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My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't
like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl |
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Karl Townsend wrote:
My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl 99c and free shipping! eBay 250563264822, 250563316731, 250563316256 Also use search term 'windows xp sp3' in eBay search window for other low - cost approaches. The best answer for me has been to buy a replacement HD and install the OS to it. Save the original HD for hardware testing and rainy days. You may have to download one or two drivers and install them manually. --Winston -- Machining can only occur between one Catholic and one Bridgeport. Other people and machines can continue to enjoy their hobby within a Mechanical Partnership but to protect our fine tradition, they must be prevented from actually Machining. To grant them the ability to Machine would ruin this traditional institution for Catholics, Bridgeports and everyone and everything else. Do we think that a Unitarian and her Deckel has any valid claim to the freedom and sanctity of Machining? Of course not! We cannot risk validating this gravely unjust pairing; to recognize it would send the wrong message to our precious youth. Who knows how many young lives have been utterly ruined because of the non-procreative destruction of perfectly acceptable surfaces by non-Catholics using non-Bridgeports? No other form can be considered as an equivalent to this natural relationship between a Catholic and a Bridgeport out of whose love tools are born. Join me to protect the unique social and legal status of Machining for everyone in the 21st century! |
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Karl Townsend wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl I've got similar issues here. All my mother really needs functionally is a netbook, however they have tiny screens and no modems. 74yo eyes and 10" screens probably aren't a good combo, and a modem is needed for dialup since all she does is email and looks at a few links I forward. I'm watching Fry's and a few others for a good closeout on a regular laptop. With a real laptop, it can also double as a portable DVD player too. |
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On Jan 14, 9:15*am, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl $150 for the license. There's this if you have 7: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx I've had good luck with refurbished office PCs. Around here $250 - $300 buys a clean, MS-updateable reload of XP on a PC that's 5 years old or less, though they tend to have single core processors and lack PCI-E or even AGP slots for better video cards. This $300 laptop is a Dell Latitude D610, a rugged machine with a metal frame that cost over $2000 only a few years ago. It's on $5-a- month dialup so when I need to download large update files I take it to Barnes & Noble and use their free WiFi. jsw |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
anews.com... My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl Check out Tiger Direct. I needed a new XP Pro machine for my CNC controller and I had dozens of options this last summer. Bought an E-machine for 299 I think that just screams compared to my old CNC controller. |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl No, don't stay with XP! 7 does a great job and mom won't notice the differences in her applications. She'll never need to get under the hood and everything else looks about the same...in a way. She'll be just fine with it. Buy parts at Newegg and spend the 20 minutes to assemble it. Got a Philips screwdriver? Install 7, Office, set her mail up...you're done in an hour and a half. |
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For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma
wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl Karl Just buy the parts from Newegg.com and build her one. Get XP from Ebay for the OP. And be sure to make several visits to your "Mother" in the process. Also bring her some nice apples each visit. Bob AZ |
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No, don't stay with XP! 7 does a great job and mom won't notice the differences in her applications. She'll never need to get under the hood and everything else looks about the same...in a way. She'll be just fine with it. Buy parts at Newegg and spend the 20 minutes to assemble it. Got a Philips screwdriver? Install 7, Office, set her mail up...you're done in an hour and a half. OK, Winston points out you can get XP cheap right now. I'll try this cause, "Tawm said you'd be OK". Now, if you **** my momma off I want your phone number VBG Dell has worked well for her. Not top quality but acceptable. Here's one for $250. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...spiron-zino-hd Can New Egg even come close? Karl |
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Karl Townsend wrote:
No, don't stay with XP! 7 does a great job and mom won't notice the differences in her applications. She'll never need to get under the hood and everything else looks about the same...in a way. She'll be just fine with it. Buy parts at Newegg and spend the 20 minutes to assemble it. Got a Philips screwdriver? Install 7, Office, set her mail up...you're done in an hour and a half. OK, Winston points out you can get XP cheap right now. I'll try this cause, "Tawm said you'd be OK". Wayell, Tawm recommends Windows 7. I've got no experience with it but it's been out for almost 3 months, so maybe the important bugs are squashed. Now, if you **** my momma off I want your phone number VBG Not me Karl! It's much too late for me to 'turn out right'. Did Ma mention something specific about her present machine? It'd be unfortunate to get her all set up with a new puter and then find out that her issue was an intermittent power strip rather than 'refresh rate' on _Call of Duty_. --Winston |
