A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:29:27 -0800, sms
wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

You got the government you voted for.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:38:13 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:29:27 -0800, sms
wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

You got the government you voted for.

Now you've done it! You've told him he and his ilk is part of the
problem. Have you no compassion?

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:38:19 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:29:27 -0800, sms
wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

You got the government you voted for.

Can you really blame it on him? Everyone makes a mistake every now and then...... Oh, yea, they put him in there twice. Š™.˜‰

[8~{} Uncle Mistaken Monster

In article ,
sms wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Your gasoline prices may have come down, but here in CA, USA, prices are
up about 30 cents on a gallon, to $3+/ gallon.

I don't know why this should be with crude down. The US has just started
shipping crude oil (of a particular type) outside the US where they
couldn't before, so a conspiracy theorist might make something of this.

CA has its own problems though since we're isolated from the national
market for part of the year.

Charles

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:30:38 -0800, Charles Bishop
wrote:

In article ,
sms wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Your gasoline prices may have come down, but here in CA, USA, prices are
up about 30 cents on a gallon, to $3+/ gallon.

I don't know why this should be with crude down. The US has just started
shipping crude oil (of a particular type) outside the US where they
couldn't before, so a conspiracy theorist might make something of this.

CA has its own problems though since we're isolated from the national
market for part of the year.

Charles

California's problems are not because of a perceived isolation from
the national market, it's because of the left wing loons that are
elected by those who are lazy and have their hand out for free stuff.

On 01/06/2016 4:30 PM, Charles Bishop wrote:
....

Your gasoline prices may have come down, but here in CA, USA, prices are
up about 30 cents on a gallon, to $3+/ gallon.

I don't know why this should be with crude down. The US has just started
shipping crude oil (of a particular type) outside the US where they
couldn't before, so a conspiracy theorist might make something of this.

CA has its own problems though since we're isolated from the national
market for part of the year.

Mostly by your own volition...changing blends mandated by CARB is the
primary reason for the spikes each season as the refiners have to make
the changeover; that takes 'em offline for a while. Higher actual
prices is a lot based on local taxes being higher than national averages
with some effect for it's just a higher COOL location and transportation.

--

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:38:13 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:29:27 -0800, sms
wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

You got the government you voted for.

What does government have to do with it? Have you given the
government credit for lowering the price of gasoline?

On 1/6/2016 4:29 PM, sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Maybe slower to react. Turn-over not as fast. You just don't drop the
price on the stuff on your shelf when new comes in, you'd lose money, I
guess.

On 01/06/2016 03:30 PM, Charles Bishop wrote:
CA has its own problems though since we're isolated from the national
market for part of the year.

CA is isolated from reality all of the year... No offense meant to you
personally.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:29:27 -0800, sms
wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Most of that is just the hype that comes up around name brands.
Yamalube is more like $8 a quart and you can get SN grade oil at the
Rural King for $1.29.
They make it sound like oil related failures even bump the needle on
why someone gets rid of a car or an outboard.
If you change it now and then and don't run out, Any API oil is as
good as the next for all practical purposes.

sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down as
crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part of
the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond to
decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6 per quart.

Propane should also come down.

Greg

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:57:12 -0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote:

sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down as
crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part of
the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond to
decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6 per quart.

Propane should also come down.

Greg

It has come down when bought in bulk, but those 20lb cylinders
(Exchange) have remained at the exact same price (when you bring an
empty tank to exchange).

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 10:48:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:29:27 -0800, sms
wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Most of that is just the hype that comes up around name brands.
Yamalube is more like $8 a quart and you can get SN grade oil at the
Rural King for $1.29.
They make it sound like oil related failures even bump the needle on
why someone gets rid of a car or an outboard.
If you change it now and then and don't run out, Any API oil is as
good as the next for all practical purposes.

I was at the BMW dealer this week. Guy was buying BMW oil at the parts
counter, $9.50 a quart. Mobil 1 at Costco, ~$5 works for me.

On 1/6/2016 2:30 PM, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article ,
sms wrote:

A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Your gasoline prices may have come down, but here in CA, USA, prices are
up about 30 cents on a gallon, to $3+/ gallon.

