On May 25, 12:41*pm, US Judges are the enemy wrote:
On Friday, May 24, 2013 12:50:24 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:
On May 24, 5:36*am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

In article ,

*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth

May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted

Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay

kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most

popular youth organizations, ditching membership

guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.

Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400

delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,

BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,

to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-

lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still

a bigoted organization.

--

JD

It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to

potential victims.

I vote they and you are beaten to death. WE do not need stinking religious freaks.
Get out of my country.

So you are a pervert?

harry wrote:
On May 25, 7:46 am, "PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net wrote:
harry wrote:
On May 24, 8:52 pm, linuxgal wrote:
harry wrote:
On May 24, 3:56 pm, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:20:46 -0600, "PV" edrnouser@ spam
telus.net wrote:

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why
must Scouts change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

Being queer is learned behaviour.

If being queer is learned behavior, then it follows that being
straight must also be learned behavior, since baby boys don't
consistently get erections when they are breast fed. So, Harry,
please list the names of all the men you considered to be potential
sex partners but ultimately rejected as you were learning to be
straight.

If they were post pubescent they likely would.

Being queer is not genetic as they don't breed.

So either it is learned or possibly they have become ill.
Some industrial chemical they have been exposed to perhaps.

Eg oestrogen/similar chemicals now being found in drinking water.
Apparently some plastic food containers may cause problems.

So when did you choose to be hetro? Don't be shy, date and year will
be fine.

Take your time

It never occurred to me to be anything else.

So your sexual orientation was not a choice.....

Thank you.

--
PV

In Pierre Trudeau, Canada has finally produced
a Prime Minister worthy of assassination.
- Irving Layton

On 5/24/2013 10:33 PM, PV wrote:
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
"PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net wrote:

Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

Because the only reason to discriminate against atheists is bigotry.

So the only reason to discriminate against Spirituality is.......?

The Scouting movement has had a Christian base from the beginning, read
Scouting for Boys if you don't believe me. So why should it change it's
belief structure because some don't like it.

If it started out as a Christian-based organization, it hasn't been one
for many, many decades. When I was a Scout in the 50's and 60's, it was
open to any theist. In fact, the 'God and Country' badge was adapted so
that pretty much which religion a boy was, he could work with his
church/temple/mosque/whatever and receive one specific to that religion.

So things have changed for the Scouts over time.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few....or the one.

On 5/25/2013 1:08 PM, harry wrote:
On May 25, 7:46 am, "PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net wrote:
harry wrote:
On May 24, 8:52 pm, linuxgal wrote:
harry wrote:
On May 24, 3:56 pm, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:20:46 -0600, "PV" edrnouser@ spam
telus.net wrote:

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why
must Scouts change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

Being queer is learned behaviour.

If being queer is learned behavior, then it follows that being
straight must also be learned behavior, since baby boys don't
consistently get erections when they are breast fed. So, Harry,
please list the names of all the men you considered to be potential
sex partners but ultimately rejected as you were learning to be
straight.

If they were post pubescent they likely would.

Being queer is not genetic as they don't breed.

So either it is learned or possibly they have become ill.
Some industrial chemical they have been exposed to perhaps.

Eg oestrogen/similar chemicals now being found in drinking water.
Apparently some plastic food containers may cause problems.

So when did you choose to be hetro? Don't be shy, date and year will be
fine.

Take your time

It never occurred to me to be anything else.

Bingo.

Tom McDonald wrote:
On 5/24/2013 10:33 PM, PV wrote:
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
"PV" edrnouser@ spam telus.net wrote:

Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

Because the only reason to discriminate against atheists is bigotry.

So the only reason to discriminate against Spirituality is.......?

The Scouting movement has had a Christian base from the beginning,
read Scouting for Boys if you don't believe me. So why should it
change it's belief structure because some don't like it.

If it started out as a Christian-based organization, it hasn't been
one for many, many decades. When I was a Scout in the 50's and 60's,
it was open to any theist. In fact, the 'God and Country' badge was
adapted so that pretty much which religion a boy was, he could work
with his church/temple/mosque/whatever and receive one specific to
that religion.
So things have changed for the Scouts over time.


You are right, Christian was a poor choice of words on my part. The
movement continues a Spiritual basis today, not limited to Christianity


--
PV

In Pierre Trudeau, Canada has finally produced
a Prime Minister worthy of assassination.
- Irving Layton

On Fri, 24 May 2013 23:58:41 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:13:03 -0400, Ben Kaufman
wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:50:24 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On May 24, 5:36*am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still
a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.


