A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in China. It will be shipped from the US.

On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:

A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in China. It will be shipped from the US.

I don't know, but I'm thinking if you gave the url it might help
decide. Of course we might buy it out from under you.

On 12/3/2015 11:59 PM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts
has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Where will you be returning your old starter to recover the core charge?
Or, are you expecting to forfeit that?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in
China. It will be shipped from the US.

Don wrote:
On 12/3/2015 11:59 PM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts
has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?
Where will you be returning your old starter to recover the core charge?

There is no core charge. They don't want the old one.

wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in China. It will be shipped from the US.

I don't know, but I'm thinking if you gave the url it might help
decide. Of course we might buy it out from under you.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

On 12/4/2015 3:51 AM, dangerous dan wrote:


Don wrote:
On 12/3/2015 11:59 PM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA
auto parts
has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?
Where will you be returning your old starter to recover the core charge?

There is no core charge. They don't want the old one.

I'd be inclined to buy only the parts needed to fix the old starter
and repair it. Bushes, the contacts, bushings if needed. Check out the
youtube videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH4ufMHBgOw if you
haven't done it before. I've bought parts from e-bay and if you buy
from a reputable seller I don't see a problem.

On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:

A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in China. It will be shipped from the US.


The seller has positive feedback and has had man sales. I'd be
inclined to go for it. To save $10, no, but for $50, yes.

On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand. Though, I'd buy from
Rock auto first

https://www.rockauto.com/

They have a great reputation with more selections and prices to suit
your need.

On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, dangerous dan
wrote:

A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00. Do you think buying a starter from
eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.

How do the warranties compare?


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On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:

A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in China. It will be shipped from the US.


My goto is Rockauto -

rockauto.com

nice people- good prices- stand behind their products.

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On 12/03/2015 10:59 PM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.

I bought the good one from NAPA, and it comes with a lifetime warranty
from any NAPA store on the US.

As for ordering parts online, I have and will continue to order name
brand parts from Amazon, but not ebay.

Jon

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,
that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings
don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

It's been my experience on Ebay that when it's really made by Denso, Bosch,
etc, then they put that right in the listing header, because it's a
premium part and they want people to see it when they look at all the
listings. Also, typically when it's a part from a major manufacturer,
the picture shows it, has the manufacturer's name in the pic, a pic of
the box, etc. This one has a generic pic. I wouldn't buy it. I only
buy ones on Ebay where it's absolutely clear what I'm getting. There
are plenty of cheap, crap Chinese parts out there. Even then I've
heard some reports of people getting counterfit parts, where it's still
Chinese junk packaged to try to look like a Lemforder, Bosch, etc.



Though, I'd buy from
Rock auto first

https://www.rockauto.com/

They have a great reputation with more selections and prices to suit
your need.

+1

I always look at local pricing too, eg Advance Auto. And as someone
else mentioned, if a core exchange is involved, factor that in.
Shipping back a core versus dropping it off locally can eat up the
worth of the core.

Though, I'd buy from
Rock auto first

https://www.rockauto.com/

They have a great reputation with more selections and prices to suit
your need.

+1

I always look at local pricing too, eg Advance Auto. And as someone
else mentioned, if a core exchange is involved, factor that in.
Shipping back a core versus dropping it off locally can eat up the
worth of the core.

+1 re Rock Auto

Also if its a DENSO starter, you might simply need to replace the solinod contacts instead of the entire starter.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...arter+contacts


Mark

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:48:39 AM UTC-5, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 12/03/2015 10:59 PM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.

I bought the good one from NAPA, and it comes with a lifetime warranty
from any NAPA store on the US.

As for ordering parts online, I have and will continue to order name
brand parts from Amazon, but not ebay.

