wrote
Joey wrote

Australia has NO nukes.

Wrong again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...ralian_Reactor
Right in the middle of the biggest city too.

That is not a production reactor doing much
useful for anyone except nuclear scientists.

Wrong, as always. It produces the medical isotopes.

That is a small research reactor.

Wrong, as always.

Sort of an HO gauge working model of a real
reactor that the grad students can play with..

Wrong, as always.

On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:

Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.

How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.

Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.

"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:

Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.

How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.

Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major metropolitan
center.

So that fool Clare ****ed that claim up completely, as I said.

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:46:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

wrote
Joey wrote

Australia has NO nukes.

Wrong again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...ralian_Reactor
Right in the middle of the biggest city too.

That is not a production reactor doing much
useful for anyone except nuclear scientists.

Wrong, as always. It produces the medical isotopes.

That is a small research reactor.

Wrong, as always.

Sort of an HO gauge working model of a real
reactor that the grad students can play with..

Wrong, as always.

We were talking about electric generation, hence the coal reference.
That kind of reactor makes isotopes whether they want to or not. You
are saying they found a way to sell some of their nuclear waste. Cool.

wrote
Rod Speed wrote
wrote
Joey wrote

Australia has NO nukes.

Wrong again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...ralian_Reactor
Right in the middle of the biggest city too.

That is not a production reactor doing much
useful for anyone except nuclear scientists.

Wrong, as always. It produces the medical isotopes.

That is a small research reactor.

Wrong, as always.

Sort of an HO gauge working model of a real
reactor that the grad students can play with..

Wrong, as always.

We were talking about electric generation,

And I was pointing out all your pig ignorant stupiditys.

hence the coal reference.

No one is playing with anything, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

That kind of reactor makes isotopes whether they want to or not.

Wrong, as always.

You are saying they found a way to sell some of their nuclear waste.

Wrong, as always.

The MEDICAL ISOTOPES they make do not come
from the used fuel rods, you pig ignorant clown.

Cool.

Pig ignorant, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...nd_operat ion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_medicine

On Mon, 24 May 2021 17:38:14 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
"Anonymous" to trolling senile Rodent Speed:
"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
MID:

On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:12 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:



Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.

Sure, lowbrowwoman, but WTF has this got to do with a group like ahr, senile
gossip?

On Mon, 24 May 2021 15:14:59 +1000, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH yet more of the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On 5/23/2021 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2021 11:28:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Australia has NO nukes.

Wrong again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...ralian_Reactor
Right in the middle of the biggest city too.


Funny how "Rod" and "Joey" posted exactly the same text.
It looks like a classic case of dissociative identity disorder.
I wonder if "Joey" is a girl?


Why is a kangaroo called a joey?
Answer: Originates in the aborigine language and joey means 'small
animal'. Joey is the collective norm for any small animals.

Given the definition of small, my guess Joey has a small penis but an
inflated ego posting on a newsgroup.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 18:56:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/21/2021 5:34 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:59:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



This is more sensible than many cars.* The article mentions that
charging is a problem.* For cars, I use mine for some long distance
trip so yes, it is a problem* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day
and a half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back
at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.


Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not
think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution
controls evolved.

Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from
lithium.

My issue with this is that gov't is forcing us to this. Innovation is not made
by force but with customer demand. Let's leave the climate beliefs out of the
equation. If these trucks start selling like hotcakes then one will see
everyone piling on board. Musk & others have products in the works. Let it
shake out. I believe it will have to move away from lithium.

At present the gov't subsidizes electric vehicles. Let's also leave the
national debt out of the equation. When prices go up because the subsidies end
will they be as popular? They only represent 2% now. IDK.

I would have to upgrade my electrical service for this. That u/g is over $4k
now. I don't have a garage so the car sits in the weather will the charging
station withstand this? I will probably be dust before my turn comes for one.

Around here it's semi-rural (now) but will the old farms and the like be able
to support EV's. IDK. Will farm equipment be EV? In California they want to
shutdown gas stations. How will people refuel? I believe all the vehicle owners
out there will not be purchasing EV's because of budgetary reasons. Gov't
mandates are cruel to ones without the cash.

To go see my BIL was over a 200 mile trip. How would I handle that?

Oh well, the wife is calling dinner so I'll shut up & see ya next time.


Wow, can you come up with more negativity?

I am stating my views, the same as you are. I have to deal with reality. I
won't be alive to see this.

Like I stated innovation is fueled by business. NOT government. Whatever the
gov't mandates is not observing of the negative consequences. It's a knee jerk
reaction to a situation in a slice of time.

To see your brother at 200 miles is not a problem and you can charge you
car when you get there.


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?