It seems like they've had pretty good access under the homophobic rules.

...and it can only get better with those attracted to the only sex
that is in Scouts?

An openly gay "trusted member of the community" is not any more likely to be a
pedophile than any other "trusted member of the community."

If you think about it, from your own response, a gay scoutmaster would have a
giant flag on his head, but the guy pretending to be heterosexual with a wife
and kids might get all the trust and access he needs.

On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

If they were post pubescent they likely would.

Being queer is not genetic as they don't breed.

SNIP

You are completely ignorant about genetics.

On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:34:11 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"Not X" wrote in message
...
On 05/24/2013 08:20 AM, PV wrote:

[snip]

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?


Atheism is simply the state of NOT being afflicted by a debilitating
condition. It is NOT a choice, the same way NOT having Alzheimer's disease
isn't a choice.


You are not born atheist
It's a choice you make somewhere along the way.

Actually, you were born atheist. You didn't believe in any gods until an adult
spoon fed it to you as the facts.

On Sat, 25 May 2013 13:30:57 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:51:50 -0700, Fidem Turb?re, the non-existent
atheist goddess wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:11:43 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:46:52 -0700, linuxgal
wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote:

It's a start. I think a good start. But it's ultimately doomed
to either be expanded to allow gay leaders, or to go back to not
allowing openly gay youth as Scouts. As it stands, a gay young
man can be a great Scout until he turns 18, at which point he
is, what, not a great Scout?

I don't think so. Getting Eagle Scout, they can't take it away
from you, anymore than they could take away Bubba's status as a
Rhodes Scholar.

They can (at least for now) disallow you from being a scout
leader. I think they just screwed that pooch, though.

They're probably not ready to vote for beastiality practitioners yet.

I'd give you the dumb poster of the day award but the competition has
been too tough this week to give it out so early.

Your ad hominem attack doesn't help your position.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational
change their world view to fit the facts."
-- Doug Bashford (August 3, 2012)

On Fri, 24 May 2013 23:12:34 -0500
"Attila Iskander" wrote:
"Alfred E. Newman" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

--

JD

Jeanne, why do you say they are still bigoted? Is it because you
weren't allowed to join because of what you have between your legs?
Or was it because of what you don't have between your ears?

I'll go with choice #2

What is between a boy's legs? I wasn't aware that the Boy Scouts
excluded castratees, or boys who used to be girls, etc. They certainly
have chosen to stop excluding homosexual boys and men, so perhaps there
is some potential for progress after all.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Facts drive the bus. Opinions sit in the back."
-- David M. Canzi (September 15, 2012)

On Sat, 25 May 2013 09:33:27 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:05:00 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,
Alfred E. Newman wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts
are still a bigoted organization.

--

JD

Jeanne, why do you say they are still bigoted? Is it because you
weren't allowed to join because of what you have between your
legs? Or was it because of what you don't have between your ears?

I had the Girl Scouts available to me. A FAR better organization
than the Boy Scouts.

Nonsense. If that's true, why are so many girls trying to get into
Boy Scouts? Boy Scouts has a much larger and stronger organization,
with more programs, camps, and outings.

If girls really were trying to get into the Boy Scouts, they'd most
likely be Catholic Girls coveting some new "experiences." If their
motives were purely to become Scouts, then your suggestion seems
ludicrous because there's another very similar organization which is
famously known as "Girl Scouts."

With regard to the Boy Scouts being a "stronger organization," that's
just a reflection of the behaviour exhibited by those who feel
threatened by homosexuality (even though a person's private sexual
encounters really are none of their business).

Sadly, our troop leader was a bitch who favored her daughter and her
buddies over the rest of the troop, so I dropped out as soon as I
was allowed.

You learned well.

That's not a matter of learning, rather it's a matter of exercising
judgement based on values of fairness.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action."
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:00:05 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:11:07 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fide mturbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me,
but it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still
anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy
Scouts as they do. The organization is defective and needs new
leadership that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of its
membership.

You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet your
standards.

We will see that happen now.

What's your prediction?

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of
people who join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet the
critics' standards.

Lefties *NEED* to control others.