Jon

The warranty is another aspect worth considering. Many of the auto parts
stores, eg NAPA, Advance, Autozone, etc have lifetime warranties on some
of their parts, including rebuilt. You still have to factor in some
judgement, how difficult the part is to replace, if you're doing the
work or paying someone. For example, recently I needed to replace the
starter on my BMW X5. It's in the worst location I've ever seen. You
actually need two people to work a ratchet with a 3 ft extension running
over the top of the tranny to get to it. One person, can barely feel
the socket and guide it with a flex joint onto the bolt. The other
person is at the ratchet end to work it. You also have to remove all
the intake system up to the throttle body. Given that, I found a
genuine Bosch to put in even though it cost substantially more than
I could have gotten a rebuilt one with a lifetime warrany from an auto parts
store for. If you read online, there are a lot of people saying that
they've taken several starters, alternators, etc back, getting a
replacement every couple years, because they fail. Also, if it's sold
under a house brand label, they probably can be using multiple sources
for the part, changing suppliers, etc.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:

....Good advice snipped...

Though, I'd buy from
Rock auto first

https://www.rockauto.com/

They have a great reputation with more selections and prices to suit
your need.

+1


autoanything.com is another good source. They will match prices. I
thought Amazon was cheaper for my rotors. When I mentioned this to
a rep from autoanything she looked at Amazon and determined that
Amazon was going to charge me tax which would actually make the
price higher. She did her homework and got the sale.

I always look at local pricing too, eg Advance Auto. And as someone
else mentioned, if a core exchange is involved, factor that in.
Shipping back a core versus dropping it off locally can eat up the
worth of the core.

I don't know if I've mentioned my advanceauto.com process in this ng.

I find the parts I need, then start a chat session. I ask a simple,
generic question about my part to build rapport, then ask if there
are any additional discounts codes available. Sometimes it takes
a little persistence, but it is extremely rare that I don't end up
with a better price by the time I'm done. An additional 10% is common.

I then order the part(s) for "pick up in store" and 1/2 hour later,
I can pick them up. Depending on how busy the store is, sometimes they
are already pulled and ready for me, other times they pull them when I
get there. They already have all of the part numbers so it goes
pretty quickly.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 1:00:01 AM UTC-6, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in China. It will be shipped from the US.

I dealt here for a MAF sensor: Hitachi part (new-same as OEM), US warehouse, good communication, and guaranteed. Saved about one-third the cost at the discount auto stores.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/avidautopart...53.m2749.l2754

trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,
that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings
don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

It's been my experience on Ebay that when it's really made by Denso, Bosch,
etc, then they put that right in the listing header, because it's a
premium part and they want people to see it when they look at all the
listings. Also, typically when it's a part from a major manufacturer,
the picture shows it, has the manufacturer's name in the pic, a pic of
the box, etc. This one has a generic pic. I wouldn't buy it. I only
buy ones on Ebay where it's absolutely clear what I'm getting. There
are plenty of cheap, crap Chinese parts out there. Even then I've
heard some reports of people getting counterfit parts, where it's still
Chinese junk packaged to try to look like a Lemforder, Bosch, etc.



Though, I'd buy from
Rock auto first

https://www.rockauto.com/

They have a great reputation with more selections and prices to suit
your need.

+1

I always look at local pricing too, eg Advance Auto. And as someone
else mentioned, if a core exchange is involved, factor that in.
Shipping back a core versus dropping it off locally can eat up the
worth of the core.

I from now and then go to a wrecking yard called "you pick" We
can bring our own tool or rent tools there. Once my wife's Mitsu.
AWD mini wagon windshield wiper transmission ass'y needed a replacement.
I went there and found an identical vehicle, I took out the whole ass'y.
Cost 20.00. They lined up the wrecked cars by brand and model. Fun place
to go. It all depends on what you need. Some eBay sellers have good
reputation. Also eBay protects your money in case you got bad stuff.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,
that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings
don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

....snip...

+1

If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:

CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560

"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.

In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:

Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500

How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

wrote:



Though, I'd buy from
Rock auto first

https://www.rockauto.com/

They have a great reputation with more selections and prices to suit
your need.