You don't have to upgrade your electric service if you are able to plug
in long enough. My daughter had a loaner that was electric and she just
used an extension cord. That said, if the old farm has 120 service, yes,
you can plug in a car but it takes longer.

Yes, you can do it outside. Nothing new, I plugged in my diesel in
winter 35 years ago so I image they have the technology.

Different application. A block heater doesn't draw the current a charger would
under your scenario.

Agree with government subsidy. It was OK initially as something has to
be done to eventually get away from oil so it was a kick start but has
to go away.

As for innovation by customer demand, it is there, it is growing. One
big thing is to get away from lithium and it is in the works. Better to
tinker with that now than 40 years from now when oil is scarce and very
expensive.


So the consumer will be paying more. What about the rates going up for people
not using EV's? They are a form of subsidization.

Government mandates can be crazy, can be good. Where would we be on
seat belts and air bags if not mandated? It has been well proven they
save lives. How about cleaner air from unleaded gas?


We are not discussing that. Let's leave the what if out.

You want to leave climate beliefs out of the equation but change is real
Time to do something about it.


According to you.

The more ICE cars off the road the longer oil will exist to supply farm
equipment that is not electrified. What is the future of air travel if
oil is gone? Do we really have to **** away oil on cruise ships? How
much fuel does the military need? Once oil is scarce they will get it
before you and I.

But the mandates are for the NEAR future.

I'm surprised at how closed minded people are on the subject. EVs do
not solve the world problem but we really have to look at the future and
do something about it. Clean air, clean water, clean energy are needed.

We are not closed minded but looking at reality. Why do you attack people with
opposing viewpoints instead of appreciating their points?

We can have a real discussion without attacking anyone.

Gotta go again, see ya later.
--
Tekkie

On Sun, 23 May 2021 23:27:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:24:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/23/2021 08:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/23/2021 12:52 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/22/2021 09:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/22/2021 10:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/22/2021 03:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Like it or not, they are coming and we don't have the
infrastructure to
support it. Sorry folks, but you will have nukes and windmills in the
backyard. Or it will be very dark riding your bike to the store.

Did the Turkey Point expansion ever happen? Gotta keep the lights on
at Dizzy World.

There was to be two plants but I don't think they are started. Some
local politicians objected.

Color me surprised.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-u-s-approval


The Martha's Vineyard crew must have really ****ed in Biden's Wheaties.

Can't see it from Kennedy's house so I guess it is OK.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...47541604359376

Kennedy has a dog in the fight but that doesn't mean his economic
observations aren't true.

https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2020...-rebury-cable/

There were economic concerns when the Block Island project was proposed
but the Rhode Island government rewrote the book in its favor. National
Grid screwed the pooch when burying the cable and the redo will not be
cheap. The question is if they can pass the cost onto the ratepayers.

Seabrook Station in New Hampshire was the end of Public Service of New
Hampshire. There were many protests but the killer was CWIP.
(Construction Works In Progress). The state court ruled that you can't
jack utility rates to finance something you're building and hasn't come
online.

Vineyard Wind will have 84 Haliade-X turbines that are 853 feet high
with 350' long blades.

https://www.ge.com/renewableenergy/w...fshore-turbine

Of course they'll be lit up like a Christmas tree at night. They'll be a
unique navigational aid. Years ago I sailed up the coast of Maine past
the Cutler VLF station. You definitely knew where you were when you saw
the antenna array. No hiding that puppy. You could also hear the
generator a couple of miles offshore.

http://navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler.htm


Note that Vinyard Wind is not Cape Wind, the one that was opposed by Fat
Teddy, Mittens Romney, Kerry, and the Kochs. That one petered out when
National Grid and Northeast Energy canceled their contracts when the
project didn't meet the milestones.

We'll see how this one goes and how much government subsidization is
needed to keep this one alive.


I just think it is a dumb idea thought up by someone who was never a
sailor. It has nothing to do with the view.
You can't put expensive technology in salt water and expect it to last
long without constant maintenance.

Hey Bod, is Fretwell right? You Brits have lots of offshore wind farms over
there, with one of them (Hornsea One) being 120km out into the north sea.
Any major maintenance issues?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

That is why they don't store moth
balled planes on an island. They park them in the desert.

Most aircraft aren't designed or built to spend their lives in salt air.
Apples and oranges.

That is where the wind farms should be too.

Hmmm, I would have thought wind farms should be built where the wind is,
but you may have a point. Build the wind farms first, then pipe in the wind
from somewhere else. I wonder why no one thought of that already.

Then they just need to deal with sand, a whole different kettle of
stinky fish.
(or peanuts for those who remember Desert One) ;-)

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 5/23/2021 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2021 11:28:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Australia has NO nukes.

Wrong again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...ralian_Reactor
Right in the middle of the biggest city too.


