Short Quiz:

COMMUNISM IS CREEPING IN ONE STEP AT A TIME, EXACTLY AS PLANNED.

Six trivia questions to see how much history you know. Be honest, it's
kinda fun and revealing. If you don't know the answer make your best
guess. Answer all the questions (no cheating) before looking at the
answers..
Who said it?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few,
by the few, and for the few...... And to replace it with shared
responsibility ,,,,,for shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We) .....can't just let business as usual go on, and that means
something has to be taken away from some people."

A. Nikita Khrushchev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to
give up a little bit of their own ... in order to create this common
ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the
most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Scroll down for answers

Answers
(1)
D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/29/2004
(2)
D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
5/29/2007
(3)
D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(4)
D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(5)
D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(6)
D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
9/2/2005
Wanna know something scary? She may be the next socialist
president if you don't forward this to everyone that you
know.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

Short Quiz:

COMMUNISM IS CREEPING IN ONE STEP AT A TIME, EXACTLY AS
PLANNED.

I don't know about communism but socialism sure is. here are a few
highlights from the socialists' platform from 100 years ago...
___________________

Socialists in 1912 had a strong platform upon which to base a campaign.

Here are some of the highlights from the Socialist Party Convention that
took place in Indianapolis-

Tax Reform-The adoption of a graduated income tax, the increase of the rates
of the present corporation tax and the extension of inheritance taxes..

(Of course, an income tax won't affect YOU, just a few of the rich)

Minimum Wage-By establishing minimum wage scales.

(That did a lot of good, didn't it? An end to poverty...)

Direct Election of President-The Election of the President and
Vice-President by direct vote of the people.

Social Insurance- ..a general system of insurance by the State of all its
members against unemployment and invalidism and a system of compulsory
insurance of their workers, without cost to the latter, against industrial
diseases, accidents and death.

(Hell, why limit it to "industrial"?)

Also in the platform was woman's suffrage, public ownership of utilities and
a shortened work day.

Much of this came to pass. Other aspects of this platform may still someday
be enacted.*
________________

* probably and unfortunately

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net



---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

On 12/24/2013 10:58 AM, dadiOH wrote:
I don't know about communism but socialism sure is. here are a few
highlights from the socialists' platform from 100 years ago...
___________________

Socialists in 1912 had a strong platform upon which to base a campaign.

Here are some of the highlights from the Socialist Party Convention that
took place in Indianapolis-

Tax Reform-The adoption of a graduated income tax, the increase of the rates
of the present corporation tax and the extension of inheritance taxes..

(Of course, an income tax won't affect YOU, just a few of the rich)

Minimum Wage-By establishing minimum wage scales.

(That did a lot of good, didn't it? An end to poverty...)

Direct Election of President-The Election of the President and
Vice-President by direct vote of the people.

Social Insurance- ..a general system of insurance by the State of all its
members against unemployment and invalidism and a system of compulsory
insurance of their workers, without cost to the latter, against industrial
diseases, accidents and death.

(Hell, why limit it to "industrial"?)

Also in the platform was woman's suffrage, public ownership of utilities and
a shortened work day.

Much of this came to pass. Other aspects of this platform may still someday
be enacted.*
________________

* probably and unfortunately


We're there! Everyone out of the car, to walk!

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 12/24/2013 12:40 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


Governments, federal, state and local taxed and saddled businesses with
a myriad of regulations written by bureaucrats to such a degree that
many businesses said "Frack This! We're going elsewhere and moving our
manufacturing to someplace where nobody screws with us." Then there were
some very big unions that also ran manufacturers out of the country. The
Chinese and other countries welcomed the businesses and those countries
copied our technology and decided to manufacture things themselves. All
that stuff has been and is still being shipped to America where
Americans buy all that stuff that used to be manufactured in America. So
all those dollars that once went to American manufacturers and American
workers are now going to China and other countries. Of course there is a
very big financial bubble forming in China which when it bursts, will
have far reaching consequences. o_O

TDD




Of course most of the Chinese stuff is being sold to Americans through
retailers such as Walmart and at a huge profit.

One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not realizing
that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it took ten days to
get here...even including shipping, it was about 1/10th the cost of
pretty much the same card I could have purchased at a local computer store.

