They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.


Bloomberg: the most egocentric N'Yawk-centric 3-term asshole on earth
Who quintupled his wealth while mayor.
Dats why all these billionaires are running for office now, dey wanna Be
Like Mike.... heh, makes sense.
So they aren't imbecilic at all, much as it often appears that way. They
are deadly, diabolical strategists.
Little Mike Bloomberg waves his dick like a billy club..

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800
houses lit up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the
Marathon.

Un Believable.

It is.
Itsa BizarroWorld around here, orchestrated by the very rich. It's like
being in a puppet show, and we are the puppets. "Don't yank my chain"??
Our chains are being yanked 24/7/365. My arms/legs are being yanked out of
their sockets.

But when you really examine the dynamics of power, their expert division of
the population, EVERYTHING they do makes perfect sense.
You think this multi-lingual bull**** is politically correck ""diversity"'??
Sheeit, it's the Great Cultural ConJob/Divide, deftly orchestrated by these
assholes to keep us dizzy/diverse.... comprende??
--
EA, born/bred N'Yawker, headed for Canada.



Steve

Just some of the issues the the fancy guys in the ivory towers
overlooked: 1. the starting place - that island had yet to get any
services and had no water, gas, electricity and the mess was all over
the streets. 2. After leaving this forgotten island, they move to
the next worst place - both being on the north side of the storm with
the strongest winds.

I venture guess someone finally flew him in a helicopter over the route
to bring him to reality. Or got a film to him in the nick of time.

Unless you have been in such of mess - total mess it is - you have no
idea. I've lived a month on generators. A pacific storm. Two weeks
because of the massive Earthquake. Oh - for those who watched the
Baseball game - San Fran was in the world series and another disaster
occurred, this time on the East Coast.

Maybe Ivory tower guys got to see a video over their catered lunch.

Where is the help and the trailers for those who lost their homes and
were run out of their apartments with no place to go...

Sad times indeed.

Martin

On 11/2/2012 9:29 PM, Steve B wrote:
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

"Martin Eastburn" wrote in message
...
Just some of the issues the the fancy guys in the ivory towers overlooked:
1. the starting place - that island had yet to get any services and had no
water, gas, electricity and the mess was all over
the streets. 2. After leaving this forgotten island, they move to
the next worst place - both being on the north side of the storm with
the strongest winds.

I venture guess someone finally flew him in a helicopter over the route
to bring him to reality. Or got a film to him in the nick of time.

Unless you have been in such of mess - total mess it is - you have no
idea. I've lived a month on generators. A pacific storm. Two weeks
because of the massive Earthquake. Oh - for those who watched the
Baseball game - San Fran was in the world series and another disaster
occurred, this time on the East Coast.

Maybe Ivory tower guys got to see a video over their catered lunch.

Where is the help and the trailers for those who lost their homes and
were run out of their apartments with no place to go...

Sad times indeed.

Martin

I did see some sensible behavior in the video I watched at
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-n...67322#49667322

Trailers of food, water, and such. It is just almost criminal to me that
they have wasted time, chasing after the marathon, and some insisting it go
on, and now all that time was wasted, when it could have been applied to
people. Don't know if it was mayor or gov who said, people cry, people die,
life goes on, or something like that. And another that said NY'ers needed
something to cheer about. Mebbe, but I think they'd cheer more for some
warmth from their furnace, some warm food, and a warm dry place to sleep.

We'll see how it all shakes out. Brings out the best and worst in people.

Go home, scabs! NY'er union guys to Alabama electricians who drove up on
their own dollars to help.

God help them all.

Steve

Steve B wrote:

I did see some sensible behavior in the video I watched at
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-n...67322#49667322

Trailers of food, water, and such. It is just almost criminal to me that
they have wasted time, chasing after the marathon, and some insisting it go
on, and now all that time was wasted, when it could have been applied to
people. Don't know if it was mayor or gov who said, people cry, people die,
life goes on, or something like that. And another that said NY'ers needed
something to cheer about. Mebbe, but I think they'd cheer more for some
warmth from their furnace, some warm food, and a warm dry place to sleep.