Funny how "Rod" and "Joey" posted exactly the same text.
It looks like a classic case of dissociative identity disorder.
I wonder if "Joey" is a girl?


Why is a kangaroo called a joey?
Answer: Originates in the aborigine language

There are in fact hundreds of them and they
are unintelligible to those of other tribes.

and joey means 'small animal'.

Joey is the collective norm for any small animals.

Wrong, its only used for kangaroos, not
dogs, cats, horses, sheep, pigs etc etc etc.

reams of your troll**** flushed where it belongs

On Tue, 25 May 2021 04:48:25 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


FLUSH troll**** unread


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"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:

Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.

How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.

Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.

It makes sense to generate electricity where it's to be used, unless
it can't be of course.

On Sun, 23 May 2021 23:36:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 11:28:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Australia has NO nukes.

Wrong again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...ralian_Reactor
Right in the middle of the biggest city too.


Funny how "Rod" and "Joey" posted exactly the same text.
It looks like a classic case of dissociative identity disorder.
I wonder if "Joey" is a girl?

Just a sockpuppet. Who knows what sex, if any, it is.

On 05/24/2021 06:28 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:

Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.

How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.

Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.

It makes sense to generate electricity where it's to be used, unless
it can't be of course.


Setting aside the losses transmission lines are almost as popular as
generating plants. Too bad Tesla's scheme didn't work out.

https://www.secretsofuniverse.in/tes...ion-technique/

There are some far field technologies but they have limited range and
tend to be detrimental to humans or other furry things that wander into
the beam.

I worked for a company that made dielectric heaters for the plastics
industry. Our quick and dirty test for a leaky RF cavity consisted of a
fluorescent tube taped to a broomstick. Transmitting enough power to
make it light up was not a good thing.

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.



You don't have to upgrade your electric service if you are able to plug
in long enough. My daughter had a loaner that was electric and she just
used an extension cord. That said, if the old farm has 120 service, yes,
you can plug in a car but it takes longer.


Time is money, especially in ag. So you charge up the truck but the combine and
tractor sit because they ran out of juice.

How may electric combines are out there? That is a long way off so
there is time for a solution if ever needed.



Yes, you can do it outside. Nothing new, I plugged in my diesel in
winter 35 years ago so I image they have the technology.

Different application. A block heater doesn't draw the current a charger would
under your scenario.

FACT: My daughter had an EV as a loaner. She just plugged it in to a
household outlet. No upgrade. Yes, it takes longer than a high voltage
but not impossible.


Time is money. Your daughter may not be typical user. What is a typical user of
an EV?

I know of one owner that had two charging stations installed in his
garage. Many owners make that investment. Every situation is different
but so far, many Tesla owners are high income and the cost of a charging
station is not a big deal. Like everything else, over time price drops
with volume.



You think people are closed minded because they don't agree with you. People
are trying to live day to day. Paycheck to paycheck. When the subsidies stop do
you think the average Joe is going to say: Yeah, I'll spend an extra 10k
because that will be good for the earth?


We are not closed minded but looking at reality. Why do you attack people with
opposing viewpoints instead of appreciating their points?

Your answer?

Attacking? No, you don't want to see solutions, you just want to throw
up obstacles.
You are already bringing up combines on farms when that is not even an
issue but you choose to add it in. Maybe in 10 or 30 years.




So the word of the day, since I don't agree with you is I'm closed minded?

See above where your lack of knowledge about what is taking place. You
are not asking questions, just showing how difficult it is.



They are not talking points but negativity. They are all problems that
can and will be overcome. If you were truly looking at reality you
would be facing the problems head on and solving them.

See above.
See above


No, it is not as simple as topping at a gas station but is is one of
many solutions. You have to WANT to see them.

I don't have to want anything. Maybe I like life the way it is. Your WANTS are
different then mine but you won't open your mind to that.

I like life the way it is too. Have you ever looked at the changes over
the past 10,000 years? It is not going to be the same, like it or not.
You can look at the future and see how you have to change or you can
wait until it is too late and be shocked. Adapt or die.



Reminds me of a meeting at work some years ago and two people were going
back and forth about a situation. The boss stopped them and said I want
you to bring me solutions, not problems. Changed attitude on how to
make things work.

So now you are admitting you are the BOSS. Your way or the highway. You have no
use for any else's viewpoints. There are plenty of people working on solutions;
take this posts subject for example. All the vehicle manufacturers are working
on the solutions. The CONSUMER will determine who wins the prize. Not YOU & you
better get used to it. What amount of auto emissions contribute to global
warming - in the USA? Versus the world?

WTF???? I never said I was the boss. Why are you making **** up?



What if the cure is worse than the disease? What if these future batteries
cause sufarcus poisoning? All the EVs have them. What do you do then. Mandate
them out of existence, with no solutions.

