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better wire stripper and crimp pins
My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers
action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? I'm in love with the D-sub crimper DoN put me on to. I used to tin the ends of very small wire before putting in a terminal strip. Today, I just crimped D-sub pins on. Quicker and better than tinning. But, made me wonder, is there a crimp product made just for terminal strip insertion? Karl |
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On Nov 21, 10:48*am, Karl Townsend
wrote: My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? Paladin makes a pliers-type gizmo that works well; pricey, though. http://www.stanleysupplyservices.com...ct-group.aspx? id=5475&pn=412-158 I usually use the pliers-type with ground notches and spring opening (Diamond WS7E is the make and model I like best), but you have to protect the edges (it has to go in a holster so the sharp bits don't get dinged in the tool pile). |
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On Nov 21, 1:48*pm, Karl Townsend
wrote: My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? ... Karl http://www.swaintools.com/store/pc/c...reStripper.jpg jsw |
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On 11/21/2010 1:48 PM, Karl Townsend wrote:
My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? I have stripped about a zillion wire ends in the past half century. I have used the pliers type and the circle type and any other type that fell across the bench. I now use a thermal stripper or plain old scissor type strippers. If you need a crutch when stripping insulation try no-niks: http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/7133.pdf I'm in love with the D-sub crimper DoN put me on to. I used to tin the ends of very small wire before putting in a terminal strip. Today, I just crimped D-sub pins on. Quicker and better than tinning. But, made me wonder, is there a crimp product made just for terminal strip insertion? It is not considered good practice to tin stranded wire for insertion into a terminal block. The solder cold flows and the connection loosens, and the solder/wire intersection forms a brittle stress point. Kevin Gallimore |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message ... My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? I'm in love with the D-sub crimper DoN put me on to. I used to tin the ends of very small wire before putting in a terminal strip. Today, I just crimped D-sub pins on. Quicker and better than tinning. But, made me wonder, is there a crimp product made just for terminal strip insertion? Karl I used to strip 30ga wires for wire wrapping and found that Clauss No-Nik wire strippers were the best thing going and the only stripper that would do teflon insulation other than a thermal stripper. http://www.twacomm.com/catalog/model_NN008.htm They always worked and never nicked a wire. Highly recommended. Art |
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On Nov 21, 7:24*pm, "Artemus" wrote:
"Karl Townsend" wrote in message ... My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? I'm in love with the D-sub crimper DoN put me on to. I used to tin the ends of very small wire before putting in a terminal strip. Today, I just crimped D-sub pins on. Quicker and better than tinning. But, made me wonder, is there a crimp product made just for terminal strip insertion? Karl I used to strip 30ga wires for wire wrapping and found that Clauss No-Nik wire strippers were the best thing going and the only stripper that would do teflon insulation other than a thermal stripper.http://www.twacomm.com/catalog/model_NN008.htm They always worked and never nicked a wire. *Highly recommended. Art Second that. Their only minor problem is in stripping to exact length. jsw |
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"axolotl" wrote in message ... On 11/21/2010 1:48 PM, Karl Townsend wrote: My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? I have stripped about a zillion wire ends in the past half century. I have used the pliers type and the circle type and any other type that fell across the bench. I now use a thermal stripper or plain old scissor type strippers. If you need a crutch when stripping insulation try no-niks: http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/7133.pdf I'm in love with the D-sub crimper DoN put me on to. I used to tin the ends of very small wire before putting in a terminal strip. Today, I just crimped D-sub pins on. Quicker and better than tinning. But, made me wonder, is there a crimp product made just for terminal strip insertion? It is not considered good practice to tin stranded wire for insertion into a terminal block. The solder cold flows and the connection loosens, and the solder/wire intersection forms a brittle stress point. Kevin Gallimore Bootlace ferrules make for a neat job. http://cse-distributors.co.uk/cabmgmt/bootlace.htm |
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On 2010-11-21, Karl Townsend wrote:
My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? I'm in love with the D-sub crimper DoN put me on to. I thought that you would be, once you used it. :-) I used to tin the ends of very small wire before putting in a terminal strip. Today, I just crimped D-sub pins on. Quicker and better than tinning. But, made me wonder, is there a crimp product made just for terminal strip insertion? Which kind of terminal strip? Forked terminals are good for strips like the Jones Barrier strips. The best are the kind (AMP makes them, of course) which have little bulges on the tips so you can snap them over the loosened screw shank, and wait until you have one or two more snapped in place before tightening. Now -- I've seen crimp on terminals for the kind of strip which normally accepts bare wire -- but I don't know where to get them. They were of the Type-F (flag) crimp -- similar to but not identical to the D-sub terminals. Probably AMP/Tyco makes them, but you would need an industrial catalog to find them -- and then the trick is to find the right crimper at eBay prices. :-) Good Luck, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On 2010-11-21, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:32:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:48:18 -0600, Karl Townsend wrote: My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? [ ... ] The one above..assuming the wire size is proper..should be on your list of things to purchase. [ ... ] Will these work well on extremely small stranded wire, like #28. I thought the bigger units would cut off a few of these very fine wires when stripping. The nicest one for the smaller sizes is one which looks similar, but the brand is "Nickless" and it has two blue plastic insert blades from a turret dispenser. (I hope that they are still made -- I may need more blades soon. :-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Bootlace