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On Jan 14, 11:37*am, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: ... Dell has worked well for her. Not top quality but acceptable. Here's one for $250.http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...dcwua1&c=us&l=... Can New Egg even come close? Karl Vista Home Basic, no monitor, no productivity software, only a 30 day trial of McAfee. You didn't say what her connection speed is. For Pete C, downloading OpenOffice and AVG over dialup would take hours. Both can be downloaded elsewhere and installed from the copy, but AVG then needs to load it's entire database. Dell's office line is higher quality. My HDTV recording PC is in the middle, a student-grade Dimension 2400 that's just barely adequate as long as I kill all non-essential processes. I bought it as-is and it was a "learning experience". jsw |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... No, don't stay with XP! 7 does a great job and mom won't notice the differences in her applications. She'll never need to get under the hood and everything else looks about the same...in a way. She'll be just fine with it. Buy parts at Newegg and spend the 20 minutes to assemble it. Got a Philips screwdriver? Install 7, Office, set her mail up...you're done in an hour and a half. OK, Winston points out you can get XP cheap right now. I'll try this cause, "Tawm said you'd be OK". Now, if you **** my momma off I want your phone number VBG Dell has worked well for her. Not top quality but acceptable. Here's one for $250. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...spiron-zino-hd Can New Egg even come close? Karl Nope, go with the Dell. I see it comes with Vista but do the $30 upgrade to 7. I REALLY like 7, I have yet to get stumped or bumped. After using 7 for a while, XP seems like '95, MS did a good job! DON'T use McAfee or anything other than Avast or AVG, + adaware and Spybot Search&Destroy. 2gb mem is enough, more is better but she won't need it unless she's a closet hard-core gamer. 250 HD should be plenty, even with ALL your baby pictures on it. |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl Acer netbook has XP installed. About $300. new at Walmart. |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:07:29 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote: On Jan 14, 9:15Â*am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl $150 for the license. There's this if you have 7: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx I've had good luck with refurbished office PCs. Around here $250 - $300 buys a clean, MS-updateable reload of XP on a PC that's 5 years old or less, though they tend to have single core processors and lack PCI-E or even AGP slots for better video cards. This $300 laptop is a Dell Latitude D610, a rugged machine with a metal frame that cost over $2000 only a few years ago. It's on $5-a- month dialup so when I need to download large update files I take it to Barnes & Noble and use their free WiFi. jsw 3 year old used "office" dells go for $95 to $149 with XP COA around here. (off lease) |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:56:42 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote: "Karl Townsend" wrote in message tanews.com... My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl No, don't stay with XP! 7 does a great job and mom won't notice the differences in her applications. She'll never need to get under the hood and everything else looks about the same...in a way. She'll be just fine with it. Buy parts at Newegg and spend the 20 minutes to assemble it. Got a Philips screwdriver? Install 7, Office, set her mail up...you're done in an hour and a half. I'd dissagree. An octagenarian used to XP would in all likelihood find either Vista or 7 a real upset, particularly if they've been using XP in the "classic" mode, which is commo n if they moved up from '98. |
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Karl Townsend wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=computers&search_constraint=394 4&tc=0&ic=48_0&ref=+125875.126085+125875.126125+50 0560.4294030221&tab_value=6096_All -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:15:09 -0500, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? My new Acer came with Windows Vista Business and the fallback OS on the drive was XP. It also came with a free upgrade to Win7, which I installed. Check what's available at www.walmart.com . I gave $550 for a 2.4GHz minibox with 2GB ram, 160GB drive, and a 23" monitor/kbd/mouse package. $8 to deliver it to me at home. I'm still trying to figure out how to work with the data I brought over from the old computer via Win7's Easy Transfer prog. Anyone BTDT? -- The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a comfortable living from a small piece of land. --Abraham Lincoln |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:15:09 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote:
My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl Build her a new one from parts, install her current version of XP on it from the install disks, and when it asks for registration tell it that you just did a 'repair'. Be sure to install the new computer under the old XP license sticker, so you won't be lying. -- www.wescottdesign.com |