+1

I always look at local pricing too, eg Advance Auto. And as someone
else mentioned, if a core exchange is involved, factor that in.
Shipping back a core versus dropping it off locally can eat up the
worth of the core.
+1 re Rock Auto
Also if its a DENSO starter, you might simply need to replace the solinod contacts instead of the entire starter.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...arter+contacts
Mark

It is a DENSO, here's a link to the picture.
Although changing the solinod contacts would probably fix the problem, I've decided to just buy a new starter from NAPA since the vehicle is so old. I should be able to get one today, without having to wait days for one to be shipped. After clicking a few times the vehicle started, so I'm off to the parts store.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4xr2l863...BNtLy30ha?dl=0

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wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,
that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings
don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

...snip...
+1
If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:
CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560
"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.
In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:
Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500
How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

This link shows its a DENSO, and is a direct replacement for the starter that come on the truck. Here's a link to a picture of my original starter.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4xr2l863...BNtLy30ha?dl=0

I've decided to go with a NAPA starter so I won't have to wait and can change it this weekend.

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On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



I've had parts go bad. The question in my mind
is what you do in 8 months when the cheap Ebay
starter fails? Ship it back for exchange, and
not drive your car four weeks?

I realize the price difference. The parts I've
got from Napa have been good quality, and that's
worth the money.

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On 12/4/2015 10:27 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
I from now and then go to a wrecking yard called "you pick" We
can bring our own tool or rent tools there. Once my wife's Mitsu.
AWD mini wagon windshield wiper transmission ass'y needed a replacement.
I went there and found an identical vehicle, I took out the whole ass'y.
Cost 20.00. They lined up the wrecked cars by brand and model. Fun place
to go. It all depends on what you need. Some eBay sellers have good
reputation. Also eBay protects your money in case you got bad stuff.

I got a wiper transmission for my truck. I'd
have called it a linkage. Well, in any case.....
Mine was also $20.

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dangerous dan wrote:


wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00.
NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a
starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is
probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.


Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand. I doubt
this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it
clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically
Chinese,
that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is
Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds
of listings
don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch
numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things. ...snip...
+1 If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:
CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560
"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.
In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:
Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500
How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


This link shows its a DENSO, and is a direct replacement for the starter
that come on the truck. Here's a link to a picture of my original starter.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4xr2l863...BNtLy30ha?dl=0

I've decided to go with a NAPA starter so I won't have to wait and can
change it this weekend.

I won't mind using a rebuilt one. We have a local shop who rebuilds
starters, alternators. Often they have one in stock or will rebuild yours.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:

...Good advice snipped...

Though, I'd buy from
Rock auto first

https://www.rockauto.com/

They have a great reputation with more selections and prices to suit
your need.

+1


autoanything.com is another good source. They will match prices. I
thought Amazon was cheaper for my rotors. When I mentioned this to
a rep from autoanything she looked at Amazon and determined that
Amazon was going to charge me tax which would actually make the
price higher. She did her homework and got the sale.

I always look at local pricing too, eg Advance Auto. And as someone
else mentioned, if a core exchange is involved, factor that in.
Shipping back a core versus dropping it off locally can eat up the
worth of the core.

I don't know if I've mentioned my advanceauto.com process in this ng.

I find the parts I need, then start a chat session. I ask a simple,
generic question about my part to build rapport, then ask if there
are any additional discounts codes available. Sometimes it takes
a little persistence, but it is extremely rare that I don't end up
with a better price by the time I'm done. An additional 10% is common.

I then order the part(s) for "pick up in store" and 1/2 hour later,
I can pick them up. Depending on how busy the store is, sometimes they
are already pulled and ready for me, other times they pull them when I
get there. They already have all of the part numbers so it goes
pretty quickly.

I have a cash account at the local O'Reilly , plus have gotten to be
friends with the main counter guy/ass't mgr and the manager . I'm a good
percentage below jobber price , and they'll match the WM across the street
on oil prices .

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Stormin wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.


I've had parts go bad. The question in my mind
is what you do in 8 months when the cheap Ebay
starter fails? Ship it back for exchange, and
not drive your car four weeks?
I realize the price difference. The parts I've
got from Napa have been good quality, and that's
worth the money.
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.
.
I was going to buy from NAPA, they thought they had one, then discovered they didn't. I had to drive twenty miles and get one from O'Riley's. The only other option was a local auto parts store could have gotten one brought in from 100 miles away, and I would get it tomorrow.



