On 06/03/2017 01:10 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:51, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:12 AM, Bod wrote:

I see people eat stuff in front of me all the time that
would do serious damage to me.

You have my sympathy, but is your god punishing you or something?

No, it is just nature.

Strange that I don't believe, yet it's you who has been afflicted.
Ooh I know your answer, "god works in mysterious ways".

He is more concerned about my soul than my body.
But he has provided. I am drug free now for
several years. Glory be to God!

He is active in my life. I have to trust him.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways
acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

--proverbs 3:5-6

Once I was turned down for a job I thought I was perfect for.
I was hired and the next day fired. I did not understand for
years why. When I finally knew the reason, oh boy did
he protect me!


You say "I am drug free now for
several years. Glory be to God!"
So you changed your eating habits and lifestyle using common sense or
did your god do it?

It was painstaking research which was blessed by God.
Jesus is was not called Teacher for no reason.

Because with type 2 diabetes, all it takes is some
sensible advice from a doctor

The ER doctor was the only one who gave me
accurate and good advice.

The advice my GP gave me was TOTAL RUBBISH.

Do not trust GP's with T2 Diabetes. The CONFLICT
OF INTEREST is prodigious. They want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".

and common sense to get rid of it.

"Common sense" would to have follow my GP's advice.
I would have committed suicide on the installment
program. First my feet would have fallen off,
them my eyes would have went, then my kidneys, then
my heart. Without God teaching and guidance, I
would have died.

Give up yet?

On 06/03/2017 01:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 09:08, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:44, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:05 AM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 20:27, T wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:18 PM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 19:43, T wrote:

So apparently, there is a limit to God's forgiveness
and patience. I hope I don't find it. And only
God knows your heart.

Yeah sure.

How does playing golf for eternity sound?

You have to be bribed ?

That explains a lot!

What does?

Your secret is safe with me. :-)

You talk in mysterious ways, have you been chatting to god or something?

Chuckle. Give up yet?

Be patient, your turn will come.


Diabetes or death? The only certainty out of those two is death.
We all will get that. There is also no history of Diabetes in my
family.


That doesn't matter any more. T2 is an injury: carbohydrate
poisoning

I have always had massive amounts of sugar/ salt/ fats etc. Please
explain why I have never had diabetes?

I already did in a prior question from you.

https://www.thoughtco.com/introducti...-curve-3126337

Only 1 in 11 of us get it.

Give up yet?


Again I ask...give up what? If you mean talking about common sense,
then no.

On 06/03/2017 01:44 AM, Bod wrote:

Be patient, your turn will come.


Diabetes or death? The only certainty out of those two is death.
We all will get that. There is also no history of Diabetes in my
family.


That doesn't matter any more. T2 is an injury: carbohydrate
poisoning

I have always had massive amounts of sugar/ salt/ fats etc. Please
explain why I have never had diabetes?

I already did in a prior question from you.

https://www.thoughtco.com/introducti...-curve-3126337

Only 1 in 11 of us get it.

Give up yet?


Again I ask...give up what? If you mean talking about common sense,
then no.

Your anti God fantasy. You keep asking me things
about my religious beliefs to try and prove you are
right about there being no god. At some point you
will have to give up.

On 03/06/2017 09:38, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:10 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:51, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:12 AM, Bod wrote:

I see people eat stuff in front of me all the time that
would do serious damage to me.

You have my sympathy, but is your god punishing you or something?

No, it is just nature.

Strange that I don't believe, yet it's you who has been afflicted.
Ooh I know your answer, "god works in mysterious ways".

He is more concerned about my soul than my body.
But he has provided. I am drug free now for
several years. Glory be to God!

He is active in my life. I have to trust him.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways
acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

--proverbs 3:5-6

Once I was turned down for a job I thought I was perfect for.
I was hired and the next day fired. I did not understand for
years why. When I finally knew the reason, oh boy did
he protect me!


You say "I am drug free now for
several years. Glory be to God!"
So you changed your eating habits and lifestyle using common sense or
did your god do it?

It was painstaking research which was blessed by God.
Jesus is was not called Teacher for no reason.

Because with type 2 diabetes, all it takes is some sensible advice
from a doctor

The ER doctor was the only one who gave me
accurate and good advice.

The advice my GP gave me was TOTAL RUBBISH.

