https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
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This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

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On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging
is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it
is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

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On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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This is more sensible than many cars.Â* The article mentions that
charging is a problem.Â* For cars, I use mine for some long distance
trip so yes, it is a problemÂ* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day
and a half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back
at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.


Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not
think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution
controls evolved.

Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from
lithium.

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On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.

Electrics have a way to go

Most of the downsides over an ICE will never go.

but look back at history. People did not think the automobile would ever
replace the horse.

Only the fools didnt once the automobile got reliable enough.

No need for staging posts with the automobile,
no need for the long winded stuff you have to
do every day you use a horse to go anywhere,
no farting around chasing around the damned
paddock before you can use it etc etc etc.

Look how pollution controls evolved.

In practice that is a complete yawn for most with ICEs

Battery technology is improving

But is nothing even remotely like as long lived
as an ICE engine and will always cost more.

and in a few years my be away from lithium.

That is the time to consider if it makes any sense
instead of an ICE.

And the other problem with EVs is the ****ed range
with decent climate control for the occupants and
the damned nuisance of having to plug the damned
thing in every time you use it.

Even the lower fuel cost per mile doesnt pay for itself.

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On 05/20/2021 04:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance
trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day
and a half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back
at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.


Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not
think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution
controls evolved.

Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from lithium.



https://junkscience.com/2020/10/mean...bor-in-africa/

Black lives don't matter for **** in the DRC as long as the libs can
have their Teslas.

On 5/20/2021 9:56 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/20/2021 04:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price




This is more sensible than many cars.Â* The article mentions that
charging is a problem.Â* For cars, I use mine for some long distance
trip so yes, it is a problemÂ* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day
and a half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back
at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.


Electrics have a way to go but look back at history.Â* People did not
think the automobile would ever replace the horse.Â* Look how pollution
controls evolved.

Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from
lithium.



https://junkscience.com/2020/10/mean...bor-in-africa/


Black lives don't matter for **** in the DRC as long as the libs can
have their Teslas.

Hey, they are good careers! Life long jobs except they don't live very long.

From what I read, lithium is on the way out in the next few years.

Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:


Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not
think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution
controls evolved.

Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from
lithium.

A few years? Try next year. Production LI-S (Lithium-Sulfer)
batteries will be coming off the production line late this year
for certain applications (Urban Air Mobility) with 2x the
energy density of Li-ion.

Within five, you'll likely see Al-ion batteries with 5x the
capacity.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21108-4

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:59:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



This is more sensible than many cars.* The article mentions that
charging is a problem.* For cars, I use mine for some long distance
trip so yes, it is a problem* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day
and a half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back
at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.


Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not
think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution
controls evolved.

Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from
lithium.

My issue with this is that gov't is forcing us to this. Innovation is not made
by force but with customer demand. Let's leave the climate beliefs out of the
equation. If these trucks start selling like hotcakes then one will see
everyone piling on board. Musk & others have products in the works. Let it
shake out. I believe it will have to move away from lithium.

At present the gov't subsidizes electric vehicles. Let's also leave the
national debt out of the equation. When prices go up because the subsidies end
will they be as popular? They only represent 2% now. IDK.

I would have to upgrade my electrical service for this. That u/g is over $4k
now. I don't have a garage so the car sits in the weather will the charging
station withstand this? I will probably be dust before my turn comes for one.

Around here it's semi-rural (now) but will the old farms and the like be able
to support EV's. IDK. Will farm equipment be EV? In California they want to
shutdown gas stations. How will people refuel? I believe all the vehicle owners
out there will not be purchasing EV's because of budgetary reasons. Gov't
mandates are cruel to ones without the cash.

To go see my BIL was over a 200 mile trip. How would I handle that?

Oh well, the wife is calling dinner so I'll shut up & see ya next time.

--
Tekkie

On 5/21/2021 5:34 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:59:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



This is more sensible than many cars.Â* The article mentions that
charging is a problem.Â* For cars, I use mine for some long distance
trip so yes, it is a problemÂ* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day
and a half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back
at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Still no point over the conventional version.


Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not
think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution
controls evolved.

Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from
lithium.

My issue with this is that gov't is forcing us to this. Innovation is not made
by force but with customer demand. Let's leave the climate beliefs out of the
equation. If these trucks start selling like hotcakes then one will see
everyone piling on board. Musk & others have products in the works. Let it
shake out. I believe it will have to move away from lithium.

