Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of another
maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in my garden . This
is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' , would it be reasonable to use
it to charge a couple of wires to keep the deer out of the garden ?
I have seedlings here that I started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),
strawberries out in the garden that were planted last year - and I really
want to harvest some this year , as we didn't harvest any last year to let
them get well established - and will have a lot more stuff direct seeded as
soon as winter is over C'mon Spring !. I want to feed me , not them ...
and the game warden said if I shoot them he'll toss my sorry ass in jail .
--
Snag
BTW , one of the pair that I fed last year is
in my freezer - poetic justice , I suppose .

On 3/6/2015 10:48 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of another
maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in my garden . This
is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' , would it be reasonable to use
it to charge a couple of wires to keep the deer out of the garden ?
I have seedlings here that I started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),
strawberries out in the garden that were planted last year - and I really
want to harvest some this year , as we didn't harvest any last year to let
them get well established - and will have a lot more stuff direct seeded as
soon as winter is over C'mon Spring !. I want to feed me , not them ...
and the game warden said if I shoot them he'll toss my sorry ass in jail .


Sure a circuit could be designed to drive the transformer, to a
voltage that would be uncomfortable for animals.
But it needs to designed properly so you or a neighbor don't end up
getting killed by touching the fence.
Oh and the deer could just jump over it.
Mike

PS.
I have a huge transformer core from a welder, probably 4 or 5
times bigger than an MOT. Someday I'll think of a project for it.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of another
maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in my garden . This
is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' , would it be reasonable to use
it to charge a couple of wires to keep the deer out of the garden ?
I have seedlings here that I started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),
strawberries out in the garden that were planted last year - and I really
want to harvest some this year , as we didn't harvest any last year to let
them get well established - and will have a lot more stuff direct seeded as
soon as winter is over C'mon Spring !. I want to feed me , not them ...
and the game warden said if I shoot them he'll toss my sorry ass in jail .


You better have real good liability insurance and a lawyer on retainer
if you wire a fence with an MOT.
Get a livestock fence energizer and post your property. "No
trespassing" "caution - electrified fencing"

Kill some trespassing hillbilly with your MOT powered fence and your
sorry ass may end up in jail a lot longer than for shooting a deer out
of season with no license!!

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 01:06:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of another
maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in my garden . This
is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' , would it be reasonable to use
it to charge a couple of wires to keep the deer out of the garden ?
I have seedlings here that I started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),

Jeezus, obsess much, Snag? 1 mater for the family and some neighbors,
a second to can, a third to feed the surrounding neighborhood, and a
4th to feed your half of the city. Ditto zucchini plants.


strawberries out in the garden that were planted last year - and I really

I'm going to do berries this year, too. Time to get that raised bed
together this weekend. I already have hardware cloth to line the
bottom to keep gophers and moles out.


want to harvest some this year , as we didn't harvest any last year to let
them get well established - and will have a lot more stuff direct seeded as
soon as winter is over C'mon Spring !. I want to feed me , not them ...
and the game warden said if I shoot them he'll toss my sorry ass in jail .

You better have real good liability insurance and a lawyer on retainer
if you wire a fence with an MOT.
Get a livestock fence energizer and post your property. "No
trespassing" "caution - electrified fencing"

Kill some trespassing hillbilly with your MOT powered fence and your
sorry ass may end up in jail a lot longer than for shooting a deer out
of season with no license!!

Exactly. The answer is DON'T! Put up an 8' chain link fence around
your garden and tie brightly colored flags of pvc tape on top so they
can see it's taller than they can jump over. The movement triggers
their protective senses, too, so they stay away. I've seen deer here
jump 6' fences with ease, so people use 8' or 12' fencing.
https://afence.com/store/ft.8-x11ga.CHNLNK-KT.html Only $3.49/ft.

To keep the Thompson's gazelles, kudu, oryx, and impala from jumping
the fences at the Sandy Eggo Wild Animal Park, they used just 6'
fences but they put an 18" angled fence on top. It angled toward the
interior of the park and was a psychological mountain to the deer, who
thought it doubled the height of the fence, so they wouldn't even try
to jump it. Face yours outward if you use that ploy.

--
Stain and poly are their own punishment.

