
waspies alone, and probably to feed them too!

Not just Mary. There are many of us that object to senseless killing.

Others will have real ideas...in my case I just bought some proprietary
wasp nest treatment.

How about leaving them alone?

There's no point in doing anything else. They'll all be dying off soon,
apart from the new queens who won't stay in the nest.

Mary

"Jeff" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:39:16 +0100, "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"
wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

Mary will be along in a minute to tell you to leave the dear little
waspies alone, and probably to feed them too!

Not just Mary. There are many of us that object to senseless killing.

Thing is, once they start coming into the house in numbers, you _have_
to do something. We were forced to kill a few big ones, those that
refused to leave voluntarily though opened windows.....

Why were you force to kill them?

Mary





Others will have real ideas...in my case I just bought some proprietary
wasp nest treatment.

How about leaving them alone?


We were advised by the council pest control to do just that. He also
said as a last resort to buy a spray which projects about 3m (keeping
you out of the way of angry wasps). He said that one only needs to hit
a few wasps to kill the entire nest off. We bought the spray but
followed his advice to leave them to die off (we had no idea they did
this) and then blocked off the entrance to the nest.

We found if we left them alone, in general, they reciprocated
Regards, Jeff.

"Pete Jenkins" wrote in message
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"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
Ignore it - they'll be gone in a few weeks.

Not really an option if the nest entrance is immediately above a young
kid's
fanlight window & the wasps lose their way and fly into the bedroom all
the
time... As was the case with us.

Close the window.

Kill the kid.

Mary

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:07:47 GMT, Zipadee Doodar wrote:

Now, I had been minding my own business, so to speak, when this thug
attacked,

Hang on, you attacked it first by trying to crush it between your
trousers and thigh. It retaliated in the only way it could by
stinging, indeed that tactic worked (for a while).

BTW I don't blame you for killing that one but the wanton destruction
of a whole nest this late in the season is just silly. A few weeks
time an it'll be dead. And how come this nest has only just become a
"problem" it'll have been there since late spring...

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:07:47 GMT, Zipadee Doodar wrote:

Now, I had been minding my own business, so to speak, when this thug
attacked,

Hang on, you attacked it first by trying to crush it between your
trousers and thigh. It retaliated in the only way it could by
stinging, indeed that tactic worked (for a while).

BTW I don't blame you for killing that one but the wanton destruction
of a whole nest this late in the season is just silly.

In your opinion !!.

2 weeks ago, we killed 8 in one day that had found their way into our house.

My wife was also stung resulting in her arm swelling to twice it's normal
size due to an allergic reaction !.

She has MS, so could have done without any additional problems with her
health !.




A few weeks
time an it'll be dead.

Ok, so you're suggesting we have to remain indoors for the next few weeks,
while these F*****s come and go as they please ?.

Until then we can't open our back door/patio door or venture into the garden
?.


And how come this nest has only just become a
"problem" it'll have been there since late spring...

What are you suggesting, that every late spring we should spend some time
hunting for wasps nests in order to ensure we find the "problem" as early as
possible?.

Anyway, don't wasps become more aggravated towards the end of their lives,
thus becoming more likely to attack ??.


woodglass








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news.blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
2 weeks ago, we killed 8 in one day that had found their way into our house.

My wife was also stung resulting in her arm swelling to twice it's normal
size due to an allergic reaction !

To what extent was this caused by attempted swatting of wasps that made one
retaliate? Be honest.

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"John Cartmell" wrote in message
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In article ,
news.blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
2 weeks ago, we killed 8 in one day that had found their way into our
house.

My wife was also stung resulting in her arm swelling to twice it's
normal
size due to an allergic reaction !

To what extent was this caused by attempted swatting of wasps that made
one
retaliate? Be honest.

None, she was lying in bed reading & was totally unaware the wasp was there
until it stung her !






