Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:









Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite







This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.




J Young


Honesty. Decency. Integrity

In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

On May 24, 5:36*am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.

In article ,
J wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:









Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite







This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

On Thu, 23 May 2013 20:54:56 -0700
J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

In the USA, because judges are elected, one could argue for the
likelihood of said agenda being "re-election."

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"I have made good judgements in the past. I have made good judgements
in the future."
-- Dan Quayle

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me, but
it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy Scouts
as they do. The organization is defective and needs new leadership
that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of its membership.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists."
-- Dan Quayle

On 5/23/2013 9:38 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's a start. I think a good start. But it's ultimately doomed to either
be expanded to allow gay leaders, or to go back to not allowing openly
gay youth as Scouts. As it stands, a gay young man can be a great Scout
until he turns 18, at which point he is, what, not a great Scout?

I hope the internal pressure of this contradiction will lead to opening
Scouting to gay adult leaders under the same regime of behavior expected
of straight leader. Time will tell.

BTW, FWIW, I am straight, an Eagle Scout, member of the Order of the
Arrow, and was an assistant Scoutmaster. I love me some Scouting, and
wish only that it will be open to anyone who wants to take part in it
under the guidance of the Laws and the Promise.

On 5/23/2013 11:50 PM, harry wrote:
On May 24, 5:36 am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.

Nope. They already had that access. Now the rules will be more strictly
enforced, and that will mean fewer straight pedophiles in Scouting.

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.


Is that a new definition of bigot ?
Or is that the PC one ?

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234032.071f34029fd9745d79937b38@fidem turbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 20:54:56 -0700
J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

In the USA, because judges are elected, one could argue for the
likelihood of said agenda being "re-election."


Some are, some are not
Would you like to try again ?

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fidem turbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me, but
it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy Scouts
as they do. The organization is defective and needs new leadership
that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of its membership.


You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet your
standards.

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of people who
join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet the critics' standards.

"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
...
On 5/23/2013 11:50 PM, harry wrote:
On May 24, 5:36 am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.

Nope. They already had that access. Now the rules will be more strictly
enforced, and that will mean fewer straight pedophiles in Scouting.



Ironic that by definition an individual attracted to someone of the same sex
is NOT "straight".
But hey, let's not let little details like that get in the way.

Fidem ?B?VHVyYsSBcmUs?= the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote in
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fidem turbare.com:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...y-scouts-vote-
to- lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me, but
it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy Scouts
as they do.


It doesn't really matter.

The BSA has been shrinking for decades
and it will continue to shrink.

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02...-at-100-years/

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:

In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

Hopefully, this will cause the extremist bigoted religionists to quit, so the
next vote will bring them fully into the 21st century.

Ben

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:50:24 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On May 24, 5:36*am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.


It seems like they've had pretty good access under the homophobic rules.

Call A Baptist Pastor Immediately If You've Experienced The Following
Secret Invitation:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0101/shake.html

Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

--
PV

In Pierre Trudeau, Canada has finally produced
a Prime Minister worthy of assassination.
- Irving Layton

On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:11:07 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fide mturbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me, but
it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy Scouts
as they do. The organization is defective and needs new leadership
that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of its membership.


You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet your
standards.

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of people who
join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet the critics' standards.



What a bunch of homophobics. Being a former boy scout myself many
years ago, we didn't think about it then and for all I know, perhaps
some were gay then but were in the closet. So now it's just more
official, that's all. For me, as long as they keep their hands off,
let it be.

Now taking to the next level, what do we do with transgenders wanting
to be in the boy scouts? That's where I have a problem deciding.

On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:12:26 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
...
On 5/23/2013 11:50 PM, harry wrote:
On May 24, 5:36 am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.

Nope. They already had that access. Now the rules will be more strictly
enforced, and that will mean fewer straight pedophiles in Scouting.



Ironic that by definition an individual attracted to someone of the same sex
is NOT "straight".
But hey, let's not let little details like that get in the way.


Little details like "straight" is a homonym, and under the applicable definition
of heterosexual, asexuals are also "not straight."

"PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net wrote in
:

Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-scouts-vote-t
o- lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts change to accommodate those that choose atheism?


The BSA is per se a religious institution
so I don't know how they could be forced to
accept atheists.

Doug wrote:
Now taking to the next level, what do we do with transgenders wanting
to be in the boy scouts? That's where I have a problem deciding.

"We" don't do anything, it's for the Boy Scouts to decide.

PV wrote:
Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

They ought to change, they are not required to change. It's sort of
like those country clubs that only accept whites.

