If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails? is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

Jim

On Dec 6, 8:50*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:

anybody still framing with driven nails? * *is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

It's a gold mine. No one ever went broke overestimating the stupidity
of the average idiot who has managed, somehow, to accumulate $80.
-----

- gpsman

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote in Re $80 Hammer--
if only it was 1975. . .:

If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

I don't see any obvious functional advantage over a 20oz straight
hickory handle framing hammer. I might change my mind if I tried one,
but without trying it first I don't see an advantage.

On 12/6/2012 9:00 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Jim
wrote Re $80 Hammer--
if only it was 1975. . .:

If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

I don't see any obvious functional advantage over a 20oz straight
hickory handle framing hammer. I might change my mind if I tried one,
but without trying it first I don't see an advantage.

Unless one were professional framer, there would be little advantage.
Their forte is that the hardened center core waffle lasts longer than
most others on the market before the waffling gets to where it's of
little or no use.

Look at the pictures towards bottom at
http://www.hardcorehammers.com/whyhardcore.php

I've seen one; not used it...they do feel good. The framer who had it
said it had indeed outlasted the titanium Stilleto that are roughly same
price...he personally didn't care too much about the recessed waffle but
it did leave less of a mark but wouldn't consider it a finish hammer if
that were really the issue...

--

On Dec 6, 5:50*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index...ry/view/s/hamm...

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails? * *is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

Jim

Looks like another "look what I invented" thingy.

I see a major problem with it that is not explained in the cite: If
the strikign surface is "protected by a raised outer rim" how in the
hell do you drive a nail flush? I can just picture how clumsy it
wwould be with that oversized head trying to toenail something. As
for finish nails? Again, no way to flush drive unless using a nail
set. Very few carpenters would do that in regular work.

Yes, I have done construction work to include buildign an 18' x 30'
addition to my house from digging the foundation to installing the
steel siding.

Favorite is a 20 oz framing hammer, straight handle, smooth face.
Gets used for everything from driving 20p spikes to little bitty
brads.

Harry K

In 1975, the min wage was between a buck and two bucks an hour. If there was
a min, at all.

Now it's what, 7.75? So, figure that eighty dollar hammer would be, well,
price times about five. About $400 or so?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
news If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails? is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

Jim

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails? is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

Jim

Thats the only way I frame and build anything. Personally I hate nail
guns. Not only are they dangerous, but here is no way in hell that I'm
going to lug around a heavy air compressor, and heavy nail gun, and pay
3 times what plain nails cost for the gun nails. Not to mention when I
place a stud and put in the first nail, I can align the stud as I
hammer, unlike the gun who shoots the nail and the force often
mis-aligns the stud, leaving me with a tough nail to remove and start
over again. I have been building stuff with a hammer for 50+ years, and
thats the way I'll build for the rest of my life. I can drive a nail
with a hammer almost as fast as a nail gun. On top of all that, I get
some exercise with a hammer, and save electricity. It's just this
screwed up younger generation who spends most of their time pushing
buttons on cellphones that need this powered crap. That's why most of
them are fat and lazy.

Add to that, the fact that if the compressor is too small, one has to
wait for it to pump up again..... During that time period, I can pound
lots of nails with a hammer.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails?

Not me. Nail guns do a far better job, faster.

is this practical, or just a nice piece of furniture?

Perhaps it's a bid to get some of that stimulus money that'll soon be
flying around again.

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails? is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

Jim

Just buy the damn thing if you like it. Who cares what anyone else
thinks, or whether it's fairly priced, or lives up to the marketing
hype, or whether you're ever going to need it? 80 bucks is cheap
satisfaction.

On 12/6/2012 11:32 PM, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails? is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

Jim

Just buy the damn thing if you like it. Who cares what anyone else
thinks, or whether it's fairly priced, or lives up to the marketing
hype, or whether you're ever going to need it? 80 bucks is cheap
satisfaction.


I had a fellow show me a hammer from a bag of tools a guy gave him to
satisfy a bar tab. In the bag was an interesting claw hammer, there was
something odd about the way it felt in my hand so I looked it up on The
Interweb. ^_^

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/STI...w-Hammer-2XTE8

http://tinyurl.com/dxqdc6n

TDD

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:32:49 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

If I was 40 years younger and didn't drive nails with air [or use
screws when I can] - I'd really be drooling over this.

http://shophardcorehammers.com/index.../hammers/id/4/

They were listed in a made in the USA list someplace.
19 oz, straight claw, waffle head, magnet nail holder, available with
18" curved hickory handle.

anybody still framing with driven nails? is this practical, or just
a nice piece of furniture?

Jim

Just buy the damn thing if you like it.

As I suggest in my subject line-- If it was 1975 I might get some use
and satisfaction out of it.

Who cares what anyone else
thinks, or whether it's fairly priced, or lives up to the marketing
hype, or whether you're ever going to need it? 80 bucks is cheap
satisfaction.

