On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:23:29 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:08:35 -0700, ****sack Moishe Goldberg
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:26:13 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:38:29 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:59:14 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
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another nothing burger dodge.

They were very nice. What did you have for lunch? Why don't you try a
nice Zyklon B sandwich.

That could conceivably be misconstrued as vaguely 'anti-semitic'®™.

Should I prepare for a targeted missile strike?

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't seem worried about such misconceptions, why
should you?

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't have abelard on his back. Self proclaimed ethical
righties are worse than ex-smokers. I swing for 'im one day. I'm tellin'
ya!

I don't know if Abe Lard has updated his website since I last looked
at it, but then it looked like it had been coloured with crayons.



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On 10/22/18 6:10 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:45:06 -0700, ****sack Moishe Goldberg
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:23:29 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:08:35 -0700, ****sack Moishe Goldberg
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:26:13 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:38:29 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:59:14 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
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another nothing burger dodge.

They were very nice. What did you have for lunch? Why don't you try a
nice Zyklon B sandwich.

That could conceivably be misconstrued as vaguely 'anti-semitic'®™.

Should I prepare for a targeted missile strike?

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't seem worried about such misconceptions, why
should you?

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't have abelard on his back. Self proclaimed ethical
righties are worse than ex-smokers. I swing for 'im one day. I'm tellin'
ya!

I don't know if Abe Lard has updated his website since I last looked
at it, but then it looked like it had been coloured with crayons.

It does my pussy brain in worse than flapping feathery and buzzing
stinging things. Can you imagine if it moved shudder



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On 23/10/2018 19:19, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:32:14 +0100, Norman Wells
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On 23/10/2018 12:29, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:11:32 +0100, Norman Wells
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On 23/10/2018 12:02, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:49:28 +0100, Norman Wells
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The point about science is that it establishes the truth. It may be
'bleeding obvious' to you that eating organic will prevent you being
sick or prematurely dead, but science, sadly, does not support you in
that belief.

Yeah, bet you said that about smoking, lead in petrol, paint .. the list
is endless.

The people who said that, many years ago incidentally, all had a vested
interest. As regards organic food, there are masses of independent
scientific studies by those with no axe to grind, none of which show any
significant advantage tastewise or healthwise of organic produce over
the equivalent conventional goods.

Show me one that studied 70,000 volunteers.

The numbers are irrelevant if the study does not include a control
group. It's unscientific, probably self-selecting, and no valid
conclusions can be drawn from it. Too many other factors are in play
that have not been eliminated.

You need to learn a bit about scientific method.

You presented no proof of the methods used in this study. You made all
that up.

There's plenty enough to be going on with in the Reuters report:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUKKCN1MW23D

If you want the full article:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2707948

You should read the limitations set out in both, because effectivley
they consign the study to the dustbin.

You haven't studied this at all Norman because you missed the real
biggie that there was correlation between this study and other studies
and incidence of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and pesticide use. Wow wee! Yes
Norman, did you deliberately miss this because it's obviously very
interesting in light of the recent case about Monsanto's Roundup and
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Why did you miss this Norman? Stay sharp Norman
because there are cats about. Your lack of attention to detail will be
exposed.

Anyway, considering this huge omission we can safely conclude that your
critique is worthless.

No because if you follow the link to the actual study at:

https://www.nature.com/articles/bjc2014148

you'll find:

"Conclusions:
In this large prospective study there was little or no decrease in the
incidence of cancer associated with consumption of organic food, except
possibly for non-Hodgkin lymphoma."

So, no proof of any reduced cancer risk at all, certainly not 25% as in
the thread heading, and only an unproven 'possibility' as regards
non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

It's not very impressive, is it?

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:19:48 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
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Wild deer, there nothing burger.,,,,KLLOL

Yum. Just had steak. Do like a venison burger though. I hope you had
your ten a day with that Bouffy.


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On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
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But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:57:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

it is mildly surprising...but there are plenty of examples like
pussy to prove it is true!

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On 10/23/18 5:06 PM, abelard wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:57:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

it is mildly surprising...but there are plenty of examples like
pussy to prove it is true!


And it is okay with him for mothers to take the lives of their children!