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:

In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD

Jeanne, why do you say they are still bigoted? Is it because you
weren't allowed to join because of what you have between your legs? Or
was it because of what you don't have between your ears?

Tom McDonald wrote:

Nope. They already had that access. Now the rules will be more strictly
enforced, and that will mean fewer straight pedophiles in Scouting.

If you must have pedophiles in Scouting, you probably want nothing but
straight pedophiles, in the Boy Scouts where they have no girls to
diddle, and also in the Girl Scouts where they have no boys to diddle.

Tom McDonald wrote:
It's a start. I think a good start. But it's ultimately doomed to either
be expanded to allow gay leaders, or to go back to not allowing openly
gay youth as Scouts. As it stands, a gay young man can be a great Scout
until he turns 18, at which point he is, what, not a great Scout?

I don't think so. Getting Eagle Scout, they can't take it away from
you, anymore than they could take away Bubba's status as a Rhodes Scholar.

On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:20:46 -0600, "PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net
wrote:

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

Yet another stupid, nasty, lying theist.

Did the moron "choose" not to believe in Santa Claus?

On 05/24/2013 08:20 AM, PV wrote:

[snip]

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?


Atheism is simply the state of NOT being afflicted by a debilitating
condition. It is NOT a choice, the same way NOT having Alzheimer's
disease isn't a choice.

--
"The world is in need of less religion and more common sense." [Llewelyn
Powys, "Celsus and Origen"]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:20:45 -0500
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:
Fidem ?B?VHVyYsSBcmUs?= the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote in
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fidem turbare.com:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...y-scouts-vote-
to- lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me, but
it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy
Scouts as they do.


It doesn't really matter.

The BSA has been shrinking for decades
and it will continue to shrink.

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02...-at-100-years/

Do you think "appeal to a larger audience" might have had any influence
on how some of the members voted?

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Homosexuals are not a carpeting flaw. The gay community does not
tolerate shoddy fabrics."
-- W. Godfrey (April 10, 2012; reflecting on Cardinal George Pell's
comparison of God's Creations and Asian Carpetry flaws as a
metaphorical explanation of homosexuality)

In article ,
Not X wrote:

On 05/24/2013 08:20 AM, PV wrote:

[snip]

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?


Atheism is simply the state of NOT being afflicted by a debilitating
condition. It is NOT a choice, the same way NOT having Alzheimer's
disease isn't a choice.

I get a kick out of atheists who out religious the religious.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

On 5/24/2013 7:12 AM, Attila Iskander wrote:
"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
...
On 5/23/2013 11:50 PM, harry wrote:
On May 24, 5:36 am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-

lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.

Nope. They already had that access. Now the rules will be more
strictly enforced, and that will mean fewer straight pedophiles in
Scouting.



Ironic that by definition an individual attracted to someone of the same
sex is NOT "straight".
But hey, let's not let little details like that get in the way.

OK, what's your definition of men who sexually abuse prepubescent and
young pubescent boys preferentially, who otherwise are heterosexual
(i.e. don't have or want to have sex with sexually mature men), and are
almost always married to women?

Gay men are not attracted to prepubescent and pubescent boys at a
greater rate than are, let's say, otherwise straight men.

Or are you sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex no matter
how young they are?

On Fri, 24 May 2013 05:44:32 -0500
Tom McDonald wrote:
On 5/23/2013 9:38 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's a start. I think a good start. But it's ultimately doomed to
either be expanded to allow gay leaders, or to go back to not
allowing openly gay youth as Scouts. As it stands, a gay young man
can be a great Scout until he turns 18, at which point he is, what,
not a great Scout?

South Park, the educational TV satire, did an excellent episode on the
Boy Scouts and featured a character named "Big Gay Al" as the scout
leader. He was an excellent role model, the kids enjoyed learning
under his guidance, and the parents were happy that their kids were
being taught well and having fun. Then the upper management discovered
that "Big Gay Al" is a homosexual, and so they kicked him out and
replaced him with a masochistic and apparently-straight man who started
taking pictures of the children.

The contrast was well presented, and it seems the main point South Park
made overall was that discriminating against homosexuality isn't a
tactic that solves or prevents problems.

I hope the internal pressure of this contradiction will lead to
opening Scouting to gay adult leaders under the same regime of
behavior expected of straight leader. Time will tell.

The fact that 39% voted against homosexuality (it shouldn't even have
been a vote in the first place) very likely indicates that this issue
will be the centre of conflict for the Boy Scouts again in the future.

BTW, FWIW, I am straight, an Eagle Scout, member of the Order of the
Arrow, and was an assistant Scoutmaster. I love me some Scouting, and
wish only that it will be open to anyone who wants to take part in it
under the guidance of the Laws and the Promise.