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"news.blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message
news

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:07:47 GMT, Zipadee Doodar wrote:

Now, I had been minding my own business, so to speak, when this thug
attacked,

Hang on, you attacked it first by trying to crush it between your
trousers and thigh. It retaliated in the only way it could by
stinging, indeed that tactic worked (for a while).

BTW I don't blame you for killing that one but the wanton destruction
of a whole nest this late in the season is just silly.

Yes.

In your opinion !!.

Not opinion, fact.

2 weeks ago, we killed 8 in one day that had found their way into our
house.

Big Man!

My wife was also stung resulting in her arm swelling to twice it's normal
size due to an allergic reaction !.

That's a local reaction, not an allergy.


A few weeks
time an it'll be dead.

Ok, so you're suggesting we have to remain indoors for the next few weeks,
while these F*****s come and go as they please ?.

They're not capable of mating.

Until then we can't open our back door/patio door or venture into the
garden
?.

Of course you can. If you dispose of one nest there will still be very many
flying insects around. Many will be wasps from other nests.


And how come this nest has only just become a
"problem" it'll have been there since late spring...

What are you suggesting, that every late spring we should spend some time
hunting for wasps nests in order to ensure we find the "problem" as early
as
possible?.

It wasn't a problem until now - at least, you didn't notice the wasps so
didn't perceive it as a problem.

Anyway, don't wasps become more aggravated towards the end of their lives,
thus becoming more likely to attack ??.

No. That's men.

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"news.blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message
news

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:07:47 GMT, Zipadee Doodar wrote:

Now, I had been minding my own business, so to speak, when this thug
attacked,

Hang on, you attacked it first by trying to crush it between your
trousers and thigh. It retaliated in the only way it could by
stinging, indeed that tactic worked (for a while).

BTW I don't blame you for killing that one but the wanton destruction
of a whole nest this late in the season is just silly.

Yes.

In your opinion !!.

Not opinion, fact.

Have you any means of qualifying this statement ?



2 weeks ago, we killed 8 in one day that had found their way into our
house.

Big Man!

Thanks for the compliment !.



My wife was also stung resulting in her arm swelling to twice it's
normal
size due to an allergic reaction !.

That's a local reaction, not an allergy.

So, It's 'Doctor Mary Fisher' then is it ?

I think my wife & I would prefer to believe her doctor rather than yourself
!





A few weeks
time an it'll be dead.

Ok, so you're suggesting we have to remain indoors for the next few
weeks,
while these F*****s come and go as they please ?.

They're not capable of mating.

And who implied they were ???



Until then we can't open our back door/patio door or venture into the
garden
?.

Of course you can. If you dispose of one nest there will still be very
many
flying insects around. Many will be wasps from other nests.

All making their way towards our house in particular - don't think so !.


Your house must be like some kind of zoo if you have never killed any
insect/beast etc. that happened to wander into it through an open
door/window, but simply cohabitated with them !




And how come this nest has only just become a
"problem" it'll have been there since late spring...

What are you suggesting, that every late spring we should spend some
time
hunting for wasps nests in order to ensure we find the "problem" as
early
as
possible?.

It wasn't a problem until now - at least, you didn't notice the wasps so
didn't perceive it as a problem.

Perception is purely that - it doesn't mean that it wasn't a problem until
now !!



Anyway, don't wasps become more aggravated towards the end of their
lives,
thus becoming more likely to attack ??.

No. That's men.

Mary

Didn't think about that ! :-)

woodglass

"Owain" wrote in message
...
johnnybegood wrote:
None, she was lying in bed reading & was totally unaware the wasp was
there
until it stung her !

Maybe she was turning the pages too quickly and the wasp was losing his
place :-)

Owain

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Thing is, once they start coming into the house in numbers, you _have_
to do something. We were forced to kill a few big ones, those that
refused to leave voluntarily though opened windows.....

Why were you forced to kill them?

Mary

Ok, I wasn't forced to kill them.