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 01:06:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of
another maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in
my garden . This is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' ,
would it be reasonable to use it to charge a couple of wires to
keep the deer out of the garden ? I have seedlings here that I
started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),

Jeezus, obsess much, Snag? 1 mater for the family and some neighbors,
a second to can, a third to feed the surrounding neighborhood, and a
4th to feed your half of the city. Ditto zucchini plants.


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve quite a
bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters . If it becomes a problem , I guess I'll purchase a
unit . I've been told that if they don't know it's here they won't bother it
, but last year they killed two of my new fruit trees , killed my taters ,
lettuce , and some of the tomatoes . The remaining trees are now in cages
made of 6x6 concrete rewire with bird/deer mesh around the cage . Cost
prohibitive right now to fence the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost
500 bucks for wire alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail ,
fittings , and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out . Retirement
income only stretches so far ...

--
Snag

In article , Terry Coombs
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of another
maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in my garden . This
is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' , would it be reasonable to use
it to charge a couple of wires to keep the deer out of the garden ?
I have seedlings here that I started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),
strawberries out in the garden that were planted last year - and I really
want to harvest some this year , as we didn't harvest any last year to let
them get well established - and will have a lot more stuff direct seeded as
soon as winter is over C'mon Spring !. I want to feed me , not them ...
and the game warden said if I shoot them he'll toss my sorry ass in jail .

A MOT is *far* too powerful, and you will kill someone, most likely an
inquisitive child.

Get a standard electric fence controller.

Joe Gwinn

On 3/7/2015 12:50 AM, amdx wrote:
....
Oh and the deer could just jump over it.
...

I have used an electric fence to keep deer out. I used 2 strands - 1
about 3' up and the other about 5'. Deer could have easily jumped it,
but didn't. I suspect that it was either that they first ventured to
the fence, were shocked, and didn't return. Or that there was not a
clear landing area inside the fence, what with tomato cages, bean
fences, etc.

Bob

On 3/7/2015 7:35 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 01:06:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of
another maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in
my garden . This is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' ,
would it be reasonable to use it to charge a couple of wires to
keep the deer out of the garden ? I have seedlings here that I
started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),

Jeezus, obsess much, Snag? 1 mater for the family and some neighbors,
a second to can, a third to feed the surrounding neighborhood, and a
4th to feed your half of the city. Ditto zucchini plants.


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve quite a
bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters.

The trick is the fence is hit with short pulses with enough time
between pulses that you can get away from it without damage.
And you will get away from it!

Mikek


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On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 07:35:39 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 01:06:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of
another maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in
my garden . This is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' ,
would it be reasonable to use it to charge a couple of wires to
keep the deer out of the garden ? I have seedlings here that I
started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),

Jeezus, obsess much, Snag? 1 mater for the family and some neighbors,
a second to can, a third to feed the surrounding neighborhood, and a
4th to feed your half of the city. Ditto zucchini plants.


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve quite a
bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters . If it becomes a problem , I guess I'll purchase a
unit . I've been told that if they don't know it's here they won't bother it
, but last year they killed two of my new fruit trees , killed my taters ,
lettuce , and some of the tomatoes . The remaining trees are now in cages
made of 6x6 concrete rewire with bird/deer mesh around the cage . Cost
prohibitive right now to fence the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost
500 bucks for wire alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail ,
fittings , and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out . Retirement
income only stretches so far ...
The cost of the fence will feed you for a few years.

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 08:50:21 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 3/7/2015 7:35 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 01:06:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of
another maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in
my garden . This is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' ,
would it be reasonable to use it to charge a couple of wires to
keep the deer out of the garden ? I have seedlings here that I
started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),

Jeezus, obsess much, Snag? 1 mater for the family and some neighbors,
a second to can, a third to feed the surrounding neighborhood, and a
4th to feed your half of the city. Ditto zucchini plants.


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve quite a
bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters.

The trick is the fence is hit with short pulses with enough time
between pulses that you can get away from it without damage.
And you will get away from it!

Mikek


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Ever get hit by a "weed chopper"??? They don't "let" you get away!!
They are an AC discharge fencer while most are DC pulse. A weed
chopper (or Bull Dozer, or Cow Puncher - all were basically the same)
would keep the fence line clear by burning off intruding weeds and
saplings. Sometimes started grass and bush fires - and possibly even
burned down some sheds. If there was no "load" on the fence they just
gave a jolt. If the resistance to ground dropped, they locked on for
several seconds at a time.