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On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 11:02:09 AM UTC-5, dangerous dan wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,
that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings
don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

...snip...
+1
If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:
CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560
"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.
In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:
Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500
How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

This link shows its a DENSO, and is a direct replacement for the starter that come on the truck. Here's a link to a picture of my original starter.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4xr2l863...BNtLy30ha?dl=0



The issue wasn't what's on the truck now, the issue was that I don't think
the starter on Ebay that you showed is a Denso. IMO, it's likely a cheap
Chinese no-name.

trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 11:02:09 AM UTC-5, dangerous dan wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,
that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings
don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

...snip...
+1
If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:
CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560
"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.
In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:
Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500
How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

This link shows its a DENSO, and is a direct replacement for the starter that come on the truck. Here's a link to a picture of my original starter.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4xr2l863...BNtLy30ha?dl=0



The issue wasn't what's on the truck now, the issue was that I don't think
the starter on Ebay that you showed is a Denso. IMO, it's likely a cheap
Chinese no-name.

Then in addition to fitment, gotta check the electrical specs. too.
Denso is widely used amongst Japanese vehicles.

This link shows its a DENSO, and is a direct replacement for the starter that come on the truck. Here's a link to a picture of my original starter.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4xr2l863...BNtLy30ha?dl=0

I've decided to go with a NAPA starter so I won't have to wait and can change it this weekend.

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OK sounds good

You could buy the contacts too they are cheap

and at your leisure, replace them in the original starter, then you will
have a spare ready to go in case the new one doesn't hold out.

On 12/4/2015 4:33 PM, dangerous dan wrote:


Stormin wrote:

I've had parts go bad. The question in my mind
is what you do in 8 months when the cheap Ebay
starter fails? Ship it back for exchange, and
not drive your car four weeks?
I realize the price difference. The parts I've
got from Napa have been good quality, and that's
worth the money.

I was going to buy from NAPA, they thought they had one, then discovered
they didn't. I had to drive twenty miles and get one from O'Riley's. The
only other option was a local auto parts store could have gotten one
brought in from 100 miles away, and I would get it tomorrow.



The Napa places near me, most of them can get one
tomorrow, also. I hope things work well for you,
and the new starter gives service for many years.


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Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/4/2015 4:33 PM, dangerous dan wrote:


Stormin wrote:

I've had parts go bad. The question in my mind
is what you do in 8 months when the cheap Ebay
starter fails? Ship it back for exchange, and
not drive your car four weeks?
I realize the price difference. The parts I've
got from Napa have been good quality, and that's
worth the money.

I was going to buy from NAPA, they thought they had one, then discovered
they didn't. I had to drive twenty miles and get one from O'Riley's. The
only other option was a local auto parts store could have gotten one
brought in from 100 miles away, and I would get it tomorrow.



The Napa places near me, most of them can get one
tomorrow, also. I hope things work well for you,
and the new starter gives service for many years.


I don't recall reepacing starter on any car my family owned. Few times
replaced alternator tho. We make sure we have good battery. Start with
touch of a button or right away turning the key regardless of season.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 6:31:15 PM UTC-6, Tony Hwang wrote:

I don't recall replacing starter on any car my family owned. Few times
replaced alternator tho. We make sure we have good battery. Start with
touch of a button or right away turning the key regardless of season.

I had a '66 Chev, solenoid would just click...flip the copper contacts for a new surface and good for another 175K. I worked on a friends Opel, it would fail when it was under a heavy load (cold weather). The field winding insulation broke-down and would short-out to the case. We used some thin bakelite for a fix.

On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 04:01:05 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:



wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in China. It will be shipped from the US.

I don't know, but I'm thinking if you gave the url it might help
decide. Of course we might buy it out from under you.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


You can get it on Rockauto.com for $82 and up depending on brand and
you are dealing with a real company.

Stormin wrote:
On 12/4/2015 4:33 PM, dangerous dan wrote:


Stormin wrote:

I've had parts go bad. The question in my mind
is what you do in 8 months when the cheap Ebay
starter fails? Ship it back for exchange, and
not drive your car four weeks?
I realize the price difference. The parts I've
got from Napa have been good quality, and that's
worth the money.
I was going to buy from NAPA, they thought they had one, then discovered
they didn't. I had to drive twenty miles and get one from O'Riley's. The
only other option was a local auto parts store could have gotten one
brought in from 100 miles away, and I would get it tomorrow.

