It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif3f3zo2cx0wh@ajm...
It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

it depends if you have air conditioning.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:29:47 -0700, Pico Rico
wrote:


"RobertMacy" wrote in message
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...snip...
So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or
DOWN
air in the summer?

it depends if you have air conditioning.

again which way? for what reason? elaborate?

"RobertMacy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:29:47 -0700, Pico Rico
wrote:


"RobertMacy" wrote in message
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...snip...
So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or
DOWN
air in the summer?

it depends if you have air conditioning.

again which way? for what reason? elaborate?

heat rises. If you have ac, you want to push the warm air down so it can
become ac'd. If you don't have ac, you might as well leave the warm air up
there were it will be less noticed.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 17:00:16 -0700, "Pico Rico"
wrote:


"RobertMacy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:29:47 -0700, Pico Rico
wrote:


"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif3f3zo2cx0wh@ajm...
...snip...
So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or
DOWN
air in the summer?

it depends if you have air conditioning.

again which way? for what reason? elaborate?

heat rises. If you have ac, you want to push the warm air down so it can
become ac'd. If you don't have ac, you might as well leave the warm air up
there were it will be less noticed.

But you can cool to a higher temperature if you help the convection
off your skin. Add in evaporative cooling and a breeze is a big win,
at least in small rooms, like a home.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 22:28:23 -0400, krw wrote:

On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 17:00:16 -0700, "Pico Rico"
wrote:


"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif3so2o2cx0wh@ajm...
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:29:47 -0700, Pico Rico
wrote:


"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif3f3zo2cx0wh@ajm...
...snip...
So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP
or DOWN air in the summer?

it depends if you have air conditioning.

again which way? for what reason? elaborate?

heat rises. If you have ac, you want to push the warm air down so it
can become ac'd. If you don't have ac, you might as well leave the warm
air up there were it will be less noticed.

But you can cool to a higher temperature if you help the convection off
your skin. Add in evaporative cooling and a breeze is a big win, at
least in small rooms, like a home.

We have air conditioning which keeps the house at 78, and a way
undersized room dehumidifier which we set up in the master shower, turn
on the circulating fan in the furnace, and basically slowly and
inefficiently dry out the whole house.

It makes a huge huge difference how hot it feels -- and we're in Oregon,
where everyone is a humidity wimp.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:32:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

...snip...

I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.

...Jim Thompson

EXACTLY! In the summer cooler, in the winter the hot ceiling air does get
a chance to slide down the cooler external wall, heating them a bit.
....I'm going to go change them all back. Experts! phewey!

On 04/07/14 07:38, RobertMacy wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:32:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

...snip...

I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.

...Jim Thompson

EXACTLY! In the summer cooler, in the winter the hot ceiling air does
get a chance to slide down the cooler external wall, heating them a
bit. ...I'm going to go change them all back. Experts! phewey!

The idea of a direct draft downwards is to make you feel cooler due to
the evaporation of your perspiration, why not make up your own mind and
use whatever feels the best.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:38:12 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:32:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

...snip...

I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.

...Jim Thompson

EXACTLY! In the summer cooler, in the winter the hot ceiling air does get
a chance to slide down the cooler external wall, heating them a bit.
...I'm going to go change them all back. Experts! phewey!
The theory is to move the hot air from the ceiling down to the living
space in the winter. Depending the use of the space, summer may
require up or down. If air conditioned you can get away with keeping
temps at least 4 degrees warmer if you keep the fan running down
because the light breeze helps cool.
Running the fan UP draws the cool air from the floor up to the ceiling
and circulates the air across the ceiling to spill down the walls.
Doesn't work as well with "architectural" ceilings.

I just put 2 70 inch fans in the office - 6 speed - running down on
4th speed -13 and 15 foot ceilings with architectural features -
(former theatre)

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:18:43 -0700, wrote:

...snip....
space in the winter. Depending the use of the space, summer may
require up or down. If air conditioned you can get away with keeping
temps at least 4 degrees warmer if you keep the fan running down
because the light breeze helps cool.
Running the fan UP draws the cool air from the floor up to the ceiling
and circulates the air across the ceiling to spill down the walls.
Doesn't work as well with "architectural" ceilings.

I just put 2 70 inch fans in the office - 6 speed - running down on
4th speed -13 and 15 foot ceilings with architectural features -
(former theatre)

wow, sounds neat!

just got done with a 'side by side' comparison;
DOWN is HOTTER than no fan! even though the air hits you more directly
just seems to become hot air.
UP is COOLER than no fan! keep getting cold drafts from every side. well
'cool' drafts.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:29:46 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:18:43 -0700, wrote:

...snip....
space in the winter. Depending the use of the space, summer may
require up or down. If air conditioned you can get away with keeping
temps at least 4 degrees warmer if you keep the fan running down
because the light breeze helps cool.
Running the fan UP draws the cool air from the floor up to the ceiling
and circulates the air across the ceiling to spill down the walls.
Doesn't work as well with "architectural" ceilings.