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:14:05 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 5:06 PM, abelard wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:57:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

it is mildly surprising...but there are plenty of examples like
pussy to prove it is true!


And it is okay with him for mothers to take the lives of their children!

Did I **** them?

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On 10/23/18 5:39 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:14:05 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 5:06 PM, abelard wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:57:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

it is mildly surprising...but there are plenty of examples like
pussy to prove it is true!


And it is okay with him for mothers to take the lives of their children!

Did I **** them?

so basically you only care about yourself?

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:41:53 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 5:39 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:14:05 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 5:06 PM, abelard wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:57:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

it is mildly surprising...but there are plenty of examples like
pussy to prove it is true!


And it is okay with him for mothers to take the lives of their children!

Did I **** them?

so basically you only care about yourself?

You guys can't make up your minds. One minute you don't want state
interference and the next you do. Which one is it?

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On 10/23/18 5:44 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:41:53 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 5:39 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:14:05 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 5:06 PM, abelard wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:57:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

it is mildly surprising...but there are plenty of examples like
pussy to prove it is true!


And it is okay with him for mothers to take the lives of their children!

Did I **** them?

so basically you only care about yourself?

You guys can't make up your minds. One minute you don't want state
interference and the next you do. Which one is it?

You are just not listening.

legitimate uses of the state a

1) protection from foreign invasion

2) regulation of the currency

3) protecting one citizen from another

Stopping parents from killing their children is a legitimate
use of the state.

Both you and Giovanni Gentile see a much greater role.

On 10/22/18 6:10 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Just out of curiosity, do yo eat farm raised fish?

On 10/23/18 3:05 AM, Norman Wells wrote:
The point about science is that it establishes the truth.Â* It may be
'bleeding obvious' to you that eating organic will prevent you being
sick or prematurely dead, but science, sadly, does not support you in
thatÂ*belief.

You are so convinced by your own rhetoric that you believe everything
thatÂ*appearsÂ*onÂ*theÂ*surfaceÂ*toÂ*confirmÂ*your Â*absurdÂ*viewsÂ*evenÂ*ifÂ*itÂ*doesn't.


Hi Norman,

Sadly, there is so much corruption and pay for results that you
can not really tell what science supports and what it does not.

What I can tell you is that I have a chemical sensitive in my
family. Pesticides on conventional produce, with certain exceptions,
makes that individual frighteningly sick. Organic, on the other hand,
does not. Again with certain exceptions, mainly unbranded
organic produce.

And, by the way, it is not the farmers that are the major culprit,
it is the packers. They ton on the chemicals. The math behind
how insects can devour a truck load of vegis is the same math
as used on an nuclear explosion.

I personally am sensitive to sulfite. The reaction is not
fit to describe in civil company, except to say that the last time
I got a hold of some produce with sulfites on it, it was one
of the worst days of my life.

So there really is something toxic on conventional produce.
But whether or not is a public hazard to most is not
easy to determine because of all the corruption involved
in studies. The number I hear kicking around is about 80%
of studies are bogus. I suspect this one is too.

So, flip a coin. Probably best to listen to the "canaries"
is our society that react to conventional produce and judge
whether you are at any long term risk yourself or not.
You are not going to get it from science due to the
corruption involved: pay for results.

Science is in a sad state of affairs on such issues.

-T

On 10/23/18 3:49 AM, Norman Wells wrote:
The people who said that, many years ago incidentally, all had a vested
interest.Â* As regards organic food, there are masses of independent
scientific studies by those with no axe to grind, none of which show any
significant advantage tastewise or healthwise of organic produce over
theÂ*equivalentÂ*conventionalÂ*goods.

That is pay for results.

For nutrition value, convention produce is better than
production organic produce as organic production produce
has to be picked much greener. Also, production
organic produce does not really take great care of their
soil. Better than conventional, but not a lot. Often
production organic is grown on deplete soil.

On the other hand, honest tests were not done on locally
grown organic where produce is allowed to ripen properly
and the soil is also nurtured properly. Believe it
or not, soil is alive.

It all depends on who pays for the study. Enough money
and you can make that study say anything you want.

What I will say is that home grown organic and locally
grown organic tastes a hell of a lot better than conventional
production produce. And my theory is that people don't
eat their vegies because they taste like crap.