Right, a lot of stuff to sort out. Do you do nothing? I'm sure there
will be different generations as we progress. Look, they even make
airplanes with just one wing now.


Why do you not set your sights on China? They are the worlds biggest polluters,
they use slave labor, they will ship their (supposedly compliant) crap over
here without restriction. That will would help your immediate issues and allow
time to develop longer term solutions. Why not attack the problem at it's
source?

So do nothing for us? What do we do when oil runs out? Are you really
that short sighted?

I don't have any solutions, I don't think you or anybody here has any solution.
There are plenty of people working on it that are smarter and it's in their
field of expertise, but the way I see it MANDATES are not one of them.

Again, later.

Right, they are working on it in a POSITITVE way but you only see
problems and don't want to try to change things. You and I cannot
change the mandates ut we can do things to make them work better for
us. Or we can just bitch about it.

On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:47:44 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/24/2021 06:28 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:

Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.

How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.

Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.

It makes sense to generate electricity where it's to be used, unless
it can't be of course.


Setting aside the losses transmission lines are almost as popular as
generating plants. Too bad Tesla's scheme didn't work out.

https://www.secretsofuniverse.in/tes...ion-technique/

Good grief. Tesla was a loon. Positively insane at the end of his
life.

No, it's not too bad. Think about being between the transmitter and
receiver, not to mention the zero efficiency. Physics hasn't changed.

There are some far field technologies but they have limited range and
tend to be detrimental to humans or other furry things that wander into
the beam.

And zero efficiency.

I worked for a company that made dielectric heaters for the plastics
industry. Our quick and dirty test for a leaky RF cavity consisted of a
fluorescent tube taped to a broomstick. Transmitting enough power to
make it light up was not a good thing.

A tiny Tesla coil will do that. It's still zero power and efficiency.

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

snip

"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be
able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have
charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's
the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution.

I cant see it myself. The swap operation still has to charge the
batterys and they can't fast charge them because that ****s the
life of the batterys. So they need to have something like the
number of batterys that they swap in stock and that isnt cheap.

My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

Nice but not cheap.

On Tue, 25 May 2021 17:33:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:



OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution.

I cant see it myself.

Nobody talked to you or asked you anything, senile pest!

--
John addressing the senile Australian pest:
"You are a complete idiot. But you make me larf. LOL"
MID:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:47:44 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

On 05/24/2021 06:28 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:

Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.

How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.

Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.

It makes sense to generate electricity where it's to be used, unless
it can't be of course.


Setting aside the losses transmission lines are almost as popular as
generating plants. Too bad Tesla's scheme didn't work out.

https://www.secretsofuniverse.in/tes...ion-technique/

There are some far field technologies but they have limited range and
tend to be detrimental to humans or other furry things that wander into
the beam.

I worked for a company that made dielectric heaters for the plastics
industry. Our quick and dirty test for a leaky RF cavity consisted of a
fluorescent tube taped to a broomstick. Transmitting enough power to
make it light up was not a good thing.

Now thank those transmission lines for providing you with another
opportunity to keep babbling in your known wordy manner, senile
blabbermouth!

On 5/25/2021 12:55 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

snip


I've though that too. I did see some car that was developed to do that
but you had so swap only that brand, not a universal so very limited.

On 05/24/2021 08:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:47:44 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/24/2021 06:28 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:
Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.
How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.
Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.
It makes sense to generate electricity where it's to be used, unless
it can't be of course.

Setting aside the losses transmission lines are almost as popular as
generating plants. Too bad Tesla's scheme didn't work out.

https://www.secretsofuniverse.in/tes...ion-technique/
Good grief. Tesla was a loon. Positively insane at the end of his
life.

No, it's not too bad. Think about being between the transmitter and

That's why the idea of orbiting solar farms transmitting power to an
earth station via microwave or lasers will remain science fiction.

On Tue, 25 May 2021 07:43:24 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Good grief. Tesla was a loon. Positively insane at the end of his
life.

No, it's not too bad. Think about being between the transmitter and

That's why the idea of orbiting solar farms transmitting power to an
earth station via microwave or lasers will remain science fiction.

Unless they find a means (as they almost always do) to transmit via
microwave and laser or something else, oh, senile blabbermouth!

On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

snip

The first thing they would need to do is have a world wide battery
standard and I don't see that any time soon. The battery in an F-150
is not going to be the same as one in a Focus and that is just one
manufacturer. Would Tesla and Toyota use that same battery too?

On 5/25/2021 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

snip

The first thing they would need to do is have a world wide battery
standard and I don't see that any time soon. The battery in an F-150
is not going to be the same as one in a Focus and that is just one
manufacturer. Would Tesla and Toyota use that same battery too?