The Napa places near me, most of them can get one
tomorrow, also. I hope things work well for you,
and the new starter gives service for many years.
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learn more about Jesus
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Success. That was actually fun replacing the starter. It's been 40 years since I had to replace one. It was nice to have the truck start right up.

I had to go in through the wheel well to get at the bolts, and manipulate it out. The first bolt was so tight I had to use an impact wrench. I don't have any metric impact sockets and was worried the regular socket would break, but everything worked out just right.

What took so long was rotating the flywheel to make sure it wasn't broken. That was slow and tiring.

I got a good look at the alternator while I was under the hood. It's starting to look old and worn. At least it's in a place that won't be much trouble to change out, when it's time.

I'm buying three jumper cables on eBay for Christmas gifts for my neighbors for helping me get it started the other day when it needed to be towed to get started. One of the cables is for me. EBay has a really good price on them, and they come in a case. My neighbors jumper cables were so bad they should have been replaced 10 years ago.

Thanks everyone for all the advice.

Have a very merry Christmas, and a happy new year.

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On 12/5/2015 8:21 PM, dangerous dan wrote:

Success. That was actually fun replacing the starter. It's been 40 years
since I had to replace one. It was nice to have the truck start right up.

I had to go in through the wheel well to get at the bolts, and
manipulate it out. The first bolt was so tight I had to use an impact
wrench. I don't have any metric impact sockets and was worried the
regular socket would break, but everything worked out just right.
What took so long was rotating the flywheel to make sure it wasn't
broken. That was slow and tiring.

I got a good look at the alternator while I was under the hood. It's
starting to look old and worn. At least it's in a place that won't be
much trouble to change out, when it's time.

I'm buying three jumper cables on eBay for Christmas gifts for my
neighbors for helping me get it started the other day when it needed to
be towed to get started. One of the cables is for me. EBay has a really
good price on them, and they come in a case. My neighbors jumper cables
were so bad they should have been replaced 10 years ago.
Thanks everyone for all the advice.

Have a very merry Christmas, and a happy new year.


Sounds like a good time was had by all. Very
nice to hear good news, now and again. Thank
you.


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learn more about Jesus
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On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:27:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,

Crank-n-Charge is the name of the seller's store, and the name he uses
when he posts a listing. It doesn't say anything about what he is
selling, anymore than the names Pep Boys or NAPA determine what they
are selling.

that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings

No contradiction at all.

don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

...snip...
+1
If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:

CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560

But is this specific starter on their store website? The ones I
found were for alfa romeo, grand marquis

"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.

If only one model of starter were following "replaces" I'd agree with
you. But I'm not sure it applies when there is a list of various
makes that follows.

It also says in the ad,
Manufacturer Part Number: 28100-00100-84, 28100-0C010
Interchange Part Number: 228000-3740, 228000-3742, 228000-3743

All of these look like Denso part numbers.

Still your argument has merit.

In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:

Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500

It's hard to keep a database totally up to date. They may get their
individual ads out as quick as possible even if they don't get them
totally xrefed, including xrefing the Replacment numbers, in the store
listing. Wikipedia searches often don't find pages they actually
have. I see this other places too.

How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

How DID he find it?

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 3:33:11 AM UTC-5, Micky wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:27:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,

Crank-n-Charge is the name of the seller's store, and the name he uses
when he posts a listing. It doesn't say anything about what he is
selling, anymore than the names Pep Boys or NAPA determine what they
are selling.


Yes it does, when he puts Crank-n-Charge in the field of the listing for
"manufacturer". The manufacturer isn't the Ebay seller. It would be
pretty dumb to be selling a Denso, Bosch, etc
and do that. Who does that? Vendors selling cheap Chinese knockoffs as
their own house brand. A vendor selling a real Denso would put Denso in
that field. And they also would typically put it in the title, in the pic,
etc. to show that they really are selling a Denso.



that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings

No contradiction at all.