You're confusing leftwing and rightwing politics.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Go away. I'd like to forget you just the way you are."
-- Milton Berle

On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:09:05 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:
On May 24, 2:27Â*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:11:07 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"

wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fide mturbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Â*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy
Scouts are still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to
me, but it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are
still anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy
Scouts as they do. Â*The organization is defective and needs
new leadership that respects and embraces the personal
freedoms of its membership.

You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet
your standards.

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of
people who join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet
the critics' standards.

What a bunch of homophobics. Â* Being a former boy scout myself
many years ago, we didn't think about it then and for all I know,
perhaps some were gay then but were in the closet. Â* So now it's
just more official, that's all. Â*For me, as long as they keep
their hands off, let it be.

Now taking to the next level, what do we do with transgenders
wanting to be in the boy scouts? Â* That's where I have a problem
deciding.

What about paedophiles? They should be admitted also.

Nonsense.

Ha ha! That's a moot point anyway because the Roman Catholic Church has
had that niche "cornered" for centuries, and managed to keep a "tight
grip" on it for a very long duration.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"My schoolmates would make love to anything that moved, but I never saw
any reason to limit myself."
-- Emo Philips

On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:01:11 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:07:19 -0700, linuxgal
wrote:
Doug wrote:

Now taking to the next level, what do we do with transgenders
wanting to be in the boy scouts? That's where I have a problem
deciding.

"We" don't do anything, it's for the Boy Scouts to decide.

...and pay the consequences, either way.

Though watch, they will now be forced to allow queer adult leadership.

Do you mean "forced" by their democratic membership who voted 61% in
favour of it? Yeah, in that case I suppose you're correct.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the
scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you
find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age
tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few
generations old."
-- Patrick Barker (August 10, 2012; observing a creationist)

On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
harry wrote:
On May 24, 6:53Â*pm, Father Haskell wrote:
On May 24, 12:50Â*am, harry wrote:
On May 24, 5:36Â*am, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,
Â*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts
are still a bigoted organization.

--

JD

It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.

Isn't that what the churches are for?

Yes but no stone is left unturned.
I wonder what monks wear under their habits?
Or do they go commando?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_commando

What? Like some kilt-wearing Scottish men are suspected of?

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"You can lead an atheist to a miracle, but you can't make them believe."
-- Anonymous (August 12, 2012)

On Sat, 25 May 2013 16:52:36 -0400
Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 23:58:41 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:13:03 -0400, Ben Kaufman
wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:50:24 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:
On May 24, 5:36Â*am, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,
Â*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts
are still a bigoted organization.

--

JD



It's so the perverts/paedos of America can get better access to
potential victims.


It seems like they've had pretty good access under the homophobic
rules.

...and it can only get better with those attracted to the only sex
that is in Scouts?

An openly gay "trusted member of the community" is not any more
likely to be a pedophile than any other "trusted member of the
community."

If you think about it, from your own response, a gay scoutmaster
would have a giant flag on his head, but the guy pretending to be
heterosexual with a wife and kids might get all the trust and access
he needs.

There's a perspective that is nearly impossible to argue against.

Very nicely done.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Atheists aren't embarrassed to admit that there are gaps in our
understanding of the Universe. Theists aren't embarrassed to simply
fill those gaps with 'God did it.'"
-- Dakota (August 9, 2012)

On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:48:24 -0500
Tom McDonald wrote:
On 5/24/2013 9:44 AM, linuxgal wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote:

Nope. They already had that access. Now the rules will be more
strictly enforced, and that will mean fewer straight pedophiles in
Scouting.

If you must have pedophiles in Scouting, you probably want nothing
but straight pedophiles, in the Boy Scouts where they have no girls
to diddle, and also in the Girl Scouts where they have no boys to
diddle.

It's a bit of a conundrum, for me at least, what to call adult males
who have sex with adult women, not adult men, but diddle little boys
and/or girls.

'Homosexual' isn't quite right. Neither is, I'll grant you,
'straight'. But I'm unsure what nomenclature to use when confronted
with the fact that the pedophiles I was aware of as a kid were all
adult males with wives and children, and who never, to my knowledge,
engaged in sex with other men.

They fit into at least two classifications: Bi-sexual, and pedophile.

AIUI, gay men are no more sexually attracted to young boys than
straight men are sexually attracted to young girls. That means that,
of course, some are; but I'm not aware of that happening at a
significantly greater rate with gays than with straights.

I agree.

