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OT. Ford Lightning. Battery F150
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price
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On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. |
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Dean Hoffman wrote
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price Completely ****ed charging wise. **** that. |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Fri, 21 May 2021 05:32:15 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Still no point over the conventional version. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. |
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More Heavy Trolling by the Senile Octogenarian Nym-Shifting Ozzie Cretin!
On Fri, 21 May 2021 06:34:01 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent: "Ah, the voice of scum speaks." MID: |
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OT. Ford Lightning. Battery F150
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to digest... On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. Is that where the generator is to recharge the truck? Hey, you can power your house from it! Tesla didn't like the guy that tried that, so Ford is a winner. -- Tekkie |
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On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars.Â* The article mentions that charging is a problem.Â* For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problemÂ* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Still no point over the conventional version. Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution controls evolved. Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from lithium. |
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service upgrade at your house. The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at 480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power). It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000 EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each. |
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On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 7:22:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service upgrade at your house. The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at 480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power). It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000 EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each. Interruptible power, maybe by hour or day would help a little. The tree huggers can't wait for more coal power plants to be built. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Still no point over the conventional version. Electrics have a way to go Most of the downsides over an ICE will never go. but look back at history. People did not think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Only the fools didnt once the automobile got reliable enough. No need for staging posts with the automobile, no need for the long winded stuff you have to do every day you use a horse to go anywhere, no farting around chasing around the damned paddock before you can use it etc etc etc. Look how pollution controls evolved. In practice that is a complete yawn for most with ICEs Battery technology is improving But is nothing even remotely like as long lived as an ICE engine and will always cost more. and in a few years my be away from lithium. That is the time to consider if it makes any sense instead of an ICE. And the other problem with EVs is the ****ed range with decent climate control for the occupants and the damned nuisance of having to plug the damned thing in every time you use it. Even the lower fuel cost per mile doesnt pay for itself. |
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On 5/20/2021 9:25 PM, Joey wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Planes and automobiles had massive advantages over what they replaced. EV dont have even a single advantage over an ICE. The lower fuel cost per mile doesnt even pay for itself even if you get the fuel for free from your solar panels. Of course they do, you are not thinking of the future. Now you do mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. What will be the situation with gas/oil in the next 10, 20, 50 years? It will be more expensive and harder and harder to find. There is a finite amount of oil. When should we come up with alternatives? Every car or truck that is fueled by other than oil leaves a bit more to make the transition easier. There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). |
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On 05/20/2021 12:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Don't forget to plug your forklift in when you leave... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Electric_Truck I'm not sure it was a Walker but I've seen a early 1900's electric delivery truck in a museum, possibly the one in Reno. |
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On 05/20/2021 04:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Still no point over the conventional version. Electrics have a way to go but look back at history. People did not think the automobile would ever replace the horse. Look how pollution controls evolved. Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from lithium. https://junkscience.com/2020/10/mean...bor-in-africa/ Black lives don't matter for **** in the DRC as long as the libs can have their Teslas. |
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On 5/20/2021 9:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/20/2021 12:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars.Â* The article mentions that charging is a problem.Â* For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problemÂ* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Don't forget to plug your forklift in when you leave... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Electric_Truck Cool. Never saw that. Looks decent size. I'm not sure it was a Walker but I've seen a early 1900's electric delivery truck in a museum, possibly the one in Reno. When I lived in CT a guy in town had a Baker Electric from about 1906. He took it out once a year for the 4th of July parade. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news On 5/20/2021 9:25 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Planes and automobiles had massive advantages over what they replaced. EV dont have even a single advantage over an ICE. The lower fuel cost per mile doesnt even pay for itself even if you get the fuel for free from your solar panels. Of course they do, you are not thinking of the future. The future is irrelevant when considering whether to buy an ICE or an EV which will be worthless in less than 8 years when it needs a new very expensive battery. Now you do mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. Not currently it isnt because of the stupidly higher price of the EV version and the cost of the solar panels. What will be the situation with gas/oil in the next 10, 20, 50 years? It will be more expensive and harder and harder to find. That is the time you consider which to buy next, not today. There is a finite amount of oil. When should we come up with alternatives? We already have the alternative natural gas. Every car or truck that is fueled by other than oil leaves a bit more to make the transition easier. Mindless stuff. There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). And when that is gone we can make more using the power from nukes. |
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability. |