Do not trust GP's with T2 Diabetes. The CONFLICT
OF INTEREST is prodigious. They want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".

and common sense to get rid of it.

"Common sense" would to have follow my GP's advice.
I would have committed suicide on the installment
program. First my feet would have fallen off,
them my eyes would have went, then my kidneys, then
my heart. Without God teaching and guidance, I
would have died.

Give up yet?

So your doctors "want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".
Maybe that's because you have to pay your doctors personally each time
you visit them.
We don't get billed for being treated from doctors or hospital
treatment. We all pay a small contribution out of our wages per month
and that covers every treatment, large or small.

On 03/06/2017 09:39, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 09:08, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:44, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:05 AM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 20:27, T wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:18 PM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 19:43, T wrote:

So apparently, there is a limit to God's forgiveness
and patience. I hope I don't find it. And only
God knows your heart.

Yeah sure.

How does playing golf for eternity sound?

You have to be bribed ?

That explains a lot!

What does?

Your secret is safe with me. :-)

You talk in mysterious ways, have you been chatting to god or something?

Chuckle. Give up yet?

Do you treat this discussion as a competition then?

On 06/03/2017 01:51 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 09:38, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:10 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:51, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:12 AM, Bod wrote:

I see people eat stuff in front of me all the time that
would do serious damage to me.

You have my sympathy, but is your god punishing you or something?

No, it is just nature.

Strange that I don't believe, yet it's you who has been afflicted.
Ooh I know your answer, "god works in mysterious ways".

He is more concerned about my soul than my body.
But he has provided. I am drug free now for
several years. Glory be to God!

He is active in my life. I have to trust him.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways
acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

--proverbs 3:5-6

Once I was turned down for a job I thought I was perfect for.
I was hired and the next day fired. I did not understand for
years why. When I finally knew the reason, oh boy did
he protect me!


You say "I am drug free now for
several years. Glory be to God!"
So you changed your eating habits and lifestyle using common sense or
did your god do it?

It was painstaking research which was blessed by God.
Jesus is was not called Teacher for no reason.

Because with type 2 diabetes, all it takes is some sensible advice
from a doctor

The ER doctor was the only one who gave me
accurate and good advice.

The advice my GP gave me was TOTAL RUBBISH.

Do not trust GP's with T2 Diabetes. The CONFLICT
OF INTEREST is prodigious. They want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".

and common sense to get rid of it.

"Common sense" would to have follow my GP's advice.
I would have committed suicide on the installment
program. First my feet would have fallen off,
them my eyes would have went, then my kidneys, then
my heart. Without God teaching and guidance, I
would have died.

Give up yet?

So your doctors "want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".
Maybe that's because you have to pay your doctors personally each time
you visit them.
We don't get billed for being treated from doctors or hospital
treatment. We all pay a small contribution out of our wages per month
and that covers every treatment, large or small.

Uhh yeah.

My favorite radio station is Classic FM from your country.
My only complain is that they talk too much. Meaning,
I get to listen to the news from your country. Every
week there is one scandal or another. The elderly
get hit the hardest. If your news is to be believed,
your medical system sucks.

I love the ads for private insurance on Classic FM.

As far as paying doctors, Allopaths in this country
are usually paid by insurance, which is why they
are a good four times as expensive as they should
be, as someone else is paying the bill.

Naturopaths are typically paid by the customer.
When it comes to T2 (and a lot of other things),
their advice in far better than Allopaths.

On 06/03/2017 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Chuckle. Give up yet?

Do you treat this discussion as a competition then?

I don't think it started out that way, but I think
it has devolved into to you trying to prove to me
that God does not exist.

And you can't win this one. You might as well give up.
I will still answer any legitimate questions you have.

So your doctors "want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".
Maybe that's because you have to pay your doctors personally each time
you visit them.
We don't get billed for being treated from doctors or hospital
treatment. We all pay a small contribution out of our wages per month
and that covers every treatment, large or small.

Uhh yeah.

My favorite radio station is Classic FM from your country.
My only complain is that they talk too much. Meaning,
I get to listen to the news from your country. Every
week there is one scandal or another. The elderly
get hit the hardest. If your news is to be believed,
your medical system sucks.

I love the ads for private insurance on Classic FM.