Sexuality is fascinating, and talking about it can be
frustrating--especially at times like in this discussion.

Or, of course, when one isn't getting any.

The problem is the inability of some people to think critically and be
impartial when attempting to form an understanding.

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Every time a child says 'I don't believe in fairies' there is a little
fairy somewhere that falls down dead."
-- Peter Pan

On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:21:32 -0500
"Attila Iskander" wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:08:55 -0500
"Attila Iskander" wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 20:54:56 -0700
J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with
an agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

In the USA, because judges are elected, one could argue for the
likelihood of said agenda being "re-election."

Some are, some are not
Would you like to try again ?

See my response to Joe Bruno.

Joe who ?

I see that Joe Bruno stripped out the newsgroups that you're probably
reading from, which would explain why you missed his and my messages...

I have no intention to go fishing for your response

In the meantime your claim is BULL****
Some judges are elected, some are not

Joe Bruno wrote "Judges are elected in some states, not all."

I responded with "That's great news. That means that this is likely not
the agenda for those who were appointed."

Source: http://archive.atheistfrontier.com/a...sm/msg_HLox.pl

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"God (n.); A casual and intellectually sparse rationalisation of nerve
impulses within the human brain, conflated with social and societal
expediencies, such as the division of labour and the wielding of
authority, resulting in a formal definition of a personification of an
authority that should not be questioned."
-- David Silverman, Defender of Civilisation

On 05/24/2013 10:34 PM, Attila Iskander wrote:


[snip]

That is ONLY for those who have been infected with theism. I wasn't, so
had no opportunity to make a choice.

--
"He who commends the brutalities of the past, sows the seeds of future
crimes." [Robert G. Ingersoll]

In article ,
Brother Love wrote:

On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:02:46 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:

In article
,
harry wrote:

On May 24, 7:20*am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,









*J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...scouts-vote-to
-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?


Similar sorts of perverts.

Really? Are you really that ignorant?

Did you really score over 700 on your SATs?

Yep.

708 on the verbal, 727 on the math, 664 on English Comp, 656 on Biology,
and 575 on French.

And that was before they dumbed down the SATs.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

"Ben Kaufman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:34:11 -0500, "Attila Iskander"

wrote:

"Not X" wrote in message
...
On 05/24/2013 08:20 AM, PV wrote:

[snip]

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?


Atheism is simply the state of NOT being afflicted by a debilitating
condition. It is NOT a choice, the same way NOT having Alzheimer's
disease
isn't a choice.


You are not born atheist
It's a choice you make somewhere along the way.

Actually, you were born atheist. You didn't believe in any gods until an
adult
spoon fed it to you as the facts.



NOPE !
You were born a blank page
That means at best you were born agnostic.

Get yourself a dictionary and learn the meaning of words

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130525165213.5fce7ef87920cb539dccb7d9@fidem turbare.com...
On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:00:05 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:11:07 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fide mturbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me,
but it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still
anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy
Scouts as they do. The organization is defective and needs new
leadership that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of its
membership.

You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet your
standards.

We will see that happen now.

What's your prediction?

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of
people who join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet the
critics' standards.

Lefties *NEED* to control others.

You're confusing leftwing and rightwing politics.


Not in the least
Right-wing means maximum INDIVIDUAL liberty with anarchy at the extreme
right
Left-wing means maximum, government control with statism at the extreme
left.

Here's a simple explanation of how that works
www.wimp.com/thegovernment

"Not X" wrote in message
...
On 05/24/2013 10:34 PM, Attila Iskander wrote:


[snip]

That is ONLY for those who have been infected with theism. I wasn't, so
had no opportunity to make a choice.


Making no choice is also a choice
Avoiding making a choice is also a choice
A default choice is also a choice.

On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:13:28 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Brother Love wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:02:46 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:
On May 24, 7:20Â*am, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,
Â*J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...scouts-vote-to
-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge
with an agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?


Similar sorts of perverts.

Really? Are you really that ignorant?

Did you really score over 700 on your SATs?

Yep.

708 on the verbal, 727 on the math, 664 on English Comp, 656 on
Biology, and 575 on French.

And that was before they dumbed down the SATs.

Based on how you write, and what you write about, I would have expected
you to have scored higher. What happened? Were there distractions
during the test?