Think of all the pay for results studies on red meat
where they do not differentiate an oscar meyer hot dog
from organic grass fed beef. You could as easily say
all the health problems in these studies were caused
by hamburger bums.

On 10/23/18 4:11 AM, Norman Wells wrote:
YouÂ*needÂ*toÂ*learnÂ*aÂ*bitÂ*aboutÂ*scientificÂ*m ethod.

Love the scientific method. Sadly, pay for results
buries it.

On 10/23/18 1:55 PM, Norman Wells wrote:
"Conclusions:
In this large prospective study there was little or no decrease in the
incidence of cancer associated with consumption of organic food, except
possiblyÂ*forÂ*non-HodgkinÂ*lymphoma."

Do you remember a study that come out years ago that B vitamins
help the survival rate of bypass patients? Then another "scientific
study" came out a few years later that refuted it? Yup, used 1/20
the dosage of B vitamins that the original study used.

The corruption is science these days is something to behold.

Apply enough money and you can get science to say anything you want.

T posted

What I can tell you is that I have a chemical sensitive in my
family. Pesticides on conventional produce, with certain exceptions,
makes that individual frighteningly sick. Organic, on the other hand,
does not. Again with certain exceptions, mainly unbranded
organic produce.

And, by the way, it is not the farmers that are the major culprit,
it is the packers. They ton on the chemicals. The math behind
how insects can devour a truck load of vegis is the same math
as used on an nuclear explosion.

I personally am sensitive to sulfite. The reaction is not
fit to describe in civil company, except to say that the last time
I got a hold of some produce with sulfites on it, it was one
of the worst days of my life.

So there really is something toxic on conventional produce.

Is this not relatively easily fixed by washing fruit and vegetables
before eating them, as you are supposed to do?

But whether or not is a public hazard to most is not
easy to determine because of all the corruption involved
in studies. The number I hear kicking around is about 80%
of studies are bogus. I suspect this one is too.

Perhaps that number came from a bogus study.


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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:14:15 +0100, Handsome Jack
wrote:

T posted

What I can tell you is that I have a chemical sensitive in my
family. Pesticides on conventional produce, with certain exceptions,
makes that individual frighteningly sick. Organic, on the other hand,
does not. Again with certain exceptions, mainly unbranded
organic produce.

And, by the way, it is not the farmers that are the major culprit,
it is the packers. They ton on the chemicals. The math behind
how insects can devour a truck load of vegis is the same math
as used on an nuclear explosion.

I personally am sensitive to sulfite. The reaction is not
fit to describe in civil company, except to say that the last time
I got a hold of some produce with sulfites on it, it was one
of the worst days of my life.

So there really is something toxic on conventional produce.

Is this not relatively easily fixed by washing fruit and vegetables
before eating them, as you are supposed to do?

But whether or not is a public hazard to most is not
easy to determine because of all the corruption involved
in studies. The number I hear kicking around is about 80%
of studies are bogus. I suspect this one is too.

Perhaps that number came from a bogus study.

and most of the rest are repeats of decades old 'results'
...often wrong 'results'

but promotion is by publication and by phd 'studies'


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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:46:02 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
wrote:

facts ran the pooboi off once again, even though he
posted to others after this posting.

I'm looking for content not sound bites. That takes time which frankly
is wasted bothering to post my results here. I have already delved far
deeper than the usual suspects here who offer their worthless opinion or
require someone else to carry the water and ask stupid questions they
could research themselves. You know who you are T. T then incredibly
calls the validity of the research into question after asking who funded
it and clearly failed to even look himself.

So far I've been told I should worry far more about socialism and its
propensity to kill and been met with the usual nonsense from our
resident 'scientist'.

Such is the wealth and breath of talent in the naysayers mob.

It's like casting pearls before swine.


