They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.


Bloomberg: the most egocentric N'Yawk-centric 3-term asshole on earth
Who quintupled his wealth while mayor.
Dats why all these billionaires are running for office now, dey wanna Be
Like Mike.... heh, makes sense.
So they aren't imbecilic at all, much as it often appears that way. They
are deadly, diabolical strategists.
Little Mike Bloomberg waves his dick like a billy club..

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800
houses lit up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the
Marathon.

Un Believable.

It is.
Itsa BizarroWorld around here, orchestrated by the very rich. It's like
being in a puppet show, and we are the puppets. "Don't yank my chain"??
Our chains are being yanked 24/7/365. My arms/legs are being yanked out of
their sockets.

But when you really examine the dynamics of power, their expert division of
the population, EVERYTHING they do makes perfect sense.
You think this multi-lingual bull**** is politically correck ""diversity"'??
Sheeit, it's the Great Cultural ConJob/Divide, deftly orchestrated by these
assholes to keep us dizzy/diverse.... comprende??
--
EA, born/bred N'Yawker, headed for Canada.



Steve

Just some of the issues the the fancy guys in the ivory towers
overlooked: 1. the starting place - that island had yet to get any
services and had no water, gas, electricity and the mess was all over
the streets. 2. After leaving this forgotten island, they move to
the next worst place - both being on the north side of the storm with
the strongest winds.

I venture guess someone finally flew him in a helicopter over the route
to bring him to reality. Or got a film to him in the nick of time.

Unless you have been in such of mess - total mess it is - you have no
idea. I've lived a month on generators. A pacific storm. Two weeks
because of the massive Earthquake. Oh - for those who watched the
Baseball game - San Fran was in the world series and another disaster
occurred, this time on the East Coast.

Maybe Ivory tower guys got to see a video over their catered lunch.

Where is the help and the trailers for those who lost their homes and
were run out of their apartments with no place to go...

Sad times indeed.

Martin

On 11/2/2012 9:29 PM, Steve B wrote:
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

"Martin Eastburn" wrote in message
...
Just some of the issues the the fancy guys in the ivory towers overlooked:
1. the starting place - that island had yet to get any services and had no
water, gas, electricity and the mess was all over
the streets. 2. After leaving this forgotten island, they move to
the next worst place - both being on the north side of the storm with
the strongest winds.

I venture guess someone finally flew him in a helicopter over the route
to bring him to reality. Or got a film to him in the nick of time.

Unless you have been in such of mess - total mess it is - you have no
idea. I've lived a month on generators. A pacific storm. Two weeks
because of the massive Earthquake. Oh - for those who watched the
Baseball game - San Fran was in the world series and another disaster
occurred, this time on the East Coast.

Maybe Ivory tower guys got to see a video over their catered lunch.

Where is the help and the trailers for those who lost their homes and
were run out of their apartments with no place to go...

Sad times indeed.

Martin

I did see some sensible behavior in the video I watched at
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-n...67322#49667322

Trailers of food, water, and such. It is just almost criminal to me that
they have wasted time, chasing after the marathon, and some insisting it go
on, and now all that time was wasted, when it could have been applied to
people. Don't know if it was mayor or gov who said, people cry, people die,
life goes on, or something like that. And another that said NY'ers needed
something to cheer about. Mebbe, but I think they'd cheer more for some
warmth from their furnace, some warm food, and a warm dry place to sleep.

We'll see how it all shakes out. Brings out the best and worst in people.

Go home, scabs! NY'er union guys to Alabama electricians who drove up on
their own dollars to help.

God help them all.

Steve

On Nov 2, 7:29*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
They cancelled the marathon. *Holy crap. *What took them so long? *Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? *Sleep? *Buy gas and
essentials? *To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. *All of them. *Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. *There will be death in the gas lines. *In
the looting. *In the coming cold. *It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. *They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

I bet those 7 generators are still sitting there.

Bloomberg should be on site staying in an apartment that has no power
and no heat. Might give him some sense of reality.

Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.

Martin Eastburn wrote:

Just some of the issues the the fancy guys in the ivory towers
overlooked: 1. the starting place - that island had yet to get any
services and had no water, gas, electricity and the mess was all over
the streets. 2. After leaving this forgotten island, they move to
the next worst place - both being on the north side of the storm with
the strongest winds.

I venture guess someone finally flew him in a helicopter over the route
to bring him to reality. Or got a film to him in the nick of time.

Unless you have been in such of mess - total mess it is - you have no
idea. I've lived a month on generators. A pacific storm. Two weeks
because of the massive Earthquake. Oh - for those who watched the
Baseball game - San Fran was in the world series and another disaster
occurred, this time on the East Coast.