As far as paying doctors, Allopaths in this country
are usually paid by insurance, which is why they
are a good four times as expensive as they should
be, as someone else is paying the bill.

Naturopaths are typically paid by the customer.
When it comes to T2 (and a lot of other things),
their advice in far better than Allopaths.

I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

On 03/06/2017 10:06, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Chuckle. Give up yet?

Do you treat this discussion as a competition then?

I don't think it started out that way, but I think
it has devolved into to you trying to prove to me
that God does not exist.

And you can't win this one. You might as well give up.
I will still answer any legitimate questions you have.

I treat this as a discussion, not a contest, but I admire your patience :-)

On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

But my largest complain is that they talk too much.

Some of your commercials are hysterical. I especially
love the ones for the travel agency "want to get away?"

On 06/03/2017 02:18 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 10:06, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Chuckle. Give up yet?

Do you treat this discussion as a competition then?

I don't think it started out that way, but I think
it has devolved into to you trying to prove to me
that God does not exist.

And you can't win this one. You might as well give up.
I will still answer any legitimate questions you have.

I treat this as a discussion, not a contest, but I admire your patience :-)

No problem.

I probably won't be able to write back again till Tuesday.

On 06/03/2017 02:31 AM, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a
quality radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

But my largest complain is that they talk too much.

Some of your commercials are hysterical. I especially
love the ones for the travel agency "want to get away?"

Although once they got me with Elgar's God Save the Queen.
I thought it was catchy. Well until that fateful God
Save The ...

It still gives me the shakes. Okay, maybe not.

On 03/06/2017 10:31, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a
quality radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

But my largest complain is that they talk too much.

Some of your commercials are hysterical. I especially
love the ones for the travel agency "want to get away?"

Hmm, isn't getting away what travel agents offer?

On 03/06/2017 10:32, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:18 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 10:06, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Chuckle. Give up yet?

Do you treat this discussion as a competition then?

I don't think it started out that way, but I think
it has devolved into to you trying to prove to me
that God does not exist.

And you can't win this one. You might as well give up.
I will still answer any legitimate questions you have.

I treat this as a discussion, not a contest, but I admire your
patience :-)

No problem.

I probably won't be able to write back again till Tuesday.



Going to prison? ;-)

On 06/03/2017 04:51 AM, Bod wrote:
?
So your doctors "want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".
Maybe that's because you have to pay your doctors personally each time
you visit them.
We don't get billed for being treated from doctors or hospital
treatment. We all pay a small contribution out of our wages per month
and that covers every treatment, large or small.


Then why is your country the fattest in Europe? You do know that
obesity is a symptom of poor health, right?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-obesity-study

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 12:18:09 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/02/2017 01:59 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"T" wrote in message news
Here is something that we hold to, that you do not

You shall do no murder, you shall not commit adultery, you
shall not corrupt boys, you shall not commit fornication,
you shall not steal, you shall not deal in magic, you shall
do no sorcery, you shall not murder a child by abortion
nor kill them when born, you shall not covet your neighbor's
goods, you shall not perjure yourself, you shall not bear
false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall not
cherish a grudge, you shall not be double-minded nor
double-tongued;
--Teachings of the Apostles, 2:2

Oh for crying out load, what kind of a life can we have without magic and
sorcery???


The deal with the pigs, the wine trick, raising the dead, and the self
replicating loaves and fishes isn't enough magic for you?

No evidence. Hearsay only. For ordinary historical events (let's
say, the burning of the Library of Alexandria), oral evidence is
pretty compelling. Libraries burn all the time, even nowadays.
For magic, I'm afraid the evidence would have to be considerably
stronger.

How about the Transubstantiation?

Does the Host taste of meat?

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 4:39:03 AM UTC-4, T wrote:

Do not trust GP's with T2 Diabetes. The CONFLICT
OF INTEREST is prodigious. They want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".

Not all MDs are like that. I'm confident that mine
will tell me to lay off the carbs (which I already have
done to some extent) when my blood sugar starts rising.

My mother's on Metformin and loads up her shopping cart
with ice cream and other treats. She knows she shouldn't,
but has decided that at her age she's going to eat what
she pleases.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 5:31:46 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

Funny. I barely tolerate anything written after the Baroque.

There's a solo harpsichord piece that I love; whenever I hear it,
it's like the sound of synapses firing.