Batteries are evolving and the housings are even becoming part of the
chassis structure. Even with the same car it would be difficult.

On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

Not likely. People aren't going to want to trade a new battery for
something unknown. They're way too expensive to have the vehicle come
without a battery and pay a deposit for one at the electricity store.

On Tue, 25 May 2021 07:43:24 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/24/2021 08:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:47:44 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/24/2021 06:28 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/23/2021 07:15 PM, Joey wrote:
Nobody will allow them to be be built
within a thousand miles of them.
How odd that they did. With France and Japan and
India in spades. Britain too and countless others.
Most US nuclear plants were built within 75 miles of a major
metropolitan center.
It makes sense to generate electricity where it's to be used, unless
it can't be of course.

Setting aside the losses transmission lines are almost as popular as
generating plants. Too bad Tesla's scheme didn't work out.

https://www.secretsofuniverse.in/tes...ion-technique/
Good grief. Tesla was a loon. Positively insane at the end of his
life.

No, it's not too bad. Think about being between the transmitter and

That's why the idea of orbiting solar farms transmitting power to an
earth station via microwave or lasers will remain science fiction.

Very similar, just at a different part of the EM spectrum.

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.



You don't have to upgrade your electric service if you are able to plug
in long enough. My daughter had a loaner that was electric and she just
used an extension cord. That said, if the old farm has 120 service, yes,
you can plug in a car but it takes longer.


Time is money, especially in ag. So you charge up the truck but the combine and
tractor sit because they ran out of juice.

How may electric combines are out there? That is a long way off so
there is time for a solution if ever needed.



Yes, you can do it outside. Nothing new, I plugged in my diesel in
winter 35 years ago so I image they have the technology.

Different application. A block heater doesn't draw the current a charger would
under your scenario.

FACT: My daughter had an EV as a loaner. She just plugged it in to a
household outlet. No upgrade. Yes, it takes longer than a high voltage
but not impossible.


Time is money. Your daughter may not be typical user. What is a typical user of
an EV?

I know of one owner that had two charging stations installed in his
garage. Many owners make that investment. Every situation is different
but so far, many Tesla owners are high income and the cost of a charging
station is not a big deal. Like everything else, over time price drops
with volume.



You think people are closed minded because they don't agree with you. People
are trying to live day to day. Paycheck to paycheck. When the subsidies stop do
you think the average Joe is going to say: Yeah, I'll spend an extra 10k
because that will be good for the earth?


We are not closed minded but looking at reality. Why do you attack people with
opposing viewpoints instead of appreciating their points?

Your answer?

Attacking? No, you don't want to see solutions, you just want to throw
up obstacles.
You are already bringing up combines on farms when that is not even an
issue but you choose to add it in. Maybe in 10 or 30 years.




So the word of the day, since I don't agree with you is I'm closed minded?

See above where your lack of knowledge about what is taking place. You
are not asking questions, just showing how difficult it is.



They are not talking points but negativity. They are all problems that
can and will be overcome. If you were truly looking at reality you
would be facing the problems head on and solving them.

See above.
See above


No, it is not as simple as topping at a gas station but is is one of
many solutions. You have to WANT to see them.

I don't have to want anything. Maybe I like life the way it is. Your WANTS are
different then mine but you won't open your mind to that.

I like life the way it is too. Have you ever looked at the changes over
the past 10,000 years? It is not going to be the same, like it or not.
You can look at the future and see how you have to change or you can
wait until it is too late and be shocked. Adapt or die.



Reminds me of a meeting at work some years ago and two people were going
back and forth about a situation. The boss stopped them and said I want
you to bring me solutions, not problems. Changed attitude on how to
make things work.

So now you are admitting you are the BOSS. Your way or the highway. You have no
use for any else's viewpoints. There are plenty of people working on solutions;
take this posts subject for example. All the vehicle manufacturers are working
on the solutions. The CONSUMER will determine who wins the prize. Not YOU & you
better get used to it. What amount of auto emissions contribute to global
warming - in the USA? Versus the world?

WTF???? I never said I was the boss. Why are you making **** up?



What if the cure is worse than the disease? What if these future batteries
cause sufarcus poisoning? All the EVs have them. What do you do then. Mandate
them out of existence, with no solutions.

Right, a lot of stuff to sort out. Do you do nothing? I'm sure there
will be different generations as we progress. Look, they even make
airplanes with just one wing now.


Why do you not set your sights on China? They are the worlds biggest polluters,
they use slave labor, they will ship their (supposedly compliant) crap over
here without restriction. That will would help your immediate issues and allow
time to develop longer term solutions. Why not attack the problem at it's
source?

So do nothing for us? What do we do when oil runs out? Are you really
that short sighted?