That seems rational and reasonable to me.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"As the Catholic church becomes more and more tolerant, some day they
will have to consider the possibility of a gay pope. Possibly the
largest issue will be having to decide whether he is 'absolutely
divine' or 'just simply marvellous.'"
-- Unknown

On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:20:46 -0600
"PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net wrote:
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

Sexual orientation is not a choice,

That's not entirely true. Some people "choose to experiment" and, of
them, some find that they enjoy it. However, I do agree that sexual
orientation tends to be a "built-in characteristic" for many people.

however atheism is, so why must Scouts change to accommodate those
that choose atheism?

Atheism is a state of nature. Theism is a choice that diverts from
natural human integrity, and those who abandon all "faith" have simply
"reverted" to atheism.

In fact, the Boy Scouts do accept atheist members, with the hopes of
these young children diverting to their flavour of theism, just like
most churches do.

I view the Boy Scouts as a unique type of church that focuses on a lot
of outdoor activities with an emphasis on survival, and distinctly
places a greater importance on the chain of command. It's not known to
be extreme like Scientology, which has a strong Navy flavour, but there
is a serious religious component that makes it fit a church paradigm
albeit without so much preaching and brainwashing (theism is not
pressed nearly as hard because they have a lot of other things to do,
and so theism tends to be regarded more as "a fact of life").

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
-- Richard P. Feynman

On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:08:55 -0500
"Attila Iskander" wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234032.071f34029fd9745d79937b38@fidem turbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 20:54:56 -0700
J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

In the USA, because judges are elected, one could argue for the
likelihood of said agenda being "re-election."

Some are, some are not
Would you like to try again ?

See my response to Joe Bruno.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Physics isn't the most important thing; love is."
-- Richard P. Feynman

In article 20130524085800.9ccb25805b1616f6f676023d@fidemturb are.com,
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:



Atheism is a state of nature. Theism is a choice that diverts from
natural human integrity, and those who abandon all "faith" have simply
"reverted" to atheism.
Atheism is a faith every bit as much as any other. It is not a state
of nature, what ever nebulousness that term means.

And atheists can be every bit as shrill and rock ribbed as any Southern
Baptist if you dare to question any of their beleifs.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

On 5/24/2013 8:20 AM, PV wrote:
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

If religion, or lack thereof, is a matter of choice, as are many other
things, why should Scouts single out one religious belief (i.e. 'None')
for special disdain? The only relevant part of the Scout Law that could
conceivably come into play is the last Law, A Scout is Reverent. There
is nothing whatsoever keeping an atheist Scout or Scouter from being
reverent. Nothing at all.

So why the disbarring of atheist boys and men from Scouting?

On Fri, 24 May 2013 12:03:20 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article 20130524085800.9ccb25805b1616f6f676023d@fidemturb are.com,
Fidem Turb?re, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:



Atheism is a state of nature. Theism is a choice that diverts from
natural human integrity, and those who abandon all "faith" have simply
"reverted" to atheism.
Atheism is a faith every bit as much as any other. It is not a state
of nature, what ever nebulousness that term means.

And atheists can be every bit as shrill and rock ribbed as any Southern
Baptist if you dare to question any of their beleifs.

Why would they be? You seem to assume that atheists have beliefs. I'm
not certain which beliefs you think atheists have. Could you identify an
atheist belief and explain why any atheist would get upset if you
question it?

I tend to think that people get upset when you question a belief that
has been arrived at without evidence or logic so the belief is
indefensible. Is that what you have in mind?

On May 24, 7:20*am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,









*J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?


Similar sorts of perverts.

On May 24, 2:27*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:11:07 -0500, "Attila Iskander"









wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fide mturbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me, but
it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy Scouts
as they do. *The organization is defective and needs new leadership
that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of its membership.

You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet your
standards.

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of people who
join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet the critics' standards.

What a bunch of homophobics. * Being a former boy scout myself many
years ago, we didn't think about it then and for all I know, perhaps
some were gay then but were in the closet. * So now it's just more
official, that's all. *For me, as long as they keep their hands off,
let it be.

Now taking to the next level, what do we do with transgenders wanting
to be in the boy scouts? * That's where I have a problem deciding.

What about paedophiles? They should be admitted also.

On May 24, 3:02*pm, Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:
"PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net wrote :









Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-scouts-vote-t
o- lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

* * The BSA is per se a religious institution
so I don't know how they could be forced to
accept atheists.

The BSA is not religious.
It was invented in the UK primarily to prepare boys for service in the
imperial British army though it has changed since then.