Maybe Ivory tower guys got to see a video over their catered lunch.

Where is the help and the trailers for those who lost their homes and
were run out of their apartments with no place to go...


Kick out the UN, and use their building for the displaced.

Steve B wrote:

I did see some sensible behavior in the video I watched at
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-n...67322#49667322

Trailers of food, water, and such. It is just almost criminal to me that
they have wasted time, chasing after the marathon, and some insisting it go
on, and now all that time was wasted, when it could have been applied to
people. Don't know if it was mayor or gov who said, people cry, people die,
life goes on, or something like that. And another that said NY'ers needed
something to cheer about. Mebbe, but I think they'd cheer more for some
warmth from their furnace, some warm food, and a warm dry place to sleep.

We'll see how it all shakes out. Brings out the best and worst in people.

Go home, scabs! NY'er union guys to Alabama electricians who drove up on
their own dollars to help.


Does that surprise you?


God help them all.


Amen.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up) It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of
the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses
lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up) It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

Mebbe you could go there and help. Wait! That could be dangerous. Better
just let them figure it out. Bet those Alabama boys are still scratching
their heads. Utah sent 16 guys to help. Haven't heard what happened to
them yet, tho. Probably won't be able to do anything electricital, but
mebbe bring in some new Mormons to the church.

Steve

wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up)


Great way to smoke those transformers. He's talking about 400 homes
per generator. Around here that's 200A service per home, and if they
are using electric heat they will be using a lot of that. What pole pig
will let you feed that kind of current into the secondary?


It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800
houses lit up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the
Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:17:52 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of
the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses
lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up) It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

Mebbe you could go there and help. Wait! That could be dangerous. Better
just let them figure it out. Bet those Alabama boys are still scratching
their heads. Utah sent 16 guys to help. Haven't heard what happened to
them yet, tho. Probably won't be able to do anything electricital, but
mebbe bring in some new Mormons to the church.

Steve

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:07:02 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up)


Great way to smoke those transformers. He's talking about 400 homes
per generator. Around here that's 200A service per home, and if they
are using electric heat they will be using a lot of that. What pole pig
will let you feed that kind of current into the secondary?


It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.
We don't have pole pigs in my neigbourhood - Ours are in vaults
underground. There ARE pole pigs around in some other local areas.
but how big are the generators. And also, what voltage? Could
perhaps connect at a substation.

wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:07:02 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up)


Great way to smoke those transformers. He's talking about 400 homes
per generator. Around here that's 200A service per home, and if they
are using electric heat they will be using a lot of that. What pole pig
will let you feed that kind of current into the secondary?


It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.
We don't have pole pigs in my neigbourhood - Ours are in vaults
underground. There ARE pole pigs around in some other local areas.
but how big are the generators. And also, what voltage? Could
perhaps connect at a substation.


I've NEVER seen a substation handle any 240V, other than to power the
monitor equipment. They drop the HV distribution to medium voltage, to
feed the sistribution transformers. He claimed that seven generators
would power 2800 homes. That's 400 homes per generator, and even if
each home only got 50A average, that 2,000 A at 240 V. Where would they
find fuel for them?

On 11/3/2012 8:42 PM, Why are people so cruel wrote:

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of
the governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800
houses lit up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the
Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

It's new York.

wrote

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

Are they tight enough with the local elec unions that they will be allowed
to work?

Steve

"Gunner" wrote

You seem to forget..New Jersey and the hard hit areas are primarily
Democrat areas. Where the people are self centered morons of the worst
sort.

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Man-...e-Sandy?page=3

Gunner

I remember a story from Sweden or Norway. They had some sort of a disaster,
and people were at a shelter. There was a big coffee pot, water, and
coffee. But no one would take the initiative to make coffee. They'd let
the pot go dry, and burn, and wait for one of the workers to fill it up
again.

Steve

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:42:23 +1000, "Why are people so cruel"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of
the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800
houses lit up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the
Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.


You seem to forget..New Jersey and the hard hit areas are primarily
Democrat areas. Where the people are self centered morons of the worst
sort.

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Man-...e-Sandy?page=3


Only in America, comes to mind. But I am sure that the acts of selfless
bravery will far outweigh the less than valourous.

Australia has a very well developed social security system along with
medical care, so I am not sure that its a political thing in the way that
people help each other out in times of strife. Maybe its the low wage
mentality in the USA, everyone wants money to do something and wont
use their initiative. I suppose if you are a minimum wage earner it would
have been impossible to buy up on tinned food and a camping stove to
ride out the worst.