At present the gov't subsidizes electric vehicles. Let's also leave the
national debt out of the equation. When prices go up because the subsidies end
will they be as popular? They only represent 2% now. IDK.

I would have to upgrade my electrical service for this. That u/g is over $4k
now. I don't have a garage so the car sits in the weather will the charging
station withstand this? I will probably be dust before my turn comes for one.

Around here it's semi-rural (now) but will the old farms and the like be able
to support EV's. IDK. Will farm equipment be EV? In California they want to
shutdown gas stations. How will people refuel? I believe all the vehicle owners
out there will not be purchasing EV's because of budgetary reasons. Gov't
mandates are cruel to ones without the cash.

To go see my BIL was over a 200 mile trip. How would I handle that?

Oh well, the wife is calling dinner so I'll shut up & see ya next time.


Wow, can you come up with more negativity?
To see your brother at 200 miles is not a problem and you can charge you
car when you get there.

You don't have to upgrade your electric service if you are able to plug
in long enough. My daughter had a loaner that was electric and she just
used an extension cord. That said, if the old farm has 120 service, yes,
you can plug in a car but it takes longer.

Yes, you can do it outside. Nothing new, I plugged in my diesel in
winter 35 years ago so I image they have the technology.

Agree with government subsidy. It was OK initially as something has to
be done to eventually get away from oil so it was a kick start but has
to go away.

As for innovation by customer demand, it is there, it is growing. One
big thing is to get away from lithium and it is in the works. Better to
tinker with that now than 40 years from now when oil is scarce and very
expensive.

Government mandates can be crazy, can be good. Where would we be on
seat belts and air bags if not mandated? It has been well proven they
save lives. How about cleaner air from unleaded gas?

You want to leave climate beliefs out of the equation but change is real
Time to do something about it.

The more ICE cars off the road the longer oil will exist to supply farm
equipment that is not electrified. What is the future of air travel if
oil is gone? Do we really have to **** away oil on cruise ships? How
much fuel does the military need? Once oil is scarce they will get it
before you and I.

I'm surprised at how closed minded people are on the subject. EVs do
not solve the world problem but we really have to look at the future and
do something about it. Clean air, clean water, clean energy are needed.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

Is that where the generator is to recharge the truck?

Hey, you can power your house from it! Tesla didn't like the guy that tried
that, so Ford is a winner.

--
Tekkie

On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all
night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service
upgrade at your house.
The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at
480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is
input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power).

It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really
take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000
EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each.

On 5/20/2021 8:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all
night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service
upgrade at your house.
The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at
480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is
input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power).

It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really
take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000
EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each.



None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to
$2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does
not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis.
How many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours
and you are topped up.

The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there
were already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to
that point and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist
in 1903 but they invented the airplane anyway.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 5/20/2021 8:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all
night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service
upgrade at your house.
The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at
480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is
input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power).

It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really
take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000
EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each.



None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to
$2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does
not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis. How
many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours and you
are topped up.

The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there were
already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to that point
and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist in 1903 but
they invented the airplane anyway.

Planes and automobiles had massive advantages over what they replaced.

EV dont have even a single advantage over an ICE.
The lower fuel cost per mile doesnt even pay for itself
even if you get the fuel for free from your solar panels.

On 5/20/2021 9:25 PM, Joey wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message


Planes and automobiles had massive advantages over what they replaced.

EV dont have even a single advantage over an ICE.
The lower fuel cost per mile doesnt even pay for itself
even if you get the fuel for free from your solar panels.

Of course they do, you are not thinking of the future. Now you do
mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. What will
be the situation with gas/oil in the next 10, 20, 50 years? It will be
more expensive and harder and harder to find.

There is a finite amount of oil. When should we come up with
alternatives? Every car or truck that is fueled by other than oil
leaves a bit more to make the transition easier.

There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as
of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its
annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves).

On Thu, 20 May 2021 20:49:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 8:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all
night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service
upgrade at your house.
The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at
480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is
input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power).

It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really
take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000
EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each.



None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to
$2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does
not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis.
How many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours
and you are topped up.

If those trucks are used like trucks, that 300 mile range is a
fantasy. Hook that 10,000 pound trailer, they brag about, on it and
drive it around all day in the winter with a 5000 watt heater going.
See how you do then. That also assumes they are not using the power
ports as a job site generator.
Maybe I am used to work trucks.
They may think everyone is just going to buy big tires, shine their
truck up, cruise around and try to impress the cow girls.