As a child, maybe 8 or 9 years old and playing in my Aunt's garden
with my cousin, she stumbled into a nest made in a thrown out bread
bin. My cousin was stung repeatedly as the by now ****ed wasps
defended the nest (all right and proper). I can see her now screaming
and covered in wasps, she was lucky to live and it has affeced me
deeply ever since, I cannot bear to be in the same room as a wasp, in
fact I have severe panic attacks if one comes near me.

Something very similar happened to my husband when he was the same age. He
handles wasps with no fear.

Have you tried aversion therapy? I'm serious.

I've been covered in honey bees - and stung by them so badly that my
companion took me to hospital because I displayed a (true) allergic
reaction.

I don't mind them, I don't want to kill them.

I've been very badly bitten by a dog. I don't like dogs (never did) but I
don't want to kill them.

I've been VERY badly stung by wasps when I mishandled digging out a nest but
I don't want to kill them.

I've been in a very bad motor car accident where my passenger and I were
hospitalised and the other driver was killed. I still drive (before you
think the obvious, the other driver went through a red light).

I've never had aversion therapy but I've thought very carefully about things
in a rational manner.

I don't enjoy killing them Mary. You would have to experience the
panic I feel to understand.

See your doctor.

Killing all the wasps you can see and all the nests you can find will NOT
rid you of wasps, it will, though, make you more likely to be stung.

Mary

Regards, Jeff.

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Have you tried aversion therapy?

You don't mean aversion therapy, it's ... that other one ...

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
snip

Have you tried aversion therapy?

You don't mean aversion therapy, it's ... that other one ...

Yes, that's the one :-)

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Thing is, once they start coming into the house in numbers, you _have_
to do something. We were forced to kill a few big ones, those that
refused to leave voluntarily though opened windows.....

Why were you forced to kill them?

Mary

Ok, I wasn't forced to kill them.

As a child, maybe 8 or 9 years old and playing in my Aunt's garden
with my cousin, she stumbled into a nest made in a thrown out bread
bin. My cousin was stung repeatedly as the by now ****ed wasps
defended the nest (all right and proper). I can see her now screaming
and covered in wasps, she was lucky to live and it has affeced me
deeply ever since, I cannot bear to be in the same room as a wasp, in
fact I have severe panic attacks if one comes near me.

Something very similar happened to my husband when he was the same age. He
handles wasps with no fear.

Have you tried aversion therapy? I'm serious.

I've been covered in honey bees - and stung by them so badly that my
companion took me to hospital because I displayed a (true) allergic
reaction.

WASN'T IT JUST A LOCAL REACTION???



I don't mind them, I don't want to kill them.

I've been very badly bitten by a dog. I don't like dogs (never did) but I
don't want to kill them.

I've been VERY badly stung by wasps when I mishandled digging out a nest
but
I don't want to kill them.

I've been in a very bad motor car accident where my passenger and I were
hospitalised and the other driver was killed. I still drive (before you
think the obvious, the other driver went through a red light).

I've never had aversion therapy but I've thought very carefully about
things
in a rational manner.

I don't enjoy killing them Mary. You would have to experience the
panic I feel to understand.

See your doctor.

Killing all the wasps you can see and all the nests you can find will NOT
rid you of wasps, it will, though, make you more likely to be stung.

AND HOW ???


Mary

Regards, Jeff.

In article ,
woodglass wrote:
Killing all the wasps you can see and all the nests you can find will NOT
rid you of wasps, it will, though, make you more likely to be stung.

AND HOW ???

Attempting, and failing, to kill something is likely to produce a reaction.
Leaving it alone isn't. Without 100% immediate kill rate (unlikely) the best
default action is to leave alone.

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In article ,
woodglass wrote:
Killing all the wasps you can see and all the nests you can find will
NOT
rid you of wasps, it will, though, make you more likely to be stung.

AND HOW ???

Attempting, and failing, to kill something is likely to produce a
reaction.
Leaving it alone isn't. Without 100% immediate kill rate (unlikely) the
best
default action is to leave alone.