Steve B wrote:

wrote

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

Are they tight enough with the local elec unions that they will be allowed
to work?


Who cares? Let then go without electricity because of a crooked
union. They're New Yorkers & they deserve the unions that they let ride
roughshod over them..

"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this
hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place
cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their
apartments they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are
limited to what they can carry on foot.

Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their
own chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:58:49 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:


wrote

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

Are they tight enough with the local elec unions that they will be allowed
to work?

Steve

They are, as far as I know, all IBEW members - and they've helped in
just about every other major power outage disaster , from New Orleans
on north.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:58:49 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:


wrote

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

Are they tight enough with the local elec unions that they will be allowed
to work?

Steve

They are, as far as I know, all IBEW members - and they've helped in
just about every other major power outage disaster , from New Orleans
on north.

What was the problem with the Alabama guys the other day?

Steve

Steve B wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:58:49 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:


wrote

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

Are they tight enough with the local elec unions that they will be allowed
to work?

Steve

They are, as far as I know, all IBEW members - and they've helped in
just about every other major power outage disaster , from New Orleans
on north.

What was the problem with the Alabama guys the other day?


Isn't just being from Alabama a big enough problem? ;-)

I know that I couldn't wait to leave there, even though I was supposed
to be on my way to Vietnam.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their apartments
they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are limited to what they
can carry on foot.


I had nt thought about the apartment dwellers - I suspect not too many
would have a yard broom and shovel. But in the outer suburbs with
ordinary housing you cant tell me that no one has a broom and shovel.

We drove about 100kms to help out, there were people who drove
upto 300kms to help in the Brisbane floods. But the difference being
that fuel supplies were only slightly disrupted and the major refineries
barely missed a beat.

I think one of the other differences is that we have a well established
civil defence organisation "State emergency service" which carry out
drills and exercises just for such emergencies - but again apart from
a handful of the head office administrators they are all volunteers, they
even have to do fund raising to buy their equipment.


Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their own
chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their apartments
they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are limited to what they
can carry on foot.

Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their own
chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw

If you are talking about people living in Manhattan apartments they will not
have chainsaws, etc.. But there is a lot of New York outside of Manhattan,
even in the outer boroughs of NYC such as Staten Island you will see plenty
of chain saws and other equipment. Also, out of the city most fire
departments and ambulance companies are volunteers. There are plenty of
volunteers in NY and quite a few resourceful residents.

"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
d.com...

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place
cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their
apartments they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are limited
to what they can carry on foot.


I had nt thought about the apartment dwellers - I suspect not too many
would have a yard broom and shovel. But in the outer suburbs with
ordinary housing you cant tell me that no one has a broom and shovel.

We drove about 100kms to help out, there were people who drove
upto 300kms to help in the Brisbane floods. But the difference being
that fuel supplies were only slightly disrupted and the major refineries
barely missed a beat.

I think one of the other differences is that we have a well established
civil defence organisation "State emergency service" which carry out
drills and exercises just for such emergencies - but again apart from
a handful of the head office administrators they are all volunteers, they
even have to do fund raising to buy their equipment.


We have the volunteer Red Cross which runs shelters and helps people
affected by disasters.

With the unions turning away workers,
there is certain to be more days of power
out. I guess NYC gets what it deserves?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


Are they tight enough with the local elec unions that they will be allowed
to work?


Who cares? Let then go without electricity because of a crooked
union. They're New Yorkers & they deserve the unions that they let ride
roughshod over them..

I sure do that kind of thing. I take what equipment I have, and go help out
when needed. Until the union guys turn me away, that is.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...


New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their
apartments they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are
limited to what they can carry on foot.

Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their
own chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:11:52 -0700, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:58:14 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

--
EA, born/bred N'Yawker, headed for Canada.

Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I hope the Canuckistanis catch him trying to sneak across their
border. Oh, damn. They don't use guns up there...

--
The great thing about getting older is that
you don't lose all the other ages you've been.
-- Madeleine L'Engle

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:11:52 -0700, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:58:14 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

--
EA, born/bred N'Yawker, headed for Canada.

Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I hope the Canuckistanis catch him trying to sneak across their
border. Oh, damn. They don't use guns up there...


Are they out of treined Polar Bears? In his case I think that they
should break out the BiPolar Bears.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

With the unions turning away workers,
there is certain to be more days of power
out. I guess NYC gets what it deserves?


Yes, if they let the unions get away with it.

Posting from RCM as always.

