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Gunner's sig line
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:38:40 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . It also explains who Richard Mellon Scaife is, and how he paid millions to crucify Bill Clinton. Brock was part of the hit team and he got a big Mercedes Benz out of the deal, among other things. Any relation to George Soros, who has been funding all the Leftist 527s such as MoveOn.org and so forth? No, no relation. Soros funds political organizations, in public. Scaife funds felons, corrupt reporters, corrupt cops, corrupt lawyers, and prostitutes, in private. Soros wants you to know what he's doing. Scaife doesn't want *anyone* to know what he's doing, probably because there's prison time attached to some of his activities. Different modus operendi. So Soros brags about being behind all the 527s that have sprung up with fringe kook extremists at the helm? I wonder..was he the money source when the Dems paid for all the booze, smokes and crack cocaine, when they were loading up buses with the homeless and driving them to the Dem rallies, or did the local Dem organizations pay the freight? Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years .. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:42:31 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote: The backlash of the Abramoff, Delay, Frist, Rove, Libby, et al, affairs will hopefully go as high as the oval office.Then the democrats can run things and **** them up for a while. John Emmons http://prorev.com/legacy.htm Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years .. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, |
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Gunner's sig line
"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:38:40 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . It also explains who Richard Mellon Scaife is, and how he paid millions to crucify Bill Clinton. Brock was part of the hit team and he got a big Mercedes Benz out of the deal, among other things. Any relation to George Soros, who has been funding all the Leftist 527s such as MoveOn.org and so forth? No, no relation. Soros funds political organizations, in public. Scaife funds felons, corrupt reporters, corrupt cops, corrupt lawyers, and prostitutes, in private. Soros wants you to know what he's doing. Scaife doesn't want *anyone* to know what he's doing, probably because there's prison time attached to some of his activities. Different modus operendi. So Soros brags about being behind all the 527s that have sprung up with fringe kook extremists at the helm? Not that I've ever heard. What evidence do you have that he has, Gunner? Or are you staying up late reading right-wing blogs again? I wonder..was he the money source when the Dems paid for all the booze, smokes and crack cocaine, when they were loading up buses with the homeless and driving them to the Dem rallies, or did the local Dem organizations pay the freight? Why do you wonder that? Do you have evidence of these things? No third-party allegations. We know about your third-party allegations. g -- Ed Huntress |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
Ed Huntress wrote: I don't use rightard and I'm really stingy with the use of winger. But a neocon (neoconservative) is self-defined, an outgrowth of some articles written in the 60s by a group of Jewish intellectuals (Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz were prominent among them) who objected to the way the US reacted to the '67 Mideast War, and who flipped from liberal to conservative political postures. It has a clear-cut history and the development of neocon thinking can be tracked through articles and essays published in the intellectual-right press in the years since. The term has broadened and narrowed, then broadened again. It's not perfectly fixed. But it has a few common threads and a core of well-defined adherents. The central idea, which has been central since the first days of the neocons, is that the US should project its power to "modernize" the key trouble spots around the globe -- particularly the Middle East -- by imposing a form of government and rights, and, they may hope, a set of social attitudes that might be exemplified by the attitudes of, say, Waco, Texas. The Project For The New American Century is a major neocon program. You'll recognize the names of the key participants: they're now filling the second tier in the White House. The term "neocon" has taken on some opprobrium for warmongering and heavy-handed political dealing, and most of them prefer to be called "conservatives" today. But they're something like that new variety of semi-domesticated Canada goose that spends its winters up north and doesn't migrate. It honks like a goose