NASTY damned things!!!!

On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 07:35:39 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 01:06:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of
another maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in
my garden . This is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' ,
would it be reasonable to use it to charge a couple of wires to
keep the deer out of the garden ? I have seedlings here that I
started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),

Jeezus, obsess much, Snag? 1 mater for the family and some neighbors,
a second to can, a third to feed the surrounding neighborhood, and a
4th to feed your half of the city. Ditto zucchini plants.


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve quite a
bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .

Right.


I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters . If it becomes a problem , I guess I'll purchase a
unit .

Perhaps, as they put out a wee bit more than 1/4 joule. You want
"sting", not "singe/snap/crackle/pop".

And the way the courts are right now, criminals have more rights than
citizens. Anyone who does anything to endanger a child, an animal,
or, heaven forfend, the planet, is worse than a murdering rapist. Just
ridiculous.

I did so many super-dangerous things as a child, I'd be arrested today
just for -speaking- of it. "Inciting to live a full life."


I've been told that if they don't know it's here they won't bother it
, but last year they killed two of my new fruit trees , killed my taters ,
lettuce , and some of the tomatoes . The remaining trees are now in cages
made of 6x6 concrete rewire with bird/deer mesh around the cage .

They can smell both the plants and the watering, and that draws them
even sight-unseen. If you plant it, they will come. sigh I'm
lucky here, having seen only one baby Bambi in my yard in 13 years.


Cost
prohibitive right now to fence the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost
500 bucks for wire alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail ,

It doesn't need top rails, unless you plan on scaling it for exercise.
g You could always use two layers of field fencing. That's 330' of
4' tall for $189, enough to do the whole shebang. I'd definitely use
the thicker corner poles (for chain link) on that, though. And 12' T
posts in the centers. Hmm, I wonder if the new poly fencing would
work to keep out deer. It's a helluva lot lighter. Oh, it's usually
cheaper to buy your chain link parts from a fence builder. Their posts
are half the price of HomeDepot's, but the fabric is thicker and more
costly. They buy 20' lengths of post tubing and cut to size.


fittings , and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out .

Yabbut, you still need a high fence to keep the deer from jumping over
the electrics. BTW, fence chargers can be had for as little as $30.
http://tinyurl.com/nbclxc7 , $80 for solar http://tinyurl.com/nokexv6


Retirement income only stretches so far ...

Grok that.

--
Stain and poly are their own punishment.

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 8:42:08 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:

An electric fence I can probably swing, at a couple hundred for the unit,
posts/standoffs, and wire if I spread the purchases out. Retirement
income only stretches so far ...

Putting just motion detectors around the garden could let you know from a distance that rabbit, deer, etc... are there.

On 3/7/2015 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 8:42:08 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:

An electric fence I can probably swing, at a couple hundred for the unit,
posts/standoffs, and wire if I spread the purchases out. Retirement
income only stretches so far ...

Putting just motion detectors around the garden could let you know from a distance that rabbit, deer, etc... are there.


Yep, almost every night between 8:30 and 9:00 the neighbors dog trips
our outside motion detector. Bout time for a fence.
Mikek

If you go with the elctric fencer,know that the cheap ones are a waste
of money. Deer need serious voltage, get the homeowner one rated for
100 miles of fence or go commercial. i can help you here.

I have LOTS of experience with hooved rats.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of another
maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in my garden . This
is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' , would it be reasonable to use
it to charge a couple of wires to keep the deer out of the garden ?
I have seedlings here that I started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),
strawberries out in the garden that were planted last year - and I really
want to harvest some this year , as we didn't harvest any last year to let
them get well established - and will have a lot more stuff direct seeded as
soon as winter is over C'mon Spring !. I want to feed me , not them ...
and the game warden said if I shoot them he'll toss my sorry ass in jail .

Wellll...he can toss you in jail only if he hears you shoot them or
sees you shoot them.

On the other hand..crossbows and archery gear dont make much
sound....just saying....