The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there
were already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to
that point and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist
in 1903 but they invented the airplane anyway.

The big difference is gasoline was a waste product from the production
of kerosene, a glut on the dry cleaning market and there was already
an infrastructure for distributing kerosene. Rockefeller was pretty
fast to expand that into a national network of gas stations. Cars were
also a totally new thing so the gasoline infrastructure had plenty of
time to evolve.

These EVs are coming fast and I am not sure if the grid is up to the
task. That is particularly true in places like California and the
Northeast where the grid is already straining.

wrote
Ed Pawlowski wrote
wrote
Ed Pawlowski wrote
Dean Hoffman wrote

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance
trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back
at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all
night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service
upgrade at your house.
The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at
480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is
input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power).

It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really
take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000
EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each.



None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to
$2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does
not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis.
How many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours
and you are topped up.

If those trucks are used like trucks, that 300 mile range is a
fantasy. Hook that 10,000 pound trailer, they brag about, on it and
drive it around all day in the winter with a 5000 watt heater going.
See how you do then. That also assumes they are not using the power
ports as a job site generator.
Maybe I am used to work trucks.
They may think everyone is just going to buy big tires, shine their
truck up, cruise around and try to impress the cow girls.


The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there
were already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to
that point and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist
in 1903 but they invented the airplane anyway.

The big difference is gasoline was a waste product from the production
of kerosene, a glut on the dry cleaning market and there was already
an infrastructure for distributing kerosene. Rockefeller was pretty
fast to expand that into a national network of gas stations. Cars were
also a totally new thing so the gasoline infrastructure had plenty of
time to evolve.

These EVs are coming fast and I am not sure if the grid is up to the task.

Corse it isnt.

That is particularly true in places like California and
the Northeast where the grid is already straining.

Yep, not a hope in hell that it can handle a substantial number of EVs.

On 5/21/2021 12:19 AM, wrote:

None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to
$2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does
not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis.
How many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours
and you are topped up.

If those trucks are used like trucks, that 300 mile range is a
fantasy. Hook that 10,000 pound trailer, they brag about, on it and
drive it around all day in the winter with a 5000 watt heater going.
See how you do then. That also assumes they are not using the power
ports as a job site generator.
Maybe I am used to work trucks.
They may think everyone is just going to buy big tires, shine their
truck up, cruise around and try to impress the cow girls.

Look around at the supermarket parking lot. Thousand of trucks never
haul more than two bags of groceries. They never travel more than 20
miles from home. There is a big market for that. Every EV that
replaces a gas or diesel stretches the finite supply of oil.



The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there
were already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to
that point and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist
in 1903 but they invented the airplane anyway.

The big difference is gasoline was a waste product from the production
of kerosene, a glut on the dry cleaning market and there was already
an infrastructure for distributing kerosene. Rockefeller was pretty
fast to expand that into a national network of gas stations. Cars were
also a totally new thing so the gasoline infrastructure had plenty of
time to evolve.

These EVs are coming fast and I am not sure if the grid is up to the
task. That is particularly true in places like California and the
Northeast where the grid is already straining.


No the grid is not up to it. Will it ever be if not pushed into it? CA
can't even keep the lights on at night so this is what will push them to
act now, not 40 years when too late.

What is your plan for 50 years from now? How do we fuel ships and
airplanes? How about all those homes heated with NG or oil?

On 5/21/2021 12:19 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 20:49:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 8:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all
night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service
upgrade at your house.
The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at
480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is
input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power).

It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really
take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000
EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each.



None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to
$2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does
not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis.
How many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours
and you are topped up.

If those trucks are used like trucks, that 300 mile range is a
fantasy. Hook that 10,000 pound trailer, they brag about, on it and
drive it around all day in the winter with a 5000 watt heater going.
See how you do then. That also assumes they are not using the power
ports as a job site generator.
Maybe I am used to work trucks.
They may think everyone is just going to buy big tires, shine their
truck up, cruise around and try to impress the cow girls.


The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there
were already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to
that point and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist
in 1903 but they invented the airplane anyway.

The big difference is gasoline was a waste product from the production
of kerosene, a glut on the dry cleaning market and there was already
an infrastructure for distributing kerosene. Rockefeller was pretty
fast to expand that into a national network of gas stations. Cars were
also a totally new thing so the gasoline infrastructure had plenty of
time to evolve.