and walks like a goose, but when it comes time to migrate and act like a goose, it just hangs around and craps up the neighborhood. Interestingly, these new geese, which I've heard are now considered a subspecies by some, showed up at about the same time that neocons first appeared. I think you'll find that "neo-fascist" also has a fairly clear definition, and there are specific groups around the world -- not all with the same programs, but all of whom share a strong desire for authoritarian rule -- that political scientists label as neo-fascist. "Neoliberal" has a specific meaning in economics. It refers to the current US- and UK mainstream economic thought, which most people would call conservative. It's known in economic policy circles as "the Washington Consensus." But I don't know what meaning you're assigning to it in politics. I suspect there is none, really; it's just an attempt by conservatives to sling around a term that sounds erudite and opprobrious, but which is really just noise. In any case, there is no "new liberal" thought that I know of. The 60s/70s liberals are mostly moribund. Those that remain have no projects or programs around which they could cohere. Liberalism itself is little more than an attitude today, as conservatism tends to be in the mainstream. But there is no intellectual or policy-driven core of liberalism as there is with conservatism. Whew! That was good. |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
"Gus" wrote in message
ups.com... Ed Huntress wrote: I don't use rightard and I'm really stingy with the use of winger. But a neocon (neoconservative) is self-defined, an outgrowth of some articles written in the 60s by a group of Jewish intellectuals (Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz were prominent among them) who objected to the way the US reacted to the '67 Mideast War, and who flipped from liberal to conservative political postures. It has a clear-cut history and the development of neocon thinking can be tracked through articles and essays published in the intellectual-right press in the years since. The term has broadened and narrowed, then broadened again. It's not perfectly fixed. But it has a few common threads and a core of well-defined adherents. The central idea, which has been central since the first days of the neocons, is that the US should project its power to "modernize" the key trouble spots around the globe -- particularly the Middle East -- by imposing a form of government and rights, and, they may hope, a set of social attitudes that might be exemplified by the attitudes of, say, Waco, Texas. The Project For The New American Century is a major neocon program. You'll recognize the names of the key participants: they're now filling the second tier in the White House. The term "neocon" has taken on some opprobrium for warmongering and heavy-handed political dealing, and most of them prefer to be called "conservatives" today. But they're something like that new variety of semi-domesticated Canada goose that spends its winters up north and doesn't migrate. It honks like a goose and walks like a goose, but when it comes time to migrate and act like a goose, it just hangs around and craps up the neighborhood. Interestingly, these new geese, which I've heard are now considered a subspecies by some, showed up at about the same time that neocons first appeared. I think you'll find that "neo-fascist" also has a fairly clear definition, and there are specific groups around the world -- not all with the same programs, but all of whom share a strong desire for authoritarian rule -- that political scientists label as neo-fascist. "Neoliberal" has a specific meaning in economics. It refers to the current US- and UK mainstream economic thought, which most people would call conservative. It's known in economic policy circles as "the Washington Consensus." But I don't know what meaning you're assigning to it in politics. I suspect there is none, really; it's just an attempt by conservatives to sling around a term that sounds erudite and opprobrious, but which is really just noise. In any case, there is no "new liberal" thought that I know of. The 60s/70s liberals are mostly moribund. Those that remain have no projects or programs around which they could cohere. Liberalism itself is little more than an attitude today, as conservatism tends to be in the mainstream. But there is no intellectual or policy-driven core of liberalism as there is with conservatism. Whew! That was good. thank you, thank you. I do that kind of stuff for a living, and I try hard to play it straight when I'm being serious. I don't always succeed but at least it ought to be entertaining. g -- Ed Huntress |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
I'm impressed Ed. Metal forming and political thoughtfullness. Cool.
