TURTLE wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+
bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and
take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the noise!
Want an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to peoples' heads
and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?

End of Totally Pointless Rant


This isTurtle.

A Leaf blower is the only Democratic thing to do. A Tightwad Republican
would just buy a old rake and work hard to do the job and not spend all
day
blowing leafs around.

TURTLE

The green party menber will mulch the leaves and recycle them saving the
cost of the mower, fertilizer and rake.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

Actually lawnmower mulching of leaves on the lawn is best, although it
looks bad for a month it is not only free fertilizer but studies done
show lawns mulched have a much lower incidence of mold diseases. Nature
has us beat again.

My parents live in a "burb" of Rochester. Dad used to mow the leaves, and
let them rot. I never could see much sense of raking leaves, and having them
hauled away.

Actually, I do wear hearign aids. I had an infection when I was a kid, and
I'm moderaely hard of hearing.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+ bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in the use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the noise! Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to peoples' heads and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?

End of Totally Pointless Rant

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:54:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

I had a neighbor who, after washing his GMC pickup, would come outside every
hour or two and use a leaf blower to eliminate any dust that had settled on
the truck. What a piece of work HE was. :-) My son figured out his phobias
at age 10. He and a couple of friends figured out that in the summer, when
Mr Pickup's windows were open, it was fun to yell to each other "Hey! Anyone
wanna play frisbee?", and watch the neighbor run out and move his truck
halfway down the street. We didn't even OWN a frisbee.


You can also use a leaf blower to dry off yer car after yer done
washing it.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:25:00 -0500, E Gregory wrote:
Here to there wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:44:13 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:

Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+ bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in the use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the noise! Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to peoples' heads and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?


Rochester NY: OK, Penfield. Close enough.

I spent about 3 hours with the leaf blower on Saturday. No idea how
many bags worth, since we put them all in a compost pile on the
back of the property this year, though in previous years we never
had any fewer than 60 or so bags.

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaf
blowers. Sure, they're noisy. So are cars, lawnmowers, 390/490/590,
electric hedge trimmers, etc. My arms sure as heck feel a LOT better
after using the blower for a few hours than they do after using
a rake for even half as long. And using a rake in years past
took me the better part of the weekend to get those 60 bags filled.

Summation: I wish I had gotten a leaf blower YEARS ago.

- Rich




Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Because when you have 4+ inches of leaves on your lawn, if you
don't take them up, you will have nothing but dirt left by
next Spring. And having your topsoil wash away in the Spring
rains is just no fun at all.

- Rich

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:37:40 GMT, Curly Sue wrote:

Alternatively, just mow the leaves and let them disintegrate in place.

Mow 1/3 acre of leaves where the average depth is 4+ inches?
Sorry, all that's going to do is fluff them up a bit. ;-)

- Rich

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:53:19 -0600, wrote:
No, I prefer a rake too....

Leaf Blowers are yet another toy for this new generation of lazy bums
who were kids in the 90's, and raised by computer games while their
parents slaved at their jobs to be able to afford all the hi-tech
needs of these kids. They cant do anything without power. Then we
wonder why energy prices keep rising......
Not a one of these "kids" can use a hammer. They must buy a nail gun.
Not a one of them can use a screwdriver, they buy a screw gun,
complete with extremely overpriced, and short lived batteries
Not one of them can use a snow shovel, they buy a snowblower
Not one of then can use a rake, they use a leaf blower
And the list goes on.........

The thing that REALLY gets me, is that after they spend all the money
for all this energy consuming stuff, many of them spend MORE money to
join a exercise club membership, so they can burn up all their own
excessive energy. Those that dont do the exercise simply turn into
fat, artery clogged blobs while playing the latest computer games on
the most powerful energy consuming computers they can get their hands
on, along with their ipods and cellphones and other energy consuming
devices that they cant live without.

Enjoy your rake and the exercise you get using it. You'll be much
more healthy than those destroying their hearing, and filling their
lungs with exhaust fumes with their leaf blowers.

PS. Can you imagine the chaos these "computer raised kids" would
experience if the power was shut off. I'd bet most of them would be
dead in a week.