On 12/24/2013 1:39 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/24/2013 12:40 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


Governments, federal, state and local taxed and saddled businesses
with a myriad of regulations written by bureaucrats to such a
degree that many businesses said "Frack This! We're going elsewhere
and moving our manufacturing to someplace where nobody screws with
us." Then there were some very big unions that also ran
manufacturers out of the country. The Chinese and other countries
welcomed the businesses and those countries copied our technology
and decided to manufacture things themselves. All that stuff has
been and is still being shipped to America where Americans buy all
that stuff that used to be manufactured in America. So all those
dollars that once went to American manufacturers and American
workers are now going to China and other countries. Of course there
is a very big financial bubble forming in China which when it
bursts, will have far reaching consequences. o_O

TDD

Of course most of the Chinese stuff is being sold to Americans
through retailers such as Walmart and at a huge profit.

One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not
realizing that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it
took ten days to get here...even including shipping, it was about
1/10th the cost of pretty much the same card I could have purchased
at a local computer store.

I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon and I'll get padded envelopes in the
mail where the small item was shipped from the big manufacturing hub of
China, Shenzhen. The stuff may be a few dollars but it's mailed all the
way from China to me at a very low cost. O_o

TDD

On 12/24/2013 2:39 PM, philo wrote:
One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not realizing
that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it took ten days to
get here...even including shipping, it was about 1/10th the cost of
pretty much the same card I could have purchased at a local computer store.

A very few ebay items come from Hong Kong.
I prefer those, even at slight higher expense.
But, yes, I've bought from China at least a
couple times.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 12/24/2013 05:02 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
ers such as Walmart and at a huge profit.

One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not
realizing that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it
took ten days to get here...even including shipping, it was about
1/10th the cost of pretty much the same card I could have purchased
at a local computer store.

I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon and I'll get padded envelopes in the
mail where the small item was shipped from the big manufacturing hub of
China, Shenzhen. The stuff may be a few dollars but it's mailed all the
way from China to me at a very low cost. O_o

TDD




I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including postage.

On 12/24/2013 05:32 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/24/2013 2:39 PM, philo wrote:
One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not realizing
that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it took ten days to
get here...even including shipping, it was about 1/10th the cost of
pretty much the same card I could have purchased at a local computer
store.

A very few ebay items come from Hong Kong.
I prefer those, even at slight higher expense.
But, yes, I've bought from China at least a
couple times.




The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

On 12/24/2013 5:50 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/24/2013 05:02 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
ers such as Walmart and at a huge profit.

One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not
realizing that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though
it took ten days to get here...even including shipping, it was
about 1/10th the cost of pretty much the same card I could have
purchased at a local computer store.

I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon and I'll get padded envelopes in
the mail where the small item was shipped from the big
manufacturing hub of China, Shenzhen. The stuff may be a few
dollars but it's mailed all the way from China to me at a very low
cost. O_o

TDD

I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including
postage.

Well heck, it's huge well oiled distribution machine and because so much
is being shipped, the economies of scale brings down costs. ^_^

TDD

On 12/24/2013 5:54 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/24/2013 05:32 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/24/2013 2:39 PM, philo wrote:
One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not
realizing that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it
took ten days to get here...even including shipping, it was about
1/10th the cost of pretty much the same card I could have
purchased at a local computer store.

A very few ebay items come from Hong Kong. I prefer those, even at
slight higher expense. But, yes, I've bought from China at least a
couple times.


The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is
just made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally
produced stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot
less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...

But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real
quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

That sounds like she was a star on Saturday Night Live. ^_^

TDD

On 12/24/2013 06:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot
less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...

But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real
quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

That sounds like she was a star on Saturday Night Live. ^_^

TDD




From what I hear they made a lot of fun of her.

On 12/24/2013 6:50 PM, philo wrote:


I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including postage.

Why does it cost $7 for me to mail a package
that costs a chinaman less than $5 including
the item?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:50:21 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 12/24/2013 05:02 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
ers such as Walmart and at a huge profit.