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Gus" wrote in message ps.com... Ed Huntress wrote: If you were born right the first time, you don't worry about how you appear to others. You focus on your own integrity and you have the courage to admit when you aren't certain, as well as the courage to admit when you're wrong. If there's any single sign that this administration is based on that born-again fear of admitting imperfect knowledge, it's their unwillingness to admit a mistake. Bush's recent mea culpas are coming out like he's been constipated for years and just ate a whole pack of Ex-Lax by mistake. I guess I don't see what being "born again" has to do with anything. I don't think that gives someone a new personality and fear of admitting anything. It's a theory I've been working on for years. d8-) I've known some born-agains since before they were born for the second time and I've been struck by certain parallels in their behaviors and their attitudes. When I learned that W was one of them I had an "aha" response; his behavior fits the general pattern. Then when I learned more about his pre-born-again life I realized his was an elite version of the life led by an old friend of mine, who is now born-again and certain as hell -- not about minor facts or little details of life, but about the big things, and especially about which social and spiritual attitudes should guide the lives of everyone else. He fears returning to his old attitudes and ways more than anything, as do almost all of the born-agains I've known. But I digress... NeoLibs provide them with uncertainty in order to keep them off track, promoting and pushing their agendas. g I didn't miss the g, but what's a "neolib"? It sounds like something Gunner cut and pasted off of one of his neo-fascist blogs. g Well, we have frequently used words like "neocon, winger, rightard", and the ever-popular "neo-fascist" and I just didn't want anyone to feel Left out. I don't use rightard and I'm really stingy with the use of winger. But a neocon (neoconservative) is self-defined, an outgrowth of some articles written in the 60s by a group of Jewish intellectuals (Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz were prominent among them) who objected to the way the US reacted to the '67 Mideast War, and who flipped from liberal to conservative political postures. It has a clear-cut history and the development of neocon thinking can be tracked through articles and essays published in the intellectual-right press in the years since. The term has broadened and narrowed, then broadened again. It's not perfectly fixed. But it has a few common threads and a core of well-defined adherents. The central idea, which has been central since the first days of the neocons, is that the US should project its power to "modernize" the key trouble spots around the globe -- particularly the Middle East -- by imposing a form of government and rights, and, they may hope, a set of social attitudes that might be exemplified by the attitudes of, say, Waco, Texas. The Project For The New American Century is a major neocon program. You'll recognize the names of the key participants: they're now filling the second tier in the White House. The term "neocon" has taken on some opprobrium for warmongering and heavy-handed political dealing, and most of them prefer to be called "conservatives" today. But they're something like that new variety of semi-domesticated Canada goose that spends its winters up north and doesn't migrate. It honks like a goose and walks like a goose, but when it comes time to migrate and act like a goose, it just hangs around and craps up the neighborhood. Interestingly, these new geese, which I've heard are now considered a subspecies by some, showed up at about the same time that neocons first appeared. I think you'll find that "neo-fascist" also has a fairly clear definition, and there are specific groups around the world -- not all with the same programs, but all of whom share a strong desire for authoritarian rule -- that political scientists label as neo-fascist. "Neoliberal" has a specific meaning in economics. It refers to the current US- and UK mainstream economic thought, which most people would call conservative. It's known in economic policy circles as "the Washington Consensus." But I don't know what meaning you're assigning to it in politics. I suspect there is none, really; it's just an attempt by conservatives to sling around a term that sounds erudite and opprobrious, but which is really just noise. In any case, there is no "new liberal" thought that I know of. The 60s/70s liberals are mostly moribund. Those that remain have no projects or programs around which they could cohere. Liberalism itself is little more than an attitude today, as conservatism tends to be in the mainstream. But there is no intellectual or policy-driven core of liberalism as there is with conservatism. -- Ed Huntress |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
In article , Ed Huntress says...
Bush's NSA fiasco broke the law. So did the leaker and the New York Times. New York Times v. United States, 1971: First Amendment claim sustained, per curium decision. Ed, I though you said the old liberals were dead, eh? And here you are doing this. g Next thing I know, yer gonna be joining the sit-in at the Times Square recruiter's office. Come ta think of it I might just join you. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
In article , John
Emmons says... The backlash of the Abramoff, Delay, Frist, Rove, Libby, et al, affairs will hopefully go as high as the oval office.Then the democrats can run things and **** them up for a while. Oh, indeed not, sir. At least I hope not. I'm telling all my associates to vote republican in the upcoming presidential election. I think they really do need to reap what they have sown. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
"jim rozen" wrote in message