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"rbowman" wrote in message ... On 05/20/2021 12:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Don't forget to plug your forklift in when you leave... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Electric_Truck I'm not sure it was a Walker but I've seen a early 1900's electric delivery truck in a museum, possibly the one in Reno. They were common for delivering milk first thing in the morning in britain back then |
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In writes:
[snip] I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability. otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines. -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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On 5/20/2021 9:56 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/20/2021 04:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/20/2021 4:34 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars.Â* The article mentions that charging is a problem.Â* For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problemÂ* when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Still no point over the conventional version. Electrics have a way to go but look back at history.Â* People did not think the automobile would ever replace the horse.Â* Look how pollution controls evolved. Battery technology is improving and in a few years my be away from lithium. https://junkscience.com/2020/10/mean...bor-in-africa/ Black lives don't matter for **** in the DRC as long as the libs can have their Teslas. Hey, they are good careers! Life long jobs except they don't live very long. From what I read, lithium is on the way out in the next few years. |
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On 5/20/2021 10:10 PM, Joey wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news On 5/20/2021 9:25 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Planes and automobiles had massive advantages over what they replaced. EV dont have even a single advantage over an ICE. The lower fuel cost per mile doesnt even pay for itself even if you get the fuel for free from your solar panels. Of course they do, you are not thinking of the future. The future is irrelevant when considering whether to buy an ICE or an EV which will be worthless in less than 8 years when it needs a new very expensive battery. Now you do mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. Not currently it isnt because of the stupidly higher price of the EV version and the cost of the solar panels. What will be the situation with gas/oil in the next 10, 20, 50 years? It will be more expensive and harder and harder to find. That is the time you consider which to buy next, not today. There is a finite amount of oil.Â* When should we come up with alternatives? We already have the alternative natural gas. Every car or truck that is fueled by other than oil leaves a bit more to make the transition easier. Mindless stuff. There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). And when that is gone we can make more using the power from nukes. Natural gas is finite too. There are 6,923 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of proven gas reserves in the world as of 2017. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 52.3 times its annual consumption. This means it has about 52 years of gas left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). So we have about 40 years to make the transition. It is evolutionary, not revolutionary. NOW is the time to start sorting out the issues for a future. Sorry you are so shortsighted. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 10:10 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news On 5/20/2021 9:25 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Planes and automobiles had massive advantages over what they replaced. EV dont have even a single advantage over an ICE. The lower fuel cost per mile doesnt even pay for itself even if you get the fuel for free from your solar panels. Of course they do, you are not thinking of the future. The future is irrelevant when considering whether to buy an ICE or an EV which will be worthless in less than 8 years when it needs a new very expensive battery. Now you do mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. Not currently it isnt because of the stupidly higher price of the EV version and the cost of the solar panels. What will be the situation with gas/oil in the next 10, 20, 50 years? It will be more expensive and harder and harder to find. That is the time you consider which to buy next, not today. There is a finite amount of oil. When should we come up with alternatives? We already have the alternative natural gas. Every car or truck that is fueled by other than oil leaves a bit more to make the transition easier. Mindless stuff. There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). And when that is gone we can make more using the power from nukes. Natural gas is finite too. There are 6,923 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of proven gas reserves in the world as of 2017. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 52.3 times its annual consumption. This means it has about 52 years of gas left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). That ignores fracking. So we have about 40 years to make the transition. It is evolutionary, not revolutionary. Thats bull**** with the change from ICE to EV. NOW is the time to start sorting out the issues for a future. Design wise, but not buying wise. Nothing is achieved by farting around plugging the stupid EV in every ****ing night and spending stupid money replacing the very expensive battery every 7 years or so and polluting the environment with ****ed EV batteries. Sorry you are so shortsighted. More mindless bull****. |
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On 5/20/2021 11:22 PM, Joey wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Sorry you are so shortsighted. More mindless bull****. That's the best you can come up with? |
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote: In writes: [snip] I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability. otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines. That's pretty much irrelevant if the suspension has to support it. BTW, more torque, not more HP. |
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 20:49:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 8:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:57:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/20/2021 11:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service upgrade at your house. The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at 480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power). It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000 EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each. None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to $2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis. How many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours and you are topped up. If those trucks are used like trucks, that 300 mile range is a fantasy. Hook that 10,000 pound trailer, they brag about, on it and drive it around all day in the winter with a 5000 watt heater going. See how you do then. That also assumes they are not using the power ports as a job site generator. Maybe I am used to work trucks. They may think everyone is just going to buy big tires, shine their truck up, cruise around and try to impress the cow girls. The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there were already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to that point and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist in 1903 but they invented the airplane anyway. The big difference is gasoline was a waste product from the production of kerosene, a glut on the dry cleaning market and there was already an infrastructure for distributing kerosene. Rockefeller was pretty fast to expand that into a national network of gas stations. Cars were also a totally new thing so the gasoline infrastructure had plenty of time to evolve. These EVs are coming fast and I am not sure if the grid is up to the task. That is particularly true in places like California and the Northeast where the grid is already straining. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 11:22 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Sorry you are so shortsighted. More mindless bull****. That's the best you can come up with? Clearly that **** is the best you can come up with. |