I just put 2 70 inch fans in the office - 6 speed - running down on
4th speed -13 and 15 foot ceilings with architectural features -
(former theatre)

wow, sounds neat!

just got done with a 'side by side' comparison;
DOWN is HOTTER than no fan! even though the air hits you more directly
just seems to become hot air.
UP is COOLER than no fan! keep getting cold drafts from every side. well
'cool' drafts.
Air conditioned, or not?? In the "theatre" we were able to crank the
AC up 4 degrees C without people complaining of heat, and the "upper
deck" area is now cool instead of toasty. (about 1/3 of the "theatre"
is about 16" higher (floor) than the rest - with level ceiling.
Originally was 3 levels, 1/3 low, 1/3 up one step, and 1/3 up another
step. A few of the girls should wear more clothes - they complain
their legs get cold.

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.


Yup. Same here.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:44:53 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
...snip....
I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.


Yup. Same here.


THANKS, again empirical evidence opposite the 'experts'!

On 7/3/2014 7:53 PM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:44:53 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
...snip....
I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.


Yup. Same here.


THANKS, again empirical evidence opposite the 'experts'!

Wow, you seem to have a problem with authority. Of course you can use
the fan anyway you wish. The recommendation has nothing to do with your
house, it has to do with your skin. As others have pointed out when it
is warm a slight breeze can feel good, so the fan is set to blow down so
you can feel it. In the winter when it is cool you don't want to feel
the breeze, so set it to up. By the time the circulation reaches you it
is greatly dispersed and you don't feel the cool air so much.

My bed is right under a window and I tried adding a plastic film to seal
off the draft. But that only worked so well. I tried adding some
cardboard as layers of insulation behind the blind and still felt a cold
draft. Turns out I was reducing the heat flow through the window, but
that was not the full problem. The air by the window would still get
cold, but since it got cold slowly it fell slowly still lowering
temperature significantly by the time it fell on my bed. It took a 3/4
inch sheet of Styrofoam tightly fitted to the window before I could
sleep in that bed. This was a cold winter here and that draft was
unbearable! It only takes a very little air flow to create a very
noticeable draft in the winter because the air can be rather cold. That
is why you want the fan blowing up if at all in the winter. I turn mine
off in the winter. I don't think it changes the electric bill
noticeably one way or the other or the comfort in the room.

--

Rick

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:54:04 -0700, rickman wrote:

...snip...
Wow, you seem to have a problem with authority. Of course you can use
the fan anyway you wish.

Problem with authority? Maybe, but it was a LEARNED response.

Actually, I was trying to confirm whether others experienced what I had
found empirically, and was in direct opposition to the 'experts'
suggestion. Plus, convince Ms. Macy that I am NOT an idiot and delusional
for thinking I know more than the experts on these House shows.

The recommendation has nothing to do with your
house, it has to do with your skin. As others have pointed out when it
is warm a slight breeze can feel good, so the fan is set to blow down so
you can feel it. In the winter when it is cool you don't want to feel
the breeze, so set it to up. By the time the circulation reaches you it
is greatly dispersed and you don't feel the cool air so much.


I thought that way too, directly blowing down onto me in hot weather
'sounded' better. But just confirmed that blowing down on me ended up
'feeling' a good 5 degrees hotter, than letting air come in from the
sides. I now have the fan set for UP and it feels cooler in the room than
with NO fan. And earlier it definitely felt hotter with the fan blowing
DOWN, by several degrees above what it was like with NO fam.

My bed is right under a window and I tried adding a plastic film to seal
off the draft. But that only worked so well. I tried adding some
cardboard as layers of insulation behind the blind and still felt a cold
draft. Turns out I was reducing the heat flow through the window, but
that was not the full problem. The air by the window would still get
cold, but since it got cold slowly it fell slowly still lowering
temperature significantly by the time it fell on my bed. It took a 3/4
inch sheet of Styrofoam tightly fitted to the window before I could
sleep in that bed. This was a cold winter here and that draft was
unbearable! It only takes a very little air flow to create a very
noticeable draft in the winter because the air can be rather cold. That
is why you want the fan blowing up if at all in the winter. I turn mine
off in the winter. I don't think it changes the electric bill
noticeably one way or the other or the comfort in the room.