... In article , Ed Huntress says... Bush's NSA fiasco broke the law. So did the leaker and the New York Times. New York Times v. United States, 1971: First Amendment claim sustained, per curium decision. Ed, I though you said the old liberals were dead, eh? And here you are doing this. g Next thing I know, yer gonna be joining the sit-in at the Times Square recruiter's office. Come ta think of it I might just join you. Hey, that wasn't old liberal thinking. That was *really* old liberal thinking. d8-) This isn't a liberal/conservative issue in the modern uses of the words. It's a debate between liberty and authoritarianism; I'd say "libertarianism and authoritarianism," if I thought that today's "libertarians" were consistent or coherent enough in their thinking to warrant the use of the term. But they're not. And the evidence is that some of the same people who call themselves "libertarians" are arguing for greater government secrecy and presumptuous authority. They shift sides from issue to issue, with little principle involved and no real theory of government to justify their positions. Here's what a *real* libertarian had to say about the issue. This is from the Court's opinion in NYT v. US: ============================= "In the First Amendment the Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential role in our democracy. The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government... "...To find that the President has 'inherent power' to halt the publication of news by resort to the courts would wipe out the First Amendment and destroy the fundamental liberty and security of the very people the Government hopes to make 'secure.' No one can read the history of the adoption of the First Amendment without being convinced beyond any doubt that it was injunctions like those sought here that Madison and his collaborators intended to outlaw in this Nation for all time." ============================= As was pointed out in the footnotes and the concurring opinion, the relevant statute (Title 18 U.S.C. 793 (e), with later amendments) was originally drafted to include the press among those who cannot "communicate" secret information. But that version was rejected by the Senate and the references to the press were taken out on First Amendment grounds. So the New York Times did not violate the law. In fact, if you read the precendent-setting cases (NYT v. Sullivan; NYT v. United States), you'll see numerous statements in the majority opinions that have the same basis as the ones I quoted above. Being a really old liberal, or a coherent "libertarian," is not easy. It requires a great faith that shedding light on governments' misuse of power does more to strengthen a society than does allowing a government to secretly violate basic rights and principles of liberty. There aren't many people who call themselves "libertarians" who have the fortitude for it. More importantly, they don't really believe the foundation on which their supposed political position is based. For the most part, they just want to own any gun they want to, any time and anywhere they want to. Their "principles" usually fall like a house of cards when the issues extend beyond that. -- Ed Huntress |
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"THis is what nixon said, right?
If the president does it, it must be legal. Bush's NSA fiasco broke the law. Just like all those Abramoff folks. Oh, you'll hear a lot of spin going on, a lot of foot stamping and blubbering. But in the end there will be defense attorneys on hire. The shrubster is alienating a lot of even his own party. THe CIA is real ****ed at him. He made monkeys out of all those secret security court judges. The mess with delay and ney isn't helping either. REmember how popular delay was until the prosecutors came knocking? The same thing could happen to the president. Jim " If you step and take in the BIG picture, the same thing IS happening to this President RIGHT NOW. Spying without a warrant IS illegal and a felony. It just takes time but George is already on the way out. And he did it to himself. LOL Just sit back and recall the last days of Nixon...it's like watching a rerun of a bad movie. TMT |
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Soro's contibution to 'fair" elections was Gunner's sig line
You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Gunner writes on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:53:10 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : No third-party allegations. We know about your third-party allegations. g It's true that the Federal Election Commission doesn't require disclosure of donors to 527s -- but that's because the Internal Revenue Service does. Anyone -- including Poe -- who wishes to know how much money Soros is giving to 527s can find out easily enough; the Center for Public Integrity maintains an easy-to-use database of 527 contributions. This isn't difficult information to find: The second result in a Google search for "527" is an IRS Web page explaining 527 disclosure; the third result is the Center for Public Integrity's 527 page, which includes links to its database. http://www.publicintegrity.com/527/s...v&sub=topindiv http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/ Thanks. I hadn't been interested enough to go hunting myself, but now that I know where to find it, in the words of Artie Johnson "Very interestink." tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich What is normal? "Two sigmas either side of mu. You bring the cow." drieux. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:34:13 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Gunner writes on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:53:10 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : No third-party allegations. We know about your third-party allegations. g It's true that the Federal Election Commission doesn't require disclosure of donors to 527s -- but that's because the Internal Revenue Service does. Anyone -- including Poe -- who wishes to know how much money Soros is giving to 527s can find out easily enough; the Center for Public Integrity maintains an easy-to-use database of 527 contributions. This isn't difficult information to find: The second result in a Google search for "527" is an IRS Web page explaining 527 disclosure; the third result is the Center for Public Integrity's 527 page, which includes links to its database. http://www.publicintegrity.com/527/s...v&sub=topindiv http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/ Thanks. I hadn't been interested enough to go hunting myself, but now that I know where to find it, in the words of Artie Johnson "Very interestink." tschus pyotr I wonder...why Rozen isnt quite so quick to respond on this subject? Chuckle...... Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years .. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
