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I'm getting a used trailer house for guests and storage on my farm.
From past experience I found that trailer houses attract mice. Once they get into the insulation under the floor, the damage begins. I considered covering the entire underside of the trailer with sheet steel, but it would be very costly, and probably difficult to install too. Someone said they knew someone who used window screen and said it worked, but that they had to regularly check for loose edges because mice and other critters would loosen it. I got to thinking about that 1/4" hardware cloth. That stuff is comparable in price to window screen, but much more durable. Probably easier to attach too, because it can be nailed with roofing nails, not just staples, and it can be folded at the edges to go under the skirting flange along the edges of the trailer. Plus, it can be screwed in place in spots where it might need to be removed, such as by pipes. And it can be wired together if there is no solid wood in spots, along seams. Plus, I'm sure it will last much longer than screen. The question is whether mice can get thru the 1/4" holes. I know they can manage to get into small holes, but that size seems to be a little too small. Has anyone tried this? Any other suggestions? Thanks |
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Gunn,
While I have no idea what size the mice and voles get to be at your place I suspect that 1/4" will be ok. If you are't sure, they have finer mesh wire cloths. Wire cloth is sold in 2' wide rolls here. That seems narrow for this task. Dave M. |
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:28:01 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I'm getting a used trailer house... Where I'm from they call this a camper...what you need to do is caulk all the areas where plumbing and wires go through the floor. Using mesh would be a daunting task and a nightmare to maintain. |
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... I'm getting a used trailer house for guests and storage on my farm. . . . I got to thinking about that 1/4" hardware cloth. That stuff is comparable in price to window screen, but much more durable. . . . The question is whether mice can get thru the 1/4" holes. Mesh size is less important than what the netting is made of. Mice happily nibble through plastic and nylon (hard or soft), but not through metal flyscreen sheet. (They could if they tried, but presumably the first bite on metal dissuades them in ways nylon/plastic do not.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On 10/16/2013 04:28 AM, wrote:
The question is whether mice can get thru the 1/4" holes. I know they can manage to get into small holes, but that size seems to be a little too small. Has anyone tried this? Any other suggestions? I haven't tried it but I did a Google search to find mouse measurements. The most relevant page I found was this one that shows the measurements of mouse skulls. http://craniofacial.jax.org/characteristics.html In the measurements this guy made, the minimum height and width of an 8 week old mouse of the types he measured was a female of one of the types that appeared to me (by subtracting the +/- from the average) to have a skull height of around 8.6 mm and a width of around 9.7 mm, with most mice being a bit larger than that. Maybe something else in the mouse is more limiting than the skull size, though they seem to be pretty good at squeezing their bodies into small spaces. 1/4 inch = 6.35 mm. Could a mouse get through that? Maybe one younger than 8 weeks could. Maybe a strong one that could bow out the wire a bit could. Maybe a smart one that found an irregularity in the mesh could. Or maybe not. I would think that the vast majority of mice couldn't get through but the margin of error here seems to me to be such that you wouldn't be 100% guaranteed to exclude every one of them. Alan http://web.ncsu.edu/abstract/science...ouse-a-pirate/ |
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IGot2P wrote:
No, they can't get through a 1/4" square but chances are they will get through the seams as the hardware cloth that I am familiar with only comes in widths of approximately 2' and how you could make the seams "mouse proof" is beyond me. I got a roll of 4' wide 1/4" hardware cloth in my garage, so 2' is not the limit. |
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:16:57 AM UTC-4, Bob_Villa wrote:
On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:28:01 AM UTC-5, wrote: I'm getting a used trailer house... Where I'm from they call this a camper... No, this is far more than a camper. It's up to 14' wide and up to 70' long. They also call them "single wides" and they're very common in "redneck" culture. These are the kinds of homes you see in a "trailer park" right before the tornado hits. Closely related to the "double wide" trailer, about which a popular country song was written. |
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On 10/16/2013 02:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
1/4" should keep them out, but you could go to 1/8". They both seem to be made in 48" widths. According to my calculations based on mouse skull size, 1/4" should keep out all but the very young, very strong (enough to deform the wire) or very smart (enough to find an irregularity if there is one) mice. But I see no conceivable way any of them could wiggle through 1/8". Alan |
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:02:18 AM UTC-7, philo* wrote:
On 10/16/2013 03:28 AM, wrote: I'm getting a used trailer house for guests and storage on my farm. From past experience I found that trailer houses attract mice. Once they get into the insulation under the floor, the damage begins. I considered covering the entire underside of the trailer with sheet steel, but it would be very costly, and probably difficult to install too. Someone said they knew someone who used window screen and said it worked, but that they had to regularly check for loose edges because mice and other critters would loosen it. I got to thinking about that 1/4" hardware cloth. That stuff is comparable in price to window screen, but much more durable. Probably easier to attach too, because it can be nailed with roofing nails, not just staples, and it can be folded at the edges to go under the skirting flange along the edges of the trailer. Plus, it can be screwed in place in spots where it might need to be removed, such as by pipes. And it can be wired together if there is no solid wood in spots, along seams. Plus, I'm sure it will last much longer than screen. The question is whether mice can get thru the 1/4" holes. I know they can manage to get into small holes, but that size seems to be a little too small. Has anyone tried this? Any other suggestions? Thanks I assure you they will easily be able to get through that... even if the holes are small they will easily expand the size and come through. I had a mouse problem a while back with my own house and used that expandable foam insulation to fill the holes. Never had a mouse again. I used the same stuff to plug up holes in concrete block where pipes used to run. 8" thick by 8x8". Mouse hole appeared almost instantly in all of them. Harry K |
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On 10/16/2013 03:09 PM, Harry K wrote:
snip I assure you they will easily be able to get through that... even if the holes are small they will easily expand the size and come through. I had a mouse problem a while back with my own house and used that expandable foam insulation to fill the holes. Never had a mouse again. I used the same stuff to plug up holes in concrete block where pipes used to run. 8" thick by 8x8". Mouse hole appeared almost instantly in all of them. Harry K Yes, considering they can gnaw through wood and even concrete, that expandable foam would be very easy to gnaw through. In my situation I was lucky in that once there were no visible holes anywhere they left me alone. In my neighborhood, there must have been plenty of other easy to access areas. |
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Forget the hardware cloth, you just need to elevate your guest quarters a bit.
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On 10/16/2013 07:39 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
snip Someone else mentioned the expandable foam. I've had good luck using that to seal holes where pipes etc come in. Another suggestion would be the good old smelly moth balls. Supposedly mice don't like the smell of them any better than we do. I put moth balls out in our barn. That seems to keep even the skunks out. That was me...and it worked...but someone else mentioned it did no good for them. |
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On 10/16/2013 3:03 PM, Alan Meyer wrote:
On 10/16/2013 02:57 PM, Bob F wrote: 1/4" should keep them out, but you could go to 1/8". They both seem to be made in 48" widths. According to my calculations based on mouse skull size, 1/4" should keep out all but the very young, very strong (enough to deform the wire) or very smart (enough to find an irregularity if there is one) mice. But I see no conceivable way any of them could wiggle through 1/8". Alan Heck, around here, The rats and even the mice carry wire cutters. ^_^ TDD |
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:13 -0700, "Bob F" wrote:
IGot2P wrote: No, they can't get through a 1/4" square but chances are they will get through the seams as the hardware cloth that I am familiar with only comes in widths of approximately 2' and how you could make the seams "mouse proof" is beyond me. I got a roll of 4' wide 1/4" hardware cloth in my garage, so 2' is not the limit. Yes, they do sell 4' wide rolls. I checked online and called a few stores today. It's cheaper to buy a 100 foot roll, which I'd need two rolls plus another 25 feet or so. I wish they made it 6 foot wide though. Of course I'll use metal. I know mice can and do chew thru all plastics. For the seams, I figure putting some sort of metal strapping, such as flattened drywall corner bead, or mayb some of that metal stuff used for banding together square metal duct work. And there are numerous strips made for edging roofs which are galvanized and fairly cheap. I believe they are called drip edges. Either way, I'm sure it will be a pain in the ass to install, but worth the time and cost if it keeps mice out. It's hard to imagine that a small mouse can do so much damage, not to mention I cant stand having them in the house. And yes, I do have several barn cats, and still see lots of mice. I was told that female cats are better mousers, and all my barn cats are females except for two young male kittens that one of them had. Those will either be neutered, or found another home, to eliminate having many litters of kittens yearly. Of course there is always a feral tom cat who comes along anyhow. I cant keep cats indoors though. That litter odor is something I cant handle, even thought I like the cats. |
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There is no way they're getting through 1/4 inch mesh. That's plenty small enough.