I am in California. Gasoline from the northern California Shell
refinery, sold by Costco, Arco, and Shell (and probably others) is as
low as $2.43 at Costco (depending on the Costco).
http://www.gasbuddy.com/Station/3366. In Sacramento, it's $2.29
http://www.gasbuddy.com/Station/958.

For some reason, southern California prices are much higher. $2.79 in
San Diego http://www.gasbuddy.com/Station/28462 and $2.69 in the L.A.
area http://www.gasbuddy.com/Station/121975.

Where are you that it is $3+?

On 1/6/2016 4:58 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/6/2016 4:29 PM, sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Maybe slower to react. Turn-over not as fast. You just don't drop the
price on the stuff on your shelf when new comes in, you'd lose money, I
guess.

Though that's how gas prices do work. Wholesale prices go up and you
raise prices on the stuff you already have in your tanks and make extra
profit, wholesale prices fall and you reduce prices on the stuff you
already have on your tank and make less profit. A friendly person at the
refinery can give you advance notice of major price changes so you can
play this to your advantage, with limited success.

On 1/8/2016 1:44 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:57:12 -0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote:

sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down as
crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part of
the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond to
decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6 per quart.

Propane should also come down.

Greg

It has come down when bought in bulk, but those 20lb cylinders
(Exchange) have remained at the exact same price (when you bring an
empty tank to exchange).

And remember, those are 20lb cylinders, but a few years back the
exchange companies started filling them to only 15 pounds.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31415330/ns/business-us_business/t/anger-fuels-suits-over-underfilled-propane-tanks/

Some Costco locations now fill propane tanks.

On 1/8/2016 8:32 AM, sms wrote:
On 1/6/2016 4:58 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/6/2016 4:29 PM, sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

Maybe slower to react. Turn-over not as fast. You just don't drop the
price on the stuff on your shelf when new comes in, you'd lose money, I
guess.

Though that's how gas prices do work. Wholesale prices go up and you
raise prices on the stuff you already have in your tanks and make extra
profit, wholesale prices fall and you reduce prices on the stuff you
already have on your tank and make less profit. A friendly person at the
refinery can give you advance notice of major price changes so you can
play this to your advantage, with limited success.

I was surprised how fast heating oil price came down. Will cut this
winter's bill in half.

Seasonal item so inventories were probably not high which allowed this.

gregz wrote:

Propane should also come down.

Ours already has. Was over $2 last spring, latest fill here was $1.59.

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

But doesn't everybody have to agree that the world, as a whole, has a
limited supply of oil ?

To reduce it to the ridiculous, let's say that the world's supply of oil
is presently a thousand times as much as all the experts say.

But even at 1,000x.... it is still limited..... and every barrel we pump
today is one less barrel that will be available tomorrow.

To me, a truly conservative position would be to economize as much as
possible on the barrels we pump today so we will have more tomorrows
where the stuff is available or, at least, not priced out of sight.

Just as the world has a limited supply of Oxygen and water. Both are just as
necessary as oil - even more so. Should we reduce our use of those as well?

Hydrocarbons are not the only world source of energy. They just happen to
provide the best combination of energy density vs. cost to use today. When the
price of hydrocarbons increase, other forms of energy will be available. That's
how markets work. You don't have to decreee or subsidize alternatives - they
happen at the right time.

Arthur Conan Doyle writes:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

But doesn't everybody have to agree that the world, as a whole, has a
limited supply of oil ?

To reduce it to the ridiculous, let's say that the world's supply of oil
is presently a thousand times as much as all the experts say.

But even at 1,000x.... it is still limited..... and every barrel we pump
today is one less barrel that will be available tomorrow.

To me, a truly conservative position would be to economize as much as
possible on the barrels we pump today so we will have more tomorrows
where the stuff is available or, at least, not priced out of sight.

Just as the world has a limited supply of Oxygen and water. Both are just as
necessary as oil - even more so. Should we reduce our use of those as well?