At University I had a roomate who during the summer would go logging for
piece meal wages to make great money. He said they roasted all day, like
into the 80's, 90's, and froze at night in their cabins. Wake up in the
morning to find a sheet of ice frozen over standing water in any dish!
Now THAT's cold. He said the money was worth it, though.

On 7/3/2014 7:53 PM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:44:53 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
...snip....
I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.


Yup. Same here.


THANKS, again empirical evidence opposite the 'experts'!

Consulting the works of Aristotle, Confucious, and
Ann Landers..... provides a variety of data.

Try one, try the other. Do what works for you.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 02:11:00 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Gave us:

On 7/3/2014 7:53 PM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:44:53 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
...snip....
I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.


Yup. Same here.


THANKS, again empirical evidence opposite the 'experts'!

Consulting the works of Aristotle, Confucious, and
Ann Landers..... provides a variety of data.

Try one, try the other. Do what works for you.


Great answer.

The thread could have turned philosophical even sooner.

Do not forget Tzu.

"RobertMacy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:44:53 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
...snip....
I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.


Yup. Same here.


THANKS, again empirical evidence opposite the 'experts'!

Perhaps it depends upon the climate. I've lived in tropical climates most
of my life. I've used ceiling fans for decades, long before they were
popular or even commonly available. At the same time, central air
conditioning in homes was very uncommon; even room air conditoners. My fans
ran down, May through October (the other months were cool enough so that
they weren't needed).

We now have central air but it is rarely used . It is rarely used because we
like open windows and don't often need it. Why don't we need it? BECAUSE
THE FANS RUN DOWN.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

dadiOH wrote:
"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif4myca2cx0wh@ajm
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:44:53 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
...snip....
I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.

Yup. Same here.

THANKS, again empirical evidence opposite the 'experts'!

Perhaps it depends upon the climate. I've lived in tropical climates most
of my life. I've used ceiling fans for decades, long before they were
popular or even commonly available.


Unlikely, unless you are 130 years old. In restaurants or even some
upscale southern homes they had such fans back then. Often multiple
units driven by a common motor and belts. They had less than the usual
five blades of modern versions but they sure were ceiling fans.

Even today's style showed up in the stores over 100 years ago:

http://www.vintagefans.com/gallery/c...eilingfan.html

Ours doesn't look much different except that it has five blades.


[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:53:12 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:44:53 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
...snip....
I run UP all seasons.... moves the air within putting myself in a
wind.


Yup. Same here.


THANKS, again empirical evidence opposite the 'experts'!

"ex spurt" or sales critter? A lot of sales critters act as if "expert"
to upsell to higher margin products.

?-)

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

...snip....
Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

AZ housing is noted for these fans. We have eight laced throughout the
house. Three speed settings, two chains, one for fan one for light, and
always two switches on the walls for each fan, and a 'direction switch' on
the side of the housing, requires a ladder to get to that is very
intelligently mnemonic, slide up air moves UP, slide down air moves DOWN.
noiseless critters, too.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:50:22 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

...snip....
Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

AZ housing is noted for these fans. We have eight laced throughout the
house. Three speed settings, two chains, one for fan one for light, and
always two switches on the walls for each fan, and a 'direction switch' on
the side of the housing, requires a ladder to get to that is very
intelligently mnemonic, slide up air moves UP, slide down air moves DOWN.
noiseless critters, too.

Mine cost $40 at Home Depot and doesn't have all those fancy features;
3 speeds, no light, no direction. It is quiet. In our climate, we
probably use it 5 or 10 nights per year, for the rare heat wave.

Ceiling fans are impressive. They seem to last forever.

I did tie it into the ceiling real good. Nothing wrecks your sleep
like a fan falling on you.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:11:23 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

...snip...

I did tie it into the ceiling real good. Nothing wrecks your sleep
like a fan falling on you.



These fans are probably a bit more.

you just reminded me that UP air is going to turn the fan into a chopper
if accidently raise up into it!

Mine cost $40 at Home Depot and doesn't have all those fancy features;
3 speeds, no light, no direction. It is quiet. In our climate, we
probably use it 5 or 10 nights per year, for the rare heat wave.

Ceiling fans are impressive. They seem to last forever.

I did tie it into the ceiling real good. Nothing wrecks your sleep
like a fan falling on you.

Hi,
Sounds like you have an experience with falling ceiling fan on you?
I have 3 of them fancy ones on top floor of the house. Very seldom use
them. Today it is VERY hot(for us at least), 30.7C in my front yard.
30C temp. here is not usual. Rather -30C is usual in winter, LOL!