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 8:42:08 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Cost
prohibitive right now to fence the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost
500 bucks for wire alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail ,
fittings , and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out . Retirement
income only stretches so far ...

--
Snag

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied to a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects something , it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go somewhere to eat where they do not get wet.

Dan

wrote:
On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 8:42:08 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Cost
prohibitive right now to fence the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's
almost 500 bucks for wire alone . Figure about double that with
posts , top rail , fittings , and concrete and we just don't have
that right now . An electric fence I can probably swing , at a
couple hundred for the unit , posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread
the purchases out . Retirement income only stretches so far ...

--
Snag

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied to
a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects something ,
it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go somewhere to eat
where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had failed ,
turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell buuilt in so it
won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what I need .
Thanks Dan !
--
Snag

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had failed ,
turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell buuilt in so it
won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what I need .
Thanks Dan !
--
Snag

You are welcome. Just do not blame me if those Arkansas deer enjoy a shower in about August.

Dan

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 00:55:52 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 22:48:05 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Well , I still have that MOT sittin' here , and just thought of another
maybe . Last year the Hooved Rats of the Woods marauded in my garden . This
is unacceptable ... and I was just thinkin' , would it be reasonable to use
it to charge a couple of wires to keep the deer out of the garden ?
I have seedlings here that I started in January (70+ 'maters and peppers),
strawberries out in the garden that were planted last year - and I really
want to harvest some this year , as we didn't harvest any last year to let
them get well established - and will have a lot more stuff direct seeded as
soon as winter is over C'mon Spring !. I want to feed me , not them ...
and the game warden said if I shoot them he'll toss my sorry ass in jail .

Wellll...he can toss you in jail only if he hears you shoot them or
sees you shoot them.

On the other hand..crossbows and archery gear dont make much
sound....just saying....


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke
Like the Hoof and Mouth or Mad Cow rule. SSS - Shoot, Shovel, and
Shut-up. The only reason there were no reported cases of either in the
USA last year (and many others)

On 3/7/2015 6:20 AM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
On 3/7/2015 12:50 AM, amdx wrote:
...
Oh and the deer could just jump over it.
...

I have used an electric fence to keep deer out. I used 2 strands - 1
about 3' up and the other about 5'. Deer could have easily jumped it,
but didn't. I suspect that it was either that they first ventured to
the fence, were shocked, and didn't return. Or that there was not a
clear landing area inside the fence, what with tomato cages, bean
fences, etc.

Bob
I have the same thing, here. And we have BIG mule Deer. The two fences
are 30 inches apart. I use a standard electric fence charger. It also
charges the single fence around the pastures.

I also have a double electric gate across the end of the driveway. The
only deer that have gotten inside are one doe that must have followed
the pickup in through the gate, before it closed. Another fawn
discovered the electric fence was shorted and walked in through the strands.

Took about two years to train the deer about the electric fence. They
would touch it with their noses and quickly back up.

I would highly recommend the fence!

Paul

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:35:18 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 8:42:08 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Cost
prohibitive right now to fence the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's
almost 500 bucks for wire alone . Figure about double that with
posts , top rail , fittings , and concrete and we just don't have
that right now . An electric fence I can probably swing , at a
couple hundred for the unit , posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread
the purchases out . Retirement income only stretches so far ...

--
Snag

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied to
a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects something ,
it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go somewhere to eat
where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had failed ,
turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell buuilt in so it
won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what I need .

Squirt some black RTV in the hole to the sensor, or just bypass it.

--
Stoop and you'll be stepped on;
stand tall and you'll be shot at.
-- Carlos A. Urbizo

Larry Jaques wrote:

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied to
a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects something ,
it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go somewhere to eat
where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had
failed , turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell
buuilt in so it won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what
I need .

Squirt some black RTV in the hole to the sensor, or just bypass it.

Why ? They don't come around in the day time , almost always at night or
dusk/dawn . I can somewhat control the light level needed by where I aim the
sensor - IIRC that p-cell has a movable device to block all or part of the
light needed to trigger . I'll have to dig it out of the box of electrical
stuff and see just what I have .

--
Snag

"Terry Coombs" writes:

An electric fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the
unit , posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out.
Retirement income only stretches so far ...