"Kelly Jones" wrote in message
. .. I'm impressed Ed. Metal forming and political thoughtfullness. Cool. Well, thanks, Kelly, but don't make too much of it. It just combines most of what I did for a living and most of what I studied in college. I used to race cars as an amateur with a guy who had a PhD in divinity. Now, *he* was interesting. g -- Ed Huntress |
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Soro's contibution to 'fair" elections was Gunner's sig line
You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Gunner writes on Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:20:31 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:34:13 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote: Thanks. I hadn't been interested enough to go hunting myself, but now that I know where to find it, in the words of Artie Johnson "Very interestink." I wonder...why Rozen isnt quite so quick to respond on this subject? He's waiting for instructions from the Mothership? As an aside, I could care less the amounts of money various Democrats got directly or indirectly from Abramoff. I expect pigs to have both feet in the trough. It is those who are suppose to know better that raise my ire. I keep recalling joke from Soviet Union. Nikita Khrushchev, after taking over as head of the USSR), has brought his mother to Moscow, and shows her it apartment in the Kremlin. :Oh, my son, this is wonderful." "But wait Ma, there is more" he says, and takes her to the little dacha outside Moscow. She is overwhelmed. He then takes her to a dacha by the Black Sea, she takes a look around at all the fine things and begins to cry. Nikita say "Why are you crying Mother? I have come a long ways from those hungry days in Kiev." And his mother says "Oh my dear son, it is all so wonderful. But what will happen if the Bolsheviks ever return?" Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Any entity big enough to meet your needs, is big enough to decide what those needs should be. |
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
.......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? |
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You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. Tom |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:39:22 +1300, Tom wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. Tom I can assure you..Pyotr is NOT a Democrat..so so much for that claim.... Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:39:22 +1300, Tom wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. Tom I can assure you..Pyotr is NOT a Democrat..so so much for that claim.... Gunner From his irrational postings that is self-evident, well, to most anyway.. Tom |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:24:06 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:39:22 +1300, Tom wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. Tom I can assure you..Pyotr is NOT a Democrat..so so much for that claim.... Gunner From his irrational postings that is self-evident, well, to most anyway.. Tom Tom..you keep trying to make him out a Democrat. Thats not nice. However..from your state of madness..it is understandable. Paranoid Schitzophrenics generally have similar symptoms as yours. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:24:06 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:39:22 +1300, Tom wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. Tom I can assure you..Pyotr is NOT a Democrat..so so much for that claim.... Gunner From his irrational postings that is self-evident, well, to most anyway.. Tom Tom..you keep trying to make him out a Democrat. Thats not nice. However..from your state of madness..it is understandable. Paranoid Schitzophrenics generally have similar symptoms as yours. Gunner LOL, I'm not the one that wears a gun.. Tom |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:50:33 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:24:06 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:39:22 +1300, Tom wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. Tom I can assure you..Pyotr is NOT a Democrat..so so much for that claim.... Gunner From his irrational postings that is self-evident, well, to most anyway.. Tom Tom..you keep trying to make him out a Democrat. Thats not nice. However..from your state of madness..it is understandable. Paranoid Schitzophrenics generally have similar symptoms as yours. Gunner LOL, I'm not the one that wears a gun.. Tom You are also not the one who has to work in Compton, East LA, Watts and Downey late at night with a truck full of expensive tools. Are the troops on patrol in Iraq paranoid? Or simply prepared? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Soro's contibution to 'fair" elections was Gunner's sig line
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I wonder...why Rozen isnt quite so quick to respond Rozen's coverage of usent is spotty at best at the moment, his mom's in the cardiac care unit again. The good news is her illiostomy reconnect was successful. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 17 Jan 2006 05:04:03 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... I wonder...why Rozen isnt quite so quick to respond Rozen's coverage of usent is spotty at best at the moment, his mom's in the cardiac care unit again. The good news is her illiostomy reconnect was successful. Jim Sorry to hear that. My best to a complete and speedy and full recovery. Ill even say a prayer for her. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Rozen's coverage of usent is spotty at best at the moment, his mom's in the cardiac care unit again. The good news is her illiostomy reconnect was successful. Sorry to hear that. My best to a complete and speedy and full recovery. Ill even say a prayer for her. A kind thought is all that's needed in her case. But right now she can dispense with all the illiostomy hardware for the first time in about five months. Most folks don't realize just how important their plumbing inside really is. Thanks though. I've been doing the parkway shuffle for the past week. I think I may have to stop temporarily because my co-worker's entire family came down with a stomach virus. That's one thing she *doesn't* need. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:50:33 +1300, with neither quill nor qualm, Tom