LOL


"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
: On 23/10/2018 19:19, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:32:14 +0100, Norman Wells
: wrote:
:
: On 23/10/2018 12:29, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:11:32 +0100, Norman Wells
: wrote:
:
: On 23/10/2018 12:02, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:49:28 +0100, Norman Wells
: wrote:
:
: The point about science is that it establishes the truth. It may
be
: 'bleeding obvious' to you that eating organic will prevent you
being
: sick or prematurely dead, but science, sadly, does not support
you in
: that belief.
:
: Yeah, bet you said that about smoking, lead in petrol, paint ..
the list
: is endless.
:
: The people who said that, many years ago incidentally, all had a
vested
: interest. As regards organic food, there are masses of independent
: scientific studies by those with no axe to grind, none of which
show any
: significant advantage tastewise or healthwise of organic produce
over
: the equivalent conventional goods.
:
: Show me one that studied 70,000 volunteers.
:
: The numbers are irrelevant if the study does not include a control
: group. It's unscientific, probably self-selecting, and no valid
: conclusions can be drawn from it. Too many other factors are in play
: that have not been eliminated.
:
: You need to learn a bit about scientific method.
:
: You presented no proof of the methods used in this study. You made all
: that up.
:
: There's plenty enough to be going on with in the Reuters report:
:
:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUKKCN1MW23D
:
: If you want the full article:
:
:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2707948
:
: You should read the limitations set out in both, because effectivley
: they consign the study to the dustbin.
:
: You haven't studied this at all Norman because you missed the real
: biggie that there was correlation between this study and other studies
: and incidence of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and pesticide use. Wow wee! Yes
: Norman, did you deliberately miss this because it's obviously very
: interesting in light of the recent case about Monsanto's Roundup and
: non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Why did you miss this Norman? Stay sharp Norman
: because there are cats about. Your lack of attention to detail will be
: exposed.
:
: Anyway, considering this huge omission we can safely conclude that your
: critique is worthless.
:
: No because if you follow the link to the actual study at:
:
: https://www.nature.com/articles/bjc2014148
:
: you'll find:
:
: "Conclusions:
: In this large prospective study there was little or no decrease in the
: incidence of cancer associated with consumption of organic food, except
: possibly for non-Hodgkin lymphoma."
:
: So, no proof of any reduced cancer risk at all, certainly not 25% as in
: the thread heading, and only an unproven 'possibility' as regards
: non-Hodgkin lymphoma.
:
: It's not very impressive, is it?


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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:33:09 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:46:02 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
wrote:

facts ran the pooboi off once again, even though he
posted to others after this posting.

I'm looking for content not sound bites. That takes time which frankly
is wasted bothering to post my results here. I have already delved far
deeper than the usual suspects here who offer their worthless opinion or
require someone else to carry the water and ask stupid questions they
could research themselves. You know who you are T. T then incredibly
calls the validity of the research into question after asking who funded
it and clearly failed to even look himself.

So far I've been told I should worry far more about socialism and its
propensity to kill and been met with the usual nonsense from our
resident 'scientist'.

Such is the wealth and breath of talent in the naysayers mob.

It's like casting pearls before swine.


and how many pearls are you offering? and what does
a smelly cat know about swine?

i won't comment on the rest of your post as i didn't understand
and of it!

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:49:10 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:33:09 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:46:02 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
wrote:

facts ran the pooboi off once again, even though he
posted to others after this posting.

I'm looking for content not sound bites. That takes time which frankly
is wasted bothering to post my results here. I have already delved far
deeper than the usual suspects here who offer their worthless opinion or
require someone else to carry the water and ask stupid questions they
could research themselves. You know who you are T. T then incredibly
calls the validity of the research into question after asking who funded
it and clearly failed to even look himself.

So far I've been told I should worry far more about socialism and its
propensity to kill and been met with the usual nonsense from our
resident 'scientist'.

Such is the wealth and breath of talent in the naysayers mob.

It's like casting pearls before swine.


and how many pearls are you offering? and what does
a smelly cat know about swine?

i won't comment on the rest of your post as i didn't understand
and of it!

Lay off the wild mushrooms unless you know what you are doing.

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:56:17 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:49:10 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:33:09 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:46:02 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
wrote:

facts ran the pooboi off once again, even though he
posted to others after this posting.

I'm looking for content not sound bites. That takes time which frankly
is wasted bothering to post my results here. I have already delved far
deeper than the usual suspects here who offer their worthless opinion or
require someone else to carry the water and ask stupid questions they
could research themselves. You know who you are T. T then incredibly
calls the validity of the research into question after asking who funded
it and clearly failed to even look himself.