So basically, you're just jealous that you're too dumb
to use a computer, and too poor to afford power tools, eh? ;-)

- Rich

"Joseph Meehan" writes:

The green party menber will mulch the leaves and recycle them saving the
cost of the mower, fertilizer and rake.

hmmm... I see a list a-brew'n:

Democrat: Hold an election to see who has to rake the leaves.

Republican: Only allow companies to rake the leaves.
Ask for bids, with a qualification that the company
has to be named "Leafaburton". Pay that company 10 times
the rate for which the neighbor kid would do it.

Libertarian: We should mind our own business and leaf them alone.
(ok... so it's a punning Libertarian... kinda like me)

Green: mulch them in and encourage natural leaf preditors, worms, etc.

Communist: everyone must rake leaves!

Remember... since their is a high turnout expected at the polls,
they've split it into two days. Democrates vote tuesday, and Republicans
vote Wednesday.[*]

--
be safe.
flip
Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
Remove origin of the word spam from address to reply (leave "+")
[*] not really

Here to there wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:37:40 GMT, Curly Sue wrote:


Alternatively, just mow the leaves and let them disintegrate in place.



Mow 1/3 acre of leaves where the average depth is 4+ inches?
Sorry, all that's going to do is fluff them up a bit. ;-)

- Rich

Most of that 4" is airspace between the leaves. Mulch them and they'll
be reduced to confetti size.

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:16:39 -0500, willshak wrote:
Here to there wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:37:40 GMT, Curly Sue wrote:


Alternatively, just mow the leaves and let them disintegrate in place.



Mow 1/3 acre of leaves where the average depth is 4+ inches?
Sorry, all that's going to do is fluff them up a bit. ;-)

- Rich

Most of that 4" is airspace between the leaves. Mulch them and they'll
be reduced to confetti size.

Uh, no. That's 4 inches of relatively tightly packed, wet leaves.
Not to mention that, not being affixed by their roots to the ground,
the mower tends to just push them to the side, rather than riding
over them.

I'm not saying that mulching them up isn't a fine idea when
appropriate - that's what I do in my front yard, where I only
have a couple of maples, and there's only an inch or so on the
ground. But short of having a mower with 5 inches of ground
clearance, mowing and mulching simply isn't an option.

- Rich

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Curly Sue" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:44:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up
40+
bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in
the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in
their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers
and
take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the
noise!
Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to peoples'
heads
and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?

End of Totally Pointless Rant

Best of both worlds- rake the leaves into a pile (quietly), then use
a
leaf vacuum/shredder for two minutes to suck them into a bag.
Another
advantage, 1/2 (or less) the number of bags. Save the shreds and
use
them for mulch in the garden.

Alternatively, just mow the leaves and let them disintegrate in
place.

Just moved in. Not enough garden dug up yet for the volume of leaves I
have.
I tilled a 40x40 vegetable garden two weeks back, and it's already got
8
trillion bushels of a mowed grass/leaf mix mixed in and piled on. Next
spring, I'm removing 1/4 of the total lawn area and creating enormous
flower
& shrub beds. Then there'll be a home for the leaves.



Composting is kinduva art--probly best to mix the brown and green matter
together in a pile.......the green ( grass clippings ) providing the
nitrogen, and let it all break down good *before* you till it in.......

Yeah, but I want to start small. I have a corner lot, so the place where
I'd
like to put multiple compost bins is where it would be visible to two
neighbors. I'm waiting for delivery of a Soilmaker (your basic tall
plastic
box - a model I've used in the past). I'll probably add 3 more in the
spring. In this neighborhood, an open pile or a chicken wire thing would
look out of place, even though they'd be beautiful to me.

Or.....plant a hedge to surround the compost factory. We'll see. I have
more
ideas than I have time and cash at the moment.



We corrall them in with old pallets--and its much easier to turn the pile
over if your corral is twice the size as your pile, turn from left to right.

Probly lots of ideas in one of the gardening forums, one might be just what
your doctor erdered.

I go with the mowing em. Honda self prop rear bagger. Remove bag it
is a very good mulcher. Two passes with leaves higher than the deck
leaves nothing but a powdering of very small bits behind. Good for
the lawn and a lot faster than the raking or blowing methods.