That must be the most egregious false analogy I've seen in a great while.
So much for your nym.

Even you should realize that Apples are not equal to Oranges.

And indeed, one should reduce the use of water, where at all possible. It
is, indeed, a limited resource and one where the underground reserves are
dwindling fast and competition for whats left is heating up. Just look at
the Colorado river, or the perrenial water disputes between Ok and Tx.

On 01/08/2016 03:44 AM, wrote:

[snip]

It has come down when bought in bulk, but those 20lb cylinders
(Exchange) have remained at the exact same price (when you bring an
empty tank to exchange).


I've gotten some filled (not exchanged) last year. It cost about the
same, but more propane. One cylinder actually had 20lb in it.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." [George Bernard Shaw]

(Scott Lurndal) wrote:

That must be the most egregious false analogy I've seen in a great while.
So much for your nym.

Even you should realize that Apples are not equal to Oranges.

Classic ad hominem response. When you can't challenge the argument, attack the
messenger.

And indeed, one should reduce the use of water, where at all possible. It
is, indeed, a limited resource and one where the underground reserves are
dwindling fast and competition for whats left is heating up. Just look at
the Colorado river, or the perrenial water disputes between Ok and Tx.

Demonstrating a lack of basic geology. Look up the water cycle. Water is not
being destroyed or used up. Certain types of water may be less accessible than
they have been in the past, but with a few small exceptions, every molecule of
water that existed a thousand years ago exists today.

Just because that water was 200' below your feet yesterday, or in a river 10
miles away from your house today doesn't mean it always has to be there.

Arthur Conan Doyle writes:
(Scott Lurndal) wrote:

And indeed, one should reduce the use of water, where at all possible. It
is, indeed, a limited resource and one where the underground reserves are
dwindling fast and competition for whats left is heating up. Just look at
the Colorado river, or the perrenial water disputes between Ok and Tx.

Demonstrating a lack of basic geology. Look up the water cycle. Water is not
being destroyed or used up. Certain types of water may be less accessible than
they have been in the past, but with a few small exceptions, every molecule of
water that existed a thousand years ago exists today.

Getting water from point A (where it is), to point B (where it is needed)
is the difficulty, of course. Pumping all the groundwater and letting
it run out to sea doesn't help anyone (and in fact, that's a significant
fraction of the change in sea level (13%)[**] over the last two decades).

In any case, unless you believe in abiogenic origination of petroleum,
it isn't like water in any way, shape or form. Once used, it won't
cycle out of the atmosphere and become petroleum again for millions of years.

And yes, a friend's well is now 200 feet deeper than it was just
a decade ago. How do you suggest that we replenish the ground water
given the number of millenia it would take for nature to replenish it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_water
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_scarcity

[**] https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...h-letters.html

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

You're buying gasoline in bulk out of the underground tanks, while the oil has to be packaged in quart containers, which takes extra labor and materials, adding costs and hence price.

Long ago, I worked as a cost accountant for a company that made paint, among other things. I was very surprised when I learned that the cost of the can was more than the cost of producing the paint inside of it.

They used to sell oil in five-quart containers, which was enough for most oil changes, and it was cheaper per quart than buying five quart cans.

Paul

(Scott Lurndal) wrote:

In any case, unless you believe in abiogenic origination of petroleum,
it isn't like water in any way, shape or form. Once used, it won't
cycle out of the atmosphere and become petroleum again for millions of years.

Excellent! That's the valid argument for a difference between hydrocarbons and
water. Hydrocarbons when used by burning or industrial process get changed into
different molecules and to return. For the most part, water does not.

Moving on to Oxygen. While Oxygen does actually get used, it does get converted
back into Oxygen by plants. So it shares a lot in common with the water cycle.
Should we preserve the rain forest and other plant environments? Within reason.

Back to using hydrocarbons - I accept that there is a finite supply on this
planet. Alarmists have been declaring that "peak oil" is here for decades. We
continue to find new sources and forms (reference fracking).

At some point, will every form of hydrocaron that exists on this planet be
exhausted? Possibly. Do we need to drastically reduce what we are using to
extend that date? No.