I don't have any solutions, I don't think you or anybody here has any solution.
There are plenty of people working on it that are smarter and it's in their
field of expertise, but the way I see it MANDATES are not one of them.

Again, later.

Right, they are working on it in a POSITITVE way but you only see
problems and don't want to try to change things. You and I cannot
change the mandates ut we can do things to make them work better for
us. Or we can just bitch about it.

You and I CAN change the mandates. The mandates are made to cater to a specific
class of people - such as yourself - to favor for support and backing. These
mandates have no science behind them, no freethinking other than the present.

I don't understand the logic of your posts. When you first started this thread
you were stating that we had to act now and quoted mandates. I stated I didn't
think mandates would work. You insisted we had to act now. I tried to expand
that mandates are the problem and you brought the future in. I added
agriculture because that is local to me and wanted your solution to the
abolition of gasoline.

Ed, what you espouse is an example of closed minded reasoning. I am not being
negative; I am calling out the opposite views as I see them. For every positive
there is a negative.

Again, what is your solution regarding China? Why not mandate they stop
polluting? Why not mandate that all travel must be by rail? Why not mandate the
airplanes be grounded?

Again, my position, mandates do NOT work, business and economics will solve the
problems you espouse.

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...


On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

snip

Yes, that would be a plus. You are correct in that quick swaps are not designed
in. I believe for crash protection and fires. IDK Might be a future business
opportunity.

--
Tekkie

On Tue, 25 May 2021 12:27:47 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

Not likely. People aren't going to want to trade a new battery for
something unknown. They're way too expensive to have the vehicle come
without a battery and pay a deposit for one at the electricity store.

There are already rebuilt batteries for Prius and other brands that were early
adopters.

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:47:44 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...


https://www.secretsofuniverse.in/tes...ion-technique/

There are some far field technologies but they have limited range and
tend to be detrimental to humans or other furry things that wander into
the beam.

I worked for a company that made dielectric heaters for the plastics
industry. Our quick and dirty test for a leaky RF cavity consisted of a
fluorescent tube taped to a broomstick. Transmitting enough power to
make it light up was not a good thing.

Sterility guaranteed!

--
Tekkie

On Tue, 25 May 2021 16:01:14 -0400, Tekkie© posted for all of us to digest...


On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...


On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

snip

Yes, that would be a plus. You are correct in that quick swaps are not designed
in. I believe for crash protection and fires. IDK Might be a future business
opportunity.

I put a little more thought into this post. One can't ignore the fact that
these batteries are rated for 600 volts and high amperage. That will more than
melt your monkey wrench. I think we all have to stay tuned...

--
Tekkie

On 5/25/2021 3:50 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...






What if the cure is worse than the disease? What if these future batteries
cause sufarcus poisoning? All the EVs have them. What do you do then. Mandate
them out of existence, with no solutions.

Right, a lot of stuff to sort out. Do you do nothing? I'm sure there
will be different generations as we progress. Look, they even make
airplanes with just one wing now.


Why do you not set your sights on China? They are the worlds biggest polluters,
they use slave labor, they will ship their (supposedly compliant) crap over
here without restriction. That will would help your immediate issues and allow
time to develop longer term solutions. Why not attack the problem at it's
source?

So do nothing for us? What do we do when oil runs out? Are you really
that short sighted?

I don't have any solutions, I don't think you or anybody here has any solution.
There are plenty of people working on it that are smarter and it's in their
field of expertise, but the way I see it MANDATES are not one of them.

Again, later.

Right, they are working on it in a POSITITVE way but you only see
problems and don't want to try to change things. You and I cannot
change the mandates ut we can do things to make them work better for
us. Or we can just bitch about it.

You and I CAN change the mandates. The mandates are made to cater to a specific
class of people - such as yourself - to favor for support and backing. These
mandates have no science behind them, no freethinking other than the present.

OK, then get it changed. Once the restrictions on ICE cars is lifted
we can forget all of this. Let me know when it happens. There is
science behind it if you look. Plenty of arguments about how EVs are no
better but that is changing. It takes time to refine things.



I don't understand the logic of your posts. When you first started this thread
you were stating that we had to act now and quoted mandates. I stated I didn't
think mandates would work. You insisted we had to act now. I tried to expand
that mandates are the problem and you brought the future in. I added
agriculture because that is local to me and wanted your solution to the
abolition of gasoline.

I'm not abolishing gasoline but we will run out at some point, likely 40
to 50 years from now. Meantime, lets take steps for what we know is
coming, EV vehicles, like it or not. The less we use now, the longer it
will last for those combines you have.

Once the soon to be here problem is solved we can take care of the farm.
If oil use is reduced the farm problem can be delayed. It is all
working together.