Harry K

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Me neither....

No big deal here......just blow em into the neighbor's yard.......

Or better yet, cut the lawn short enough in the fall, and let the wind
blow them into the neighbor's yard for you!

According to Doug Kanter :
I don't know what one of my neighbors has, but at 100', it's as loud as
standing right next to a table saw.

Most table saws are virtually silent. Induction motors make very
little noise. Or, are you thinking the noise it makes cutting through
wood? ;-)
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

Philip Lewis wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" writes:

The green party menber will mulch the leaves and recycle them saving
the
cost of the mower, fertilizer and rake.

hmmm... I see a list a-brew'n:

Democrat: Hold an election to see who has to rake the leaves.

Republican: Only allow companies to rake the leaves.
Ask for bids, with a qualification that the company
has to be named "Leafaburton". Pay that company 10 times
the rate for which the neighbor kid would do it.

Libertarian: We should mind our own business and leaf them alone.
(ok... so it's a punning Libertarian... kinda like me)

Green: mulch them in and encourage natural leaf preditors, worms, etc.

Communist: everyone must rake leaves!

Remember... since their is a high turnout expected at the polls,
they've split it into two days. Democrates vote tuesday, and Republicans
vote Wednesday.[*]


Not really funny. We had a rash of them around here. It appears that
they targeted certain areas where there had been a lot of new registrations.



--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Chris Lewis" wrote in message
...
According to Doug Kanter :
I don't know what one of my neighbors has, but at 100', it's as loud as
standing right next to a table saw.

Most table saws are virtually silent. Induction motors make very
little noise. Or, are you thinking the noise it makes cutting through
wood? ;-)

Yeah....with wood in progress. You know what I mean, wise guy. :-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+ bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the noise!
Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to peoples' heads and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?

End of Totally Pointless Rant


You'd think they'd use leaf vacuumers instead of leaf blowers...

Rakes are more fun because when you scrape them on concrete they make that
cool sound...

"effi" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+
bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and
take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the noise!
Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to peoples' heads
and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?

End of Totally Pointless Rant


You'd think they'd use leaf vacuumers instead of leaf blowers...

Rakes are more fun because when you scrape them on concrete they make that
cool sound...



If you do that at night with a metal rake, you can sometimes make sparks.
Way cool. Way useless. :-)

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:37:40 GMT, (Curly
Sue) wrote:

Best of both worlds- rake the leaves into a pile (quietly), then use a
leaf vacuum/shredder for two minutes to suck them into a bag. Another
advantage, 1/2 (or less) the number of bags. Save the shreds and use
them for mulch in the garden.

Alternatively, just mow the leaves and let them disintegrate in place.


I would have thought this the most logical thing to do. Feed the
raked leaves into a mulcher. The shredded product will be a lot
easier to bag or to spread. Come to think of it garden tool
manufafturers should invent either a lawn mower attachment effective
for sucking up and shredding the leaves then throw them into a bag via
a chute. Or otherwise make a dedicated machine for this. It will be
a welcome companion to the leaf blower.

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:37:40 GMT, (Curly
Sue) wrote:

Best of both worlds- rake the leaves into a pile (quietly), then use a
leaf vacuum/shredder for two minutes to suck them into a bag. Another
advantage, 1/2 (or less) the number of bags. Save the shreds and use
them for mulch in the garden.

Alternatively, just mow the leaves and let them disintegrate in place.


I would have thought this the most logical thing to do. Feed the
raked leaves into a mulcher. The shredded product will be a lot
easier to bag or to spread. Come to think of it garden tool
manufafturers should invent either a lawn mower attachment effective
for sucking up and shredding the leaves then throw them into a bag via
a chute. Or otherwise make a dedicated machine for this. It will be
a welcome companion to the leaf blower.

I haven't studied it closely, but my new Honda mower's instruction book has
a chart of different blades you can install if your work tends more toward
one purpose than another, or if you want to make seasonal blade changes.

"Harry K" wrote in message
om...
"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Curly Sue" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:44:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked
up
40+
bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be
alone in
the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors
in
their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf
blowers
and
take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves.
And...cripes....the
noise!
Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an
entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to
peoples'
heads
and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?