On 7/3/2014 8:42 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:


Mine cost $40 at Home Depot and doesn't have all those fancy features;
3 speeds, no light, no direction. It is quiet. In our climate, we
probably use it 5 or 10 nights per year, for the rare heat wave.

Ceiling fans are impressive. They seem to last forever.

I did tie it into the ceiling real good. Nothing wrecks your sleep
like a fan falling on you.

Hi,
Sounds like you have an experience with falling ceiling fan on you?
I have 3 of them fancy ones on top floor of the house. Very seldom use
them. Today it is VERY hot(for us at least), 30.7C in my front yard.
30C temp. here is not usual. Rather -30C is usual in winter, LOL!

30°C doesn't sound so bad to me. I like the 30°C days. It is the 33°C
days like we've been having when it starts to be a bother. This weekend
should be nice though. High around 30°C, low around 14°C at night.
Nice sleeping weather.

--

Rick

On 2014-07-04, John Larkin wrote:

Ceiling fans are impressive. They seem to last forever.

it's an induction motor. the only wear part in the bearings and it
rotates slowly compared to most other motors.

--
umop apisdn


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On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:50:22 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

...snip....
Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

AZ housing is noted for these fans. We have eight laced throughout the
house. Three speed settings, two chains, one for fan one for light, and
always two switches on the walls for each fan, and a 'direction switch' on
the side of the housing, requires a ladder to get to that is very
intelligently mnemonic, slide up air moves UP, slide down air moves DOWN.
noiseless critters, too.

Ours have pull-chains for both switches (even though all but one have
two wall switches, and that one has two switches but only one is
connected for some reason).

"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif4h8sc2cx0wh@ajm
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

...snip....
Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

AZ housing is noted for these fans.

There's your answer as to why blowing down doesn't cool you. Nobody sweats
in Arizona...no sweat, no evaporation.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On 07/04/2014 08:20 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif4h8sc2cx0wh@ajm
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

...snip....
Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

AZ housing is noted for these fans.

There's your answer as to why blowing down doesn't cool you. Nobody sweats
in Arizona...no sweat, no evaporation.



Somebody slept through science class.

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 06:16:50 -0700, V Ague wrote:

On 07/04/2014 08:20 AM, dadiOH wrote:
...snip....
There's your answer as to why blowing down doesn't cool you. Nobody
sweats
in Arizona...no sweat, no evaporation.



Somebody slept through science class.

I took him to mean "Nobody sweats in Arizona..." a bit more tongue in
cheek, because we're allowed to carry in this state.

On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:20:30 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:

"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xif4h8sc2cx0wh@ajm
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

...snip....
Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

AZ housing is noted for these fans.

There's your answer as to why blowing down doesn't cool you. Nobody sweats
in Arizona...no sweat, no evaporation.

But a down-pointing fan does blow the dust off.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/2594122...ights-grounded




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On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
Gave us:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

What brand of fan did you buy that it does not reverse?

That is silly.

And if you installed it, why would you install a fan that is so
sub-par? There cannot be that great a savings between them, even if
such fans enjoy a market. Maybe I never looked for them, but an air
circulator fan (ceiling fan)always has a bi-directional motor.

And if it came with the house, I would be looking to kick a
contractor's ass, especially in *that* town. I didn't think anything up
there was done '**** poor'.

Or maybe you never actually inspected the fan itself.

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:01:04 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
Gave us:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

What brand of fan did you buy that it does not reverse?

That is silly.

And if you installed it, why would you install a fan that is so
sub-par? There cannot be that great a savings between them, even if
such fans enjoy a market. Maybe I never looked for them, but an air
circulator fan (ceiling fan)always has a bi-directional motor.

And if it came with the house, I would be looking to kick a
contractor's ass, especially in *that* town. I didn't think anything up
there was done '**** poor'.

Or maybe you never actually inspected the fan itself.
There are lots of cheap uni-directional fans on the market. $19.95
China specials. Usually only in white, but likely others out there.

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 22:18:11 -0400, Gave us:

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:01:04 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
Gave us:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

What brand of fan did you buy that it does not reverse?

That is silly.

And if you installed it, why would you install a fan that is so
sub-par? There cannot be that great a savings between them, even if
such fans enjoy a market. Maybe I never looked for them, but an air
circulator fan (ceiling fan)always has a bi-directional motor.

And if it came with the house, I would be looking to kick a
contractor's ass, especially in *that* town. I didn't think anything up
there was done '**** poor'.

Or maybe you never actually inspected the fan itself.
There are lots of cheap uni-directional fans on the market. $19.95
China specials. Usually only in white, but likely others out there.


But what idiot in their right mind, especially in greater SF would buy
or use such a cheap POS in a perm install?