These EVs are coming fast and I am not sure if the grid is up to the
task. That is particularly true in places like California and the
Northeast where the grid is already straining.


I have no problem with EV's and think they have their place.

What I do have a problem with is government mandating them and
subsidizing them. A huge infrastructure change is required and pushing
it will cause a mess.

Also with government, it is usually one size fits all. For example Japan
and California will not allow gas powered cars in the future but driving
distances in Japan may only be a quarter of what is needed in California.

Some people need to travel long distances to do things in states like
Montana.

Then I read that 17% of the people in the US live in apartments and
condos. How will they charge their vehicles except at charging
stations? There are also those in townhouses and those without garages.

I could go on, but you get my point.

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 7:22:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.
You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all
night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service
upgrade at your house.
The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at
480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is
input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power).

It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really
take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000
EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each.

Interruptible power, maybe by hour or day would help a little.
The tree huggers can't wait for more coal power plants to be built.

On 05/20/2021 12:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Don't forget to plug your forklift in when you leave...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Electric_Truck

I'm not sure it was a Walker but I've seen a early 1900's electric
delivery truck in a museum, possibly the one in Reno.

On 5/20/2021 9:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/20/2021 12:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price




This is more sensible than many cars.Â* The article mentions that
charging is a problem.Â* For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problemÂ* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Don't forget to plug your forklift in when you leave...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Electric_Truck

Cool. Never saw that. Looks decent size.



I'm not sure it was a Walker but I've seen a early 1900's electric
delivery truck in a museum, possibly the one in Reno.


When I lived in CT a guy in town had a Baker Electric from about 1906.
He took it out once a year for the 4th of July parade.

"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 05/20/2021 12:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Don't forget to plug your forklift in when you leave...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Electric_Truck

I'm not sure it was a Walker but I've seen a early 1900's electric
delivery truck in a museum, possibly the one in Reno.

They were common for delivering milk first
thing in the morning in britain back then

On Fri, 21 May 2021 12:12:11 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

In writes:

[snip]

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with
an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines.



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On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

[snip]

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with
an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines.

That's pretty much irrelevant if the suspension has to support it.
BTW, more torque, not more HP.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 00:02:00 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

[snip]

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with
an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines.

That's pretty much irrelevant if the suspension has to support it.
BTW, more torque, not more HP.

They can still blaze away from a stoplight.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

[snip]

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with
an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines.

I would be curious how those Tesla drivers do on range when they are
showing off their 0-60 at every light. The ones I see look like some
Mobil Gas Economy Run veteran is driving.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 00:42:16 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

[snip]

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with
an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines.

I would be curious how those Tesla drivers do on range when they are
showing off their 0-60 at every light. The ones I see look like some
Mobil Gas Economy Run veteran is driving.

Yeah! They only time they put the foot on the pedal is when they cut you off to
get a parking space.

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writes:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

Four thousand pounds in the back, four hundred in the frunk
and a towing capacity of 10,000 pounds. Suits the vast majority
of truck users just fine.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:26:41 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that
charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip
so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a
half.

Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at
the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in.

Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there.

I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The
batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability.

Four thousand pounds in the back, four hundred in the frunk
and a towing capacity of 10,000 pounds. Suits the vast majority
of truck users just fine.

What is the range then?

Dean Hoffman wrote

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price

Completely ****ed charging wise. **** that.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 05:32:15 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price


Just saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKg0R-nkuQ

On 5/27/2021 7:03 PM, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



Just saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKg0R-nkuQ

At least he was honest and said "nobody knows". I don't know how he has
so many followers unless they have investments in caffeine. I can't
take a lot of hyper Scotty.

On 5/27/2021 7:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/27/2021 7:03 PM, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



Just saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKg0R-nkuQ

At least he was honest and said "nobody knows".Â* I don't know how he has
so many followers unless they have investments in caffeine.Â* I can't
take a lot of hyper Scotty.

I get a kick out of him but could understand some might not like his style.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 19:30:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/27/2021 7:03 PM, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price



Just saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKg0R-nkuQ

At least he was honest and said "nobody knows". I don't know how he has
so many followers unless they have investments in caffeine. I can't
take a lot of hyper Scotty.

I can't either. Hyper is a good word for him. I'm not going to watch the vid
because my time is worth something, Scotty will make a few cents off it and I
think I have a sense of it already.

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Tekkie