For twenty years the white-tailed deer came into the field at the NW
corner, grazed around the edge and left by the SE corner, completely
ignored the rather extensive gardens. A few years ago, they changed.
Ate everything in the garden including flourishig tomato
plants. Kicked the seaweed off and ate the the seed potatoes. No
half-assed tricks with **** pots of strategically placed gill net
barriers helped at all.

Now I have a 4-strand 8' electric fence around a couple of acres.
Posts are half inch rebar jammed into the ground. There are poly
stand-offs made for just this setup. Battery operated fence charger
runs on a good used car battery. Needs 1 or two recharges a season
from April to November. Only deer incursions have been after I turn it
off in the fall. They got a couple of young fruit trees last winter.
This winter the replacement trees have individual hen wire cages.

Didn't work for rabbits. Now the favorite rabbit targets are in
patchs surrounded by hen wire or electric sheep fence, one roll of
which latter cost more that the whole shebang for the regular electric
fence.

But no varmits are my garden last year. Well, excepting the red
squirrels in the raspberry patch. Target practice.


--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 21:36:16 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied to
a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects something ,
it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go somewhere to eat
where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had
failed , turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell
buuilt in so it won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what
I need .

Squirt some black RTV in the hole to the sensor, or just bypass it.

Why ? They don't come around in the day time , almost always at night or
dusk/dawn . I can somewhat control the light level needed by where I aim the
sensor - IIRC that p-cell has a movable device to block all or part of the
light needed to trigger . I'll have to dig it out of the box of electrical
stuff and see just what I have .

My bad. I read that as a complaint and offered a solution. Never
mind. You have what you need...until they come during the day. THEN
you squirt the RTV.

--
Stoop and you'll be stepped on;
stand tall and you'll be shot at.
-- Carlos A. Urbizo

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 21:36:16 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied
to a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects
something , it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go
somewhere to eat where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had
failed , turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell
buuilt in so it won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what
I need .

Squirt some black RTV in the hole to the sensor, or just bypass it.

Why ? They don't come around in the day time , almost always at
night or dusk/dawn . I can somewhat control the light level needed
by where I aim the sensor - IIRC that p-cell has a movable device to
block all or part of the light needed to trigger . I'll have to dig
it out of the box of electrical stuff and see just what I have .

My bad. I read that as a complaint and offered a solution. Never
mind. You have what you need...until they come during the day. THEN
you squirt the RTV.

No , then I squirt lead . The whitetails around here are a pain in the ass
most of the year . Odd how they all disappear when hunting season comes
around .

--
Snag

On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 09:01:26 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 21:36:16 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied
to a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects
something , it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go
somewhere to eat where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had
failed , turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell
buuilt in so it won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what
I need .

Squirt some black RTV in the hole to the sensor, or just bypass it.

Why ? They don't come around in the day time , almost always at
night or dusk/dawn . I can somewhat control the light level needed
by where I aim the sensor - IIRC that p-cell has a movable device to
block all or part of the light needed to trigger . I'll have to dig
it out of the box of electrical stuff and see just what I have .

My bad. I read that as a complaint and offered a solution. Never
mind. You have what you need...until they come during the day. THEN
you squirt the RTV.

No , then I squirt lead .

No, you squirt RTV. (Don't say that other out loud while Big Brother
is watching, got it?)


The whitetails around here are a pain in the ass most of the year .
Odd how they all disappear when hunting season comes around .

A lot of it here in OR is from idiots feeding the damned wild animals.
My neighbor has tossed his rotted veggies out back and now we have a
gazillion skunks digging up our yards (and my bark shred/chips where I
removed the front grass) and stinking up the place when they get run
over or scared. And I have a raccoon ****ting on my woodpile
(salvaged deck boards under a corrugated cover. Locals feed their
dogs, cats, birds, and (now) wild animals outside. sigh Some
people's kids, I swear...


More nonsense: Research in Liverpool shows that they will start
saving the environment from AGWK (aka: Globular Swarming) by sucking
up all the CO2 and methane from the atmosphere with: dry water.
http://www.gizmag.com/dry-water-stor...dioxide/16138/

Stupid people tricks never end, do they?


