"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 5/25/2021 3:50 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 21:58:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
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What if the cure is worse than the disease? What if these future
batteries
cause sufarcus poisoning? All the EVs have them. What do you do then.
Mandate
them out of existence, with no solutions.

Right, a lot of stuff to sort out. Do you do nothing? I'm sure there
will be different generations as we progress. Look, they even make
airplanes with just one wing now.


Why do you not set your sights on China? They are the worlds biggest
polluters,
they use slave labor, they will ship their (supposedly compliant) crap
over
here without restriction. That will would help your immediate issues
and allow
time to develop longer term solutions. Why not attack the problem at
it's
source?

So do nothing for us? What do we do when oil runs out? Are you really
that short sighted?

I don't have any solutions, I don't think you or anybody here has any
solution.
There are plenty of people working on it that are smarter and it's in
their
field of expertise, but the way I see it MANDATES are not one of them.

Again, later.

Right, they are working on it in a POSITITVE way but you only see
problems and don't want to try to change things. You and I cannot
change the mandates ut we can do things to make them work better for
us. Or we can just bitch about it.

You and I CAN change the mandates. The mandates are made to cater to a
specific
class of people - such as yourself - to favor for support and backing.
These
mandates have no science behind them, no freethinking other than the
present.

OK, then get it changed. Once the restrictions on ICE cars is lifted we
can forget all of this. Let me know when it happens. There is science
behind it if you look. Plenty of arguments about how EVs are no better
but that is changing. It takes time to refine things.

They will always be worse with some things like range
with decent occupant comfort and refuel times.

That isnt true with no longer wasting all that natural
gas heating houses, food and water, that is already
better done with nukes with no downsides at all.

I don't understand the logic of your posts. When you first started this
thread
you were stating that we had to act now and quoted mandates. I stated I
didn't
think mandates would work. You insisted we had to act now. I tried to
expand
that mandates are the problem and you brought the future in. I added
agriculture because that is local to me and wanted your solution to the
abolition of gasoline.

I'm not abolishing gasoline but we will run out at some point, likely 40
to 50 years from now. Meantime, lets take steps for what we know is
coming, EV vehicles, like it or not.

It isnt certain that the EV route is best, in fact its the worst.

The less we use now, the longer it will last for those combines you have.

Just as true of the nuke route.

Once the soon to be here problem is solved we can take care of the farm.
If oil use is reduced the farm problem can be delayed. It is all working
together.

Works much better with nukes.

Ed, what you espouse is an example of closed minded reasoning. I am not
being
negative; I am calling out the opposite views as I see them. For every
positive
there is a negative.

Again, what is your solution regarding China? Why not mandate they stop
polluting? Why not mandate that all travel must be by rail? Why not
mandate the
airplanes be grounded?

WTF does China have to do with us driving cars. You keep bringing a straw
man into it. We can ask but we cannot make China do anything. Lets keep on
topic.

If we used more rail we would use cars less, a good thing. I'm not
suggesting mandates for it, you are.

We don't have to mandate grounding airplanes. Lack of jet fuel will do
that in 50 years.

That timescale remains to be seen and doesnt exist with
oil synthesised with the energy from nukes anyway,

Again, my position, mandates do NOT work, business and economics will
solve the
problems you espouse.

Unfortunately, until you get those mandates changed we have to move
forward. Complaining about you cannot charge your EV when you visit your
brother is silly because that is an easily solved problem by the time
comes. Business is working on it.

When the time comes, industry will come up with farm equipment that is
either electric or mule powered but we don't have to do that yet.

It will actually grow the fuel. That works fine now.

Your position or my position on the mandates does not matter. What
matters is real life and we have to deal with it and make life as good as
possible. Let me know when you get them changed.

If you want to stop China from polluting, stop buying stuff from them. The
less they make, the less they pollute.

BTW. I do not own an electric car yet. If I had two cars, one may be. I
drove one and was quite impressed with many aspects of it, especially how
the AC worked on a sunny 90+ day.

Pity about what that does to the range.