If the sheeple revolt, will the unionized cops arrest them, the unionized
judges sentence them to stretch in the union run greybar motel?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Stormin Mormon wrote:

With the unions turning away workers,
there is certain to be more days of power
out. I guess NYC gets what it deserves?


Yes, if they let the unions get away with it.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Posting from RCM as always.

If the sheeple revolt, will the unionized cops arrest them, the unionized
judges sentence them to stretch in the union run greybar motel?


That all depends on how revolting they are. Err, on how well they
can revolt. ;-)

It was on the AM radio a couple days ago. Some
power company guys from Alabama drove the
long way up, and were turned away when the
union guys wanted to see their union cards.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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wrote in message
...

I missed reading about unions sending away
non union volunteers. Where
and when was that reported?

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 05:52:05 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

It was on the AM radio a couple days ago. Some
power company guys from Alabama drove the
long way up, and were turned away when the
union guys wanted to see their union cards.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

wrote in message
.. .

I missed reading about unions sending away
non union volunteers. Where
and when was that reported?

Ah yes, AM radio, a source known for it's integrity, honesty, and
truthfulness. Thank you for your help.

Glenn Beck:
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/02/...union-workers/

Yep, good quality AM radio news. I rely on it.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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wrote in message
...

Ah yes, AM radio, a source known for it's integrity, honesty, and
truthfulness. Thank you for your help.

On 11/5/2012 1:39 AM, Gummer whined:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 00:08:21 -0500, wrote:
...
I missed reading about unions sending away non union volunteers. Where
and when was that reported?

Crom..it was reported just about everywhere except on the MSM

Your false generalizations aside, even snopes.com has debunked that:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/...#ixzz2BJFi8agn

Published: Nov. 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

HUNTSVILLE, Ala., Nov. 2 (UPI) -- Three Alabama utility companies Friday
denied reports their crews weren't permitted to help restore power in
New Jersey because the workers were non-union.

Several conservative media organizations -- including Fox News and the
Drudge Report -- picked up a story from an Alabama TV station that crews
from Huntsville Utilities and Joe Wheeler Electrical Membership Corp.
weren't allowed to help with electrical service restoration in New
Jersey because they don't belong to a union.

A third Alabama utility, Decatur Utilities, said its employees were
asked to affiliate with a union before starting to work on the power
restoration in the aftermath of superstorm Sandy, AL.com reported.

Huntsville Utilities spokes Bill Yell said nine of his company's
employees were working in New Jersey.

"That's a rumor," he said of the report that workers who traveled to New
Jersey to help out were being turned away.

Joe Wheeler EMC said on its website reports that its workers were turned
away from Hurricane Sandy relief efforts "are not true."

"Joe Wheeler EMC was never commissioned to go to New Jersey or New
York," the company said. "Instead, JWEMC sent eight linemen to Denton,
Maryland, to help out Choptank Electric Cooperative."


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201..._non-unio.html

v"It is the policy of this union and the companies we represent to
welcome assistance during major natural disasters – regardless of union
status,” Jim Spellane, spokesman for the national office, said in a
statement. “IBEW local leaders in New Jersey have reiterated what has
been the long standing record of our union – in times of crisis all help
is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the
public."

Hardin and a company representative did not respond to several requests
for details about the documentation, including which IBEW jurisdiction
might have sent it.

Although Hardin says that “at no time were our crews ‘turned away" from
the Seaside Heights utility, “it was and remains our understanding that
agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work
in those areas.”

In his statement, Hardin said the company tried to contact “other areas”
where the crew might be needed.

"However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could
not agree to … we ultimately made the decision to return (the crew) to
Decatur," he said.

Two other Alabama utilities were initially mentioned by a Huntsville
(Ala.) television station in a story reporting that non-union crews had
been turned aside.

One of those, Trinity, Ala.-based Joe Wheeler, was never in New Jersey
and is unionized, its CEO, George Kitchens, said this morning.

Eight Wheeler workers were instead dispatched to Maryland before the
storm hit and have completed their work there, company spokeswoman Mandi
Phillips said.

"We are headed back home," she said. "We were never turned away."

Bill Yell, communications manager for Huntsville Utilities, said he was
not aware a union issue had prevented three of that company’s crews from
working in New Jersey.

Gunner on Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:39:04 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Crom..it was reported just about everywhere except on the MSM

THE MSM - Democrat operatives with by-lines.



--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:09:54 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:58:46 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:
Oh, he meant MSN, didn't he? whap

No.."Main Stream Media" = MSM

But of course.

--
While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy
is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our
creativity, or our glorious uniqueness.
-- Gilda Radner