Cindy Hamilton

On 06/03/2017 04:14 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:52, T wrote:


That doesn't matter any more. T2 is an injury: carbohydrate
poisoning

I have always had massive amounts of sugar/ salt/ fats etc. Please
explain why I have never had diabetes?


You're a freak?

On 03/06/2017 12:11, Portly wrote:
On 06/03/2017 04:51 AM, Bod wrote:
?
So your doctors "want "customers",
they do not want to "heal".
Maybe that's because you have to pay your doctors personally each time
you visit them.
We don't get billed for being treated from doctors or hospital
treatment. We all pay a small contribution out of our wages per month
and that covers every treatment, large or small.


Then why is your country the fattest in Europe? You do know that
obesity is a symptom of poor health, right?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-obesity-study



I don't deny that and yes it is bad, but we are just catching up with
you lot ;-

America's Obesity Epidemic Hits a New High - NBC News
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health...ew-high-n58725...
7 Jun 2016 - The U.S. obesity epidemic continues to worsen: The latest
reports show that 40 percent of U.S. women are obese, and American
teenagers are ...

On 03/06/2017 12:20, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 5:31:46 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

Funny. I barely tolerate anything written after the Baroque.

There's a solo harpsichord piece that I love; whenever I hear it,
it's like the sound of synapses firing.

Cindy Hamilton

Barber's *Adagio for strings* does it for me.

On 03/06/2017 12:48, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Sat 03 Jun 2017 04:11:18a, Portly told us...

On 06/03/2017 04:51 AM, Bod wrote:
?
So your doctors "want "customers", they do not want to "heal".
Maybe that's because you have to pay your doctors personally each
time you visit them.
We don't get billed for being treated from doctors or hospital
treatment. We all pay a small contribution out of our wages per
month and that covers every treatment, large or small.


Then why is your country the fattest in Europe? You do know that
obesity is a symptom of poor health, right?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...stern-europe-o
besity-study




Health insurance in the US is quite costly, especially if it is private
insurance. Medicare for the elderly is far more reasonable, but if you
want total coverage you must subscribe to a supplemental policy in
adition to what Medicare covers. Medicaid is only available for those
living below the poverty level. I don't know what the percentage of
obesity is in the US, but one does seem to see many very overweight
people.

America's Obesity Epidemic Hits a New High - NBC News
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health...ew-high-n58725...
7 Jun 2016 - The U.S. obesity epidemic continues to worsen: The latest
reports show that 40 percent of U.S. women are obese, and American
teenagers are ...

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 7:46:22 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 12:20, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 5:31:46 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

Funny. I barely tolerate anything written after the Baroque.

There's a solo harpsichord piece that I love; whenever I hear it,
it's like the sound of synapses firing.

Cindy Hamilton

Barber's *Adagio for strings* does it for me.

Pretty slow synapses, but everybody interprets music differently.

Cindy Hamilton

On 03/06/2017 15:12, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 7:46:22 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 12:20, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 5:31:46 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

Funny. I barely tolerate anything written after the Baroque.

There's a solo harpsichord piece that I love; whenever I hear it,
it's like the sound of synapses firing.

Cindy Hamilton

Barber's *Adagio for strings* does it for me.

Pretty slow synapses, but everybody interprets music differently.

Cindy Hamilton

Indeed, I find Adagio for strings mesmerising and very soothing. Eyes
closed and disappear somewhere into the unknown.
Ideally with a joint :-)

On 06/03/2017 12:03 AM, T wrote:
The more folks that can read the scripture, the better.

Fred Phelps? Wesley Swift? Charles Taze Russell? Joseph Smith? Aimee
McPherson? Joel Osteen? Whoever came up with the Church of God With
signs Following (the rattlesnake crew)? Cotton Mather?

People can't even read the users' manual and figure out how to reset
their clocks and you want them interpreting a complex collection of
works, some metaphorical and some very obscure, and come up with a
coherent theology?

On 06/03/2017 12:07 AM, T wrote:
On 06/02/2017 09:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/02/2017 01:59 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"T" wrote in message
news
Here is something that we hold to, that you do not

You shall do no murder, you shall not commit adultery, you
shall not corrupt boys, you shall not commit fornication,
you shall not steal, you shall not deal in magic, you shall
do no sorcery, you shall not murder a child by abortion
nor kill them when born, you shall not covet your neighbor's
goods, you shall not perjure yourself, you shall not bear
false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall not
cherish a grudge, you shall not be double-minded nor
double-tongued;
--Teachings of the Apostles, 2:2

Oh for crying out load, what kind of a life can we have without magic
and
sorcery???