I'll spend it on Bourbon these days. I gave up caring what other
folks think about 50 years ago.

Jim

On 7 Dec 2012 01:24:04 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:
-snip-


is this practical, or just a nice piece of furniture?

Perhaps it's a bid to get some of that stimulus money that'll soon be
flying around again.

It really has to suck to be you and be so filled with hatred that even
a discussion of a tool has to become a [misguided] political diatribe.

Jim

On 12/7/2012 12:37 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
....

I'll spend it on Bourbon these days. ...

Make it a good single malt Scotch and I'll join ye; otherwise "not so
much"...

--

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:37:20 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

On 7 Dec 2012 01:24:04 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:
-snip-


is this practical, or just a nice piece of furniture?

Perhaps it's a bid to get some of that stimulus money that'll soon be
flying around again.

It really has to suck to be you and be so filled with hatred that even
a discussion of a tool has to become a [misguided] political diatribe.

My, my, you're touchy about your pal, the chimp.

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

I'll spend it on Bourbon these days. I gave up caring what other
folks think about 50 years ago.


Consider the book: "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" by Richard
Feynman. Here's a sampling:

[Ring-ring]

Feynman: "Hello."

Caller: Is the Dr. Feynman?"

Feynman: "Yes."

Caller: "Dr. Richard P. Feynman?"

Feynman: (wearily) "Yes."

Caller: "Dr Feynman, my name is Margaret Tibbetts. I am the United States
Ambassador to the Court of Olav V of Norway. I am pleased to inform you that
you have been awarded the 1965 Nobel Prize in Physics !"

Feynman: "Do you have any idea what the hell time it is in California?"

Caller: "Er... No."

Feynman: "It is 3:00 o'clock in the goddamn morning ! Call back after nine
!"

[click]

Caller: ???

On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 07:03:25 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

I'll spend it on Bourbon these days. I gave up caring what other
folks think about 50 years ago.


Consider the book: "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" by Richard
Feynman. Here's a sampling:

[Ring-ring]

Feynman: "Hello."

Caller: Is the Dr. Feynman?"

Feynman: "Yes."

Caller: "Dr. Richard P. Feynman?"

Feynman: (wearily) "Yes."

Caller: "Dr Feynman, my name is Margaret Tibbetts. I am the United States
Ambassador to the Court of Olav V of Norway. I am pleased to inform you that
you have been awarded the 1965 Nobel Prize in Physics !"

Feynman: "Do you have any idea what the hell time it is in California?"

Caller: "Er... No."

Feynman: "It is 3:00 o'clock in the goddamn morning ! Call back after nine
!"

[click]

Caller: ???


Wouldn't ever happen to me. I don't answer the phone unless I'm
awake, alert, and recognize the caller ID. . . . and want to talk to
that person at that time.g

Jim
[If they *really* wanted to give me that prize, they'd drive out to
the house with it-- Like Ed McMahon used to do.]

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Wouldn't ever happen to me. I don't answer the phone unless I'm
awake, alert, and recognize the caller ID. . . . and want to talk to
that person at that time.g


I suspect a caller ID of: "Ambassador - Court of Saint James, London" might
cause your curiosity to trump your determination.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Wouldn't ever happen to me. I don't answer the phone unless I'm
awake, alert, and recognize the caller ID. . . . and want to talk to
that person at that time.g


I suspect a caller ID of: "Ambassador - Court of Saint James, London" might
cause your curiosity to trump your determination.

I don't recall "caller ID" being available in 1965, and not many people
had answering machines or phones with "ringer off" switches, either.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:28:48 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Wouldn't ever happen to me. I don't answer the phone unless I'm
awake, alert, and recognize the caller ID. . . . and want to talk to
that person at that time.g


I suspect a caller ID of: "Ambassador - Court of Saint James, London" might
cause your curiosity to trump your determination.


Don't think so. If it is important they'll leave a message.

OTOH- If Im feeling like messing with somebody, I might pick up.
[though not at 3am- they'd have to nuke the neighborhood to wake me]

Jim

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:55:07 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Wouldn't ever happen to me. I don't answer the phone unless I'm
awake, alert, and recognize the caller ID. . . . and want to talk to
that person at that time.g


I suspect a caller ID of: "Ambassador - Court of Saint James, London" might
cause your curiosity to trump your determination.

I don't recall "caller ID" being available in 1965, and not many people
had answering machines or phones with "ringer off" switches, either.

Ain't thread-drift fun?g

FWIW- No switch, but a piece of cardboard would silence one of Ma
Bell's 500 phones, just fine.

Jim

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:55:07 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Wouldn't ever happen to me. I don't answer the phone unless I'm
awake, alert, and recognize the caller ID. . . . and want to talk to
that person at that time.g


I suspect a caller ID of: "Ambassador - Court of Saint James, London" might
cause your curiosity to trump your determination.

I don't recall "caller ID" being available in 1965, and not many people
had answering machines or phones with "ringer off" switches, either.

The "ringer off" switch was the plug in (out of) the wall.