Are you under the influence of recreational drugs by any chance ???.




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In article , woodglass
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , woodglass
wrote:
Killing all the wasps you can see and all the nests you can find will
NOT rid you of wasps, it will, though, make you more likely to be
stung.

AND HOW ???

Attempting, and failing, to kill something is likely to produce a
reaction. Leaving it alone isn't. Without 100% immediate kill rate
(unlikely) the best default action is to leave alone.

Are you under the influence of recreational drugs by any chance ???.

Are you suggesting that a policy of Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus is
somehow unsound?

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"Owain" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"Rob Morley" wrote
Have you tried aversion therapy?
You don't mean aversion therapy, it's ... that other one ...
Yes, that's the one :-)

No, you're both wrong :-)

It's actually rewind therapy and usually available from "human givens"
therapists. It's reputedly very effective on "post traumatic" stress and
"nightmares".

Oh.

I bow to your greater experience :-)

Never felt the need - never had either and I'm not frightened of anything.

Might be a bit suspicious of a human given therapist ... whatever that is.

Mary



Owain

"woodglass" wrote in message
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I've been covered in honey bees - and stung by them so badly that my
companion took me to hospital because I displayed a (true) allergic
reaction.

WASN'T IT JUST A LOCAL REACTION???

No, I usually have a local reaction where I swell and itch for days but this
was a general one where I didn't swell but was sweating, covered in hives
(look it up), was vomiting and voiding and without treatment would have
passed out. You might have heard it referred to as Anaphylaxis

Local reactions react to such things as piriton, anti histames. General
reactions need an injection of adreniline.

Of course it's not as simple as that, in fact it's very complicated, but
allergies can kill, local reactions can't, they're just very uncomfortable.


Killing all the wasps you can see and all the nests you can find will NOT
rid you of wasps, it will, though, make you more likely to be stung.

AND HOW ???

Because you'll be in closer contact to them and they will be more likely to
defend themselves. Just ignore them. You get the odd sting? So what? If it's
the worst thing which ever happens to you you'll be very lucky.

Over and out.

Mary

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:41:47 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

It's actually rewind therapy and usually available from "human
givens" therapists. It's reputedly very effective on "post
traumatic" stress and "nightmares".

Oh.

I bow to your greater experience :-)

Never felt the need - never had either and I'm not frightened of
anything.

*Anything*, hum. You've just not met it yet.

Modern society protects most people from *real* fear fairly well. I
didn't experience real fear until I was 30 during Gulf War 1. This was
in a makeshift and well ventilated air raid shelter, dressed in shorts
and T shirt, surrounded by RAF personnel in full NBC kit (and very
frightened eyes through the respirators) as Mr Hussein was "test
fired" missiles possibly carrying chemical warheads...

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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:41:47 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

It's actually rewind therapy and usually available from "human
givens" therapists. It's reputedly very effective on "post
traumatic" stress and "nightmares".

Oh.

I bow to your greater experience :-)

Never felt the need - never had either and I'm not frightened of
anything.

*Anything*, hum. You've just not met it yet.

That might be true - but I'm not prepared to waste my life being frightened
of something which MIGHT happen :-)

Modern society protects most people from *real* fear fairly well.

?

I didn't experience real fear until I was 30 during Gulf War 1. This was
in a makeshift and well ventilated air raid shelter, dressed in shorts
and T shirt, surrounded by RAF personnel in full NBC kit (and very
frightened eyes through the respirators) as Mr Hussein was "test
fired" missiles possibly carrying chemical warheads...

During the second world war I was only a child but I remember many children
being terrified of going into the unlit air raid shelters. I found it
exciting. And yes, I did understand what bombs were about, I saw the
results.

I remember now, telling a nurse that I was frightened when I was having our
fifth child! It didn't last long and was probably more resentment at the
labour being artificially induced despite my objection.

Mary