If you leave any gaps though they'll find them, or pry them open bigger. 1/2 inch is like a highway to them. Something you may not have thought of: You're probably using several different metals, outside in a moist atmosphere. There may be steel nails, aluminum screen, copper pipes and wire, metal siding, etc. Any time two different metals are connected you have the potential (pun) for galvanic corrosion. You can eat a hole surprisingly fast. http://corrosion.ksc.nasa.gov/galcorr.htm |
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:03:08 -0400, Alan Meyer
wrote: On 10/16/2013 04:28 AM, wrote: The question is whether mice can get thru the 1/4" holes. I know they can manage to get into small holes, but that size seems to be a little too small. Has anyone tried this? Any other suggestions? I haven't tried it but I did a Google search to find mouse measurements. Minnie Mouse's measurements were 6 1/4 - 4 - 5. But they played that down in most of her movies. |
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On 10/17/2013 9:02 AM, micky wrote:
Minnie Mouse's measurements were 6 1/4 - 4 - 5. But they played that down in most of her movies. As I remember, Micky, you had a crush on Minnie? .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On 10/16/2013 11:03 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 10/16/2013 3:03 PM, Alan Meyer wrote: On 10/16/2013 02:57 PM, Bob F wrote: 1/4" should keep them out, but you could go to 1/8". They both seem to be made in 48" widths. According to my calculations based on mouse skull size, 1/4" should keep out all but the very young, very strong (enough to deform the wire) or very smart (enough to find an irregularity if there is one) mice. But I see no conceivable way any of them could wiggle through 1/8". Alan Heck, around here, The rats and even the mice carry wire cutters. ^_^ TDD As one who has had mice...I assure you they can get through almost anything. Even if the hole is seemingly too small to get through, they will gnaw or force it open if they want to get in. The best way is to /not/ have any holes at all that could draw their attention. If there is not a hole, they may not smell potential food inside. BTW: I think I might have used fine steel wool to plug the holes I had prior to the use of foam. |
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:34:47 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 10/17/2013 9:02 AM, micky wrote: I haven't tried it but I did a Google search to find mouse measurements. Minnie Mouse's measurements were 6 1/4 - 4 - 5. But they played that down in most of her movies. As I remember, Micky, you had a crush on Minnie? Good one. I didnt' even think of that. That was my cousin, Micky Mouse. I'm Micky Lion. . Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org . |
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On 10/17/2013 9:07 AM, philo wrote:
On 10/16/2013 11:03 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 10/16/2013 3:03 PM, Alan Meyer wrote: On 10/16/2013 02:57 PM, Bob F wrote: 1/4" should keep them out, but you could go to 1/8". They both seem to be made in 48" widths. According to my calculations based on mouse skull size, 1/4" should keep out all but the very young, very strong (enough to deform the wire) or very smart (enough to find an irregularity if there is one) mice. But I see no conceivable way any of them could wiggle through 1/8". Alan Heck, around here, The rats and even the mice carry wire cutters. ^_^ TDD As one who has had mice...I assure you they can get through almost anything. Even if the hole is seemingly too small to get through, they will gnaw or force it open if they want to get in. The best way is to /not/ have any holes at all that could draw their attention. If there is not a hole, they may not smell potential food inside. BTW: I think I might have used fine steel wool to plug the holes I had prior to the use of foam. Some years ago when I had a business, there was a problem with rats and mice in my warehouse. I put out rat traps for the rats and round plastic ant bait containers. The ants ate the peanut butter off the rat traps and the rats and mice ate the ant bait. I tuned the rat traps until the things had a hair trigger. One day, I found a mouse caught in one of the big traps. The bar came down on its hind quarters and the look on mouse's face was hysterical. Its mouth was wide open and I could imagine it screaming "AHHHHHHHH!" ^_^ TDD |
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micky wrote:
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 03:28:01 -0500, wrote: The question is whether mice can get thru the 1/4" holes. I know they can manage to get into small holes, but that size seems to be a little too small. Has anyone tried this? Any other suggestions? Thanks How big are baby mice when they leave home? And what if their home is your home? |
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:38:07 -0700, "Bob F" wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:13 -0700, "Bob F" wrote: IGot2P wrote: No, they can't get through a 1/4" square but chances are they will get through the seams as the hardware cloth that I am familiar with only comes in widths of approximately 2' and how you could make the seams "mouse proof" is beyond me. I got a roll of 4' wide 1/4" hardware cloth in my garage, so 2' is not the limit. Yes, they do sell 4' wide rolls. I checked online and called a few stores today. It's cheaper to buy a 100 foot roll, which I'd need two rolls plus another 25 feet or so. I wish they made it 6 foot wide though. Of course I'll use metal. I know mice can and do chew thru all plastics. For the seams, I figure putting some sort of metal strapping, such as flattened drywall corner bead, You can just stich the seams together with small hard wire, like fine baling wire. Or you could build a frame of 1x2 with the appropriate spacing, nail it to the bottom, and staple the hardware cloth to that. That would help electrically isolate the cloth from other