Ed, what you espouse is an example of closed minded reasoning. I am not being
negative; I am calling out the opposite views as I see them. For every positive
there is a negative.

Again, what is your solution regarding China? Why not mandate they stop
polluting? Why not mandate that all travel must be by rail? Why not mandate the
airplanes be grounded?

WTF does China have to do with us driving cars. You keep bringing a
straw man into it. We can ask but we cannot make China do anything.
Lets keep on topic.

If we used more rail we would use cars less, a good thing. I'm not
suggesting mandates for it, you are.

We don't have to mandate grounding airplanes. Lack of jet fuel will do
that in 50 years.

Again, my position, mandates do NOT work, business and economics will solve the
problems you espouse.

Unfortunately, until you get those mandates changed we have to move
forward. Complaining about you cannot charge your EV when you visit
your brother is silly because that is an easily solved problem by the
time comes. Business is working on it.

When the time comes, industry will come up with farm equipment that is
either electric or mule powered but we don't have to do that yet.

Your position or my position on the mandates does not matter. What
matters is real life and we have to deal with it and make life as good
as possible. Let me know when you get them changed.

If you want to stop China from polluting, stop buying stuff from them.
The less they make, the less they pollute.

BTW. I do not own an electric car yet. If I had two cars, one may be.
I drove one and was quite impressed with many aspects of it, especially
how the AC worked on a sunny 90+ day.

On Tue, 25 May 2021 16:01:14 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...


On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

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Yes, that would be a plus. You are correct in that quick swaps are not designed
in. I believe for crash protection and fires. IDK Might be a future business
opportunity.

It would create a whole different design criteria, basically building
the car around a particular battery and some vehicles like the F-150
might actually use 2 but I see it as a niche market. It will be more
expensive and fraught with opportunities for fraud.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 5/25/2021 3:50 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...






What if the cure is worse than the disease? What if these future
batteries
cause sufarcus poisoning? All the EVs have them. What do you do then.
Mandate
them out of existence, with no solutions.

Right, a lot of stuff to sort out. Do you do nothing? I'm sure there
will be different generations as we progress. Look, they even make
airplanes with just one wing now.


Why do you not set your sights on China? They are the worlds biggest
polluters,
they use slave labor, they will ship their (supposedly compliant) crap
over
here without restriction. That will would help your immediate issues
and allow
time to develop longer term solutions. Why not attack the problem at
it's
source?

So do nothing for us? What do we do when oil runs out? Are you really
that short sighted?

I don't have any solutions, I don't think you or anybody here has any
solution.
There are plenty of people working on it that are smarter and it's in
their
field of expertise, but the way I see it MANDATES are not one of them.

Again, later.

Right, they are working on it in a POSITITVE way but you only see
problems and don't want to try to change things. You and I cannot
change the mandates ut we can do things to make them work better for
us. Or we can just bitch about it.

You and I CAN change the mandates. The mandates are made to cater to a
specific
class of people - such as yourself - to favor for support and backing.
These
mandates have no science behind them, no freethinking other than the
present.

OK, then get it changed. Once the restrictions on ICE cars is lifted we
can forget all of this. Let me know when it happens. There is science
behind it if you look. Plenty of arguments about how EVs are no better
but that is changing. It takes time to refine things.

They will always be worse with some things like range
with decent occupant comfort and refuel times.

That isnt true with no longer wasting all that natural
gas heating houses, food and water, that is already
better done with nukes with no downsides at all.

I don't understand the logic of your posts. When you first started this
thread
you were stating that we had to act now and quoted mandates. I stated I
didn't
think mandates would work. You insisted we had to act now. I tried to
expand
that mandates are the problem and you brought the future in. I added
agriculture because that is local to me and wanted your solution to the
abolition of gasoline.

I'm not abolishing gasoline but we will run out at some point, likely 40
to 50 years from now. Meantime, lets take steps for what we know is
coming, EV vehicles, like it or not.

It isnt certain that the EV route is best, in fact its the worst.

The less we use now, the longer it will last for those combines you have.

Just as true of the nuke route.

Once the soon to be here problem is solved we can take care of the farm.
If oil use is reduced the farm problem can be delayed. It is all working
together.

Works much better with nukes.

Ed, what you espouse is an example of closed minded reasoning. I am not
being
negative; I am calling out the opposite views as I see them. For every
positive
there is a negative.

Again, what is your solution regarding China? Why not mandate they stop
polluting? Why not mandate that all travel must be by rail? Why not
mandate the
airplanes be grounded?

WTF does China have to do with us driving cars. You keep bringing a straw
man into it. We can ask but we cannot make China do anything. Lets keep on
topic.

If we used more rail we would use cars less, a good thing. I'm not
suggesting mandates for it, you are.

