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Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is
better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) |
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![]() "JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) I dunno... I had a floor jack, one caster of which had been frozen for years -- through several attempts to get it free. PB-Blaster finally did the trick that the others couldn't. |
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JWho wrote:
Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) Kroil is IMO the best. Liquid Wrench has also worked for me in the past, but it just doesn't work as well. It can, however, be purchased at your local hardware store on a Sunday at 10PM, and Kroil is available only online or through industrial vendors, typically 7-4 M-F or via mail order. Never tried PB Blaster, almost certainly better than LW, might work better than Kroil on some things. If I saw some somewhere I'd pick some up. Normally when I use penetrating oil I'm in some sort of difficult situation and I'd try nearly anything. But be aware, penetrating oil alone rarely is the complete solution. Almost always, I use heat in conjunction with penetrating oil, often with repeated heat/cool cycles that can last up to 2 weeks. Patience is key. Another key is you MUST use the best possible tool to address the stuck item. Is it a hex head bolt? Use a quality 6-sided box wrench or socket. Is it a slotted screw? Use a US-made (or German made, just not an el cheapie) impact driver with the tip that fits the slot tightly. Same for Phillips except use the largest impact Phillips bit that will fit tightly. Broken off stud? Use real Vise Grips, clamped as tightly as you can get them, as solidly as you can. Remember, you may only get one chance at removing the item, so don't monkey around with cheap pliers. GWE |
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While I use Kroil, I will say this: The preference for which type of
penetrating oil is highly subjective. Ask anyone who recently freed a stubborn nut or bolt or screw which type is best and he will say, "it was that XYZ brand I used; stuff is the absolute best there is; why, you could unstick atoms in molecules with it; fact is there is adanger of that happenin' so the damned Guvament is trying to control it" etc, ad nauseum. Bob (Knoil's where its at) Swinney "JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) |
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![]() "JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) The smell alone is enough to align the public. I've had Kroil work on stuff after PB failed. |
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Tom Gardner wrote:
"JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) The smell alone is enough to align the public. I've had Kroil work on stuff after PB failed. Maybe the PB just softened it up. Kinda like when you give up getting the jar lid off and hand it back to The Woman, and she twists it off without straining. And give you The Look. |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:57:42 GMT, "JWho" wrote:
Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) More than once I have sent a gullible student to the Aircraft shop borrow a pint of K9P but they always send them back with a bucket of prop wash. Errol Groff Instructor, Machine Tool Department H.H. Ellis Technical High School 643 Upper Maple Street Danielson, CT 06239 New England Model Engineering Society www.neme-s.org |
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In article , Rex B says...
Kinda like when you give up getting the jar lid off and hand it back to The Woman, and she twists it off without straining. And give you The Look. I hate that look. Fortunately I have retaliatory weapons at my disposal. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:00:41 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, Rex
B quickly quoth: Tom Gardner wrote: "JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) The smell alone is enough to align the public. I've had Kroil work on stuff after PB failed. The smell of Kroil, PBB, or LW? Good or bad? Maybe the PB just softened it up. Kinda like when you give up getting the jar lid off and hand it back to The Woman, and she twists it off without straining. And give you The Look. I've never had a lid I couldn't get off. But once, I had to break out the 17" Channel Locks on a pickle jar. I used to amuse customers with those pliers when doing a lube job on their cars (eons ago, back when I first got started in the automotive industry in my previous life, hence the strong hands.) I'd get said pliers out of my tool box and walk toward their car with them while their eyes bulged out of their sockets. They have a 7" jaw opening and I slid 'em down to fit and unscrew the oil filter. g My radiator hose screwdriver is 30" long, too. More eyeball poppin'. -- ...the last thing I want is a toilet seat that ****es back at me... --Wrecker Greg G on the www.CleanButt.com system |
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"JWho" wrote in
news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72: Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) IMHO, Kroil is the best. It is also very useful for cleaning. -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email |
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kroils has a new product for rustproofing , I believe it is called Kroil
weatherproofing , just got it in at work , looks to do the trick |
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![]() "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:00:41 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, Rex B quickly quoth: Tom Gardner wrote: "JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) The smell alone is enough to align the public. I've had Kroil work on stuff after PB failed. The smell of Kroil, PBB, or LW? Good or bad? It's all good, IMO |
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JWho wrote:
Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Dont know about PB Blaster but Kroil is realy GREAT!! Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) Well I'd say "just barely". :-) ...lew... |
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"Robert Swinney" wrote: While I use Kroil, I will say this: The preference for which type of penetrating oil is highly subjective. Ask anyone who recently freed a stubborn nut or bolt or screw which type is best and he will say, "it was that XYZ brand I used; stuff is the absolute best there is; why, you could unstick atoms in molecules with it; fact is there is adanger of that happenin' so the damned Guvament is trying to control it" etc, ad nauseum. Nope. More like, I tried that there kroil, and heat, and more kroil, and this, and that, and the other frigging thing, and finally I was able to remove the whole assembly from points away from where I wanted to open it up, put 3 foot extenders on the wrenches, and _then_ I could get the damn thing to move. And I used anti-seize when I put it back together. Problem is those parts you can't ever get a 3 foot extender on the wrench for, or you do and the parts shear instead of unscrewing. And then I have this other item with an accessibility problem which has had both Kroil and PB Blaster applied liberally, along with heat and cold and time and hammers, and is still together as of the last battle I had with it. I use kroil, but I'm not at all convinced it's magic. -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by |
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![]() "JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) I have em all in the shop but when I have a stuck bolt I usually grab the Kroil first...but then if the others were in a bright orange can so I could find em I might try them more often LOL I like to hit the bolt with freeze mist along with the Kroil. Seems to work better to cool the small bit than to heat up everything. If the thermal shock is not enough then a few good smaks with a hammer usually gets the kroil down to do it's thing. Patienc is the key no matter what you use. Glenn |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:32:24 -0600, "Robert Swinney"
wrote: While I use Kroil, I will say this: The preference for which type of penetrating oil is highly subjective. Ask anyone who recently freed a stubborn nut or bolt or screw which type is best and he will say, "it was that XYZ brand I used; stuff is the absolute best there is; why, you could unstick atoms in molecules with it; fact is there is adanger of that happenin' so the damned Guvament is trying to control it" etc, ad nauseum. Bob (Knoil's where its at) Swinney My favorite recipe is Kroil and acetylene..... |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:40:02 GMT, Anthony
wrote: "JWho" wrote in news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72: Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) IMHO, Kroil is the best. It is also very useful for cleaning. It's also magic in air tools. They love it! ZING! |
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Don Foreman wrote in
: It's also magic in air tools. They love it! ZING! I use Blaster Air Tool Oil in my air tools, but I'm sure Kroil would do well also. -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email |
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I just had a shipment from Kano labs yesterday. I bought Silikroil in
cans, 1 gallon of liquid Kroil and 2 hand oilers. I also like their Memogenda, they make great products. Sometimes nothing works, Kroil has been a favorite of mine since being introduced to it at work, many years ago. Take Care |
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I don't use any of the typical loosening penetrating oils. I have had
nothing but sucess usiing the dye penetrant spray typically sold at welding supply stores for checking for cracks and cold welds..... Used it on highly rusted stuff to items that were in a slat environment, and lots of other problematic frozen things and its never failed me. ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! "The original frugal ponder" ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o |
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![]() "JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) Thank you for all the responses! I appreciate it. |
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Kroil brand penetrating oil is
better than PB Blaster brand? Yep. Kroil EATS rust. About 30 years ago to try it I put several REALLY rusty nails in about 1/2" of Kroil. In the morning the rust had FALLEN off. At a large truck repair shop, where I sometimes find myself, they call it "Thank you Jesus". Try it, you'll like it. dennis in nca |
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Larry Jaques wrote: I'd get said pliers out of my tool box and walk toward their car with them while their eyes bulged out of their sockets. They have a 7" jaw opening and I slid 'em down to fit and unscrew the oil filter. g Hehe, I've done that with a 36" pipe wrench. Tad bit heavy. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net |
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Tom Gardner wrote:
"JWho" wrote in message news:Wq7cf.524822$x96.42636@attbi_s72... Am I getting this right? You guys are saying Kroil brand penetrating oil is better than PB Blaster brand? Is my can of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil better than... nothing? :-) The smell alone is enough to align the public. I've had Kroil work on stuff after PB failed. Maybe the PB just softened it up. Kinda like when you give up getting the jar lid off and hand it back to The Woman, and she twists it off without straining. And give you The Look. Used to fight with jar lids, too, until my SO found this plastic thingy that kinda looks like a WIDE can opener. Just hook the hook under the rim of the lid, lift it up and it releases the vacuum in the jar. The lid then simply twists off - my 6 year old grandson just opened a jar of pickles with it the other day - he was so smug... Ken |
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