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 21:49:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 9:25 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Planes and automobiles had massive advantages over what they replaced. EV dont have even a single advantage over an ICE. The lower fuel cost per mile doesnt even pay for itself even if you get the fuel for free from your solar panels. Of course they do, you are not thinking of the future. Now you do mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. What will be the situation with gas/oil in the next 10, 20, 50 years? It will be more expensive and harder and harder to find. There is a finite amount of oil. When should we come up with alternatives? Every car or truck that is fueled by other than oil leaves a bit more to make the transition easier. There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). We have been hearing about running out of oil for 50 years and we keep finding more. I also wonder if your boss is going to buy and maintain $15,000 worth of solar panels for every parking spot? Hope you don't have a cloudy day or you might not make it home. |
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote: In writes: [snip] I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability. otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines. I would be curious how those Tesla drivers do on range when they are showing off their 0-60 at every light. The ones I see look like some Mobil Gas Economy Run veteran is driving. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote wrote Ed Pawlowski wrote Dean Hoffman wrote https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22442777/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-specs-price This is more sensible than many cars. The article mentions that charging is a problem. For cars, I use mine for some long distance trip so yes, it is a problem when you want to do 1200 miles in a day and a half. Many trucks though, are used for work in a smaller range and are back at the shop or home at night so you can just plug it in. Funny to see the hood open and a bunch of stuff stored in there. You still have to be near a big charger. That 80 amp charger takes all night to charge the truck. The 80 amp charger may prompt a service upgrade at your house. The 150KW charger is some serious power. It would be over 180 amps at 480v 3p delta. (minimum circuit ampacity is 225a assuming the 150kw is input power and a PF of 1, not delivered power). It does make me wonder what happens to the grid if these things really take off. Night time will certainly not be "off peak" with 200,000,000 EVs plugged in sucking down 10-20 KVA each. None of those things are insurmountable. Home chargers are $1000 to $2000. Not all that much to add to the loan for a $50k truck. It does not take all night to charge a truck if you do it on a regular basis. How many miles will the average person drive a day? A couple of hours and you are topped up. If those trucks are used like trucks, that 300 mile range is a fantasy. Hook that 10,000 pound trailer, they brag about, on it and drive it around all day in the winter with a 5000 watt heater going. See how you do then. That also assumes they are not using the power ports as a job site generator. Maybe I am used to work trucks. They may think everyone is just going to buy big tires, shine their truck up, cruise around and try to impress the cow girls. The only reason the automobile was successful was the fact that there were already 50,000 gas stations right? It took 100 years to get to that point and the infrastructure has to change. Airports did not exist in 1903 but they invented the airplane anyway. The big difference is gasoline was a waste product from the production of kerosene, a glut on the dry cleaning market and there was already an infrastructure for distributing kerosene. Rockefeller was pretty fast to expand that into a national network of gas stations. Cars were also a totally new thing so the gasoline infrastructure had plenty of time to evolve. These EVs are coming fast and I am not sure if the grid is up to the task. Corse it isnt. That is particularly true in places like California and the Northeast where the grid is already straining. Yep, not a hope in hell that it can handle a substantial number of EVs. |
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 23:34:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:22 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Sorry you are so shortsighted. More mindless bull****. That's the best you can come up with? Sounds like Rod to me. |
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On 05/20/2021 07:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Now you do mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. TANSTAAFL |
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 00:02:00 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein wrote: In writes: [snip] I'm not a fan of electrics but I really can't see it in a truck. The batteries subtract from the payload and towing capability. otoh, better torque and horsepower matching with an electric motor vs. fossil fuel engines. That's pretty much irrelevant if the suspension has to support it. BTW, more torque, not more HP. They can still blaze away from a stoplight. |
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More Heavy Trolling by the Senile Octogenarian Nym-Shifting Ozzie Cretin!
On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:11:09 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 86-year-old senile Australian cretin's pathological trolling: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:32:01 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- "Who or What is Rod Speed? Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet." https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 12:12:11 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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On 5/21/2021 12:32 AM, Joey wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 5/20/2021 11:22 PM, Joey wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message Sorry you are so shortsighted. More mindless bull****. That's the best you can come up with? Clearly that **** is the best you can come up with. No, I can see the need for radical change in the future. When running out of oil was brought up, you countered that natural gas will replace it. NG will run out too so changing cars to it depletes it faster. There are hundreds of thousands of homes that heat and cook with NG. What do they do? When oil is gone what do we fuel airplanes with? You don't see past today. Look at the evolution of the automobile and how long it took to become safe and fuel efficient. It will take a long time for electrics to become easily fueled with recyleable batteries and a way to charge them What is your plan? What to yoy see in 40 years? |
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On 5/21/2021 12:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/20/2021 07:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Now you do mention free electricity from solar panels, that is a start. TANSTAAFL True, but not everyone can drill an oil well when the gas stations run out. |
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