http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...603100338/1036
[
"We're getting ready for tsunamis. We're getting ready for earthquakes. We're
getting ready for forest fires. Cut all that back and I think you're left with a
really troublesome situation."
-- Washington state Gov. Chris Gregoire, one of several governors who recently
asked President Bush not make reductions in National Guard forces and to return
guard equipment that has been left in Iraq.

The government has given whole new meaning to the old phrase "You can't take it
with you." A Government Accountability Office report says that in the past three
years, National Guard troops have been obliged to leave 64,000 pieces of
equipment, worth $1.2 billion, in Iraq.
.....
]

Cliff wrote:
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...603100338/1036
[
"We're getting ready for tsunamis. We're getting ready for earthquakes. We're
getting ready for forest fires. Cut all that back and I think you're left with a
really troublesome situation."
-- Washington state Gov. Chris Gregoire, one of several governors who recently
asked President Bush not make reductions in National Guard forces and to return
guard equipment that has been left in Iraq.

The government has given whole new meaning to the old phrase "You can't take it
with you." A Government Accountability Office report says that in the past three
years, National Guard troops have been obliged to leave 64,000 pieces of
equipment, worth $1.2 billion, in Iraq.
....
]

Common practice to leave working stuff for the replacements.

Common practice to leave broken stuff.

Common practice to disable stuff you can't bring back.

In article , Cliff
wrote:


http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...S/603100338/10
36
[
"We're getting ready for tsunamis. We're getting ready for earthquakes. We're
getting ready for forest fires. Cut all that back and I think you're left
with a
really troublesome situation."
-- Washington state Gov. Chris Gregoire, one of several governors who recently
asked President Bush not make reductions in National Guard forces and to
return
guard equipment that has been left in Iraq.

The government has given whole new meaning to the old phrase "You can't take
it
with you." A Government Accountability Office report says that in the past
three
years, National Guard troops have been obliged to leave 64,000 pieces of
equipment, worth $1.2 billion, in Iraq.

That hastily-abandoned equipment, including munitions, is being put to
good use by the freedom fighter, though.


So there's a silver lining.


--Tim May

The theory is that it will be used by troops remaining but it leaves the
guard with nothing to train on when they get home. Another indication that
the Shrub and his neocon cronies have the foresight of an ant.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Cliff" wrote in message
...

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...603100338/1036
[
"We're getting ready for tsunamis. We're getting ready for earthquakes.
We're
getting ready for forest fires. Cut all that back and I think you're left
with a
really troublesome situation."
-- Washington state Gov. Chris Gregoire, one of several governors who
recently
asked President Bush not make reductions in National Guard forces and to
return
guard equipment that has been left in Iraq.

The government has given whole new meaning to the old phrase "You can't
take it
with you." A Government Accountability Office report says that in the past
three
years, National Guard troops have been obliged to leave 64,000 pieces of
equipment, worth $1.2 billion, in Iraq.
....
]

This can be seen as an effort to reduce the military to only
those units with primary allegiance to the President and *NOT*
the Constitution/People.

Every few years some agency conducts a survey of the U.S.
military to determine how many would fire on American citizens if
ordered to do so. Every few years the results are that a
(declining) majority would not do so, with almost no reserve or
national guard personnel willing to do so.

The run-down in equipment and reduction in National Guard
personnel/readiness thus has a darker explication than mere
stupidity. In the worst case it may be deliberate and brilliant
policy solution to a problem.

Unka George




On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:54:19 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

The theory is that it will be used by troops remaining but it leaves the
guard with nothing to train on when they get home. Another indication that
the Shrub and his neocon cronies have the foresight of an ant.

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:VcpQf.497352$0l5.369240@dukeread06...
The theory is that it will be used by troops remaining but it leaves the
guard with nothing to train on when they get home. Another indication
that
the Shrub and his neocon cronies have the foresight of an ant.

Shouldn't that be "the foresght of a grasshopper"? You know, from the fable
"The Grasshopper and the Ant," by Aesop.

Jeff

LOL! I can't believe you said that. This administration and Rep. Congress
have pushed thru more pork than any admin. in the history of the U.S.