"Pavel314" wrote in message
...
Long ago, I worked as a cost accountant for a company that made paint,
among other things. I was very surprised when I learned that the cost of
the can was more than the cost of producing the paint inside of it.


Sometimes that is the case. I wanted a gallon of some dry cleaning fluid.
Went to the place that sold it and they asked me if I had a can and I said
no. The can was either the same as a gallon of fluid or about 50 cents more
as the whole thing was less than $ 5 at the time.

Take a look at the 5 gallon gas containers now. While they can be reused
many times, they are more than the gas that goes in them now.

Per Arthur Conan Doyle:
Just as the world has a limited supply of Oxygen and water. Both are just as
necessary as oil - even more so. Should we reduce our use of those as well?

I never thought of oxygen as being something that is consumed without
being replenished somehow - and I have never heard any credible science
reported that says anything else. Doesn't mean it's not out there...
but I have not heard anything... Has anybody else ?

But with water.....

On one hand, if my water is coming from, for instance, the Delaware
River, who cares how much I use. Worst case I'm wasting electricity
(in the water purification plants).... best case I am subsidizing the
cleanup of a major river.

OTOH, if I am a farmer draining water from an aquifer much faster than
the aquifer can replenish itself, one would think that conservation is a
good idea.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 01/08/2016 09:56 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
To me, a truly conservative position would be to economize as much as
possible on the barrels we pump today so we will have more tomorrows
where the stuff is available or, at least, not priced out of sight.

apres moi le deluge or something like that. Ed Abbey preferred to drive
big old tanks on the theory the faster the world runs out, the faster
people will do something.

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 05:34:47 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 1/8/2016 1:44 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:57:12 -0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote:

sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down as
crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part of
the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond to
decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6 per quart.

Propane should also come down.

Greg

It has come down when bought in bulk, but those 20lb cylinders
(Exchange) have remained at the exact same price (when you bring an
empty tank to exchange).

And remember, those are 20lb cylinders, but a few years back the
exchange companies started filling them to only 15 pounds.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31415330/ns/business-us_business/t/anger-fuels-suits-over-underfilled-propane-tanks/

Some Costco locations now fill propane tanks.



Here in Kitchener they don't sell gasoline but they do sell propane -
and they kick everybody else's butts on price - less than half most of
their local compwetition.

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:44:02 -0700, Arthur Conan Doyle
wrote:

(Scott Lurndal) wrote:

That must be the most egregious false analogy I've seen in a great while.
So much for your nym.

Even you should realize that Apples are not equal to Oranges.

Classic ad hominem response. When you can't challenge the argument, attack the
messenger.

And indeed, one should reduce the use of water, where at all possible. It
is, indeed, a limited resource and one where the underground reserves are
dwindling fast and competition for whats left is heating up. Just look at
the Colorado river, or the perrenial water disputes between Ok and Tx.

Demonstrating a lack of basic geology. Look up the water cycle. Water is not
being destroyed or used up. Certain types of water may be less accessible than
they have been in the past, but with a few small exceptions, every molecule of
water that existed a thousand years ago exists today.

Just because that water was 200' below your feet yesterday, or in a river 10
miles away from your house today doesn't mean it always has to be there.

There is plenty of water, the problem is that most of it has about
36-37 PPT salt. The water we are in trouble with is fresh water and we
are using it faster than it gets replenished in over half of the
country.
In the west they are really using it faster than it falls and in the
south east we are just dumping it in the ocean before it can percolate
into the ground with ill thought out engineering projects to drain the
swamps.

We will run out of cheap water long before we run out of oil and
agriculture depends on cheap water.

On 1/8/2016 1:27 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

You're buying gasoline in bulk out of the underground tanks, while the oil has to be packaged in quart containers, which takes extra labor and materials, adding costs and hence price.

Long ago, I worked as a cost accountant for a company that made paint, among other things. I was very surprised when I learned that the cost of the can was more than the cost of producing the paint inside of it.

Paint is an extremely high margin product.

They used to sell oil in five-quart containers, which was enough for most oil changes, and it was cheaper per quart than buying five quart cans.