The deal with the pigs, the wine trick, raising the dead, and the self
replicating loaves and fishes isn't enough magic for you? How about
the Transubstantiation?



It is not magic if it is done by God who created the universe,
unless you don't believe in god.

So invoking supernatural forces isn't magic when a supernatural being
does it? How about intervention by the saints?

You forgot raising Lazarus from the dead. The Roman historical
account said he smelled bad (decomposition).

No, i threw that in after the party trick.

On 06/03/2017 05:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
How about the Transubstantiation?
Does the Host taste of meat?


You need a course in Aristotelian philosophy as filtered through Thomas
Aquinas. The essence is changed, the accidents remain the same.

What is a chair? Assuming you have a wooden Adirondack chair where is
the chair? Is it in the accidents? If you are cold and break the chair
up and build a fire, is it still a chair or firewood? For extra points,
after it burns what is it? Was there ever a chair? What was the original
essence of a wafer of unleavened bread?

On 6/3/2017 4:06 AM, T wrote:

I don't think it started out that way, but I think
it has devolved into to you trying to prove to me
that God does not exist.

I think many atheists try to do their darndest to debate their way into
convincing a Christian that God doesn't exist.

Let them prove "love" exists by providing empirical evidence!

And you can't win this one. You might as well give up.
I will still answer any legitimate questions you have.


--
Maggie

On 06/03/2017 12:26 AM, T wrote:
It is weird to me that in some parts of Eastern Europe,
Secular Jew is another name for a Communist.

Not if you know history. Are you familiar with the Red Terror in the
Hungarian Soviet Republic? Or Marx, for that matter. Not having a
Messiah at hand, Jews tend to try to create heaven on earth, no matter
how many have to die.

Did you know there is a Jewish saint in Brazil:

Other than St. Paul, St. John, and St. Mark? iirc Luke was a gentile.
Many of the saints have interesting histories. Christianity is like a
magpie, picking up shiny trinkets as it goes along. Russell's 'The
Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity' is a good description of
what happened when a near-Eastern religion met a heathen culture. There
was considerable give and take. I don't think Christianity ever quite
mellowed out a warrior culture.

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 2:57:23 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/03/2017 05:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
How about the Transubstantiation?
Does the Host taste of meat?


You need a course in Aristotelian philosophy as filtered through Thomas
Aquinas. The essence is changed, the accidents remain the same.

What is a chair? Assuming you have a wooden Adirondack chair where is
the chair? Is it in the accidents? If you are cold and break the chair
up and build a fire, is it still a chair or firewood? For extra points,
after it burns what is it? Was there ever a chair? What was the original
essence of a wafer of unleavened bread?

Sorry, man. I live in the here and now. I sit on chairs; I don't
contemplate their essence.

After a chair burns, it's carbon and water and CO2 and stuff like that.

Cindy Hamilton

On 06/03/2017 02:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 2:57:23 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/03/2017 05:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
How about the Transubstantiation?
Does the Host taste of meat?


You need a course in Aristotelian philosophy as filtered through Thomas
Aquinas. The essence is changed, the accidents remain the same.

What is a chair? Assuming you have a wooden Adirondack chair where is
the chair? Is it in the accidents? If you are cold and break the chair
up and build a fire, is it still a chair or firewood? For extra points,
after it burns what is it? Was there ever a chair? What was the original
essence of a wafer of unleavened bread?

Sorry, man. I live in the here and now. I sit on chairs; I don't
contemplate their essence.

That's the problem with atheists -- they're boring. Keep taking those
blue pills.

rbowman writes:

On 06/03/2017 02:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 2:57:23 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/03/2017 05:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
How about the Transubstantiation?
Does the Host taste of meat?


You need a course in Aristotelian philosophy as filtered through Thomas
Aquinas. The essence is changed, the accidents remain the same.

What is a chair? Assuming you have a wooden Adirondack chair where is
the chair? Is it in the accidents? If you are cold and break the chair
up and build a fire, is it still a chair or firewood? For extra points,
after it burns what is it? Was there ever a chair? What was the original
essence of a wafer of unleavened bread?