Dick

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"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Hate to tell you this but that has been SOP since there was an Army. You
leave the heavy stuff in theater since it is much more difficult to
transport the same equipment in/out with every unit. Makes no sense to
transport an Abrams or a field gun around when it is needed by the folks
who are using it daily. As for the Guard not having gear you can than
Slick and his friends for gutting the military for 8 years. GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:VcpQf.497352$0l5.369240@dukeread06...
The theory is that it will be used by troops remaining but it leaves
the
guard with nothing to train on when they get home. Another indication
that
the Shrub and his neocon cronies have the foresight of an ant.

--
Glenn Ashmore

"Cliff" wrote in message
...


http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...603100338/1036
[
"We're getting ready for tsunamis. We're getting ready for
earthquakes.
We're
getting ready for forest fires. Cut all that back and I think you're
left
with a
really troublesome situation."
-- Washington state Gov. Chris Gregoire, one of several governors
who
recently
asked President Bush not make reductions in National Guard forces
and to
return
guard equipment that has been left in Iraq.

The government has given whole new meaning to the old phrase "You
can't
take it
with you." A Government Accountability Office report says that in
the past
three
years, National Guard troops have been obliged to leave 64,000
pieces of
equipment, worth $1.2 billion, in Iraq.
....
]





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....and the *******s are using new rotor bolts on the Blackhawks rather than
cleaning the thread-lock off the old ones, tensile testing and re-using. I
figure I make about $5 for each bolt they clean with the system I developed
for them. The 2 tractor-trailor loads of equipment to re-cert the bolts
never went to Iraq...too expensive. It's probably cheaper to do it their
way in-theatre for more than just these bolts but it sure sounds good to the
foil helmet crowd to bash Bush. I want to hear how Bush caused the latest
solar activity problem that will plague the Earth for years to come, did he
use the super-secret ray gun that he used to cause tsunamis and huricanes?
Are there poor black people on the Sun?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 03:33:37 GMT, "Dick" wrote:

LOL! I can't believe you said that. This administration and Rep. Congress
have pushed thru more pork than any admin. in the history of the U.S.

Dick

Got cites?

As an antie..Ill raise you Lyndon Baines Johnson and his Great
Society....



Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

"Cliff" wrote in message
...


http://www.contemplator.com/england/girl.html


--

SVL

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:45:57 -0500, "Steve W." wrote:

GWB has been pushing increased money for the troops

BS.
He's cut a LOT from them.
Health care as just one example.
The cuts were in his proposed budgets.

But their parents can buy & send them body armor ....
--
Cliff

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:45:57 -0500, "Steve W." wrote:

GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

The WAR party controls BOTH houses AND the administration (and now
much of the court system, secret or otherwise, often ignored anyway).
--
Cliff

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:16:51 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

Are there poor black people on the Sun?

On the ports issues:

Stage one: "I don't know anything about it. We have ports? What are they?"

Stage two: "A must sell for national security. So what if I only inspect 1%
of the cargo (briefly) now?" And the borders leak like sieves?

Stage three: "I will veto the funding for my wars as well as for New Orleans
& the Gulf Coast [probably including Trent Lott's house] unless I can sell these
ports to my good friends."

Stage four: "I'm a war hero again!! I blocked the sale of those few ports
(as far as I will tell anyone my secrets)!!"

Does this guy go sailing on the bin Laden Yachts like his relatives?

Bush non-secret military sales/transfers to the UAE:
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/not...=2005&typein=%
To Bahrain:
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/not...=2005&typein=%
To Israel:
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/not...=2005&typein=%
Search he http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/world.html

Seems to be quite a lot missing.
--
Cliff
--
Cliff

"Steve W." wrote
As for the Guard not having gear you can than
Slick and his friends for gutting the military for 8 years. GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

Afraid you got that backwards my friend. Allocations for the Guard went UP
during the Clinton years. During Gulf I Units of the Georgia guard were not
deployed because their equipment was to out of date and personnel under
trained. During the Clinton administration they got new Abrams tanks, new
APCs and a bigger budget for training. The Shrub CUT spending for the guard
over the last 4 years and stripped it of much of its equipment. Just last
month cut manpower targets by 35,000.

When they get home this summer the 48th will have almost no equipment at
all and no plans in place to replace any.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Steve W. wrote:
Hate to tell you this but that has been SOP since there was an Army. You
leave the heavy stuff in theater since it is much more difficult to
transport the same equipment in/out with every unit. Makes no sense to
transport an Abrams or a field gun around when it is needed by the folks
who are using it daily. As for the Guard not having gear you can than
Slick and his friends for gutting the military for 8 years.

I was there, but the initial order to drawdown came from Daddy Bush.

GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

Called it "The Peace Dividend."

Cliff wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:45:57 -0500, "Steve W." wrote:

GWB has been pushing increased money for the troops

BS.
He's cut a LOT from them.
Health care as just one example.
The cuts were in his proposed budgets.

But their parents can buy & send them body armor ....
--
Cliff

We never had "body armor." We had flak vests and helmets.

Maybe in the end it was a good thing that the Guard was deployed And
Refused To Follow Orders.

Now everyone has body armor.

How about outfitting the Rutu with Tomahawks and leasing it for training?


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:eyAQf.497528$0l5.401706@dukeread06...

"Steve W." wrote
As for the Guard not having gear you can than
Slick and his friends for gutting the military for 8 years. GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

Afraid you got that backwards my friend. Allocations for the Guard went
UP during the Clinton years. During Gulf I Units of the Georgia guard
were not deployed because their equipment was to out of date and personnel
under trained. During the Clinton administration they got new Abrams
tanks, new APCs and a bigger budget for training. The Shrub CUT spending
for the guard over the last 4 years and stripped it of much of its
equipment. Just last month cut manpower targets by 35,000.

When they get home this summer the 48th will have almost no equipment at
all and no plans in place to replace any.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

On 11 Mar 2006 05:50:52 -0800, wrote:

GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

Called it "The Peace Dividend."

I see. As compared to setting up whole departments to fabricate
things, lie to congress AND the people to get some nice little
(unneeded & very expensive) wars out of it ....
--
Cliff

On 11 Mar 2006 05:55:11 -0800, wrote:

Now everyone has body armor.

Their parents could all afford it?
"Welcomed with opened arms (machine guns, bombs, rifles,
grenades, rockets, assorted car bombs, suicide bombers, .... )"
--
Cliff

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. ..
How about outfitting the Rutu with Tomahawks and leasing it for training?


Nah, I figure a couple of Ecocets or AGM-84 Harpoons to discourage the jet
skiers. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

wrote:


Cliff wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:45:57 -0500, "Steve W." wrote:

GWB has been pushing increased money for the troops

BS.
He's cut a LOT from them.
Health care as just one example.
The cuts were in his proposed budgets.

But their parents can buy & send them body armor ....
--
Cliff

We never had "body armor." We had flak vests and helmets.

Maybe in the end it was a good thing that the Guard was deployed And
Refused To Follow Orders.

Now everyone has body armor.

This is the first war since the Middle Ages in which there was body armor
available that was good enough to be worth the effort of lugging it around.
While it _should_ have occurred to someone to issue it across the board I'm
not at all surprised that it didn't.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:53:43 GMT, Gunner
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 03:33:37 GMT, "Dick" wrote:
LOL! I can't believe you said that. This administration and Rep. Congress
have pushed thru more pork than any admin. in the history of the U.S.
Dick
Got cites?
As an antie..Ill raise you Lyndon Baines Johnson and his Great
Society....
Gunner
------------------------
Which is why I keep saying a choice between tweedle-dumb and
tweedle-dumber is no choice at all. But then again this is from
the perspective of the citizen that is a tax payer and not a tax
eater.

From the perspective of the people that are getting rich from
governmental spending, when adjusted for inflation, I say that
Bush II wins. LBJ was no piker, but a lot of what he spent was
spread around. While money may not cure poverty it sure was a
good anodyne....

Unka George

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:23:24 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

wrote:


Cliff wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:45:57 -0500, "Steve W." wrote:

GWB has been pushing increased money for the troops

BS.
He's cut a LOT from them.
Health care as just one example.
The cuts were in his proposed budgets.

But their parents can buy & send them body armor ....
--
Cliff

We never had "body armor." We had flak vests and helmets.

Maybe in the end it was a good thing that the Guard was deployed And
Refused To Follow Orders.

Now everyone has body armor.

This is the first war since the Middle Ages in which there was body armor
available that was good enough to be worth the effort of lugging it around.
While it _should_ have occurred to someone to issue it across the board I'm
not at all surprised that it didn't.

Not all personell in military MOS needed body armor. Truck mechanics
seldom needed body armor, as an example in most wars, as they were
generally way back behind the lines.

Ever wear body armor in high temperatures? As any cop how it feels to
wear the simple Level II wrap around vests in the summer time. Even
when they have air conditioned patrol cars.
Then put on a Level III-IV vest with chicken plate, along with your
LBE and try to operate in 115-125F temps for days at a time.

