I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

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Ignoramus13707 wrote:
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time



Good luck with all that.
I'd have a hard time with #2, just can't pass up a bargain.

"Ignoramus13707" wrote in message
...
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

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Will you move in with me?

On 2008-10-07, RB wrote:
Ignoramus13707 wrote:
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time



Good luck with all that.
I'd have a hard time with #2, just can't pass up a bargain.

I have hard times too, sometimes it takes a lot of willpower.

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:54:34 -0500, Ignoramus13707
wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time


That sounds so ridiculous to me. I've pretty much given up on plans.
Plans and goals are lies indoctrinated into education. Especially not
having two of one tool, what about the finding of all the tools for
one job and not being able to find one??? Best have a duplicate or
your plans for the day will be shot to hell.

You've basically covered it, but I would add more specifically: keep the
most-used stuff the closest. 90% of the time what I need is within 1
step of my bench. All hand tools, all common hardware, many of small
power tools. The drill press is 2 steps away, the grinders 3. The
common screwdrivers, pliers, & wrenches are in the open. Drawers for
everything else.

What you said & what I've added is going to be a "Well, yeah, of course"
for many readers. But just because it's obvious doesn't mean that it's
often followed. It deserves to be said. I still find myself shuffling
stuff because seldom used stuff is taking up valuable close-up space.

Bob
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Ignoramus13707 wrote:
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

My name is Iggy and I'm a scroungaholic...

Ignoramus13707 wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time


I keep a few very common fasteners (1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 1/2") but generally
my rule is "let the store store". I live close to a quality industrial
supplier and I have a cash account there. If I need e.g. six stainless
SHCSs I just buy them as needed.

Over time I have learned the hard way to really minimize keeping metal
stock around. I don't keep anything shorter than two feet long anymore.
I toss drops and scraps into five gallon buckets which go into Ernie's
school's scrap bin whenever I go out there.

I got rid of most of my shop benches. They were always covered in crap
anyway, couldn't ever use them for what they were designed for. It
forces me to put things away.

If any of you are just starting, buy a bunch of steel drawer units, and
get a labelmaker. Start putting things into drawers and labeling them.
It's amazing how the clutter disappears.

Grant
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On 2008-10-07, Grant Erwin wrote:
Ignoramus13707 wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time


I keep a few very common fasteners (1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 1/2") but generally
my rule is "let the store store". I live close to a quality industrial
supplier and I have a cash account there. If I need e.g. six stainless
SHCSs I just buy them as needed.

Over time I have learned the hard way to really minimize keeping metal
stock around. I don't keep anything shorter than two feet long anymore.
I toss drops and scraps into five gallon buckets which go into Ernie's
school's scrap bin whenever I go out there.

I got rid of most of my shop benches. They were always covered in crap
anyway, couldn't ever use them for what they were designed for. It
forces me to put things away.

If any of you are just starting, buy a bunch of steel drawer units, and
get a labelmaker. Start putting things into drawers and labeling them.
It's amazing how the clutter disappears.

That's exactly what I am doing, putting things into steel drawer units
and labeling. It is a great idea.

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"Ignoramus13707" wrote in message
...
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

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BWAHHHAA!!
Number 7 is SOOOOOO funny!!
I gotta have 10 big projects and 30 small projects workin all the dam time.

Nice goals - just ..... unrealistic.

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Ignoramus13707 wrote:
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

and the point of #1 is?

On 2008-10-07, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Ignoramus13707 wrote:
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

and the point of #1 is?


It is completed by point #2.

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Ignoramus13707 wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.



I'm trying to move, organize, compact stuff so I can make a insulated and heated 8'x 12'
room in my 24x32 garage to keep my bridgeport and lathe warm and useful this winter.

I'm finding all sorts of things I wish I could have remembered. I found a cross needle
SWR meter I forgot I had, screws I recently bought, 3 serial mouses that would have worked
better than that crappy mouse with the usb serial adaptor I bought from mickysoft.