End of Totally Pointless Rant

Best of both worlds- rake the leaves into a pile (quietly), then
use
a
leaf vacuum/shredder for two minutes to suck them into a bag.
Another
advantage, 1/2 (or less) the number of bags. Save the shreds
and
use
them for mulch in the garden.

Alternatively, just mow the leaves and let them disintegrate in
place.

Just moved in. Not enough garden dug up yet for the volume of
leaves I
have.
I tilled a 40x40 vegetable garden two weeks back, and it's already
got
8
trillion bushels of a mowed grass/leaf mix mixed in and piled on.
Next
spring, I'm removing 1/4 of the total lawn area and creating
enormous
flower
& shrub beds. Then there'll be a home for the leaves.



Composting is kinduva art--probly best to mix the brown and green
matter
together in a pile.......the green ( grass clippings ) providing the
nitrogen, and let it all break down good *before* you till it
in.......

Yeah, but I want to start small. I have a corner lot, so the place
where
I'd
like to put multiple compost bins is where it would be visible to two
neighbors. I'm waiting for delivery of a Soilmaker (your basic tall
plastic
box - a model I've used in the past). I'll probably add 3 more in the
spring. In this neighborhood, an open pile or a chicken wire thing
would
look out of place, even though they'd be beautiful to me.

Or.....plant a hedge to surround the compost factory. We'll see. I
have
more
ideas than I have time and cash at the moment.



We corrall them in with old pallets--and its much easier to turn the
pile
over if your corral is twice the size as your pile, turn from left to
right.

Probly lots of ideas in one of the gardening forums, one might be just
what
your doctor erdered.

I go with the mowing em. Honda self prop rear bagger. Remove bag it
is a very good mulcher. Two passes with leaves higher than the deck
leaves nothing but a powdering of very small bits behind. Good for
the lawn and a lot faster than the raking or blowing methods.


The wife runs a small plant nursery here part time, and so several of our
neighbors and even the city public works dept are delighted to drop off
leaves and clippings for us.

--

SVL

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:53:19 -0600, wrote:

No, I prefer a rake too....

Leaf Blowers are yet another toy for this new generation of lazy bums
who were kids in the 90's, and raised by computer games while their
parents slaved at their jobs to be able to afford all the hi-tech
needs of these kids. They cant do anything without power. Then we
wonder why energy prices keep rising......
Not a one of these "kids" can use a hammer. They must buy a nail gun.
Not a one of them can use a screwdriver, they buy a screw gun,
complete with extremely overpriced, and short lived batteries
Not one of them can use a snow shovel, they buy a snowblower
Not one of then can use a rake, they use a leaf blower
And the list goes on.........

Gee, I did not think the Amish used computers., Why are using one?
Anyway, aren't the good old excercise-producing semaphore flags good
enough for sending messages anymore?
Gary Dyrkacz

Radio Control Aircraft/Paintball Physics/Paintball for 40+
http://home.attbi.com/~dyrgcmn/

"Gary Dyrkacz" wrote in message


Not one of them can use a snow shovel, they buy a snowblower
Not one of then can use a rake, they use a leaf blower
And the list goes on.........

I was born in '45, but the snowblower certainly ranks high on my list of
"needed" toys.

Still use a rake though.

According to PaPaPeng :
Come to think of it garden tool
manufafturers should invent either a lawn mower attachment effective
for sucking up and shredding the leaves then throw them into a bag via
a chute. Or otherwise make a dedicated machine for this. It will be
a welcome companion to the leaf blower.


They do. Cub Cadet, for example, makes a gas powered wheeled vacuum
unit that sucks up leaves, shreds and then bags 'em. A mere $1300CDN.

Rented one once. Real nice. Big trick is to make sure that the leaves
are _dry_.

Came very close to buying one. I'd continue to rent, but they're relatively
rare in rentals, and it's a PITA getting it in and out of the trailer.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:54:02 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Because when you have 4+ inches of leaves on your lawn, if you
don't take them up, you will have nothing but dirt left by
next Spring. And having your topsoil wash away in the Spring
rains is just no fun at all.

Can you explain this? I don't understand what yer gettin' at.