One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not
realizing that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it
took ten days to get here...even including shipping, it was about
1/10th the cost of pretty much the same card I could have purchased
at a local computer store.

I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon and I'll get padded envelopes in the
mail where the small item was shipped from the big manufacturing hub of
China, Shenzhen. The stuff may be a few dollars but it's mailed all the
way from China to me at a very low cost. O_o

TDD




I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including postage.

Yes, Deal Extreme has all sorts of cool junk, cheap. The last time I
ordered from them got me a little concerned though. Within a minute
of entering my order, I was getting spam and phishing emails from
someone who had obviously tapped into the "conversation". Nothing
ever came of it but I haven't been back.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:45:07 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:50 PM, philo wrote:


I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including postage.

Why does it cost $7 for me to mail a package
that costs a chinaman less than $5 including
the item?

FWIG, international shipping treaties. You don't think this is the
only way the US government subsidizes China Inc., do you? The
Democrats love it.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:46:08 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?

Lots of stuff. Manufacturing hasn't really fallen off, so much, as
that it hasn't grown with the economy, over the last couple of decades
but there is still a lot of high-value manufacturing going on here.

In article ,
wrote:


Lots of stuff. Manufacturing hasn't really fallen off, so much, as
that it hasn't grown with the economy, over the last couple of decades
but there is still a lot of high-value manufacturing going on here.

Interestingly recent study says that manufacturing itself has stayed the
same monetarily even after inflation (although you are correct about the
growth part). However employment has gone down in mfg because of the
rise of automation. We have lost more jobs to the robots than the
Chinese. (And before anyone trots out that old chestnut about losing
only low skilled jobs to the robots, I would note that the industry that
is usually thought to be among the most highly automated is the auto
industry.. and not many low paying jobs there. )
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On 12/25/2013 5:17 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
wrote:


Lots of stuff. Manufacturing hasn't really fallen off, so much,
as that it hasn't grown with the economy, over the last couple of
decades but there is still a lot of high-value manufacturing going
on here.

Interestingly recent study says that manufacturing itself has stayed
the same monetarily even after inflation (although you are correct
about the growth part). However employment has gone down in mfg
because of the rise of automation. We have lost more jobs to the
robots than the Chinese. (And before anyone trots out that old
chestnut about losing only low skilled jobs to the robots, I would
note that the industry that is usually thought to be among the most
highly automated is the auto industry.. and not many low paying jobs
there. )


I remember when Zenith bragged in their advertizing that the Zenith TV
was "Hand Crafted". It probably takes about 5 minutes to manufacture the
populated circuit board then solder it for a TV from all preloaded parts
on an automated production line. The humans are just plugging things in
and assembling the set. ^_^

TDD

On 12/24/2013 11:01 PM, wrote:

Lots of stuff. Manufacturing hasn't really fallen off, so much, as
that it hasn't grown with the economy, over the last couple of decades
but there is still a lot of high-value manufacturing going on here.


What has changed is the type of manufacturing. Small appliances,
electronics, cameras, have moved or were moving since the 1970's. More
recently are auto parts, small machined parts, tooling.

Typical US made tooling (cast/machined aluminum) for our industry is
$30,000 and eight weeks delivery. I can buy equal or better quality
from a couple of sources in China for $18,000 and 28 days delivery.

In spite of the shouts about cheap crap from China, it is possible to
buy well crafted high quality items too. A lot of the crap is made to
the specifications of a US importer looking for a fast buck.

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?

bigotry

In article , philo*
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 06:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot
less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...

But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real
quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

That sounds like she was a star on Saturday Night Live. ^_^

TDD




From what I hear they made a lot of fun of her.

she made it difficult not to

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:50 PM, philo wrote:


I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including postage.

Why does it cost $7 for me to mail a package
that costs a chinaman less than $5 including
the item?

because when Republicans kept making it easier to off-shore, one the the
best ways to help was to approve international shipping treaties, check
up how much money the have in China that isn't taxable

In article ,
"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:

In article , philo*
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 06:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot
less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...