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On Jan 15, 1:03*am, Tim Wescott wrote:
... Build her a new one from parts, install her current version of XP on it from the install disks, and when it asks for registration tell it that you just did a 'repair'. *Be sure to install the new computer under the old XP license sticker, so you won't be lying. --www.wescottdesign.com Have you actually tried that? I got a replacement XP CD from Dell and MS phone support wanted a note from Jesus' mother before giving me a license key that it accepted. jsw |
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On Jan 14, 11:03�pm, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:15:09 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl Build her a new one from parts, install her current version of XP on it from the install disks, and when it asks for registration tell it that you just did a 'repair'. �Be sure to install the new computer under the old XP license sticker, so you won't be lying. --www.wescottdesign.com Karl and Tim Karl. Listen and do as Tim says. Avoid Windows Vista and Windows 7 like the plague. Vista because it is/was a flop and 7 because it is too new. Your Mother is locked into XP and the change would drive her away from the computer which she sorely needs to keep on living. And Karl. Send her some more apples. Bob AZ |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:15:09 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Me, I'd get her a new mid-line computer for her, with Windows 7. And let her keep her old XP one next to it for a while (while it still runs), so if she absolutely can not figure something out she has the option. Mid-line, because she won't have to get another new one if Quicken or Internet Explorer starts demanding more processor or memory. Or she decides to start scanning and Photoshopping all the old family photos with names and dates for the future generations, and a cheap machine can't churn them fast enough. It really isn't that hard to switch OS's /in the same family/ as long as you have the basic premise down solid. I got my mother upgraded from MS-DOS 2.0 through 6.22 in three or four steps, then skipped a Windows generation or two to Windows for Workgroups 3.11, then Win95, Win98, WinME, WinXP... She didn't make it to Vista, but that wouldn't have been all that bad. My Mom's secret was to make cheat sheets, and Read The Friendly Manual - what a concept! You know it will do what you want, you just don't know how to tell it to. Find out how. If it wasn't intuitive she went and found it in the Help Documents, then printed it out and taped it to the side of the device... She managed change quite nicely, once I showed here where to find the answers to the questions. We have a large stack of well-thumbed "Dummies Guide" books here. -- Bruce -- |
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ike the plague. Vista because it is/was a flop and 7 because it is too new. Your Mother is locked into XP and the change would drive her away from the computer which she sorely needs to keep on living. And Karl. Send her some more apples. Yea, we ain't chanin' nothin'. I went to a newer version of word on her once and she was screwed. But, I'm off the hook. I told her "the Kid" is way better at 'puters. So she called and offered him "Granma's meat loaf and tatoes with cherry pie dessert". "The Kid" will do damn near anything for another special meal from granma. Karl |
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Winston wrote:
99c and free shipping! eBay 250563264822, 250563316731, 250563316256 Also use search term 'windows xp sp3' in eBay search window for other low - cost approaches. Those are OEM which means you can never move the OS to new hardware if I understand correctly. Can you use an OEM XP disk to upgrade a W2K install? Reason I ask is some day Alibre isn't going to like my W2K box since W2k isn't listed as supported even though V12.0 works just fine. I figure one of the next revisions is going to say sorry Wes, you need Xpee or something worse. How hard does Microsoft tie a OEM disk to the current hardware? Mother boards die, My case has had two so far, not because I had the jones to upgrade, the board fried. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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Wes wrote: Winston wrote: 99c and free shipping! eBay 250563264822, 250563316731, 250563316256 Also use search term 'windows xp sp3' in eBay search window for other low - cost approaches. Those are OEM which means you can never move the OS to new hardware if I understand correctly. Can you use an OEM XP disk to upgrade a W2K install? Reason I ask is some day Alibre isn't going to like my W2K box since W2k isn't listed as supported even though V12.0 works just fine. I figure one of the next revisions is going to say sorry Wes, you need Xpee or something worse. How hard does Microsoft tie a OEM disk to the current hardware? Mother boards die, My case has had two so far, not because I had the jones to upgrade, the board fried. Some packages only car that the BIOS has the right name, like Dell. I have used Dell recovery disks to install XP when they had a bad hard drive, or the previous owner deleted everything. I simply ran the recovery, and typed in the registration code from the sticker on the case. Others work only for one model of computer like Emachines which is a HD image on a DVD. Both will flash up a message, This is not a XXXXX motherboard if you try them on something else. A bad motherboard requires a new activation code every time I've done it. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:41:55 -0800, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jan 15, 1:03Â*am, Tim Wescott wrote: ... Build her a new one from parts, install her current version of XP on it from the install disks, and when it asks for registration tell it that you just did a 'repair'. Â*Be sure to install the new computer under the old XP license sticker, so you won't be lying. --www.wescottdesign.com Have you actually tried that? I got a replacement XP CD from Dell and MS phone support wanted a note from Jesus' mother before giving me a license key that it accepted. Uh -- I can't remember now! The last time I built a computer I went 100% from scratch, and bought XP to go with it. -- www.wescottdesign.com |