--
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
"What happens when your blood/alcohol-level is higher than your I.Q.?
You go to jail."
-- Spike TV

In article 20130525232535.25cca3d6a8d8426384af6b87@fidemturb are.com,
Fidem Turb�re, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:

On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:13:28 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Brother Love wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:02:46 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:
On May 24, 7:20�am, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,
�J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...boy-scouts-vot
e-to
-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge
with an agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?


Similar sorts of perverts.

Really? Are you really that ignorant?

Did you really score over 700 on your SATs?

Yep.

708 on the verbal, 727 on the math, 664 on English Comp, 656 on
Biology, and 575 on French.

And that was before they dumbed down the SATs.

Based on how you write, and what you write about, I would have expected
you to have scored higher. What happened? Were there distractions
during the test?


Paul Newman was on The Tonight Show that Friday night, so I only got 4 hours of
sleep before taking all 5 tests.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

On May 25, 11:34*pm, Ben Kaufman spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:34:11 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:









"Not X" wrote in message
...
On 05/24/2013 08:20 AM, PV wrote:

[snip]

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

Atheism is simply the state of NOT being afflicted by a debilitating
condition. It is NOT a choice, the same way NOT having Alzheimer's disease
isn't a choice.

You are not born atheist
It's a choice you make somewhere along the way.

Actually, you were born atheist. You didn't believe in any gods until an adult
spoon fed it to you as the facts.

Interesting how religion has arisen in every (even unrelated) society.
None belief is and artificial/intellectual thing.
So that may not be true.

On May 26, 4:30*am, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in messagenews:20130525165213.5fce7ef87920cb539dccb7d ...









On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:00:05 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:11:07 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fide mturbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
*Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are
still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me,
but it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still
anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy
Scouts as they do. *The organization is defective and needs new
leadership that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of its
membership.

You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet your
standards.

We will see that happen now.

What's your prediction?

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of
people who join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet the
critics' standards.

Lefties *NEED* to control others.

You're confusing leftwing and rightwing politics.

Not in the least
Right-wing means maximum INDIVIDUAL liberty with anarchy at the extreme
right
Left-wing means maximum, government control with statism at the extreme
left.

Here's a simple explanation of how that works
* *www.wimp.com/thegovernment

Right wing means oppression of the majority and to keep
hold of the means to make sure that continues.
Theft from the majority.
Getting to the top and pulling up the drawbridge.

In article 78717044-ce9a-4caf-a2f5-

harry wrote:

On May 24, 6:34*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
*Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 24 May 2013 12:46:29 -0400, Kurt Ullman

No, that is not what atheism is. Atheism is the lack of belief in any
gods.

* *Yeah, you don't believe in gods. A lack of belief, by definition,
is
not believing.

Let's go back to the valid definition of atheism, the lack of belief in
any gods. Where does that require evidence that any particular god does
not exist?

* * * *How does it do anything but? YOu are saying there are no g
ods.
Lack of gods mean they don't exist or there would be a god or two
floating around. I did not say anything about a particular god (thus the
lower case "g" to keep my high school English teachers happy-grin).
Until you can prove that there are no gods to believe, atheism is just
the mirror image of theism (with their own brand of fundamentalism).
--

You might apply that statement to the tooth fairy.

Or the flat earth.

Or the fact that atheism is a religion.

God belief is just a con.

God disbelief is a con, but it doesn't rake in as much money and
it will eventually get you killed when you **** off the
Christians.

Why this con is not illegal as are other cons is beyond me.

Men ****ing each other up the ass was illegal until enough
democrat politicians who liked it decided to decriminalize it.

In article
emailer.net,
"Jerry" wrote:

In article 78717044-ce9a-4caf-a2f5-

harry wrote:

On May 24, 6:34*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
*Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 24 May 2013 12:46:29 -0400, Kurt Ullman

No, that is not what atheism is. Atheism is the lack of belief in any
gods.

* *Yeah, you don't believe in gods. A lack of belief, by definition,
is
not believing.

Let's go back to the valid definition of atheism, the lack of belief in
any gods. Where does that require evidence that any particular god does
not exist?

* * * *How does it do anything but? YOu are saying there are no g
ods.
Lack of gods mean they don't exist or there would be a god or two
floating around. I did not say anything about a particular god (thus the
lower case "g" to keep my high school English teachers happy-grin).
Until you can prove that there are no gods to believe, atheism is just
the mirror image of theism (with their own brand of fundamentalism).
--

You might apply that statement to the tooth fairy.