But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real
quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

That sounds like she was a star on Saturday Night Live. ^_^

TDD




From what I hear they made a lot of fun of her.

she made it difficult not to

I see what you mean about the bigotry.....
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:32:26 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/24/2013 2:39 PM, philo wrote:

One day I bought a very cheap video capture card on eBay not realizing

that I was purchasing it directly from China. Though it took ten days to

get here...even including shipping, it was about 1/10th the cost of

pretty much the same card I could have purchased at a local computer store.



A very few ebay items come from Hong Kong.

I prefer those, even at slight higher expense.

But, yes, I've bought from China at least a

couple times.




You've bought from China more than you know.
Hong Kong is part of China. Just ask the British.





--

.

Christopher A. Young

Learn about Jesus

www.lds.org

.

On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:16:57 PM UTC-5, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
In article ,

Stormin Mormon wrote:



On 12/24/2013 6:50 PM, philo wrote:





I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including postage.



Why does it cost $7 for me to mail a package

that costs a chinaman less than $5 including

the item?



because when Republicans kept making it easier to off-shore, one the the

best ways to help was to approve international shipping treaties, check

up how much money the have in China that isn't taxable

Check out how much money US corporations would bring back to
the USA from overseas if the US didn't have one of the highest
corporate taxes in the world. But you libs would rather keep
bitching about that instead of lowering the tax rate. Imagine
if they had also had a one or two year special even lower tax
rate during the last 5 miserable years for companies that
brought that money back and put it to use in the USA. But
you libs would rather have the govt pick companies like
Solyndra as the places to invest and pour hundreds of billions
down make work public jobs.

On 12/25/2013 2:24 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:

In article , philo
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 06:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a
lot less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from
China...

But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia
real quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb
joke)

That sounds like she was a star on Saturday Night Live. ^_^

TDD

From what I hear they made a lot of fun of her.

she made it difficult not to

I see what you mean about the bigotry.....

The P.L.L.C.F. are terrified of her which why they so vociferously
attacked her with unrelenting calumny. If anyone said the things about
Hillary Clinton that were said about Sara Palin, the howling from the
main stream Liberal press would never cease. ^_^

TDD

On 12/25/2013 2:11 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?

bigotry

Do you mean your bigotry against people of faith. Most Mexicans are
devout Catholics so you should really hate them. The Muslims will behead
you if you insult their faith. So you should really remember who you
hate and who you support Malcom because it appears to change with every
post. ^_^

TDD

In article ,
" wrote:

On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:16:57 PM UTC-5, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
In article ,

Stormin Mormon wrote:



On 12/24/2013 6:50 PM, philo wrote:





I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including
postage.



Why does it cost $7 for me to mail a package

that costs a chinaman less than $5 including

the item?



because when Republicans kept making it easier to off-shore, one the the

best ways to help was to approve international shipping treaties, check

up how much money the have in China that isn't taxable

Check out how much money US corporations would bring back to
the USA from overseas if the US didn't have one of the highest
corporate taxes in the world. But you libs would rather keep
bitching about that instead of lowering the tax rate. Imagine
if they had also had a one or two year special even lower tax
rate during the last 5 miserable years for companies that
brought that money back and put it to use in the USA. But
you libs would rather have the govt pick companies like
Solyndra as the places to invest and pour hundreds of billions
down make work public jobs.

sure, that explains why the banks are flush with money but don't invest
in small business loans

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 12/25/2013 2:24 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:

In article , philo
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 06:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a
lot less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from
China...

But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia
real quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb
joke)

That sounds like she was a star on Saturday Night Live. ^_^

TDD

From what I hear they made a lot of fun of her.

she made it difficult not to

I see what you mean about the bigotry.....

The P.L.L.C.F. are terrified of her which why they so vociferously
attacked her with unrelenting calumny. If anyone said the things about
Hillary Clinton that were said about Sara Palin, the howling from the
main stream Liberal press would never cease. ^_^

TDD

who on earth was afraid of the caricature of her that she presented. but
let's turn around your statement: If anyone said things about Sara Palin
that are being said about Hillary Clinton, the howling from the main
stream Conservative press would never cease. wait a minute, it hasn't

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 12/25/2013 2:11 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?

bigotry

Do you mean your bigotry against people of faith.

more like the bigotry FROM people of faith...you are a person of faith,
aren't you?