quickly quoth: Gunner wrote: Tom..you keep trying to make him out a Democrat. Thats not nice. [ No, it isn't, Gunner. hint, hint ] However..from your state of madness..it is understandable. Paranoid Schitzophrenics generally have similar symptoms as yours. Gunner LOL, I'm not the one that wears a gun.. If you worked in some of the places he works, you'd either start wearing one or become a statistic. HelL.A. earned its rep. -------------------------------------------- -- I'm in touch with my Inner Curmudgeon. -- http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development ================================================== ========== |
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Ill even say a prayer for her. Gunner Gunner, In view of your posts on "religon", to whom would you pray? :-) ...lew... |
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In article . net, Lew Hartswick
says... Ill even say a prayer for her. Gunner, In view of your posts on "religon", to whom would you pray? :-) As an agnostic, she would appreciate the kind thoughts, but right now her 'prayers' are directed to the tiny lady surgeon who did the needlework on her intestines. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Soro's contibution to 'fair" elections was Gunner's sig line
You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Tom writes on Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:39:22 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. No, that is the Democrats and their fellow travelers. For them the old saying is true: Unless you're the lead lemming, the scenery doesn't change. On the third hand, your one line response assumes much, and clarifies little. -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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Soro's contibution to 'fair" elections was Gunner's sig line
You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Gunner writes on Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:11:20 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:39:22 +1300, Tom wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this is what happens: Tom writes on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:31:37 +1300 in rec.crafts.metalworking : pyotr filipivich wrote: .......... Likewise, what will happen to this Congress if the Republicans ever regain a majority? tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Perhaps you need to take more notice of current affairs? I see the parable was as a tin roof on the house over your head. tootles pyotr You see? Your cyclopic view comes across as of one who has that eye firmly closed and is dependent on total fantasy. Tom I can assure you..Pyotr is NOT a Democrat..so so much for that claim.... I will admit, I did vote for the Democrat candidate. But just the once. OTOH, I voted for Reagan as President three times. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Gunner writes on Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:58:46 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : On 17 Jan 2006 05:04:03 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... I wonder...why Rozen isnt quite so quick to respond Rozen's coverage of usent is spotty at best at the moment, his mom's in the cardiac care unit again. The good news is her illiostomy reconnect was successful. Jim Sorry to hear that. My best to a complete and speedy and full recovery. Ill even say a prayer for her. I'll add an amen to that. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: jim rozen writes on 13 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800 in rec.crafts.metalworking : In article , pyotr filipivich says... Bush's NSA fiasco broke the law. So did the leaker and the New York Times. What, the valeri plame leaker? No, I mean the poor confused soul who saw something he thought illegal, and rather than report it to the Inspector General, or the Department of Justice, reported it to a newspaper. (Funny how the New York Times does seem to want to print the copy of the Barret Report, which was also been "leaked" to it.) I don't know about you, but I don't recall hearing about how the New York Times was granted jurisdiction to investigate charges of criminal behavior with the possibility of filing criminal indictments. Democrats seem more than a bit unclear on that distinction. One more time for the Left Coast Audience": the New York Times does not have government powers, no matter how self important they consider themselves. That would be Karl Rove, right? Wrong again. I guess the worm as they say is indeed on the other foot now. Jim -- pyotr filipivich Denial is not a river in Egypt, "Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level." LTC Grossman. |
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote One more time for the Left Coast Audience": the New York Times does not have government powers, no matter how self important they consider themselves. Right. We have a government of _enumerated_ powers. The press does not have "powers", it has _rights_, just like you do. Which of the NYT's rights would you like to take away? For your conservative audience: whatever rights mr. filipivich takes away from the NYT, he also takes away from _you_. -- TP |
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In article , pyotr filipivich
says... One more time for the Left Coast Audience": the New York Times does not have government powers, Well, they were given that funny first amendment thing. Anyone want to hazard a guess why the folks who drafted the constitution did that? Why would the government deliberately tell the press "look, you can print anything at all in the nature of political speech, and we can't even consider prosecuting you for any of that." The Times has the power to *destroy* the government when it misbehaves. That's what the folks who penned the constituion *wanted*. They did not want secret arrests without warrants. They did not want searches without warrants. They did not want state religions. They did not want power concentrated in one man. They DID however want the press to publish any and all evidence for governmental mis-deeds and malfeasance. The press does not have powers granted by the government. It has power *over* the government. Haven't you ever taken a fifth grade civics class? What school did you *go* to?? Did you ever take a field trip to Washington DC? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
In article , Ed Huntress says...