Or the flat earth.

Or the fact that atheism is a religion.

How is it a religion?

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

"Attila Iskander" wrote in
:

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130525165213.5fce7ef87920cb539dccb7d9@fidem turbare.com...
On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:00:05 -0400
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:11:07 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
wrote in message
news:20130523234312.18c11ed8fac99ed2d628a706@fide mturbare.com...
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...59-boy-scouts-
vote-to- lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts
are still a bigoted organization.

The fact that they had to take it to a vote seems strange to me,
but it's good to know that 39% of the upper echelon are still
anti-gay.

It's disappointing that people give as much respect to The Boy
Scouts as they do. The organization is defective and needs new
leadership that respects and embraces the personal freedoms of
its membership.

You always have the choice of joining and trying to change it
Alternately you can start something equivalent modified to meet
your standards.

We will see that happen now.

What's your prediction?

Always funny to see people come along and criticize a group of
people who join together for whatever reasons , that don't meet the
critics' standards.

Lefties *NEED* to control others.

You're confusing leftwing and rightwing politics.


Not in the least
Right-wing means maximum INDIVIDUAL liberty with anarchy at the
extreme right


So why do Right wingers go on a binge of
creating new regulations every time they get
political power?





"The Bush administration increased the number of new
pages in the Federal Registry, a proxy for economic
regulation, from 64,438 new pages in 2001 to 78,090
in new pages in 2007, a record amount of regulation.
Economically significant regulations, defined as
regulations which cost more than $100 million a year,
increased by 70%. Spending on regulation increased by
62% from $26.4 billion to $42.7 billion."

http://tinyurl.com/2fuvm3v

On 5/25/2013 7:30 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:20:49 -0700, SMS
wrote in alt.atheism:

On 5/24/2013 4:10 PM, PV wrote:
linuxgal wrote:
PV wrote:
Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

They ought to change, they are not required to change. It's sort of
like those country clubs that only accept whites.

I have never seen a family denied membership from Scouting because they are
atheists.

I'm sure that it varies by council, but scouting has had both gays and
atheists for a very long time.

It's sad to see them teaching boys that you sometimes have to lie.

That's what it really comes down to. On the local level it's no problem
finding a pack, troop, team, crew, etc., that doesn't discriminate but
because of the policies of the national organization you have to put
something down on the membership application regarding religion.

On Sun, 26 May 2013 08:18:55 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:




So why do Right wingers go on a binge of
creating new regulations every time they get
political power?


Both left and right do it. They can tell the voters what a wonderful
job they are doing. Both parties suck.

In article ,
Brother Love wrote:

On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:13:28 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:

In article ,
Brother Love wrote:

On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:02:46 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:

In article
,
harry wrote:

On May 24, 7:20*am, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,









*J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...oy-scouts-vote
-to
-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?


Similar sorts of perverts.

Really? Are you really that ignorant?

Did you really score over 700 on your SATs?

Yep.

708 on the verbal, 727 on the math, 664 on English Comp, 656 on Biology,
and 575 on French.

And that was before they dumbed down the SATs.

Those really were good scores. No doubt near the top of your class.

Thanks. And, yes, I was 8th in my class (out of 450). I can't remember
by how much, but my GPA was over 4 (because of honors classes).

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Brother Love wrote:

On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:13:28 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:

In article ,
Brother Love wrote:

On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:02:46 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:

In article
,
harry wrote:

On May 24, 7:20 am, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
In article ,









J wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...oy-scouts-vote
-to
-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with
an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?


Similar sorts of perverts.

Really? Are you really that ignorant?

Did you really score over 700 on your SATs?

Yep.

708 on the verbal, 727 on the math, 664 on English Comp, 656 on Biology,
and 575 on French.

And that was before they dumbed down the SATs.

Those really were good scores. No doubt near the top of your class.

Thanks. And, yes, I was 8th in my class (out of 450). I can't remember
by how much, but my GPA was over 4 (because of honors classes).


Dang
Didn't know they gave "honors" classes in basket-weaving and moon-howling
Who would have thunk it ?

Teach your child to say 'no', to learn what is and what is not
acceptable behaviour from an adult, not to keep secrets, etc. and
really I don't see where the sexuality of someone would be a concern.
I mean don't we have gay teachers? Sheesh.