BS. It clearly says two different things in the listing. And from looking
at a lot of these listings over the years, when the manufacturer's field has
the seller's business name instead of the manufacturer, it's a cheap knock-off. But go ahead and buy parts like that if you like.

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 3:33:11 AM UTC-5, Micky wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:27:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,

Crank-n-Charge is the name of the seller's store, and the name he uses
when he posts a listing. It doesn't say anything about what he is
selling, anymore than the names Pep Boys or NAPA determine what they
are selling.

that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings

No contradiction at all.

don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

...snip...
+1
If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:

CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560

But is this specific starter on their store website? The ones I
found were for alfa romeo, grand marquis

"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.

If only one model of starter were following "replaces" I'd agree with
you. But I'm not sure it applies when there is a list of various
makes that follows.

It also says in the ad,
Manufacturer Part Number: 28100-00100-84, 28100-0C010
Interchange Part Number: 228000-3740, 228000-3742, 228000-3743

All of these look like Denso part numbers.

Still your argument has merit.

In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:

Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500

It's hard to keep a database totally up to date. They may get their
individual ads out as quick as possible even if they don't get them
totally xrefed, including xrefing the Replacment numbers, in the store
listing. Wikipedia searches often don't find pages they actually
have. I see this other places too.

How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

How DID he find it?

Your post is "confusing" because you have responded to some of what
trader_4 said and some of what I said. I am not going to reply in line
because of that, I'll just address *my* individual items below.

I don't think you understand what it means when a seller (not just an
eBay seller) quotes a manufacturer's part number on their website. It
simply means that they are offering a part that *replaces* the following
manufacturer's part/part number, not that it is the the OEM part.

In other words, "Our P/N 456123 replaces Denso P/N's 7899879, 123321".

It is not all that odd for a single part number from an aftermarket
dealer to replace a number of OEM part numbers. Sometimes the only
difference in an OEM part from year to year is who *they* sourced the
part - or sub part - from. This could even happen within the same model
year. By assigning a different part number to parts from different
sources, they can keep better track of costs and quality.

e.g. Maybe one OEM starter has a case made by Fung Ye Castings and
another OEM starter has a case made by Nebraska Bob's Metal Shop.
An after-market starter, such as one from crankncharge, could easily
have a single part number that replaces both of those OEM parts
because there really is no difference other that who supplied the
case to the OEM.

As far as the search engine at crankncharge, you said:

"It's hard to keep a database totally up to date."

It has nothing to do with their data bases, it's all about the
Search Engine itself.

Search for Denso

"Your Search for "Denso" did not match any products
Did you mean: denim"

Now search for denim

"Your Search for "denim" did not match any products"

We know for a fact that Denso appears on their website multiple
times. I'm pretty sure that they don't carry any "denim" parts.
It's a search engine issue, not a "can't keep the data base up
to date" issue.

You asked "How DID he find it?"

I don't know who the "he" you are referring to is, so I can't answer
that question. You will note however that I didn't refer you to a page
for your specific starter, because I couldn't figure out how to
search for it. I searched for Toyota, but that failed; I searched for
Denso but that failed too. At that point, I just grabbed a generic
starter to try and make my point about the aftermarket vs. OEM
part numbers, as well as their crappy search utility.

dangerous dan was thinking very hard :
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto parts
has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter from
eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in
China. It will be shipped from the US.

Get the EBay starter. If it fails, you can get a refund with the EBay
guarantee, if not the vendor.

dangerous dan presented the following explanation :

wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in
China. It will be shipped from the US.

I don't know, but I'm thinking if you gave the url it might help
decide. Of course we might buy it out from under you.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

"This part has been inspected by our engineers to insure quality, and
comes with a rock-solid warranty for your peace of mind. We're not
satisfied if you're not satisfied!"

There you go. It's also a 'new' part, so buy it.

Ashton Crusher pretended :
On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 04:01:05 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:



wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:59:53 -0600, "dangerous dan"
wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.

Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made in
China. It will be shipped from the US.

I don't know, but I'm thinking if you gave the url it might help
decide. Of course we might buy it out from under you.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331284219233...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


You can get it on Rockauto.com for $82 and up depending on brand and
you are dealing with a real company.

You pay for shipping with rock auto....