Need a square, I've found 7 or so. String for the weed eater? 5 rolls.

Blades for the sawsall, argh! Need a scsi cable, I've got many. Cerrocast? Only found
one ingot but I know more are hiding.

It goes on and on and on.

Someone uses a tag line that "I have tools I don't even know I have". Well buddy, so do
I. I also have guns I never shot and likely don't know I own by now.

Wes
--
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government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Jim Stewart wrote:

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

My name is Iggy and I'm a scroungaholic...

My name is Wes and I'm a packrat...

Wes

On 2008-10-07, Wes wrote:

I'm finding all sorts of things I wish I could have remembered. I found a cross needle
SWR meter I forgot I had, screws I recently bought, 3 serial mouses that would have worked
better than that crappy mouse with the usb serial adaptor I bought from mickysoft.

I thought I knew where my stuff was, until I began sorting through
it. Then I realized that I did not know where the stuff was that I did
not know I had...
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:43:08 -0400, Wes wrote:

Ignoramus13707 wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.



I'm trying to move, organize, compact stuff so I can make a insulated and heated 8'x 12'
room in my 24x32 garage to keep my bridgeport and lathe warm and useful this winter.

I'm finding all sorts of things I wish I could have remembered. I found a cross needle
SWR meter I forgot I had, screws I recently bought, 3 serial mouses that would have worked
better than that crappy mouse with the usb serial adaptor I bought from mickysoft.

Need a square, I've found 7 or so. String for the weed eater? 5 rolls.

Blades for the sawsall, argh! Need a scsi cable, I've got many. Cerrocast? Only found
one ingot but I know more are hiding.

It goes on and on and on.

Someone uses a tag line that "I have tools I don't even know I have". Well buddy, so do
I. I also have guns I never shot and likely don't know I own by now.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller


Find any WMD's in there.........roflmao
DaveB

"Ignoramus13707" wrote in message

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

Good luck on that one.

Sunworshipper wrote in message
...
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:54:34 -0500, Ignoramus13707
wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time


That sounds so ridiculous to me. I've pretty much given up on plans.
Plans and goals are lies indoctrinated into education. Especially not
having two of one tool, what about the finding of all the tools for
one job and not being able to find one??? Best have a duplicate or
your plans for the day will be shot to hell.

I PLAN on a trip to the store to buy tools I can't find...the old ones were
probably dirty anyway.

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:03:36 GMT, the infamous (DaveB)
scrawled the following:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:43:08 -0400, Wes wrote:

Ignoramus13707 wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.



I'm trying to move, organize, compact stuff so I can make a insulated and heated 8'x 12'
room in my 24x32 garage to keep my bridgeport and lathe warm and useful this winter.

I'm finding all sorts of things I wish I could have remembered. I found a cross needle
SWR meter I forgot I had, screws I recently bought, 3 serial mouses that would have worked
better than that crappy mouse with the usb serial adaptor I bought from mickysoft.

Need a square, I've found 7 or so. String for the weed eater? 5 rolls.

Blades for the sawsall, argh! Need a scsi cable, I've got many. Cerrocast? Only found
one ingot but I know more are hiding.

It goes on and on and on.

Someone uses a tag line that "I have tools I don't even know I have". Well buddy, so do
I. I also have guns I never shot and likely don't know I own by now.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller


Find any WMD's in there.........roflmao

With all the stuff I've seen Ig come up with, I wouldn't doubt he had
a couple Pu-239s in there. g

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every American should become a Libertarian."
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"Ignoramus13707" wrote

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

My wife is a fan of multitasking, and uses it as an indicator of the
female's superiority to males. My definition of multitasking is the ability
of doing more than one thing at one time, but none of them well.

I learned in business that having more than three things going on at one
time was counter productive. Finish them so you can bill them. It is also
so with private projects. Finish the damn thing. No sense applying 10%
effort here and 5 % there and so on endlessly.