The Sandbox poses a unique set of requirements, as there are no lines
per se and even mechanics and computer geeks may be attacked by IEDs
simply going to work. Hence in the early stages, many MOS were not
thought to need body armor, same with up armor on Hummers etc, which
were pressed into combat rolls they were never designed to meet..that
of a armored scout vehicle.

Requirements change with the combat roll and the theater itself.

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

This thread seems like a logical place to post this.

Unka George

It is always dangerous to extrapolate from a sample of one,
however the following instance appears to be typical of the
rapidly increasing number of "flakes," "whack jobs' and "head
cases" infesting the policy making positions of American
government at all levels.

Note to Cliff:
== Unfortunately, neither major party has a monopoly. ==

While the people that steal for themselves, as in the following
article, cause enough problems, it is the functionaries in
government that seem compelled to steal "because it is there"
that are the greatest danger, i.e. eminent domain seizure of your
home so that other people can get rich, oil give-away, etc.

Is there any sort of psychological test that candidates for these
positions can be required to take that will weed out at least the
more egregious?

======== Excerpt from AP article follows ==============

Bush Shocked -- Shocked by Arrest of Former Adviser

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON -
President Bush on Saturday said he was shocked and saddened to
learn that former domestic policy adviser Claude Allen was
charged with theft for allegedly receiving phony refunds at
department stores.

"When I heard the story last night, I was shocked, and my first
reaction was one of disappointment, deep disappointment - if it's
true - that we were not fully informed," Bush said. "Shortly
thereafter, I felt really sad for the Allen family."

Allen, 45, was arrested Thursday by police in Montgomery County,
Md., for allegedly claiming refunds for more than $5,000 worth of
merchandise he did not buy, according to county and federal
authorities. He had been under investigation since at least
January for alleged thefts on 25 occasions at Target and Hecht's
stores.

mtk
For rest of story see:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060311/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

For Ruters story see:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060311/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

For a definition of "kleptocracy" see:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/38/K0083800.html

For a discussion about its proliferation see:
http://proliberty.com/observer/20000717.htm
http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/c.../99-09-14.html
http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/200...tocracy_in.htm
and for a whole bunch more -- Google kleptocracy

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:53:43 GMT, Gunner
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 03:33:37 GMT, "Dick" wrote:
LOL! I can't believe you said that. This administration and Rep.
Congress
have pushed thru more pork than any admin. in the history of the U.S.
Dick
Got cites?
As an antie..Ill raise you Lyndon Baines Johnson and his Great
Society....
Gunner
------------------------
Which is why I keep saying a choice between tweedle-dumb and
tweedle-dumber is no choice at all. But then again this is from
the perspective of the citizen that is a tax payer and not a tax
eater.

From the perspective of the people that are getting rich from
governmental spending, when adjusted for inflation, I say that
Bush II wins. LBJ was no piker, but a lot of what he spent was
spread around. While money may not cure poverty it sure was a
good anodyne....

Unka George

Isn't LBJ the one who pushed to get SS put into the general fund so he could
spend it.

Tom Gardner wrote:
...and the *******s are using new rotor bolts on the Blackhawks rather than
cleaning the thread-lock off the old ones, tensile testing and re-using. I
figure I make about $5 for each bolt they clean with the system I developed
for them.


Sorry about your missing out on $5/bolt, but it has to do with metal
fatigue and mean time between failure.

I'm sure as hell not going to support sending young guys into war with
old bolts that will eventually fail so you can make five bucks. Sorry.

The 2 tractor-trailor loads of equipment to re-cert the bolts
never went to Iraq...too expensive. It's probably cheaper to do it their
way in-theatre for more than just these bolts but it sure sounds good to the
foil helmet crowd to bash Bush. I want to hear how Bush caused the latest
solar activity problem that will plague the Earth for years to come, did he
use the super-secret ray gun that he used to cause tsunamis and huricanes?
Are there poor black people on the Sun?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:44:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:

Not all personell in military MOS needed body armor. Truck mechanics
seldom needed body armor, as an example in most wars, as they were
generally way back behind the lines.

Hiding in the nice safe fortified "green zones"?
Sort of like the new "free speech zones" in the US & UK?

Do they get their pictures & fingerprints taken too?
--
Cliff

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:44:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:

Not all personell in military MOS needed body armor. Truck mechanics
seldom needed body armor, as an example in most wars, as they were
generally way back behind the lines.