So far I've been told I should worry far more about socialism and its
propensity to kill and been met with the usual nonsense from our
resident 'scientist'.

Such is the wealth and breath of talent in the naysayers mob.

It's like casting pearls before swine.


and how many pearls are you offering? and what does
a smelly cat know about swine?

i won't comment on the rest of your post as i didn't understand
and of it!

Lay off the wild mushrooms unless you know what you are doing.

surely wild mushrooms are 'organic' and therefore being
promoted by the very same you who is now trying
to corner the market

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 14:05:40 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:56:17 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:49:10 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:33:09 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:46:02 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
wrote:

facts ran the pooboi off once again, even though he
posted to others after this posting.

I'm looking for content not sound bites. That takes time which frankly
is wasted bothering to post my results here. I have already delved far
deeper than the usual suspects here who offer their worthless opinion or
require someone else to carry the water and ask stupid questions they
could research themselves. You know who you are T. T then incredibly
calls the validity of the research into question after asking who funded
it and clearly failed to even look himself.

So far I've been told I should worry far more about socialism and its
propensity to kill and been met with the usual nonsense from our
resident 'scientist'.

Such is the wealth and breath of talent in the naysayers mob.

It's like casting pearls before swine.


and how many pearls are you offering? and what does
a smelly cat know about swine?

i won't comment on the rest of your post as i didn't understand
and of it!

Lay off the wild mushrooms unless you know what you are doing.

surely wild mushrooms are 'organic' and therefore being
promoted by the very same you who is now trying
to corner the market

Some are very tasty. I eat some.

The Vikings were very keen on the one's that look like Mario Kart. Be
very careful if you feel the need to suck one of those.

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On 10/24/18 2:02 AM, abelard wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:14:15 +0100, Handsome Jack
wrote:

T posted

What I can tell you is that I have a chemical sensitive in my
family. Pesticides on conventional produce, with certain exceptions,
makes that individual frighteningly sick. Organic, on the other hand,
does not. Again with certain exceptions, mainly unbranded
organic produce.

And, by the way, it is not the farmers that are the major culprit,
it is the packers. They ton on the chemicals. The math behind
how insects can devour a truck load of vegis is the same math
as used on an nuclear explosion.

I personally am sensitive to sulfite. The reaction is not
fit to describe in civil company, except to say that the last time
I got a hold of some produce with sulfites on it, it was one
of the worst days of my life.

So there really is something toxic on conventional produce.

Is this not relatively easily fixed by washing fruit and vegetables
before eating them, as you are supposed to do?

But whether or not is a public hazard to most is not
easy to determine because of all the corruption involved
in studies. The number I hear kicking around is about 80%
of studies are bogus. I suspect this one is too.

Perhaps that number came from a bogus study.

and most of the rest are repeats of decades old 'results'
...often wrong 'results'

but promotion is by publication and by phd 'studies'



Did the study come from the UK?

On the Asian Drama the wife and I love to watch, they say
"studies out of the UK and statements out of North Korea
are not to be believed". I think it is a playful poke in the
UK's eye, but it makes me chuckle anyway.

On 10/24/18 12:14 AM, Handsome Jack wrote:
SoÂ*thereÂ*reallyÂ*isÂ*somethingÂ*toxicÂ*onÂ*conve ntionalÂ*produce.

Is this not relatively easily fixed by washing fruit and vegetables
beforeÂ*eatingÂ*them,Â*asÂ*youÂ*areÂ*supposedÂ*to *do?

True. Systemic pesticides don't wash off.

You can always buy locally grown organic or branded organic.
We have found that unbranded organic often cheat.

On 10/24/18 5:33 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
Some are very tasty. I eat some.

I though you smoked banana peals over in the UK. I could
be wrong ...

On 23/10/2018 21:55, Norman Wells wrote:

So, no proof of any reduced cancer risk at all, certainly not 25% as in
the thread heading, and only an unproven 'possibility' as regards
non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

It's not very impressive, is it?

The premise is absurd. It's possible that a well known pesticide is
causing cancer, but that would be a reason to find out which one and ban
it. It wouldn't be a reason to throw away the entire food industry!


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