Most Mexicans are
devout Catholics so you should really hate them.

nah, I leave that up to you devout Catholics to do


The Muslims will behead
you if you insult their faith.

just like you people of faith to be bigots about people who don't
believe in your particular brand of "faith"


So you should really remember who you
hate and who you support Malcom because it appears to change with every
post. ^_^

I don't hate anyone, anymore that krwless hates anyone...but that's
okay, isn't it?



TDD

On 12/24/2013 06:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?




The company I worked for was originally 100% American but was bought out
by a Japanese mfg. There were no changes for five years...then that
portion of the company was again bought out by a group of people
including the former CEO.


Everyone breathed a sigh of relief as we again became an American
company again.


The first thing they did was move one of our manufacturing plants to Mexico.


At a later date they bought out a European manufacturer and moved some
of it's production to the US.



It's all done completely by economics.


There is still plenty of manufacturing going on in the US,,,there may be
less of it now...but I assure you it's done more efficiently.

VIZ: Less people producing more product.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:16:57 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:50 PM, philo wrote:


I am amazed at how the stuff I buy from China is like $5 including postage.

Why does it cost $7 for me to mail a package
that costs a chinaman less than $5 including
the item?

because when Republicans kept making it easier to off-shore, one the the
best ways to help was to approve international shipping treaties, check
up how much money the have in China that isn't taxable

More proof that lefties are incapable of anything other than lies.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 06:17:12 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:


Lots of stuff. Manufacturing hasn't really fallen off, so much, as
that it hasn't grown with the economy, over the last couple of decades
but there is still a lot of high-value manufacturing going on here.

Interestingly recent study says that manufacturing itself has stayed the
same monetarily even after inflation (although you are correct about the
growth part). However employment has gone down in mfg because of the
rise of automation. We have lost more jobs to the robots than the
Chinese. (And before anyone trots out that old chestnut about losing
only low skilled jobs to the robots, I would note that the industry that
is usually thought to be among the most highly automated is the auto
industry.. and not many low paying jobs there. )

Sure, but the issue is really the cost of doing business. Tax and
employment rules force this issue. High-value manufacturing can
afford robotics, where low-value manufacturing is forced off-shore.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:46:35 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 12/24/2013 11:01 PM, wrote:

Lots of stuff. Manufacturing hasn't really fallen off, so much, as
that it hasn't grown with the economy, over the last couple of decades
but there is still a lot of high-value manufacturing going on here.


What has changed is the type of manufacturing. Small appliances,
electronics, cameras, have moved or were moving since the 1970's. More
recently are auto parts, small machined parts, tooling.

There are still appliances being manufactured here. There is also a
significant amount of electronics being done here, just not in the
mass-market or consumer space. The same for machined parts.

Typical US made tooling (cast/machined aluminum) for our industry is
$30,000 and eight weeks delivery. I can buy equal or better quality
from a couple of sources in China for $18,000 and 28 days delivery.

Sure, but for small jobs there is still a business, here.

In spite of the shouts about cheap crap from China, it is possible to
buy well crafted high quality items too. A lot of the crap is made to
the specifications of a US importer looking for a fast buck.

In my last job, we found it impossible to keep the quality high
(though had little choice but to try). The Chinese manufacturers
would make some great samples, built to spec. The manufactured parts
were just junk and not even wired the same way. Because of the
timing, we were forced to completely rebuild the widgets. It was a
major cost and we likely lost money on the whole thing but they were
needed to support our main product.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 16:14:46 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 12/25/2013 2:11 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?

bigotry

Do you mean your bigotry against people of faith. Most Mexicans are
devout Catholics so you should really hate them. The Muslims will behead
you if you insult their faith. So you should really remember who you
hate and who you support Malcom because it appears to change with every
post. ^_^

That's how pathological liars, like Malformed, work.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:45:55 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 12/25/2013 2:24 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:

In article , philo
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 06:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a
lot less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from
China...

But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia
real quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb
joke)

That sounds like she was a star on Saturday Night Live. ^_^

TDD

From what I hear they made a lot of fun of her.

she made it difficult not to

I see what you mean about the bigotry.....