Ever wear body armor in high temperatures? As any cop how it feels to
wear the simple Level II wrap around vests in the summer time. Even
when they have air conditioned patrol cars.
Then put on a Level III-IV vest with chicken plate, along with your
LBE and try to operate in 115-125F temps for days at a time.

The Sandbox poses a unique set of requirements, as there are no lines
per se and even mechanics and computer geeks may be attacked by IEDs
simply going to work. Hence in the early stages, many MOS were not
thought to need body armor, same with up armor on Hummers etc, which
were pressed into combat rolls they were never designed to meet..that
of a armored scout vehicle.

Requirements change with the combat roll and the theater itself.

The Open Arms policy?

Heard they were going to relocate some of the torture camps for
the kidnapped hostages.
--
Cliff
--
Cliff

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:44:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:

"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

What? No body armor?
How about the Neocon Menace?
--
Cliff

"Stuart Grey" wrote in message
. ..

Sorry about your missing out on $5/bolt, but it has to do with metal
fatigue and mean time between failure.

I'm sure as hell not going to support sending young guys into war with old
bolts that will eventually fail so you can make five bucks. Sorry.


I don't think you understand, I didn't communicate well. The bolts have to
go through a severe battery of tests to be used at all, even new ones. The
new ones ane certified here in the states then sent over. "Old" ones are
disgarded in the field. But, at several hundred bucks each they are worth
re-certing in the states. Tell me the difference between a "New" bolt that
passes inspection and an "Old" bolt that passes the same tests. Not all the
new ones make the grade to begin with.

Cliff wrote:
On 11 Mar 2006 05:50:52 -0800, wrote:

GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

Called it "The Peace Dividend."

I see. As compared to setting up whole departments to fabricate
things, lie to congress AND the people to get some nice little
(unneeded & very expensive) wars out of it ....
--
Cliff

Cliff, just how many hot buttons do you have?

F. George McDuffee wrote:
This can be seen as an effort to reduce the military to only
those units with primary allegiance to the President and *NOT*
the Constitution/People.

Every few years some agency conducts a survey of the U.S.
military to determine how many would fire on American citizens if
ordered to do so. Every few years the results are that a
(declining) majority would not do so, with almost no reserve or
national guard personnel willing to do so.

The run-down in equipment and reduction in National Guard
personnel/readiness thus has a darker explication than mere
stupidity. In the worst case it may be deliberate and brilliant
policy solution to a problem.

Unka George

And he caused Rita.

On 11 Mar 2006 17:11:47 -0800, wrote:


Cliff wrote:
On 11 Mar 2006 05:50:52 -0800, wrote:

GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

Called it "The Peace Dividend."

I see. As compared to setting up whole departments to fabricate
things, lie to congress AND the people to get some nice little
(unneeded & very expensive) wars out of it ....

Cliff, just how many hot buttons do you have?

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

F. George McDuffee wrote:
This thread seems like a logical place to post this.

Unka George

It is always dangerous to extrapolate from a sample of one,
however the following instance appears to be typical of the
rapidly increasing number of "flakes," "whack jobs' and "head
cases" infesting the policy making positions of American
government at all levels.

Note to Cliff:
== Unfortunately, neither major party has a monopoly. ==

While the people that steal for themselves, as in the following
article, cause enough problems, it is the functionaries in
government that seem compelled to steal "because it is there"
that are the greatest danger, i.e. eminent domain seizure of your
home so that other people can get rich, oil give-away, etc.

Is there any sort of psychological test that candidates for these
positions can be required to take that will weed out at least the
more egregious?

======== Excerpt from AP article follows ==============

Bush Shocked -- Shocked by Arrest of Former Adviser

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON -
President Bush on Saturday said he was shocked and saddened to
learn that former domestic policy adviser Claude Allen was
charged with theft for allegedly receiving phony refunds at
department stores.

Of what worth is a phony refund? The dumbass should have gotten "real"
refunds.

"When I heard the story last night, I was shocked, and my first
reaction was one of disappointment, deep disappointment - if it's
true - that we were not fully informed," Bush said. "Shortly
thereafter, I felt really sad for the Allen family."

Allen, 45, was arrested Thursday by police in Montgomery County,
Md., for allegedly claiming refunds for more than $5,000 worth of
merchandise he did not buy, according to county and federal
authorities.