I finished my project yesterday. A 13' 6" x 32' steel shade cover for my
back patio. Built out of Fabral purlins, 3 x 3 x .120" square tubing
posts, Fabral sheeting, and a few opaque plastic panels. A professional job
that cost about $1500 all together. I'm sure glad it is done. Now, I can
focus time and attention on some other things. It went on for a long time
for health reasons.

But I find it infinitely more satisfying to finish things than having ten
things going on at once and them all laying around in various stages of
incompletion, and rusting and generally going to hell.

Steve

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:54:34 -0500, Ignoramus13707
wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

Best laid plans of mice and men... G

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:18:43 -0700, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Ignoramus13707 wrote:
I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.

1. Keep only two things: tools (things to work with) and supplies
(things to be used up such as bolts and steel or parts).

2. Do not keep anything for sale and do not buy anything with the
purpose of resale.

3. Know where things are. Not knowing where is what means having to
buy the same stuff twice, which is the death spiral as it is harder
and harder to stop.

4. Keep everything accessible (and not in, say, closed cardboard
boxes).

5. Keep tools where they are used the most (basement or garage).

6. Keep all supplies in only place, labeled, reviewed periodically.

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

My name is Iggy and I'm a scroungaholic...


Amateurs....sheesh....

Gunner

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:43:08 -0400, Wes wrote:

Ignoramus13707 wrote:

I have been doing a big "shop reorganization", a project that already
took a few months and will take some more. My shop was not a total
mess, but too cluttered due to ebaying and not knowing where is what
(mostly minor things like where are certain screws etc, but enough to
get ****ed off). So here are my new principles of shop organization.



I'm trying to move, organize, compact stuff so I can make a insulated and heated 8'x 12'
room in my 24x32 garage to keep my bridgeport and lathe warm and useful this winter.

I'm finding all sorts of things I wish I could have remembered. I found a cross needle
SWR meter I forgot I had, screws I recently bought, 3 serial mouses that would have worked
better than that crappy mouse with the usb serial adaptor I bought from mickysoft.

Need a square, I've found 7 or so. String for the weed eater? 5 rolls.

Blades for the sawsall, argh! Need a scsi cable, I've got many. Cerrocast? Only found
one ingot but I know more are hiding.

It goes on and on and on.

Someone uses a tag line that "I have tools I don't even know I have". Well buddy, so do
I. I also have guns I never shot and likely don't know I own by now.

Id be happy to store them for you..and exercise them regularly



Wes

Wes wrote:
Jim Stewart wrote:


7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

My name is Iggy and I'm a scroungaholic...


My name is Wes and I'm a packrat...

Wes
My name is Lew and I bet I've been a packrat longer than you :-)
...lew...

On 2008-10-08, SteveB toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

"Ignoramus13707" wrote

7. Do not have more than three projects going on at the same time

My wife is a fan of multitasking, and uses it as an indicator of the
female's superiority to males. My definition of multitasking is the ability
of doing more than one thing at one time, but none of them well.

I am somewhere in the middle between two of you.

With most projects (hobby or reali life etc) I have to be interrupted
and wait for something. For example I may order a part and wait for it
to arrive, or wait until a computer program compiles, etc.

So having something else to fill my time, is useful.

That's all good and well until there are "too many projects".

I learned in business that having more than three things going on at
one time was counter productive. Finish them so you can bill them.
It is also so with private projects. Finish the damn thing. No
sense applying 10% effort here and 5 % there and so on endlessly.

I agree.

I finished my project yesterday. A 13' 6" x 32' steel shade cover
for my back patio. Built out of Fabral purlins, 3 x 3 x .120"
square tubing posts, Fabral sheeting, and a few opaque plastic
panels. A professional job that cost about $1500 all together. I'm
sure glad it is done. Now, I can focus time and attention on some
other things. It went on for a long time for health reasons.

But I find it infinitely more satisfying to finish things than
having ten things going on at once and them all laying around in
various stages of incompletion, and rusting and generally going to
hell.

Well put.

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