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:53:44 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 22:18:11 -0400, Gave us:

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:01:04 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
Gave us:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

What brand of fan did you buy that it does not reverse?

That is silly.

And if you installed it, why would you install a fan that is so
sub-par? There cannot be that great a savings between them, even if
such fans enjoy a market. Maybe I never looked for them, but an air
circulator fan (ceiling fan)always has a bi-directional motor.

And if it came with the house, I would be looking to kick a
contractor's ass, especially in *that* town. I didn't think anything up
there was done '**** poor'.

Or maybe you never actually inspected the fan itself.
There are lots of cheap uni-directional fans on the market. $19.95
China specials. Usually only in white, but likely others out there.


But what idiot in their right mind, especially in greater SF would buy
or use such a cheap POS in a perm install?

I love our ceiling fan. My wife loves our ceiling fan. You don't like
our ceiling fan. Fortunately, you don't matter.

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:01:04 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
Gave us:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

What brand of fan did you buy that it does not reverse?

Can't recall. $40 at Home Depot. Works great.



That is silly.

And if you installed it, why would you install a fan that is so
sub-par?

It moves air nicely, looks good, and it's well balanced and quiet.
Nothing sub-par in sight.


There cannot be that great a savings between them, even if
such fans enjoy a market. Maybe I never looked for them, but an air
circulator fan (ceiling fan)always has a bi-directional motor.

And if it came with the house, I would be looking to kick a
contractor's ass, especially in *that* town. I didn't think anything up
there was done '**** poor'.

Or maybe you never actually inspected the fan itself.

I bought it and installed it. We use it maybe 5 nights a year, when
it's hot in San Francisco, which is rarely is.

We passed a big billboard this morning, downtown, right beside highway
101. It must cost a fortune. It's by Nest, the thermostat people. It
says, as I recall,

"San Francisco, get a NEST thermostat and save on your summer heating
bill."

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 23:00:21 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:01:04 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:39:33 -0700, John Larkin
Gave us:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:27:29 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

It's HOT, so I thought run the ceiling fan so the cool air comes across
the stone flooring and moves by me to be sucked up into the ceiling fan -
so I feel cooler. Fan is set to move air UP

Earlier I thought run the fan directly onto me gently moving air straight
at me, which is DOWN. But when I did that, after 10-15min felt hotter in
the room.

Just saw one of those home shows, says in winter run the fan to move air
UP so the hot air moves along the ceiling and down your walls. And, in the
summer run your fan DOWN, with NO explanation, except claiming that lowers
your temperature 4-5 degrees [which is impossible in a CLOSED system] and
save up to 40% on air conditioning [what planet do THEY live on?]

So my question is WHICH way is this !@#$#@ system designed for? UP or DOWN
air in the summer?

Mine doesn't reverse, it always blows down. I don't think the blades
can be switched.

We don't have a/c, so the only time we use the fan is when it's warm
at night. Works great.

What brand of fan did you buy that it does not reverse?

Can't recall. $40 at Home Depot. Works great.



That is silly.

And if you installed it, why would you install a fan that is so
sub-par?

It moves air nicely, looks good, and it's well balanced and quiet.
Nothing sub-par in sight.


There cannot be that great a savings between them, even if
such fans enjoy a market. Maybe I never looked for them, but an air
circulator fan (ceiling fan)always has a bi-directional motor.

And if it came with the house, I would be looking to kick a
contractor's ass, especially in *that* town. I didn't think anything up
there was done '**** poor'.

Or maybe you never actually inspected the fan itself.

I bought it and installed it. We use it maybe 5 nights a year, when
it's hot in San Francisco, which is rarely is.

We passed a big billboard this morning, downtown, right beside highway
101. It must cost a fortune. It's by Nest, the thermostat people. It
says, as I recall,

"San Francisco, get a NEST thermostat and save on your summer heating
bill."


Hey, it's famous already:

http://nancyfriedman.typepad.com/.a/...d2218a2970b-pi

"John Larkin" wrote in message


We passed a big billboard this morning, downtown, right beside highway
101. It must cost a fortune. It's by Nest, the thermostat people. It
says, as I recall,

"San Francisco, get a NEST thermostat and save on your summer heating
bill."



I used to get to SF 2-4 times a year, usually between October to May. I
tried to avoid July, BITTER cold!

My first experience with SF "summer" was in July, 1952. I was in the navy,
waiting to be shipped to Hawaii. There used to be a jazz club on Geary just
off Powell called - IIRC - Club Hangover. To this day, I remember turning
the corner off Powell and being met with a blast of arctic air. DAMP arctic
air.


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