--
Stoop and you'll be stepped on;
stand tall and you'll be shot at.
-- Carlos A. Urbizo

On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 09:17:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 09:01:26 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 21:36:16 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied
to a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects
something , it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go
somewhere to eat where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had
failed , turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell
buuilt in so it won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what
I need .

Squirt some black RTV in the hole to the sensor, or just bypass it.

Why ? They don't come around in the day time , almost always at
night or dusk/dawn . I can somewhat control the light level needed
by where I aim the sensor - IIRC that p-cell has a movable device to
block all or part of the light needed to trigger . I'll have to dig
it out of the box of electrical stuff and see just what I have .

My bad. I read that as a complaint and offered a solution. Never
mind. You have what you need...until they come during the day. THEN
you squirt the RTV.

No , then I squirt lead .

No, you squirt RTV. (Don't say that other out loud while Big Brother
is watching, got it?)


How about RTV rubber bullets?

The whitetails around here are a pain in the ass most of the year .
Odd how they all disappear when hunting season comes around .

A lot of it here in OR is from idiots feeding the damned wild animals.
My neighbor has tossed his rotted veggies out back and now we have a
gazillion skunks digging up our yards (and my bark shred/chips where I
removed the front grass) and stinking up the place when they get run
over or scared. And I have a raccoon ****ting on my woodpile
(salvaged deck boards under a corrugated cover. Locals feed their
dogs, cats, birds, and (now) wild animals outside. sigh Some
people's kids, I swear...


More nonsense: Research in Liverpool shows that they will start
saving the environment from AGWK (aka: Globular Swarming) by sucking
up all the CO2 and methane from the atmosphere with: dry water.
http://www.gizmag.com/dry-water-stor...dioxide/16138/

Stupid people tricks never end, do they?

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:17:06 PM UTC-4, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 09:01:26 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 21:36:16 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

Time to hit the appliance store and see if you can get parts off a
washer being scraped.

In the PNW people seem to have good luck with Motion sensors tied
to a solenoid water valve. When the motion sensor detects
something , it turns on the water to a sprinkler. The deer go
somewhere to eat where they do not get wet.

Dan

Superb ! I have a motion sensor from a light that I thought had
failed , turned out it was burned out bulbs . It has a photocell
buuilt in so it won't come on in the daytime , and that's just what
I need .

Squirt some black RTV in the hole to the sensor, or just bypass it.

Why ? They don't come around in the day time , almost always at
night or dusk/dawn . I can somewhat control the light level needed
by where I aim the sensor - IIRC that p-cell has a movable device to
block all or part of the light needed to trigger . I'll have to dig
it out of the box of electrical stuff and see just what I have .

My bad. I read that as a complaint and offered a solution. Never
mind. You have what you need...until they come during the day. THEN
you squirt the RTV.

No , then I squirt lead .

No, you squirt RTV. (Don't say that other out loud while Big Brother
is watching, got it?)


The whitetails around here are a pain in the ass most of the year .
Odd how they all disappear when hunting season comes around .

A lot of it here in OR is from idiots feeding the damned wild animals.
My neighbor has tossed his rotted veggies out back and now we have a
gazillion skunks digging up our yards (and my bark shred/chips where I
removed the front grass) and stinking up the place when they get run
over or scared. And I have a raccoon ****ting on my woodpile
(salvaged deck boards under a corrugated cover. Locals feed their
dogs, cats, birds, and (now) wild animals outside. sigh Some
people's kids, I swear...


More nonsense: Research in Liverpool shows that they will
start saving the environment from AGWK (aka: Globular
Swarming) by sucking
up all the CO2 and methane from the atmosphere with: dry
water.
http://www.gizmag.com/dry-water-stor...dioxide/16138/

Stupid people tricks never end, do they?

Poor Larry. Trying to stop global warming would hurt you sooo much, wouldn't it?? Boo-hoo.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 09:17:04 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

[...]

More nonsense: Research in Liverpool shows that they will start
saving the environment from AGWK (aka: Globular Swarming) by sucking
up all the CO2 and methane from the atmosphere with: dry water.
http://www.gizmag.com/dry-water-stor...dioxide/16138/

Stupid people tricks never end, do they?

Are you kidding, Larry? This stuff could be the substance that saves
Democracy As We Know It! From the article:

"... most interesting is its ability to store gases such as carbon
dioxide."