Oh! He provided phony receipts and got "real" refunds. That should be
illegal.

Just goes to show that you can't trust the media to get a story right.

Cliff wrote:
On 11 Mar 2006 17:11:47 -0800, wrote:


Cliff wrote:
On 11 Mar 2006 05:50:52 -0800, wrote:

GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.

Called it "The Peace Dividend."

I see. As compared to setting up whole departments to fabricate
things, lie to congress AND the people to get some nice little
(unneeded & very expensive) wars out of it ....

Cliff, just how many hot buttons do you have?

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

Huh uh. What about you?

San Jose had junk stuff and went to war with it. Clinton didn't replace it.
It was constantly being worked on. Then a few years ago, all their stuff was
replaced with the latest material. They (IIRC) are a transport and expedite
group. Mostly unique and heavy load trucks of all types.

Used to drive by every day. Clinton sacked every budget he could. Closed the
federal fisheries on the west coast, stole money from Forestry....
For his pet projects naturally.

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH & Endowment Member
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Glenn Ashmore wrote:
"Steve W." wrote

As for the Guard not having gear you can than
Slick and his friends for gutting the military for 8 years. GWB has been
pushing increased money for the troops and gear but the left keeps
crying that they need to spend it on their pork projects instead.


Afraid you got that backwards my friend. Allocations for the Guard went UP
during the Clinton years. During Gulf I Units of the Georgia guard were not
deployed because their equipment was to out of date and personnel under
trained. During the Clinton administration they got new Abrams tanks, new
APCs and a bigger budget for training. The Shrub CUT spending for the guard
over the last 4 years and stripped it of much of its equipment. Just last
month cut manpower targets by 35,000.

When they get home this summer the 48th will have almost no equipment at
all and no plans in place to replace any.


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Tim May wrote:

That hastily-abandoned equipment, including munitions, is being put to
good use by the freedom fighter, though.

You don't think surplus arms will be going to the new Iraqi army?

Tom Gardner wrote:

...and the *******s are using new rotor bolts on the Blackhawks rather than
cleaning the thread-lock off the old ones, tensile testing and re-using. I
figure I make about $5 for each bolt they clean with the system I developed
for them. The 2 tractor-trailor loads of equipment to re-cert the bolts
never went to Iraq...too expensive. It's probably cheaper to do it their
way in-theatre for more than just these bolts but it sure sounds good to the
foil helmet crowd to bash Bush. I want to hear how Bush caused the latest
solar activity problem that will plague the Earth for years to come, did he
use the super-secret ray gun that he used to cause tsunamis and huricanes?
Are there poor black people on the Sun?



Ever hear of HAARP?


John

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:47:46 GMT, Gunner
wrote:
snip
Not all personell in military MOS needed body armor. Truck mechanics
seldom needed body armor, as an example in most wars, as they were
generally way back behind the lines.
snip
Considering the amount of taxes I pay and the amount of money the
Pentagon spends I favor a law that prohibits assignment to an
active duty area unless the individual has under their immediate
and direct control the following:
(1) Personal weapon in good condition -- no shot out barrel -- no
loose pins -- no bad magazine catches.
(2) 2 basic loads of ammunation for item (1)
(3) 1 basic load of auxilary munitions such as gernades
(3) 2 sets of boots in good condition suitable for the climate
(4) 2 sets of camoflage uniforms suitable for the climate
(5) 3 sets of skivies and socks
(6) Personal protective equipment including eye protection

I would also like to see mandated withdrawel from the active duta
area under the following conditions unless under fire
(A) inadequate potable water supplied
(B) inadequate food defined as MREs more than 3 days in a row.

If you don't have the chips, why set in at the game? Our people
on the ground are paying with their lives and health for these
budget games.

Unka George


Unka George
(George McDuffee)

What a country calls its vital economic interests are not
the things which enable its citizens to live, but the things
which enable it to make war. Petrol is more likely than wheat
to be a cause of international conflict.
Simone Weil (1909-43), French philosopher, mystic.
«The Power of Words», in Nouveaux Cahiers (1 and 15 April 1937;
repr. in Selected Essays, ed. by Richard Rees, 1962)

the_blogologist wrote:

Tim May wrote:

That hastily-abandoned equipment, including munitions, is being put to
good use by the freedom fighter, though.

You don't think surplus arms will be going to the new Iraqi army?



When the arms dealers sell the stuff to them.

John