I don't rake my leaves...and I don't have dirt in the Spring.

Nor do I see a lot of 'just dirt' in the forests.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:28:11 GMT, Here to there
wrote:


Most of that 4" is airspace between the leaves. Mulch them and they'll
be reduced to confetti size.

Uh, no. That's 4 inches of relatively tightly packed, wet leaves.
Not to mention that, not being affixed by their roots to the ground,
the mower tends to just push them to the side, rather than riding
over them.

I'm not saying that mulching them up isn't a fine idea when
appropriate - that's what I do in my front yard, where I only
have a couple of maples, and there's only an inch or so on the
ground. But short of having a mower with 5 inches of ground
clearance, mowing and mulching simply isn't an option.

You must have funny trees. They dump 5" of leaves at a time.!

Where I live, the leaves sail gently to the ground...then the next
one...then the next one. lol


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

"Trent©" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:54:02 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Because when you have 4+ inches of leaves on your lawn, if you
don't take them up, you will have nothing but dirt left by
next Spring. And having your topsoil wash away in the Spring
rains is just no fun at all.

Can you explain this? I don't understand what yer gettin' at.

I don't rake my leaves...and I don't have dirt in the Spring.

Nor do I see a lot of 'just dirt' in the forests.

In the forests, you see progressive layers of composted leaves, which is
why, is some places, you'll sink up to your ankles when you step in it. It's
great stuff. But, grass won't grow there to any great extent.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 04:21:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Trent©" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:54:02 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Because when you have 4+ inches of leaves on your lawn, if you
don't take them up, you will have nothing but dirt left by
next Spring. And having your topsoil wash away in the Spring
rains is just no fun at all.

Can you explain this? I don't understand what yer gettin' at.

I don't rake my leaves...and I don't have dirt in the Spring.

Nor do I see a lot of 'just dirt' in the forests.

In the forests, you see progressive layers of composted leaves, which is
why, is some places, you'll sink up to your ankles when you step in it. It's
great stuff. But, grass won't grow there to any great extent.


Yer correct. Most forests have an accumulation of generations of
leaves.

The best way to protect your lawn is to leave the leaves as they
fall...for protection against a harsh, cold Winter...then mow/mulch
them in the Spring.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
snip
Maybe there's a trick to using the blower to get the leaves into the bags?
Something my neighbors haven't discovered? All they seem to use them for is
creating the initial pile.

Blowing leaves into bags is kinda like shoveling proverbial s**t
against the tide. It's all a matter of efficient use of tools,
anyhow. Rakes are much better than blowers at getting sticks and
such. Blowers are much better at quick passes over areas to keep
leaves from accumulating to the point where they're likely to become a
matted blanket from a shower or ground moisture. Not to mention that
they can be much gentler on the grass.

IOW, the "correct" answer is "all of the above" at the opportune time.
And, for me, to compost them all in one part of my front lawn each
year- in hopes of being able to amend the crappy rocky subsoil that
nature left there.

John

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:44:52 -0500, Trent© wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:28:11 GMT, Here to there
wrote:


Most of that 4" is airspace between the leaves. Mulch them and they'll
be reduced to confetti size.

Uh, no. That's 4 inches of relatively tightly packed, wet leaves.
Not to mention that, not being affixed by their roots to the ground,
the mower tends to just push them to the side, rather than riding
over them.

I'm not saying that mulching them up isn't a fine idea when
appropriate - that's what I do in my front yard, where I only
have a couple of maples, and there's only an inch or so on the
ground. But short of having a mower with 5 inches of ground
clearance, mowing and mulching simply isn't an option.

You must have funny trees. They dump 5" of leaves at a time.!


You must have funny trees, if they don't. :-)

I walked out into my yard this morning, and my feet sank in
to just over the top of my foot. And this is just 5 days after having
raked up tons in the same area, mind you.


Where I live, the leaves sail gently to the ground...then the next
one...then the next one. lol


Where I live, they all generally come down in a couple of
brief, but intense sessions. High winds last weekend,
and rain today.

And yet there's still a couple of huge silver maples
that haven't dropped any, yet.... sigh.