Sorry, man. I live in the here and now. I sit on chairs; I don't
contemplate their essence.

That's the problem with atheists -- they're boring. Keep taking those
blue pills.

Blue pills? Did I miss something in my youth?
Oh, I see a Matrix reference:

Someone who chooses to remain ignorant in order to be happy, much like
those who chose the blue pill in The Matrix.

Well your rambling above is just disturbing sloppy thinking.
After the chair burns we know what it is, ashes.
"Was there ever a chair?" What kind of nonsense is that.
The chair is gone, but it most certainly was a chair before it
was broken.

Aristotle, though often wrong, at least tried to use logic.
Thomas Aquinas not so much.

For example, we have this gem by TA: "reason is found in God".
A good example of sloppy thought meant to confuse.
Sort of like that nonsense about one hand clapping.
We all know one hand doesn't clap, yet some people
insist that thinking about the sound of one hand
clapping is somehow deep. It's just nonsense.

Traffic in nonsense if you must, but it doesn't make
you less boring in my eyes.

--
Dan Espen

On 06/04/2017 04:01 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
Traffic in nonsense if you must, but it doesn't make
you less boring in my eyes.

In my eyes you are merely an artifact on my computer screen.

On 06/03/2017 04:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 5:31:46 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

Funny. I barely tolerate anything written after the Baroque.

There's a solo harpsichord piece that I love; whenever I hear it,
it's like the sound of synapses firing.

Cindy Hamilton


So you prefer "Variations on a Well Tempered Sewing Machine"?

:-)

My preferences started when they turned the bows over
and could actually get some sound out of stringed instruments
without having to "saw" at them.

On 06/03/2017 02:45 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 10:32, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:18 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 10:06, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Chuckle. Give up yet?

Do you treat this discussion as a competition then?

I don't think it started out that way, but I think
it has devolved into to you trying to prove to me
that God does not exist.

And you can't win this one. You might as well give up.
I will still answer any legitimate questions you have.

I treat this as a discussion, not a contest, but I admire your
patience :-)

No problem.

I probably won't be able to write back again till Tuesday.



Going to prison? ;-)

Got to work. :'(

On 6/5/2017 8:37 PM, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:45 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 10:32, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:18 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 10:06, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Chuckle. Give up yet?

Do you treat this discussion as a competition then?

I don't think it started out that way, but I think
it has devolved into to you trying to prove to me
that God does not exist.

God is a concept to describe something intangible.
The CONCEPT exists. If it makes you feel better, believe...
If your CONCEPT of God leads you to commit acts of violence,
expect resistance...not for your beliefs...for your actions.


And you can't win this one. You might as well give up.
I will still answer any legitimate questions you have.

I treat this as a discussion, not a contest, but I admire your
patience :-)

No problem.

I probably won't be able to write back again till Tuesday.



Going to prison? ;-)

Got to work. :'(

On 06/05/2017 10:39 PM, mike wrote:
God is a concept to describe something intangible.
The CONCEPT exists. If it makes you feel better, believe...
If your CONCEPT of God leads you to commit acts of violence,
expect resistance...not for your beliefs...for your actions.

The only religoun that does harm to others is Islam.

On 06/03/2017 04:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Does the Host taste of meat?

Criminy Cindy. It is his mystical body, not his human body.

On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 04:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 5:31:46 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 02:15 AM, Bod wrote:
I also listen to Classic FM sometimes. At least you listen to a quality
radio station :-)

I love those guys. They are the only classical music
station that play what listeners request. Their top
whatever list are wonderful and I love everything on them

They only go wrong when they start with the monkey and
the organ grinder (baroque). I have written them
and complained about it. I asked them if they ever
have had any of those pieces show up on their top
lists. They reform quickly.

Funny. I barely tolerate anything written after the Baroque.

There's a solo harpsichord piece that I love; whenever I hear it,
it's like the sound of synapses firing.

Cindy Hamilton


So you prefer "Variations on a Well Tempered Sewing Machine"?

:-)


Indeed I do.

My preferences started when they turned the bows over
and could actually get some sound out of stringed instruments
without having to "saw" at them.

I prefer plucked strings to bowed strings, although fiddles are
ok as part of the backup band. I'm with George II on the subject.

Cindy Hamilton