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:34 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote: On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:15:09 -0500, "Karl Townsend" wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Me, I'd get her a new mid-line computer for her, with Windows 7. And let her keep her old XP one next to it for a while (while it still runs), so if she absolutely can not figure something out she has the option. Mid-line, because she won't have to get another new one if Quicken or Internet Explorer starts demanding more processor or memory. Or she decides to start scanning and Photoshopping all the old family photos with names and dates for the future generations, and a cheap machine can't churn them fast enough. It really isn't that hard to switch OS's /in the same family/ as long as you have the basic premise down solid. I got my mother upgraded from MS-DOS 2.0 through 6.22 in three or four steps, then skipped a Windows generation or two to Windows for Workgroups 3.11, then Win95, Win98, WinME, WinXP... She didn't make it to Vista, but that wouldn't have been all that bad. My Mom's secret was to make cheat sheets, and Read The Friendly Manual - what a concept! You know it will do what you want, you just don't know how to tell it to. Find out how. If it wasn't intuitive she went and found it in the Help Documents, then printed it out and taped it to the side of the device... She managed change quite nicely, once I showed here where to find the answers to the questions. We have a large stack of well-thumbed "Dummies Guide" books here. -- Bruce -- The change from windows 2 through to Windows 98 was very subtle. It was all basically the same OS with refinements. Moving to XP was a major change as it left the old DOS base and went to the NT Kernal. Microsoft was kind enough to supply the "classic" interface, which mimicked 98 quite well - so no large paradygm shift was involved. Vista changed all that. And 7 has departed from Vista in some major ways. The change from XP to Vista or 7 is a greater change, operationwise, than from Windows 2.0 to 98/xp classic. I say get an XP machine that is 7 ready and you have all the bases covered. |
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:13:00 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Wes wrote: Winston wrote: 99c and free shipping! eBay 250563264822, 250563316731, 250563316256 Also use search term 'windows xp sp3' in eBay search window for other low - cost approaches. Those are OEM which means you can never move the OS to new hardware if I understand correctly. Can you use an OEM XP disk to upgrade a W2K install? Reason I ask is some day Alibre isn't going to like my W2K box since W2k isn't listed as supported even though V12.0 works just fine. I figure one of the next revisions is going to say sorry Wes, you need Xpee or something worse. How hard does Microsoft tie a OEM disk to the current hardware? Mother boards die, My case has had two so far, not because I had the jones to upgrade, the board fried. Some packages only car that the BIOS has the right name, like Dell. I have used Dell recovery disks to install XP when they had a bad hard drive, or the previous owner deleted everything. I simply ran the recovery, and typed in the registration code from the sticker on the case. Others work only for one model of computer like Emachines which is a HD image on a DVD. Both will flash up a message, This is not a XXXXX motherboard if you try them on something else. A bad motherboard requires a new activation code every time I've done it. Depends on what kind of "oem" package you have. There is the Microsoft supplied "OEM INSTALL" package that is the same as the retail package except for the licence. It will install on anything and does not check BIOS or anything. It does not include any OEM supplied utilities or other crap, or any special drivers. Then there is the "OEM Pre-install with Recovery Disk" It will only work on a machine of the original manufacture. Put in a new motherboard from a different supplier and you are screwed. Another big difference. With the OEM INSTALL package you can do a repair install, as long as you don't have higher service packs installed, without losing any data.(or settings). You can also do a fresh install on a different directory and save your data, or delete the windows directory and do a fresh re-install without formatting the drive and losing data, You DO need to enter the windows key and go through the windoows authentication process With the OEM Preinstall Recovery disk you cannot do any of the above. The re-install formats the drive and puts everything back to the way it was shipped. Generally you don't need to enter the key and authenticate windows - on some you do need to enter the key. |