We'll see how it all shakes out. Brings out the best and worst in people.

Go home, scabs! NY'er union guys to Alabama electricians who drove up on
their own dollars to help.


Does that surprise you?


God help them all.


Amen.

Martin Eastburn wrote:

Just some of the issues the the fancy guys in the ivory towers
overlooked: 1. the starting place - that island had yet to get any
services and had no water, gas, electricity and the mess was all over
the streets. 2. After leaving this forgotten island, they move to
the next worst place - both being on the north side of the storm with
the strongest winds.

I venture guess someone finally flew him in a helicopter over the route
to bring him to reality. Or got a film to him in the nick of time.

Unless you have been in such of mess - total mess it is - you have no
idea. I've lived a month on generators. A pacific storm. Two weeks
because of the massive Earthquake. Oh - for those who watched the
Baseball game - San Fran was in the world series and another disaster
occurred, this time on the East Coast.

Maybe Ivory tower guys got to see a video over their catered lunch.

Where is the help and the trailers for those who lost their homes and
were run out of their apartments with no place to go...


Kick out the UN, and use their building for the displaced.

On Nov 2, 7:29*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
They cancelled the marathon. *Holy crap. *What took them so long? *Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? *Sleep? *Buy gas and
essentials? *To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. *All of them. *Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. *There will be death in the gas lines. *In
the looting. *In the coming cold. *It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. *They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

I bet those 7 generators are still sitting there.

Bloomberg should be on site staying in an apartment that has no power
and no heat. Might give him some sense of reality.

Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up) It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of
the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses
lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up) It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

Mebbe you could go there and help. Wait! That could be dangerous. Better
just let them figure it out. Bet those Alabama boys are still scratching
their heads. Utah sent 16 guys to help. Haven't heard what happened to
them yet, tho. Probably won't be able to do anything electricital, but
mebbe bring in some new Mormons to the church.

Steve

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:17:52 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of
the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses
lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up) It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

Mebbe you could go there and help. Wait! That could be dangerous. Better
just let them figure it out. Bet those Alabama boys are still scratching
their heads. Utah sent 16 guys to help. Haven't heard what happened to
them yet, tho. Probably won't be able to do anything electricital, but
mebbe bring in some new Mormons to the church.

Steve

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

wrote

Six Hydro districts up here are sending crews to New York this weekend
to get the lines back up, the trees off the lines, poles reset etc.

Guelph, Waterloo North, Kitchener Wilmot, and 3 others from the
surrounding area if my memory serves correctly.

Are they tight enough with the local elec unions that they will be allowed
to work?

Steve

wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up)


Great way to smoke those transformers. He's talking about 400 homes
per generator. Around here that's 200A service per home, and if they
are using electric heat they will be using a lot of that. What pole pig
will let you feed that kind of current into the secondary?


It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:07:02 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up)


Great way to smoke those transformers. He's talking about 400 homes
per generator. Around here that's 200A service per home, and if they
are using electric heat they will be using a lot of that. What pole pig
will let you feed that kind of current into the secondary?


It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.
We don't have pole pigs in my neigbourhood - Ours are in vaults
underground. There ARE pole pigs around in some other local areas.
but how big are the generators. And also, what voltage? Could
perhaps connect at a substation.

wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:07:02 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:01:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Steve B wrote:

They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines. In
the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and that
is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800 houses lit
up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the Marathon.


How? Are they going to build a specail substaion to upconvert the
voltage? How do they isolate those 2800 homes from the grid?


Un Believable.


Yes, you are.
Isolate from the grid is simple. Pull fuses or cut wires. Upconvert
is no problem at all. connect generator to the low voltage side of one
of the transformers and it is upconverted to high voltage on the other
side, and stepped back down for the houses on the next transformer. 7
generators can connect to 7 subsegments isolated from each other and
the grid by pulling fuses (or throwing switches, depending how the
particular local grid is set up)


Great way to smoke those transformers. He's talking about 400 homes
per generator. Around here that's 200A service per home, and if they
are using electric heat they will be using a lot of that. What pole pig
will let you feed that kind of current into the secondary?