Imagine what Washington would be like if consuming an ounce(TBD) of this
substance every morning were required for all office holders and agency
heads. Every press briefing, even the reconstituted "five o'clock
follies", would be gas-free!

( I can dream, can't I? grin )


Frank McKenney
--
Solid, liquid, and gas: the three states of a burrito.
--
Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney aatt mindspring ddoott com

In article , says...


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve quite a
bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters . If it becomes a problem , I guess I'll purchase a
unit . I've been told that if they don't know it's here they won't bother it
, but last year they killed two of my new fruit trees , killed my taters ,
lettuce , and some of the tomatoes . The remaining trees are now in cages
made of 6x6 concrete rewire with bird/deer mesh around the cage . Cost
prohibitive right now to fence the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost
500 bucks for wire alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail ,
fittings , and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out . Retirement
income only stretches so far ...

You may have already had a look... Given your ability to source old parts and
make do... etc. this might be an easy build.

A Homemade Electric Fence Charger

By the MOTHER EARTH NEWS Editors
July/August 1982

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/h...fence-charger-
zmaz82jazgoe.aspx

"The charger we put together is powered by a 12-volt automotive battery, and
can deliver an attention-getting 25,000 volts of electricity to the fence
strands once every second. "

I usually go to Mother Earth News whenever I need some kind of farm/garden diy.

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

phorbin wrote:
In article , says...


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve
quite a bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters . If it becomes a problem , I guess I'll
purchase a unit . I've been told that if they don't know it's here
they won't bother it , but last year they killed two of my new fruit
trees , killed my taters , lettuce , and some of the tomatoes . The
remaining trees are now in cages made of 6x6 concrete rewire with
bird/deer mesh around the cage . Cost prohibitive right now to fence
the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost 500 bucks for wire
alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail , fittings ,
and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out .
Retirement income only stretches so far ...

You may have already had a look... Given your ability to source old
parts and
make do... etc. this might be an easy build.

A Homemade Electric Fence Charger

By the MOTHER EARTH NEWS Editors
July/August 1982

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/h...fence-charger-
zmaz82jazgoe.aspx

"The charger we put together is powered by a 12-volt automotive
battery, and
can deliver an attention-getting 25,000 volts of electricity to the
fence
strands once every second. "

I usually go to Mother Earth News whenever I need some kind of
farm/garden diy.

---

Thanks ! Page is bookmarked , I have a few caps/resistors and a couple of
usable coils ... and limited experience in electronics . This looks like a
winner .
Brings to mine my grandaddy's fence charger . It had a spring loaded
rotating piece with a contact , when the contact made it would charge the
fence for a pulse and a magnetic coil would "rewind" the rotating part for
another cycle . Clunk clunk clunk SOB hurt too , but not long enough
to kill or maim .
--
Snag

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 07:42:40 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

phorbin wrote:
In article , says...


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve
quite a bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters . If it becomes a problem , I guess I'll
purchase a unit . I've been told that if they don't know it's here
they won't bother it , but last year they killed two of my new fruit
trees , killed my taters , lettuce , and some of the tomatoes . The
remaining trees are now in cages made of 6x6 concrete rewire with
bird/deer mesh around the cage . Cost prohibitive right now to fence
the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost 500 bucks for wire
alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail , fittings ,
and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out .
Retirement income only stretches so far ...

You may have already had a look... Given your ability to source old
parts and
make do... etc. this might be an easy build.

A Homemade Electric Fence Charger

By the MOTHER EARTH NEWS Editors
July/August 1982

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/h...fence-charger-
zmaz82jazgoe.aspx

"The charger we put together is powered by a 12-volt automotive
battery, and
can deliver an attention-getting 25,000 volts of electricity to the
fence
strands once every second. "

I usually go to Mother Earth News whenever I need some kind of
farm/garden diy.

---

Thanks ! Page is bookmarked , I have a few caps/resistors and a couple of
usable coils ... and limited experience in electronics . This looks like a
winner .
Brings to mine my grandaddy's fence charger . It had a spring loaded
rotating piece with a contact , when the contact made it would charge the
fence for a pulse and a magnetic coil would "rewind" the rotating part for
another cycle . Clunk clunk clunk SOB hurt too , but not long enough
to kill or maim .