ferrules make for a neat job. http://cse-distributors.co.uk/cabmgmt/bootlace.htm BINGO! I didn't know what to call them, Digikey stocks all sorts. http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=288-1003-ND DoN, I need another crimper. Would you bring up the data sheet on the above item and tell me which crimper to go for? Karl |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message news ... Bootlace ferrules make for a neat job. http://cse-distributors.co.uk/cabmgmt/bootlace.htm BINGO! I didn't know what to call them, Digikey stocks all sorts. http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=288-1003-ND DoN, I need another crimper. Would you bring up the data sheet on the above item and tell me which crimper to go for? Karl Don'll know the ones! My personsal preference is to use a crimper that folds the lug in on itself length-ways rather than the ones that do square corrugated crimp (horribly vague description!)like this: http://vk1od.net/module/dc/bootlace.jpg Sorry I couldn't find a picture of the crimp style that I prefer. The jaws that do it may be a bit like this: http://techno.com.my/online/images/ken515-6200k.jpg Make sure to fit the smallest ferrule that will just slide over the wire. If they are a little loose sometimes twisting the wires with your fingers will increase the diameter just enough for a snug fit. |
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Stranded wire crimp terminals are available in pin-style tips with insulated
collars, which are the same crimp sizes as the more common red/blue/yellow crimp terminals. http://www.alliedelec.com/search/pro...px?SKU=3810857 These pin terminals can be used in DIN rail strips or most connections that accept bare stranded or solid wire ends. Some connecting blocks won't accept multiple pin-style wire terminals, and if several side-by-side or random block positions are allocated for the same electrical connection (several for ground, for example), the installer can daisychain several connector block positions on the system side of the connector block/DIN rail. Standard quality crimping tools are generally acceptable for the pin-style terminals. Many/most electrical supplies distributors will stock the pin-style crimp terminals, as thay're a common termination product in industrial systems. -- WB .......... "Karl Townsend" wrote in message ... My horrible fright quality wire stripper has worn out... Its a pliers action that clamps then brings two blades on the wire before pulling. For stripping #22 to #28 wire, what's a good unit? I'm in love with the D-sub crimper DoN put me on to. I used to tin the ends of very small wire before putting in a terminal strip. Today, I just crimped D-sub pins on. Quicker and better than tinning. But, made me wonder, is there a crimp product made just for terminal strip insertion? Karl |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:10:11 +0800, "Dennis"
wrote: "Karl Townsend" wrote in message news ... Bootlace ferrules make for a neat job. http://cse-distributors.co.uk/cabmgmt/bootlace.htm BINGO! I didn't know what to call them, Digikey stocks all sorts. http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=288-1003-ND DoN, I need another crimper. Would you bring up the data sheet on the above item and tell me which crimper to go for? Karl Don'll know the ones! My personsal preference is to use a crimper that folds the lug in on itself length-ways rather than the ones that do square corrugated crimp (horribly vague description!)like this: http://vk1od.net/module/dc/bootlace.jpg Sorry I couldn't find a picture of the crimp style that I prefer. The jaws that do it may be a bit like this: http://techno.com.my/online/images/ken515-6200k.jpg Make sure to fit the smallest ferrule that will just slide over the wire. If they are a little loose sometimes twisting the wires with your fingers will increase the diameter just enough for a snug fit. I bought a couple of these at work back when I was doing a lot of enclosures. http://www.weidmueller.com/73645/Pro.../cw_index.aspx Plus a couple of these. Worked great, push to start, stopped automatically at preset torque. It was on the company dime, though. This url may wrap in some newsreaders. http://catalog.weidmueller.com/proca...9&page=G roup The instrument techs loved 'em. I managed to hang on to them until I changed assignments. Pete Keillor |
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On Nov 22, 6:27*am, Karl Townsend
wrote: ... Bootlace ferrules make for a neat job. http://cse-distributors.co.uk/cabmgmt/bootlace.htm BINGO! I didn't know what to call them, Digikey stocks all sorts. http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...tail&name=288-.... DoN, I need another crimper. Would you bring up the data sheet on the above item and tell me which crimper to go for? Karl The absolutely best way to do this is to ask the terminal manufacturer which crimpers they approve. There are many that will get you close, some even close enough, but if you want your crimps to be truly up to spec, you need to use the crimper that is specd by the terminal manufacturer. On top of that, many crimpers have adjustments, and some of the adjustment procedures are more complicated than you might think. We used to have a factory guy from AMP come out periodically and adjust our hand crimpers and the die sets on the automatic machines. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 05:27:58 -0600, Karl Townsend
wrote: ... Bootlace ferrules make for a neat job. http://cse-distributors.co.uk/cabmgmt/bootlace.htm BINGO! I didn't know what to call them, Digikey stocks all sorts. http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=288-1003-ND DoN, I need another crimper. Would you bring up the data sheet on the above item and tell me which crimper to go for? Karl Automation Direct has the best prices on ferrules I've found, by far -- 500 for $6 in the small sizes. http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/...or_Single_Wire I use a ferrule crimper made by Wago. I haven't tried Automation Direct's crimper. http://www.wago.us/products/2455.htm -- Ned Simmons |
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axolotl wrote:
... If you need a crutch when stripping insulation try no-niks: http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/7133.pdf ... They look like they're the "real thing". But, each stripper is good for one size only (and stranded is a different size from solid) and they are $40 each. A set could cost you $400 and MIGHT be justified in a professional context. Bob |
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On 2010-11-22, Karl Townsend wrote:
[ ... ] http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=288-1003-ND DoN, I need another crimper. Would you bring up the data sheet on the above item and tell me which crimper to go for? Done in private e-mail. Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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