Being a really old liberal, or a coherent "libertarian," is not easy. It requires a great faith that shedding light on governments' misuse of power does more to strengthen a society than does allowing a government to secretly violate basic rights and principles of liberty. And yet the apologists literally trip over themselves to insist that any kind of investigation or 'light shedding' is tantamount to treason. "Comfort and Aid to the Enemy" is all one hears when one points out that maybe, just maybe we should be taking a close look at what our leaders are doing in washington. Shutting down our constitution and the bill of rights is the *ultimate* comfort to our enemies. As ms mulligan is fond of saying, the favorite right-wing ditty nowadays is "they hate us for our freedoms. So we'll destroy our own freedoms and then they won't hate us any more." There aren't many people who call themselves "libertarians" who have the fortitude for it. More importantly, they don't really believe the foundation on which their supposed political position is based. For the most part, they just want to own any gun they want to, any time and anywhere they want to. Their "principles" usually fall like a house of cards when the issues extend beyond that. I find it ironic indeed that the doctrines they gravitate towards lead to increased govenmental meddling in private lives, reduced privacy, unchecked government powers, and the concentration of political power in the hands of only one or two men. If that is truly being a 'libertarian' then count me out. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
"jim rozen" wrote in message
... In article , Ed Huntress says... There aren't many people who call themselves "libertarians" who have the fortitude for it. More importantly, they don't really believe the foundation on which their supposed political position is based. For the most part, they just want to own any gun they want to, any time and anywhere they want to. Their "principles" usually fall like a house of cards when the issues extend beyond that. I find it ironic indeed that the doctrines they gravitate towards lead to increased govenmental meddling in private lives, reduced privacy, unchecked government powers, and the concentration of political power in the hands of only one or two men. If that is truly being a 'libertarian' then count me out. Well, libertarians come from a variety of places, but most of them come from traditional (pre-neocon, pre-libertarian) conservatism. They can't easily shake that authoritarian impulse, once they get beyond the 2nd Amendment and anything to do with taxes. -- Ed Huntress |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
"jim rozen" wrote
The Times has the power to *destroy* the government when it misbehaves. That's what the folks who penned the constituion *wanted*. The [Press] also has the power to *enshrine* a government of its own design, which is what appears to be happening "as we speak". -jc- |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
Ed Huntress wrote: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... writes on 12 Jan 2006 05:49:46 -0800 in rec.crafts.metalworking : Bush's NSA fiasco broke the law. So did the leaker and the New York Times. New York Times v. United States, 1971: First Amendment claim sustained, per curium decision. No contest. -- Ed Huntress I agree that what the NY Times did by breaking the NSA story is probably legal but if the story harms national security I don't think it was the right thing to do. However, I don't think they worry about trivial matters like that. |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:04:29 GMT, "John Chase"
wrote: "jim rozen" wrote The Times has the power to *destroy* the government when it misbehaves. That's what the folks who penned the constituion *wanted*. The [Press] also has the power to *enshrine* a government of its own design, which is what appears to be happening "as we speak". -jc- So when is the Times going to release the Barrett Report? (this is the report on the Clinton Administration using the IRS as their own Einsatzgruppen used to attack political enemies) Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Yet another Democrat, wants to remain ignorant
On 20 Jan 2006 20:39:22 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: Shutting down our constitution and the bill of rights is the *ultimate* comfort to our enemies. As ms mulligan is fond of saying, the favorite right-wing ditty nowadays is "they hate us for our freedoms. So we'll destroy our own freedoms and then they won't hate us any more." Dont you just hate it when all those evil republicans keep pushing those gun control laws..and forbidding religious symbols ? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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