They still do sell it in five quart containers. Walmart has it. It's
cheaper than buying five one quart bottles at Walmart, but more than
buying five one quart bottles at Costco.

On 1/8/2016 1:27 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
A quart of name brand 5W30 is still about $2.25, and has not come down
as crude prices have fallen. I realize that crude is just a small part
of the cost of producing motor oil, but apparently it does not respond
to decreases in crude prices at all.

Soon I will have to do some 0W-20 oil changes and that costs about $6
per quart.

You're buying gasoline in bulk out of the underground tanks, while the oil has to be packaged in quart containers, which takes extra labor and materials, adding costs and hence price.

True, but the cost of those quart bottles of motor oil has increased
significantly, with the justification being the higher cost of the raw
material. Not that long ago, a quart of oil was about $1.00 to $1.25
when bought in a case of 12, on sale. Now it's about $2.25.

On 1/8/2016 10:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

snip

That must be the most egregious false analogy I've seen in a great while.

True.

So much for your nym.

Even you should realize that Apples are not equal to Oranges.

And indeed, one should reduce the use of water, where at all possible. It
is, indeed, a limited resource and one where the underground reserves are
dwindling fast and competition for whats left is heating up. Just look at
the Colorado river, or the perrenial water disputes between Ok and Tx.

We actually are using a lot less oil than in the past, and wells have
been idled to pump less, and presumably to support prices, though the
side effect is to save it for the future.

When BP bought out Arco, they both had high-producing wells in Alaska,
and they shut some of them down because they had more supply than their
refineries could handle and did not want to sell the excess on the open
market. They do supply a lot of independent gas station chains,
including Costco (at least out west).

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:41:10 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

I've gotten some filled (not exchanged) last year. It cost about the
same, but more propane. One cylinder actually had 20lb in it.


I can take a 20lb tank to the company who fills my bulk tank and they
will fill it with the ACTUAL AMOUNT of 20lb. But the price is th same as
getting an exchange tank. While I'd prefer getting the whole 20lb, I
have to spend an extra gallon of gasoline to go to their company, then I
often have to wait as much as an hour for them to fill the tank, because
the guys are making a delivery and the only people there are the women
who work at the desks. One time they even told me to leave my tank and
come back the next day. I refused and just went to get an exchange tank
at a local convenience store. To me, it's not worth the hassle of
getting them refilled at that place.

I wish there was a way I could fill them myself from my bulk tank, but
it would probably require costly equipment, and might be dangerous, so
I'll just do the exchanges and be done with it. I only use 4 or 5 of the
20lb tanks per year, so it's not a huge expense.

On 01/10/2016 01:15 PM, sms wrote:
They still do sell it in five quart containers. Walmart has it. It's
cheaper than buying five one quart bottles at Walmart, but more than
buying five one quart bottles at Costco.

To say nothing of a five quart container being a pain in the butt when
your car takes a little less than four quarts... I just buy a case at
Costco when it's on sale.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:02:58 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:41:10 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

I've gotten some filled (not exchanged) last year. It cost about the
same, but more propane. One cylinder actually had 20lb in it.


I can take a 20lb tank to the company who fills my bulk tank and they
will fill it with the ACTUAL AMOUNT of 20lb. But the price is th same as
getting an exchange tank. While I'd prefer getting the whole 20lb, I
have to spend an extra gallon of gasoline to go to their company, then I
often have to wait as much as an hour for them to fill the tank, because
the guys are making a delivery and the only people there are the women
who work at the desks. One time they even told me to leave my tank and
come back the next day. I refused and just went to get an exchange tank
at a local convenience store. To me, it's not worth the hassle of
getting them refilled at that place.

I wish there was a way I could fill them myself from my bulk tank, but
it would probably require costly equipment, and might be dangerous, so
I'll just do the exchanges and be done with it. I only use 4 or 5 of the
20lb tanks per year, so it's not a huge expense.


What's different about filling one of those than filling
the old anhydrous ammonia applicators? Farmers did that own
their own all the time years ago.


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