We don't have to mandate grounding airplanes. Lack of jet fuel will do
that in 50 years.

That timescale remains to be seen and doesnt exist with
oil synthesised with the energy from nukes anyway,

Again, my position, mandates do NOT work, business and economics will
solve the
problems you espouse.

Unfortunately, until you get those mandates changed we have to move
forward. Complaining about you cannot charge your EV when you visit your
brother is silly because that is an easily solved problem by the time
comes. Business is working on it.

When the time comes, industry will come up with farm equipment that is
either electric or mule powered but we don't have to do that yet.

It will actually grow the fuel. That works fine now.

Your position or my position on the mandates does not matter. What
matters is real life and we have to deal with it and make life as good as
possible. Let me know when you get them changed.

If you want to stop China from polluting, stop buying stuff from them. The
less they make, the less they pollute.

BTW. I do not own an electric car yet. If I had two cars, one may be. I
drove one and was quite impressed with many aspects of it, especially how
the AC worked on a sunny 90+ day.

Pity about what that does to the range.

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

A bunch cut.

WTF does China have to do with us driving cars. You keep bringing a
straw man into it. We can ask but we cannot make China do anything.
Lets keep on topic.

More cut.

The world will need a lot of critical materials if we go to EVs if this is right.

" Indeed, a global energy transition like the one President Biden insists upon will send the need for critical materials skyrocketing by 2040:

Lithium: +4,200%
Graphite: +2,500%
Nickel: +1,900%
Rare-earths: +700%

The U.S. is setting itself up for major geopolitical risk: according to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, China provides more than 85% of the worlds rare-earths and holds 67% of the global supply of scarce metals and minerals. The U.S. itself imports some 80% of its rare-earths from China.

China also controls the supply chains, utilizing its widening Belt and Road Initiative that now encompasses 45 countries (more aptly termed €œpartners€�). We have already seen the devastation that such Chinese supply dominance can bring. If we dont start thinking more strategically, we are on a path toward cartel dependence. Given the urgency of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, this is a possibility that we simply cannot afford."

From
https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2021/05/21/climate_change_and_the_energy_transition_demand_a_ us_mining_revolution_778126.html

On Tue, 25 May 2021 16:04:05 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Tue, 25 May 2021 12:27:47 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

Not likely. People aren't going to want to trade a new battery for
something unknown. They're way too expensive to have the vehicle come
without a battery and pay a deposit for one at the electricity store.

There are already rebuilt batteries for Prius and other brands that were early
adopters.

We looked at that when we were starting our car hunt. It seems like
the useful life of the battery is 8 years or so. The rebuilts are not
much cheaper than aftermarket batteries and YMMV on the quality of the
cells they use in either. Not surprisingly, out around 8 years the
value of a hybrid seems to fall off by about as much as a battery
costs, installed. I was also surprised a Prius is not all that popular
on the used market.
Bear in mind this was a month ago. Car prices have gone absolutely
nuts since then and the "Stealers" seem to be the worst.
Duplicating the Ford I bought in early May cost me $2000 more from
Avis (a virtual clone) and they were the cheapest place I found. The
same car from the Honda dealer a year older, 6000 more miles was $2000
higher than that.

On Tue, 25 May 2021 16:04:05 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Tue, 25 May 2021 12:27:47 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Mon, 24 May 2021 23:55:10 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/24/2021 5:36 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 14:37:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


How do I do that with all the employees plugged in? Think I'll be be able to
plugin to the nursing home outlet? Do you think they will have charging
stations for visitors?


Do you think minimum wage nursing home employees will have EVs?

No. but the doctors, nurses, therapists and visitors may. Remains to be
seen.



They may in the future. There are also many charging stations at rest
stops now. Some restaurants have them so you can stop for a snack and
get a charge. More charging stations are popping up every day.

"Stopping for a snack & get a charge" How far will this take you? What's the
mileage for say a 20 minute charge?

So the customers are subsidizing the EV users (again).

What is many? Who pays to install, maintain them?


OK. your lack of knowledge is showing. There are a few commercial
enterprises putting them in and they charge the customer to use them and
they make a profit. Works like gas stations but they sell electric
instead of gas. Some have plans for discounts.

I wonder if battery swaps, of some sort, will ever be part of the EV
solution. My goal would be to reduce the charging time to roughly equal the
time it currently takes to fill a gas tank rather than hanging around at
the charging station for hours and hours. I don't think current EVs are
designed with quick battery swaps in mind, for multiple reasons, but it
could be nice at some point.

Not likely. People aren't going to want to trade a new battery for
something unknown. They're way too expensive to have the vehicle come
without a battery and pay a deposit for one at the electricity store.

There are already rebuilt batteries for Prius and other brands that were early
adopters.

Totally irrelevant but keep guessing.