Mike Lalonde ~ Sudbury, Ontario
jumlers.com

In article
,
Mike Lalonde wrote:

Teach your child to say 'no', to learn what is and what is not
acceptable behaviour from an adult, not to keep secrets, etc. and
really I don't see where the sexuality of someone would be a concern.
I mean don't we have gay teachers? Sheesh.


That was one of the first victories. Back in the late '70s, there was a
ballot proposition here in CA to ban gay teachers; it was principally
funded by Carl Karcher (the founder of Carl's Jr). It lost. I'm sure yo
can all imagine the vile commercials.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:27:54 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"Ben Kaufman" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:34:11 -0500, "Attila Iskander"

wrote:

"Not X" wrote in message
...
On 05/24/2013 08:20 AM, PV wrote:

[snip]

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?


Atheism is simply the state of NOT being afflicted by a debilitating
condition. It is NOT a choice, the same way NOT having Alzheimer's
disease
isn't a choice.


You are not born atheist
It's a choice you make somewhere along the way.

Actually, you were born atheist. You didn't believe in any gods until an
adult
spoon fed it to you as the facts.



NOPE !
You were born a blank page
That means at best you were born agnostic.

Get yourself a dictionary and learn the meaning of words


Nope, you can't even be an agnostic until someone tries to make you believe that
gods are real. And of course, young children are vulnerable to this sort of
brain washing.

On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:07:23 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On May 25, 11:34*pm, Ben Kaufman spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 22:34:11 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:









"Not X" wrote in message
...
On 05/24/2013 08:20 AM, PV wrote:

[snip]

Sexual orientation is not a choice, however atheism is, so why must
Scouts
change to accommodate those that choose atheism?

Atheism is simply the state of NOT being afflicted by a debilitating
condition. It is NOT a choice, the same way NOT having Alzheimer's disease
isn't a choice.

You are not born atheist
It's a choice you make somewhere along the way.

Actually, you were born atheist. You didn't believe in any gods until an adult
spoon fed it to you as the facts.

Interesting how religion has arisen in every (even unrelated) society.
None belief is and artificial/intellectual thing.
So that may not be true.

Let's take a step back. Religion and science are both attempts to explain
things. The big difference is that in religion anything goes, it does not have
to be accountable to facts. Of course, when early societies were forming, there
were no facts, so religion had a huge head start over science. People made a lot
of stuff up to explain things. Not that they were intentionally making stuff up
with the purpose to mislead, but because they didn't know any better. Agree
with me so far?

Now some clever folks discover that acting as the liaison between the people and
these fictional constructs earns them power and respect. So it is in their best
interest that the particular "gods" remain in power. Anytime something good
happens, it is attributed to these gods, and bad things are because the gods
were displeased (no science to refute these claims yet), and mandate death
penalties for alternate religion believers, and non-believers, so any good
parent is going to make sure that their kid knows the "facts" before he gets
himself killed. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of believers have
the same religion as their parents.

So unless children are indoctrinated with these religions beliefs they don't
have them. And today, when a child is not indoctrinated with religion, unlike
the past, science has answers to a lot of things that earlier man had no clue
about, so they don't have to make stuff up.

Ben

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted Thursday to end its
controversial policy banning gay kids and teens from joining one of the
nation's most popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years. Over 61 percent of
Scouting's National Council of 1,400 delegates from across the country
voted to lift the ban, BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes
votes, to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the Boy Scouts are still a
bigoted organization.

I concur.

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MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

On Sat, 25 May 2013 10:31:39 -0700, J wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 23:20:08 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
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J wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:38:11 -0500, Mitchell Holman
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Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America voted
Thursday to end its controversial policy banning gay
kids and teens from joining one of the nation's most
popular youth organizations, ditching membership
guidelines that had roiled the group in recent years.
Over 61 percent of Scouting's National Council of 1,400
delegates from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes votes,
to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...couts-vote-to-
lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite




This was voted upon by the BSA, not imposed by some judge with an
agenda. It is what it is, so be it.

What does this decision have to do with pedophilia?




Who mentioned anything about pedophilia? I just posted that I
acccepted this decision without criticism because it was voted uopn
the organization itself and not imposed on them by a judge.

Accepted? Who are you to have to accept anything?

The fact is that they buckled under to pressure groups. Not good.

This is why I'm the recipient of so much criticism. People read what
they want to see, not what I actually wrote.





J Young


Honesty. Decency. Integrity

GMAFB.