- Rich

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:42:02 -0500, Trent© wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:54:02 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Because when you have 4+ inches of leaves on your lawn, if you
don't take them up, you will have nothing but dirt left by
next Spring. And having your topsoil wash away in the Spring
rains is just no fun at all.

Can you explain this? I don't understand what yer gettin' at.

I don't rake my leaves...and I don't have dirt in the Spring.


Then you either don't have a lot of leaves fall,
or are blessed with winds that blow them all away. I had one
area in my lawn last weekend where I waded in up to my shins.
I guarantee there won't be any grass under there in the
Spring if I let it alone.

Nor do I see a lot of 'just dirt' in the forests.



Uh, walked in any forests recently? The vast
majority of what you're walking on is decomposed
leaves. Depending on where you live, there may
be lots of ferns, etc, but I can pretty much
guarantee that you're not going to find any significant
grasses underfoot.

- Rich

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:14:59 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:42:02 -0500, Trent© wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:54:02 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Because when you have 4+ inches of leaves on your lawn, if you
don't take them up, you will have nothing but dirt left by
next Spring. And having your topsoil wash away in the Spring
rains is just no fun at all.

Can you explain this? I don't understand what yer gettin' at.

I don't rake my leaves...and I don't have dirt in the Spring.


Then you either don't have a lot of leaves fall,
or are blessed with winds that blow them all away. I had one
area in my lawn last weekend where I waded in up to my shins.
I guarantee there won't be any grass under there in the
Spring if I let it alone.

Why would you think that?


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

"Trent©" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:14:59 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:42:02 -0500, Trent©
wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:54:02 GMT, Here to there
wrote:

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with
leaves.

Because when you have 4+ inches of leaves on your lawn, if you
don't take them up, you will have nothing but dirt left by
next Spring. And having your topsoil wash away in the Spring
rains is just no fun at all.

Can you explain this? I don't understand what yer gettin' at.

I don't rake my leaves...and I don't have dirt in the Spring.


Then you either don't have a lot of leaves fall,
or are blessed with winds that blow them all away. I had one
area in my lawn last weekend where I waded in up to my shins.
I guarantee there won't be any grass under there in the
Spring if I let it alone.

Why would you think that?

Let's put it this way: If you allow enough leaves to mat down, it's a great
way to start a new garden area.

"E Gregory" wrote in message
...
Here to there wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:44:13 GMT, Doug Kanter
wrote:

Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+
bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and
take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the noise!
Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

What's with these things? Is Home Depot putting guns to peoples' heads
and
forcing them to buy leaf blowers?


Rochester NY: OK, Penfield. Close enough.

I spent about 3 hours with the leaf blower on Saturday. No idea how
many bags worth, since we put them all in a compost pile on the
back of the property this year, though in previous years we never
had any fewer than 60 or so bags.

Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaf
blowers. Sure, they're noisy. So are cars, lawnmowers, 390/490/590,
electric hedge trimmers, etc. My arms sure as heck feel a LOT better
after using the blower for a few hours than they do after using
a rake for even half as long. And using a rake in years past
took me the better part of the weekend to get those 60 bags filled.

Summation: I wish I had gotten a leaf blower YEARS ago.

- Rich




Personally, I don't see why some people have such an issue with leaves.

Those lucky leaves, I wish I were a leaf so I could get blown.

I was in Brighton the other day, and saw a man with a leaf rake. I was so
tempted to call 911.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+
bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and
take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the noise!
Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.

Big international community in Brighton, due to the proximity to Strong
Hospital and the U of R. You should called 911. I'll bet he was one of them
Ay-Rabs, and he was up to no good with that rakel.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
.. .
I was in Brighton the other day, and saw a man with a leaf rake. I was so
tempted to call 911.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Rochester NY: We're being buried in leaves. My son and I raked up 40+
bags
of leaves in about 2 hours this past Sunday. We seem to be alone in
the
use
of that prehistoric tool, the rake. I'm surrounded by neighbors in
their
early 30s to mid 40s, in good shape, all of whom use leaf blowers and
take
all day to gather the same amount of leaves. And...cripes....the
noise!
Want
an investment tip? Hearing aids - the Next Big Thing for an entire
generation.