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Recently I bought a Smart Tool Level along w/ the 2', 4' frames & the
magnetic holder, all for ~ $200 inc shipping. I am very disappointed.
Not so much w/ the Smart Tool Level it's self but w/ the 3
accessories. Before I go into my complaints, I have a comment &
question. ~ 10 yrs ago I worked for a company that supplied me w/ this
type of level. I just loved it. I've been meaning to buy one for
years. The thing is that now that I think of it, I don't remember it
being named “Smart Tool Level” I think it was called “Smart Level”. In
any case the original one had a 2' & a 3' frame. (I think), besides
being able to be used bare) These frames were made of very nice wood
w/ metal around the edges. And the level fit into them w/o much
hassle. I had the feeling it was a quality package. My question is was
the older unit I used called “Smart Level” or was it also called
“Smart Tool Level”?
Now my complaints: Both alloy frames are very cheesy aluminum. I don't
think they could take much accidental abuse. The magnetic frame is a
real joke; it has about a 2 or 3” magnet on the very end of it. Now
how accurate can that be? It certainly wasn't worth the 10 bucks I
paid for it. Also the level has no way to hang it on a wall, & a
protective bag wasn't even included.
But my real bitch is that in order to mount it into any of the frames,
the 2 screws that hold it together have to to be removed which splits
the unit lengthwise allowing the 9V battery to fall out & dangle by
it's leads before the entire affair is sandwiched back together,
clamping the level down on the frame. This strikes me as about as
cheap & poorly engineered as possible in this day & age of constant
falling prices for electronic gear.
Does anyone else use one of these? And if so what are your thoughts.
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Recently I bought a Smart Tool Level along w/ the 2', 4' frames & the
magnetic holder, all for ~ $200 inc shipping. I am very disappointed.
Not so much w/ the Smart Tool Level it's self but w/ the 3
accessories. Before I go into my complaints, I have a comment &
question. ~ 10 yrs ago I worked for a company that supplied me w/ this
type of level. I just loved it. I've been meaning to buy one for
years. The thing is that now that I think of it, I don't remember it
being named “Smart Tool Level” I think it was called “Smart Level”. In
any case the original one had a 2' & a 3' frame. (I think), besides
being able to be used bare) These frames were made of very nice wood
w/ metal around the edges. And the level fit into them w/o much
hassle. I had the feeling it was a quality package. My question is was
the older unit I used called “Smart Level” or was it also called
“Smart Tool Level”?
Now my complaints: Both alloy frames are very cheesy aluminum. I don't
think they could take much accidental abuse. The magnetic frame is a
real joke; it has about a 2 or 3” magnet on the very end of it. Now
how accurate can that be? It certainly wasn't worth the 10 bucks I
paid for it. Also the level has no way to hang it on a wall, & a
protective bag wasn't even included.
But my real bitch is that in order to mount it into any of the frames,
the 2 screws that hold it together have to to be removed which splits
the unit lengthwise allowing the 9V battery to fall out & dangle by
it's leads before the entire affair is sandwiched back together,
clamping the level down on the frame. This strikes me as about as
cheap & poorly engineered as possible in this day & age of constant
falling prices for electronic gear.
Does anyone else use one of these? And if so what are your thoughts.

I've got one and use it once in awhile. Every time I pick it up, the
battery is dead and needs replacement and then of course the calibration
routine. Mine only reads to 0.1 degree. There is a more sensitive one that
reads to 0.01 degree but I think it's accuracy is not that good.

Stu Fields


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I don't understand why any "Level" would need a battery.
Bubble vials with arc seconds accuracy have been available for
many many years. And anything of lesser accuracy is
really cheep. ??????
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I don't understand why any "Level" would need a battery.
Bubble vials with arc seconds accuracy have been available for
many many years. And anything of lesser accuracy is
really cheep. ??????
...lew...


Lew: This "Smart Level" that I have is more like a digital protractor. Yep
I have a machinist level that is super precise but is hard to use to measure
angles. I've used electronic tiltmeters to read to better than 10 seconds
of arc.
Stu


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On Aug 19, 8:20*am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
I don't understand why any "Level" would need a battery.
Bubble vials with arc seconds accuracy have been available for
many many years. And anything of lesser accuracy is
really cheep. ??????
* * ...lew...



I could be very mistaken, but the accurate levels w/ a rotating bubble
are more expensive that my set up & I'm not aware of any that will fit
into various length frames. I would be glad to be mistaken. Please
advise of Mfg s & models that would do this, & I'll return this POS &
get your recommendations. I hope I'm more ignorant in this manor than
I thought I was.
It does many things that I thought a bubble level won't do. For
example reading the angle of a tube of a bicycle frame to 0.1 deg.
(Although in all reality 0.5 deg or 1.0 deg would probably be good
enough) But please believe me the original set I used was very
accurate, useful & a pleasure to use. It's just that I'm doubting
that my set is made by the same Company. Does any one have any insight
into this?
Thank you very much


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Stu Fields wrote:
"Lewis Hartswick" wrote in message
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I don't understand why any "Level" would need a battery.
Bubble vials with arc seconds accuracy have been available for
many many years. And anything of lesser accuracy is
really cheep. ??????
...lew...


Lew: This "Smart Level" that I have is more like a digital protractor. Yep
I have a machinist level that is super precise but is hard to use to measure
angles. I've used electronic tiltmeters to read to better than 10 seconds
of arc.
Stu


Then it's NOT a "level". Why in the world do they call it that?
It's an inclinometer or as you say tilt meter.
...lew...
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