metals is might contact to avoid corrosion problems. You could also fold the cloth over the edges of that frame if needed to keep the mice away from the wood. For stitching, just bend the end of the wire into a curve, and loop it up through the two layers and back out every few inches. Then stretch it tight from the ends. That sounds like a plan..... I just got an email back from a company that I contacted, and they can special order 60 inch wide rolls of this stuff. I like that idea, less seams to contend with. There is really no way to electrically isolate the mesh from the frame, because the trailers all have metal beams under them, and the mesh will have to be pushed over the top of these beams by lifting the "belly", which is the insulation. I do intend to fold the cloth over the edges of the frame, and attach it along the edges of the walls where the skirting goes. That way it's sealed all the way around. |
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:34:47 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 10/17/2013 9:02 AM, micky wrote: Minnie Mouse's measurements were 6 1/4 - 4 - 5. But they played that down in most of her movies. As I remember, Micky, you had a crush on Minnie? Oh, hell no. He's ****in' Goofy. |
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On 10/17/2013 7:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:34:47 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 10/17/2013 9:02 AM, micky wrote: Minnie Mouse's measurements were 6 1/4 - 4 - 5. But they played that down in most of her movies. As I remember, Micky, you had a crush on Minnie? Oh, hell no. He's ****in' Goofy. Ah, love that double entendre. Thanks for the laugh. .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:51:06 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Oh, hell no. He's ****in' Goofy. Ah, love that double entendre. Thanks for the laugh. Definitely not Stormy...bottom posted and expressed the cognition of "2X entendre"! WTF! |
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You should definitely not use sexual inuendo.
Why, the bible says.... hellbound is he who is into S and M. The modern perverse world whips up the passions. (that better?) .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. On 10/17/2013 8:16 PM, Bob_Villa wrote: On Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:51:06 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: Oh, hell no. He's ****in' Goofy. Ah, love that double entendre. Thanks for the laugh. Definitely not Stormy...bottom posted and expressed the cognition of "2X entendre"! WTF! |
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT), Bob_Villa
wrote: On Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:51:06 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: Oh, hell no. He's ****in' Goofy. Ah, love that double entendre. Thanks for the laugh. Definitely not Stormy...bottom posted and expressed the cognition of "2X entendre"! WTF! Yet some believe the OP is not Home Guy, and they never saw him change his moniker in THIS SAME EXACT thread. Home Guy hates America, but then comes here to ask for advice he can find out otherwise. Amazing! Brighten up. -- "As someone who is dumb, you’re very biased." -- Gavin McInnes |
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Oren wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT), Bob_Villa wrote: On Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:51:06 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: Oh, hell no. He's ****in' Goofy. Ah, love that double entendre. Thanks for the laugh. Definitely not Stormy...bottom posted and expressed the cognition of "2X entendre"! WTF! Yet some believe the OP is not Home Guy, and they never saw him change his moniker in THIS SAME EXACT thread. Home Guy hates America, but then comes here to ask for advice he can find out otherwise. Amazing! Brighten up. I can't believe how many don't see it. I can spot home boi just by the nic ever time |
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I assure you they will easily be able to get through that... BS. A mouse canNOT fit through a 1/4" hole. even if the holes are small they will easily expand the size and come through. Possibly they can chew through the wires. More likely, they'll look for something easier, somewhere else. I had a mouse problem a while back with my own house and used that expandable foam insulation to fill the holes. Never had a mouse again. You're just a fountain of bad advice today. Mice will chew through that stuff in seconds. If you really want to stuff a crevice with something to keep mice out, use steel wool. |
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philo* wrote in :
On 10/16/2013 07:39 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote: snip Someone else mentioned the expandable foam. I've had good luck using that to seal holes where pipes etc come in. Another suggestion would be the good old smelly moth balls. Supposedly mice don't like the smell of them any better than we do. I put moth balls out in our barn. That seems to keep even the skunks out. That was me...and it worked...but someone else mentioned it did no good for them. Specific foam for mice & pests. http://greatstuff.dow.com/products/pestblock/ GREAT STUFF™ Pestblock is the bitter-tasting foam sealant that blocks critters and bugs – from spiders and ants to mice and rats – from entering your home through gaps, cracks and holes. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 10/17/2013 9:02 AM, micky wrote: Minnie Mouse's measurements were 6 1/4 - 4 - 5. But they played that down in most of her movies. As I remember, Micky, you had a crush on Minnie? . Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org . I wonder if Minnie was ever slipped a Micky. |
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I haven't seen the new Pestblock expanding foam yet at my local Menards and Home Depot. Sounds like just the thing to use though.
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