"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
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Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
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On 23/10/2018 02:10, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

*All* fruit & vegetables are carbon-based, therefore organic!



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On 23/10/2018 02:10, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
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*All* fruit & vegetables are carbon-based, therefore organic!

That stuff you bury you head in is silica based.

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On 23/10/2018 02:10, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

No reference = no argument.

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:45:32 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

On 23/10/2018 02:10, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

No reference = no argument.

This is where I read it but it's all over the press. The Sun covers it
complete with reference to boffins who I think are clever people but
then science is akin to magic to we the great unwashed.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ncer-gpdbl82sp

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On 10/23/18 12:59 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:45:32 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

On 23/10/2018 02:10, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

No reference = no argument.

This is where I read it but it's all over the press. The Sun covers it
complete with reference to boffins who I think are clever people but
then science is akin to magic to we the great unwashed.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ncer-gpdbl82sp

Any idea who paid for the study?

"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" posted

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...r/organic-food
s-tied-to-slightly-lower-cancer-risk-idUKKCN1MW23D

The study doesn't show anything at all, and least of all that people who
eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer. Not even the
researchers claim anything of the kind.

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:49:00 +0100, Handsome Jack
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"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" posted

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...r/organic-food
s-tied-to-slightly-lower-cancer-risk-idUKKCN1MW23D

The study doesn't show anything at all, and least of all that people who
eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer. Not even the
researchers claim anything of the kind.

Scrimpers die young and horribly.

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On 23/10/2018 08:49, Handsome Jack wrote:
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" posted

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...r/organic-food
s-tied-to-slightly-lower-cancer-risk-idUKKCN1MW23D

The study doesn't show anything at all, and least of all that people who
eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer. Not even the
researchers claim anything of the kind.

Exactly.

It might have been a bit more honest had the first line of the Reuters
report been accurately quoted:

"People who eat more organic foods may be slightly less likely to
develop certain cancers, a French study suggests."

And if all the hedging and provisos had been indicated too. Like:

"researchers dont have a clear picture of whether organic foods free of
these chemicals can help lower the risk of cancer"

and

"people who ate the most organic foods were more likely to be married,
have higher income and education levels, consume less red and processed
meat, and drink less alcohol".

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
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But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:00:44 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
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But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

if your lot stopped wandering across roads without
paying attention you'd live longer on average

instead of relying on your socialist myths about 9 lives


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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:00:44 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

if your lot stopped wandering across roads without
paying attention you'd live longer on average

instead of relying on your socialist myths about 9 lives

If you didn't have a vegetable path we wouldn't have any reason to cross
the road.

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On 23/10/2018 10:00, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

The point about science is that it establishes the truth. It may be
'bleeding obvious' to you that eating organic will prevent you being
sick or prematurely dead, but science, sadly, does not support you in
that belief.

You are so convinced by your own rhetoric that you believe everything
that appears on the surface to confirm your absurd views even if it doesn't.

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:05:52 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

On 23/10/2018 10:00, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

The point about science is that it establishes the truth. It may be
'bleeding obvious' to you that eating organic will prevent you being
sick or prematurely dead, but science, sadly, does not support you in
that belief.

Yeah, bet you said that about smoking, lead in petrol, paint .. the list
is endless.

You are so convinced by your own rhetoric that you believe everything
that appears on the surface to confirm your absurd views even if it doesn't.

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On 23 Oct 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article ):

On 23/10/2018 10:00, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

The point about science is that it establishes the truth.

Only under one condition - and that is if the science is unbiased.

Science funded by multinational corporate businesses with profit as their
priority from skewed scientific results is bogus science.

They can channel the funding through as many offshore shell companies as they
like, but it is still bogus science.

It may be
'bleeding obvious' to you that eating organic will prevent you being
sick or prematurely dead, but science, sadly, does not support you in
that belief.

You mean bogus science.

Unbiased scientists who tend to come to an inconvenient conclusion (aka the
truth) are ridiculed and humiliated by an expensive and high pressure media
campaign, until they quit the job and take early retirement.



You are so convinced by your own rhetoric that you believe everything
that appears on the surface to confirm your absurd views even if it doesn't.

I would consider that an improvement on being duped by the power of money.

On 10/23/18 3:05 AM, Norman Wells wrote:
The point about science is that it establishes the truth.Â* It may be
'bleeding obvious' to you that eating organic will prevent you being
sick or prematurely dead, but science, sadly, does not support you in
thatÂ*belief.

You are so convinced by your own rhetoric that you believe everything
thatÂ*appearsÂ*onÂ*theÂ*surfaceÂ*toÂ*confirmÂ*your Â*absurdÂ*viewsÂ*evenÂ*ifÂ*itÂ*doesn't.


Hi Norman,

Sadly, there is so much corruption and pay for results that you
can not really tell what science supports and what it does not.

What I can tell you is that I have a chemical sensitive in my
family. Pesticides on conventional produce, with certain exceptions,
makes that individual frighteningly sick. Organic, on the other hand,
does not. Again with certain exceptions, mainly unbranded
organic produce.

And, by the way, it is not the farmers that are the major culprit,
it is the packers. They ton on the chemicals. The math behind
how insects can devour a truck load of vegis is the same math
as used on an nuclear explosion.

I personally am sensitive to sulfite. The reaction is not
fit to describe in civil company, except to say that the last time
I got a hold of some produce with sulfites on it, it was one
of the worst days of my life.