It was done during/after the big ice
storm in eastern Ontario. Big locomotive sized deisel generators
hooked up to run entire small towns.
We don't have pole pigs in my neigbourhood - Ours are in vaults
underground. There ARE pole pigs around in some other local areas.
but how big are the generators. And also, what voltage? Could
perhaps connect at a substation.


I've NEVER seen a substation handle any 240V, other than to power the
monitor equipment. They drop the HV distribution to medium voltage, to
feed the sistribution transformers. He claimed that seven generators
would power 2800 homes. That's 400 homes per generator, and even if
each home only got 50A average, that 2,000 A at 240 V. Where would they
find fuel for them?

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of the
governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800
houses lit up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the
Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

On 11/3/2012 8:42 PM, Why are people so cruel wrote:

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
They cancelled the marathon. Holy crap. What took them so long? Where
were all the thousands of people going to eat? Sleep? Buy gas and
essentials? To let it go so far was just a reflection of the state of
the governments. All of them. Imbeciles.

The death toll is yet to be set. There will be death in the gas lines.
In the looting. In the coming cold. It ain't over until it's over, and
that is a good way off at this pace. They could have already had 2800
houses lit up with the 7 generators they have at Central Park for the
Marathon.

Un Believable.

Steve

As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

It's new York.

"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this
hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place
cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their
apartments they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are
limited to what they can carry on foot.

Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their
own chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their apartments
they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are limited to what they
can carry on foot.


I had nt thought about the apartment dwellers - I suspect not too many
would have a yard broom and shovel. But in the outer suburbs with
ordinary housing you cant tell me that no one has a broom and shovel.

We drove about 100kms to help out, there were people who drove
upto 300kms to help in the Brisbane floods. But the difference being
that fuel supplies were only slightly disrupted and the major refineries
barely missed a beat.

I think one of the other differences is that we have a well established
civil defence organisation "State emergency service" which carry out
drills and exercises just for such emergencies - but again apart from
a handful of the head office administrators they are all volunteers, they
even have to do fund raising to buy their equipment.


Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their own
chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw

"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
d.com...

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place
cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their
apartments they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are limited
to what they can carry on foot.


I had nt thought about the apartment dwellers - I suspect not too many
would have a yard broom and shovel. But in the outer suburbs with
ordinary housing you cant tell me that no one has a broom and shovel.

We drove about 100kms to help out, there were people who drove
upto 300kms to help in the Brisbane floods. But the difference being
that fuel supplies were only slightly disrupted and the major refineries
barely missed a beat.

I think one of the other differences is that we have a well established
civil defence organisation "State emergency service" which carry out
drills and exercises just for such emergencies - but again apart from
a handful of the head office administrators they are all volunteers, they
even have to do fund raising to buy their equipment.


We have the volunteer Red Cross which runs shelters and helps people
affected by disasters.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
news:4Kjls.614
As a total outsider I just dont understand why it has to be this hard.
When the floods hit Brisbane, Australia in January 2010, there were
thousands of volunteers cleaning up and providing food and water all
doing it for free. We did nt wait for government to get the place cleaned
up, about the only government involvement was to provide trucks to
take away the debris. The volunteers were on the scene well before
the Army got its act together. Those who could not do the physical
work would walk around the streets making sure everyone had enough
water in the hot and humid weather.

New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their apartments
they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are limited to what they
can carry on foot.

Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their own
chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw

If you are talking about people living in Manhattan apartments they will not
have chainsaws, etc.. But there is a lot of New York outside of Manhattan,
even in the outer boroughs of NYC such as Staten Island you will see plenty
of chain saws and other equipment. Also, out of the city most fire
departments and ambulance companies are volunteers. There are plenty of
volunteers in NY and quite a few resourceful residents.

I sure do that kind of thing. I take what equipment I have, and go help out
when needed. Until the union guys turn me away, that is.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...


New Yorkers are completely dependent on services, outside their
apartments they are like primitive nomads whose possessions are
limited to what they can carry on foot.

Out here in 'flyover country' people will show up to help with their
own chainsaws, generators, pumps, plow trucks and bucket loaders.
jsw