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Buy if you don't have a set of XP. Then buy the windoze 7 machine and
format the C drive. Install XP. The 150 might be used up on XP - but try Tiger Express.... for xp and machine. Martin Karl Townsend wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl |
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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote: Buy if you don't have a set of XP. Then buy the windoze 7 machine and format the C drive. Install XP. Make sure you have all the drivers you need, first. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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Wes wrote:
(...) Those are OEM which means you can never move the OS to new hardware if I understand correctly. That isn't my understanding. You should get an OEM disk with every custom PC you buy. You could install on many different desktops and notebooks as long as only one bootable disk exists at a time. Can you use an OEM XP disk to upgrade a W2K install? Sure, if you broaden your definition to include a complete disk wipe. How hard does Microsoft tie a OEM disk to the current hardware? The way I misunderstand it is that an OEM disk is not tied to any specific motherboard. Further, it usually arrives without the fancy packaging and hardcopy manuals the traditional 'full' version has. --Winston -- Machining can only occur between one Catholic and one Bridgeport. Other people and machines can continue to enjoy their hobby within a Mechanical Partnership but to protect our fine tradition, they must be prevented from actually Machining. To grant them the ability to Machine would ruin this traditional institution for Catholics, Bridgeports and everyone and everything else. Do we think that a Unitarian and her Deckel has any valid claim to the freedom and sanctity of Machining? Of course not! We cannot risk validating this gravely unjust pairing; to recognize it would send the wrong message to our precious youth. Who knows how many young lives have been utterly ruined because of the non-procreative destruction of perfectly acceptable surfaces by non-Catholics using non-Bridgeports? No other form can be considered as an equivalent to this natural relationship between a Catholic and a Bridgeport out of whose love tools are born. Join me to protect the unique social and legal status of Machining for everyone in the 21st century! |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote: Buy if you don't have a set of XP. Then buy the windoze 7 machine and format the C drive. Install XP. Make sure you have all the drivers you need, first. I've been foolin' around with old comps , and found that you can usually find the drivers you need on the mfr's website . Exception I've found is the older emachines . Had problems loading the drivers once I found 'em , but then this was a W98 box . I wanted an old box for some old games I useta play , but decided the return wasn't worth the effort . You can download a copy of XP from one of the torrent sites , and use a key from just about any dead box to activate it . Which is why I grab any comps I see on the curb . Nobody thinks to keep that sticker , and that's the license . Why pay for it if you can get it for free ? I've also collected some pretty nice video/network/audio cards from those dead boxes . Hard drives are usually worn out though ... Snag the computer repairman ... |
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Snag wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote: Buy if you don't have a set of XP. Then buy the windoze 7 machine and format the C drive. Install XP. Make sure you have all the drivers you need, first. I've been foolin' around with old comps , and found that you can usually find the drivers you need on the mfr's website . Exception I've found is the older emachines . Had problems loading the drivers once I found 'em , but then this was a W98 box . I wanted an old box for some old games I useta play , but decided the return wasn't worth the effort . You can download a copy of XP from one of the torrent sites , and use a key from just about any dead box to activate it . Which is why I grab any comps I see on the curb . Nobody thinks to keep that sticker , and that's the license . Why pay for it if you can get it for free ? I've also collected some pretty nice video/network/audio cards from those dead boxes . Hard drives are usually worn out though ... Snag the computer repairman ... Some of the Emachines ME drivers work ok with 98. I have repaired computers from the early '80s, starting with Motorola Exorcisor bus 6800 based systems used for graphics in Cable TV. I repaired Commodore Vic 20, C64, some models of the PET line and the various drives to the component level. The newer Emachines restore disk is a drive image for that model like the W3118. I have a few, but most of the time I have to track down the motherboard OEM or chipset OEM to find some drivers. Dell is easier. It is similar to the OEM XP disk, with the drivers that were current when it was made, so it covers a lot of models. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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On Jan 14, 3:15*pm, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl My mother is in the same position, and I was in the same position. In my case, I had a compact XP Pro desktop with 512 ram and an 80 gig hard drive, Upgrading to 2 gigs ram and installing a 400mb slave drive solved all my problems. My mother has a six year old super compact desktop with 512 ram and a built in graphic card. I told her to install a stand alone graphic card and beef up the ram. Of course she can't do this herself, but a local techie is on the job. I think that in cases like this, there is no reason to replace the whole computer. |