I've seen an "electric fence" device made from an auto ignition coil
and a mechanical switching device. I also saw one built from a Ford
Model T ignition coil that has a vibrating switch built in.

My father bought one to keep the cows out of the garden but it wasn't
very successful in that a cow is usually browsing with it's head down
and when they browsed into a single wire fence and get shocked the
contact point is their withers and they run straight ahead and bust
the fence :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:19:20 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 07:42:40 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

phorbin wrote:
In article , says...


I'm also starting stuff for a neighbor , and we plan to preserve
quite a bit . So , it seems the consensus is ... don't .
I wondered if the MOT might be a lot more joules than is needed to
discourage the critters . If it becomes a problem , I guess I'll
purchase a unit . I've been told that if they don't know it's here
they won't bother it , but last year they killed two of my new fruit
trees , killed my taters , lettuce , and some of the tomatoes . The
remaining trees are now in cages made of 6x6 concrete rewire with
bird/deer mesh around the cage . Cost prohibitive right now to fence
the garden , at $3.50 per foot that's almost 500 bucks for wire
alone . Figure about double that with posts , top rail , fittings ,
and concrete and we just don't have that right now . An electric
fence I can probably swing , at a couple hundred for the unit ,
posts/standoffs , and wire if I spread the purchases out .
Retirement income only stretches so far ...

You may have already had a look... Given your ability to source old
parts and
make do... etc. this might be an easy build.

A Homemade Electric Fence Charger

By the MOTHER EARTH NEWS Editors
July/August 1982

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/h...fence-charger-
zmaz82jazgoe.aspx

"The charger we put together is powered by a 12-volt automotive
battery, and
can deliver an attention-getting 25,000 volts of electricity to the
fence
strands once every second. "

I usually go to Mother Earth News whenever I need some kind of
farm/garden diy.

---

Thanks ! Page is bookmarked , I have a few caps/resistors and a couple of
usable coils ... and limited experience in electronics . This looks like a
winner .
Brings to mine my grandaddy's fence charger . It had a spring loaded
rotating piece with a contact , when the contact made it would charge the
fence for a pulse and a magnetic coil would "rewind" the rotating part for
another cycle . Clunk clunk clunk SOB hurt too , but not long enough
to kill or maim .

I've seen an "electric fence" device made from an auto ignition coil
and a mechanical switching device. I also saw one built from a Ford
Model T ignition coil that has a vibrating switch built in.

My father bought one to keep the cows out of the garden but it wasn't
very successful in that a cow is usually browsing with it's head down
and when they browsed into a single wire fence and get shocked the
contact point is their withers and they run straight ahead and bust
the fence :-)
We had one on the farm made out of a model "T" coil with a hacksaw
blade and bolt and nut weight to act as a pendulum for the interupter.

We had another battery operated one we mounted on the tractor to keep
the cattle from licking the ignition wires off the tractor when it was
left sitting in the barnyard. Had to hit the switch at exactly the
right time to turn it off, or use a broom stick.

They are generally VERY effective on cattle - they go down on their
knees rather than running ahead though the fence, and they don't
generally go back for a second try. Cattlebeasts are DUMB - but not
that dumb!!

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 3:30:29 PM UTC-4, Frnak McKenney wrote:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 09:17:04 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

More nonsense: Research in Liverpool shows that they will start
saving the environment from AGWK (aka: Globular Swarming) by sucking
up all the CO2 and methane from the atmosphere with: dry water.
http://www.gizmag.com/dry-water-stor...dioxide/16138/

Stupid people tricks never end, do they?

Are you kidding, Larry? This stuff could be the substance that saves
Democracy As We Know It! From the article:

"... most interesting is its ability to store gases such as carbon
dioxide."

Imagine what Washington would be like if consuming an ounce(TBD) of
this substance every morning were required for all office holders and
agency heads. Every press briefing, even the reconstituted "five o'clock
follies", would be gas-free!

(I can dream, can't I? grin)

Well, to clear up any dreaming, top PhD's and those who have Master's Degrees have said this:

** 14 of the 15 hottest years on record have occurred since the year 2000 **

(NOW try to say global warming hasn't OCCURED)