On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 3:33:11 AM UTC-5, Micky wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:27:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:53:10 AM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 12/4/2015 1:59 AM, dangerous dan wrote:
A store on eBay has a new starter for my vehicle for $80.00. NAPA auto
parts has one starting at $130.00.
Do you think buying a starter from eBay would be a good starter?

Does anyone have any bad experiences buying auto parts, like a starter
from eBay?

The eBay store is located in the US, although the part is probably made
in China. It will be shipped from the US.



Denso is the manufacturer and is a decent brand.

I doubt this is really a Denso starter. In the beginning of the listing
in the field for manufacturer, manufacturer's part number, etc it clearly
says Crank-n-Charge. That means it's a cheap no-name, typically Chinese,

Crank-n-Charge is the name of the seller's store, and the name he uses
when he posts a listing. It doesn't say anything about what he is
selling, anymore than the names Pep Boys or NAPA determine what they
are selling.

that the lister is selling under their own house name.
Later down in the description, it does say the manufacturer is Denso, so
at the very least it's totally contradictory. Usually these kinds of listings

No contradiction at all.

don't flat out contradict, instead they list equivalent Denso, Bosch numbers
to mislead you into thinking it's made by them. But this one, flat out
says two different things.

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+1
If you look at the starters at the crankncharge website, their
descriptions typically look something like this:

CRANK-N-CHARGE
NEW 12 VOLT STARTER REPLACES KTM 60040001000, DENSO 428000-1560

But is this specific starter on their store website? The ones I
found were for alfa romeo, grand marquis

"Replaces" does not typically mean OEM.

If only one model of starter were following "replaces" I'd agree with
you. But I'm not sure it applies when there is a list of various
makes that follows.

It also says in the ad,
Manufacturer Part Number: 28100-00100-84, 28100-0C010
Interchange Part Number: 228000-3740, 228000-3742, 228000-3743

All of these look like Denso part numbers.

Still your argument has merit.

In addition, for what it's worth, the crankncharge search utility
s-u-c-k-s. If you take that DENSO part number directly from their
description and put it in the search field, you get:

Search Results for "428000-1560"
Your search for "428000-1560" did not match any products.
Did you mean: 40000 1500

It's hard to keep a database totally up to date. They may get their
individual ads out as quick as possible even if they don't get them
totally xrefed, including xrefing the Replacment numbers, in the store
listing. Wikipedia searches often don't find pages they actually
have. I see this other places too.

How would you search for a replacement starter if their search
engine can't find the OEM part number that *they* say the starter
replaces?

How DID he find it?

Your post is "confusing" because you have responded to some of what
trader_4 said and some of what I said. I am not going to reply in line
because of that, I'll just address *my* individual items below.

I don't think you understand what it means when a seller (not just an
eBay seller) quotes a manufacturer's part number on their website. It
simply means that they are offering a part that *replaces* the following
manufacturer's part/part number, not that it is the the OEM part.

In other words, "Our P/N 456123 replaces Denso P/N's 7899879, 123321".

It is not all that odd for a single part number from an aftermarket
dealer to replace a number of OEM part numbers. Sometimes the only
difference in an OEM part from year to year is who *they* sourced the
part - or sub part - from. This could even happen within the same model
year. By assigning a different part number to parts from different
sources, they can keep better track of costs and quality.

e.g. Maybe one OEM starter has a case made by Fung Ye Castings and
another OEM starter has a case made by Nebraska Bob's Metal Shop.
An after-market starter, such as one from crankncharge, could easily
have a single part number that replaces both of those OEM parts
because there really is no difference other that who supplied the
case to the OEM.

As far as the search engine at crankncharge, you said:

"It's hard to keep a database totally up to date."

It has nothing to do with their data bases, it's all about the
Search Engine itself.

Search for Denso

"Your Search for "Denso" did not match any products
Did you mean: denim"

Now search for denim

"Your Search for "denim" did not match any products"

We know for a fact that Denso appears on their website multiple
times. I'm pretty sure that they don't carry any "denim" parts.
It's a search engine issue, not a "can't keep the data base up
to date" issue.

You asked "How DID he find it?"

I don't know who the "he" you are referring to is, so I can't answer
that question. You will note however that I didn't refer you to a page
for your specific starter, because I couldn't figure out how to
search for it. I searched for Toyota, but that failed; I searched for
Denso but that failed too. At that point, I just grabbed a generic
starter to try and make my point about the aftermarket vs. OEM
part numbers, as well as their crappy search utility.