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:03 -0800, Winston
wrote: Wes wrote: (...) Those are OEM which means you can never move the OS to new hardware if I understand correctly. That isn't my understanding. You should get an OEM disk with every custom PC you buy. You could install on many different desktops and notebooks as long as only one bootable disk exists at a time. You need to read your OEM licence. It goes with the machine it was sold with. A case could be made that you replaced the (defective) motherboard, then the hard drive, and then put it in a new case with new video card etc, and ended up with a new machine - but the "COA" sticker is , by the terms of the licence, to be applied to the case - and they can be a real bear to remove from the old case to transfer to the new one. Can you use an OEM XP disk to upgrade a W2K install? Sure, if you broaden your definition to include a complete disk wipe. How hard does Microsoft tie a OEM disk to the current hardware? It is not "tied" except by the conditions of the licence. The way I misunderstand it is that an OEM disk is not tied to any specific motherboard. Further, it usually arrives without the fancy packaging and hardcopy manuals the traditional 'full' version has. --Winston |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:20:33 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Snag wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote: Buy if you don't have a set of XP. Then buy the windoze 7 machine and format the C drive. Install XP. Make sure you have all the drivers you need, first. I've been foolin' around with old comps , and found that you can usually find the drivers you need on the mfr's website . Exception I've found is the older emachines . Had problems loading the drivers once I found 'em , but then this was a W98 box . I wanted an old box for some old games I useta play , but decided the return wasn't worth the effort . You can download a copy of XP from one of the torrent sites , and use a key from just about any dead box to activate it . Which is why I grab any comps I see on the curb . Nobody thinks to keep that sticker , and that's the license . Why pay for it if you can get it for free ? I've also collected some pretty nice video/network/audio cards from those dead boxes . Hard drives are usually worn out though ... Snag the computer repairman ... Some of the Emachines ME drivers work ok with 98. I have repaired computers from the early '80s, starting with Motorola Exorcisor bus 6800 based systems used for graphics in Cable TV. I repaired Commodore Vic 20, C64, some models of the PET line and the various drives to the component level. The newer Emachines restore disk is a drive image for that model like the W3118. I have a few, but most of the time I have to track down the motherboard OEM or chipset OEM to find some drivers. Dell is easier. It is similar to the OEM XP disk, with the drivers that were current when it was made, so it covers a lot of models. Yes, but very often NOT the actual model the disk was supplied with. You still need to figure out which component the "unrecognized" item is - who made it, and what driver it requires. Without calling Dell Tech Support and giving them the tag numbers from your machine, it can be very frustrating - hense my refering to them often as "the DELL from HELL" |
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On Jan 16, 5:19*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:03 -0800, Winston wrote: Wes wrote: You need to read your OEM licence. It goes with the machine it was sold with. A case could be made that you replaced the (defective) motherboard, then the hard drive, and then put it in a new case with new video card etc, and ended up with a new machine - but the "COA" sticker is , by the terms of the licence, to be applied to the case - and they can be a real bear to remove from the old case to transfer to the new one. It is not "tied" except by the conditions of the licence. The way I misunderstand it is that an OEM disk is not tied to any specific motherboard. *Further, it usually arrives without the fancy packaging and hardcopy manuals the traditional 'full' version has. Once you have installed XP, WPA records some specifics of the hardware to block you from putting clones of that hard disk in multiple computers. I don't remember the details because I don't abuse the OS but it assigns a voting weight to about 5 devices and if the vote total drops below some level it wants to call home to be reauthorized. IIRC it gives you a month of probation and then refuses to start. http://www.ehow.com/how_2181167_avoi...re-change.html The replacement CDs that Dell sent me didn't have a COA and the one on the case didn't work. I had to beg MS for one. The SP3 update doesn't require net access for WPA. jsw |
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Karl Townsend wrote:
My momma called and wants a new computer. She's an octogenarian and don't like new fangled ways of doing the same thing. That means I should stay with the operating system she knows - XP. I went to Dell and they want an extra $150 to install XP on a windows 7 machine. She just needs a basic computer for internet, email, small spreadsheet, and word. For myself I'd just get a used eBay. But I know momma wants a new one. Any suggestions? Karl Just saw this.... http://www.dummies.com/store/product...470578300.html RR |
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