So there really is something toxic on conventional produce.
But whether or not is a public hazard to most is not
easy to determine because of all the corruption involved
in studies. The number I hear kicking around is about 80%
of studies are bogus. I suspect this one is too.

So, flip a coin. Probably best to listen to the "canaries"
is our society that react to conventional produce and judge
whether you are at any long term risk yourself or not.
You are not going to get it from science due to the
corruption involved: pay for results.

Science is in a sad state of affairs on such issues.

-T

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:57:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 10/23/18 2:00 AM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:12:46 +0100, Norman Wells
wrote:

But what can you expect from those who delude themselves and suffer from
untreated confirmation bias?

Dunno, you tell me.

History is littered with the sick and premature dead who suffered as a
direct result of ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Speaking of the "ignoring the bleeding obvious", Socialism took
over 200 million souls in the last century. And you worry about
pesticide in your food? Wow!

it is mildly surprising...but there are plenty of examples like
pussy to prove it is true!

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On 23 Oct 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article ):

On 23/10/2018 08:49, Handsome Jack wrote:
"p-0''0-h the cat posted

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...r/organic-food
s-tied-to-slightly-lower-cancer-risk-idUKKCN1MW23D

The study doesn't show anything at all, and least of all that people who
eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer. Not even the
researchers claim anything of the kind.

Exactly.

It might have been a bit more honest had the first line of the Reuters
report been accurately quoted:

"People who eat more organic foods may be slightly less likely to
develop certain cancers, a French study suggests."

And if all the hedging and provisos had been indicated too. Like:

"researchers dont have a clear picture of whether organic foods free of
these chemicals can help lower the risk of cancer"

and

"people who ate the most organic foods were more likely to be married,
have higher income and education levels, consume less red and processed
meat, and drink less alcohol".

And you dont come under any of those categories?

Never mind.... Better luck next time.

Oh! wait.......

On 23/10/2018 10:10, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
On 23 Oct 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article ):

On 23/10/2018 08:49, Handsome Jack wrote:
"p-0''0-h the cat posted

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...r/organic-food
s-tied-to-slightly-lower-cancer-risk-idUKKCN1MW23D

The study doesn't show anything at all, and least of all that people who
eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer. Not even the
researchers claim anything of the kind.

Exactly.

It might have been a bit more honest had the first line of the Reuters
report been accurately quoted:

"People who eat more organic foods may be slightly less likely to
develop certain cancers, a French study suggests."

And if all the hedging and provisos had been indicated too. Like:

"researchers dont have a clear picture of whether organic foods free of
these chemicals can help lower the risk of cancer"

and

"people who ate the most organic foods were more likely to be married,
have higher income and education levels, consume less red and processed
meat, and drink less alcohol".

And you dont come under any of those categories?

Never mind.... Better luck next time.

You don't seem to realise that the point of that statement is that those
factors are already associated with a reduced risk of cancer and that
eating organic food has not itself been shown to reduce the risk.

In scientific terms, there is no control group in the trial.

On 23 Oct 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article ):

On 23/10/2018 10:10, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
On 23 Oct 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article ):

On 23/10/2018 08:49, Handsome Jack wrote:
"p-0''0-h the cat posted

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...r/organic-food
s-tied-to-slightly-lower-cancer-risk-idUKKCN1MW23D

The study doesn't show anything at all, and least of all that people who
eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer. Not even the
researchers claim anything of the kind.

Exactly.

It might have been a bit more honest had the first line of the Reuters
report been accurately quoted:

"People who eat more organic foods may be slightly less likely to
develop certain cancers, a French study suggests."

And if all the hedging and provisos had been indicated too. Like:

"researchers dont have a clear picture of whether organic foods free of
these chemicals can help lower the risk of cancer"

and

"people who ate the most organic foods were more likely to be married,
have higher income and education levels, consume less red and processed
meat, and drink less alcohol".

And you dont come under any of those categories?

Never mind.... Better luck next time.

You don't seem to realise that the point of that statement is that those
factors are already associated with a reduced risk of cancer and that
eating organic food has not itself been shown to reduce the risk.

In scientific terms, there is no control group in the trial.

Oooops, potential drop in perceived class status narrowly avoided.

On 10/22/2018 09:10 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

Back in the '60s, BigTobacco had paid professional liars in white lab
coats testifying that smoking was good for us.

Today, BigAgChem has paid professional liars in white lab coats
testifying their patented GMO seeds and toxic farm chemicals are good
for us.

(We might have a BigAgChem shill right here in alt.home.repair)

Hopefully, the recent ruling against Monsanto is only the beginning.

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 02:10:06 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:


"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

In Thatcher's day fish fingers were made of cardboard. Since
your government is now Conservative, I wouldn't be at all surprised if
the "organic" food you import from Brazil is laced with
organochlorides. Which are now legal here, thanks to the
ruralist-backed right wing coup.

The right-wing name for the process is "self-regulation".
Ask Abetard or IQ = /dev/null.
It's a GOOD thing.
[]'s

Who says Brazil can't invent things ? Hitler was a pussy
compared to our Bolsonaro.

Disclaimer: No real pussies were used in the comparison.
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On 10/22/18 6:10 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Cue Norman

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let's hope burpford isn't eating organic

On 10/22/18 6:10 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:

"People who eat organic food are 25 per cent less likely to get cancer,
according to a study of almost 70,000 volunteers.

Researchers say that pesticides in conventional fruit and vegetables can
cause cancer, suggesting that going organic helps to prevent the
disease."

Just out of curiosity, do yo eat farm raised fish?