The P.L.L.C.F. are terrified of her which why they so vociferously
attacked her with unrelenting calumny. If anyone said the things about
Hillary Clinton that were said about Sara Palin, the howling from the
main stream Liberal press would never cease. ^_^

TDD

who on earth was afraid of the caricature of her that she presented. but
let's turn around your statement: If anyone said things about Sara Palin
that are being said about Hillary Clinton, the howling from the main
stream Conservative press would never cease. wait a minute, it hasn't

More proof that you lefties are capable of nothing but lies.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:50:52 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 12/25/2013 2:11 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?

bigotry

Do you mean your bigotry against people of faith.

more like the bigotry FROM people of faith...you are a person of faith,
aren't you?

Another demonstration that you're incapable of anything but lying.

Most Mexicans are
devout Catholics so you should really hate them.

nah, I leave that up to you devout Catholics to do


The Muslims will behead
you if you insult their faith.

just like you people of faith to be bigots about people who don't
believe in your particular brand of "faith"

More leftist lies. You, once again, prove that lying is all you're
capable of doing.

So you should really remember who you
hate and who you support Malcom because it appears to change with every
post. ^_^

I don't hate anyone, anymore that krwless hates anyone...but that's
okay, isn't it?

Again, you're lying but it is all you can do.

On 12/26/2013 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 16:14:46 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 12/25/2013 2:11 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article , Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the
stuff is just made in China anyway...however I do try to buy
as much locally produced stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a
lot less so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from
China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia
real quick and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb
joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is made in
America, now?

bigotry

Do you mean your bigotry against people of faith. Most Mexicans
are devout Catholics so you should really hate them. The Muslims
will behead you if you insult their faith. So you should really
remember who you hate and who you support Malcom because it appears
to change with every post. ^_^

That's how pathological liars, like Malformed, work.

I actually believe that Malcom, the P.L.L.C.F. bot was programed to be
schizophrenic. ^_^

TDD

On 12/24/2013 07:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/24/2013 6:54 PM, philo wrote:

The way I figure is simply that if you "buy American" the stuff is just
made in China anyway...however I do try to buy as much locally produced
stuff as I possibly can...

and since the trees have grown around here, I am gardening a lot less
so depend on the local farmer's market.

Not real likely I'll be buying my fresh vegetables from China...


But dang, Were I Sarah Palin I could just pop over to Russia real quick
and get 'em there. (Don't freak out , just a dumb joke)

Other than Mexicans and Muslims, wonder what really is
made in America, now?


Benchmade and some Spyderco pocketknives

Hein-Werner (used to be Lincoln) floor jacks

Snap-On, S-K and *some* Craftsman hand tools

off the top of my head...

the reassuring thing is, that most of the products I listed above *do*
seem to be of acceptable quality especially when compared to offshore
equivalents. I hope that that continues to be the case.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

In article ,
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:46:35 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 12/24/2013 11:01 PM, wrote:

Lots of stuff. Manufacturing hasn't really fallen off, so much, as
that it hasn't grown with the economy, over the last couple of decades
but there is still a lot of high-value manufacturing going on here.


What has changed is the type of manufacturing. Small appliances,
electronics, cameras, have moved or were moving since the 1970's. More
recently are auto parts, small machined parts, tooling.

There are still appliances being manufactured here. There is also a
significant amount of electronics being done here, just not in the
mass-market or consumer space. The same for machined parts.

Typical US made tooling (cast/machined aluminum) for our industry is
$30,000 and eight weeks delivery. I can buy equal or better quality
from a couple of sources in China for $18,000 and 28 days delivery.

Sure, but for small jobs there is still a business, here.

In spite of the shouts about cheap crap from China, it is possible to
buy well crafted high quality items too. A lot of the crap is made to
the specifications of a US importer looking for a fast buck.

In my last job, we found it impossible to keep the quality high
(though had little choice but to try). The Chinese manufacturers
would make some great samples, built to spec. The manufactured parts
were just junk and not even wired the same way. Because of the
timing, we were forced to completely rebuild the widgets. It was a
major cost and we likely lost money on the whole thing but they were
needed to support our main product.

just got to love how that free market worked for you