On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:29:39 +0000, DerbyDad03 wrote:

The first time the bag rips and all of the used condoms, empty beer cans
and DNA covered underwear ends up in the bottom of the can, you are
going to wish that you could just dump it all out instead of having to
climb inside and grab all that nasty stuff.

That's amazing. How did you know the bag is filled with 'that
stuff' (especially the used rubbers)?

It is, by the way. And it's disgusting! But I wonder how you knew that.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 06:27:28 -0700, Harry K wrote:

Couple of bungee cords solve tht problem. But litter bugs won't use it.

That would work - but with the 'vagrants' who stop at that corner, I
wouldn't put it past them to steal the bungee cords.

Not that bungee cords are expensive ... but bolts are cheaper.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:10:39 -0500, Steve Barker wrote:

What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
where there is no electricity available?

cutting torch

Well, I guess if it were a steel garbage can, I could have welded it to
the guardrail. That would be interesting. Or I could have chained it.

If I want to put a top on it, I can chain the top handle to the U-bolt to
keep it from being flung over the cliff by the bad-ass litterers.

James Gagney wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:29:39 +0000, DerbyDad03 wrote:

The first time the bag rips and all of the used condoms, empty beer cans
and DNA covered underwear ends up in the bottom of the can, you are
going to wish that you could just dump it all out instead of having to
climb inside and grab all that nasty stuff.

That's amazing. How did you know the bag is filled with 'that
stuff' (especially the used rubbers)?

It is, by the way. And it's disgusting! But I wonder how you knew that.

I know that because, as I said when I mentioned that you don't to repeat
your responses a half dozen times, most people following a thread on usenet
read every post, not just the direct responses to their own posts.

Earlier on you said:

"On the other side of the guard rail is a cliff ... hence the lovers
lookout name of that part of the road. They leave trash (yes, even 'that'
kind of trash) all the time."

Lovers and 'that' kind of trash usually means used rubbers, booze and DNA
stained underwear.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 22:17:41 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:29:39 +0000, DerbyDad03 wrote:

The first time the bag rips and all of the used condoms, empty beer cans
and DNA covered underwear ends up in the bottom of the can, you are
going to wish that you could just dump it all out instead of having to
climb inside and grab all that nasty stuff.

That's amazing. How did you know the bag is filled with 'that
stuff' (especially the used rubbers)?

It is, by the way. And it's disgusting! But I wonder how you knew that.


Every town or region as a place that the teenagers park. They all
contains that stuff for the past 50 or so years since I started to
drive.

On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 02:56:43 +0000, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Lovers and 'that' kind of trash usually means used rubbers, booze and
DNA stained underwear.

Oh. Yes. I read EVERY post also ... but I don't REMEMBER them all!

As you inferred, they do leave 'that' kind of trash, e.g., the undies,
one shoe (never two), condoms, and assorted beverage containers and fast-
food bags amongst the various and sundry items littered about.

They also beat a series of trails that goes into the brush parallel to
the cliff but that only go about ten or fifteen feet and then the trail
just stops, as if they turned around and gave up or something, yet with
crumpled toilet paper at various spots to the side of the trail.

I guess this is typical?

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 20:47:18 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

micky wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 13:04:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:



Except for the rubbernecking delay that will be caused by the
accident.

I think you're taking this too seriously. Clue: I don't really
consider the median a free-fire zone.


Clue: I didn't think you did. I'm just chatting.

Okay. :-) I'm easy to fool.


I take my peek but then I accelerate a lot tand catch up with the guy
in front of me, minuse the apprropriate non-tailgating amount.

Minuse? Can't figure out what you meant there.

Oops: Minus. I just meant. If he's going 30 by the time I catch
up with him, I stay back the rrecommended distance when following
someone going 30. . Although usually he did't leave the accident very
fast, and neither does the guy behind me.

I also try to go through left-turn arrows quickly too, and to be
close on the tail of a guy turning left at an arrow, so that I don't
hold back people behind me and they have time to turn on that arrow.
This only matters where there is a lot of traffic.

Besides, the fact that you peek before you accelerate simply means that you
are part of the rubbernecking delay problem. You are holding back everyone
behind you.

I agree, but only about 2 seconds, and I meant that literally -- 2
seconds. . By taking my 2 seconds, i'm not mad at the people ahead
of me who took a lot more. It's good for my blood pressure.


It's a compromise. I've earned my peek, and I only take about 2
seconds. I'm always way ahead of the guy behind me.


How can you be way ahead of the guy behind you in stop and go traffic?

It's not stop and go when we're leaving the peeking zone. In fact
there's less traffic than normal because the cars are piled up behind
us. If it's stop and go in front of us too, I take a longer look,
because being held up by my looking is no worse for others than being
held up by stop-and-go traffic.

On Sep 2, 11:33*am, Bill wrote:
In article , says...











James Gagney writes:

Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
wouldn't make a dent.

See picture he
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/9153893.jpg

What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
where there is no electricity available?

That railing doesn't look like the kind of thing a poster here would
own...

Are you sure the owner wants holes drilled in his railing?

Right!

Those guardrails are designed to collapse in the event a vehicle hits
one. This reduces injuries to people in the vehicle. I would rather not
be responsible for modifying one or mounting objects on one which would
in any way alter the function of it! (And then get some lawyer claiming
I was partially responsible for injuries caused in an accident.)

Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
them. Like this...

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_d...hardware/ctrme
asures/breakaway/

LOL... I dunno what planet you are from but on
earth guard rails are placed in an attempt to keep
the vehicles on the graded roadway corridor rather
than freely plunging over some embankment or
careening off into an area with lots of closely spaced
older trees...

The guard rail itself is not designed to prevent injuries
by collapsing but attempt to prevent serious injuries by
redirecting vehicles to a safer area to crash... Crumple
zones on cars do that work...

Crash tests are done crashing vehicles into solid objects
(other cars and barricades) on the same level ground surface
as the moving vehicle being tested, add falling any significant
distance down an incline during a crash and impacting
into immovable heavy objects and the weight of the vehicle,
occupants and any cargo has more of an effect...

Or, they have given good service, and need resharpening.

Christopher A. Young
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"James Gagney" wrote in message
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The gold colored bit drilled into the guardrail like it was soft steel.
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/9249368.jpg

Obviously my 'other' bits are junk!

I had envisioned the muffler clamp the other way, with the bolts outside the
guard rail. Use wing nuts, instead of wrench nuts. Cover the wing nuts with
heavy grease, so they don't rust.

If the bag rips, put a second bag over the top of the trash can, and then
invert the whole mess. Pull the trash can out of the new trash bag.

You did make a drain hole for when it rains, and the trash can fills with
water?

Christopher A. Young
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"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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Trust us, we got the message: Titanium rules.

Of course, twere it me, I'd have come up with a method that makes removing
the can very simple.

The first time the bag rips and all of the used condoms, empty beer cans
and DNA covered underwear ends up in the bottom of the can, you are going
to wish that you could just dump it all out instead of having to climb
inside and grab all that nasty stuff.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:15:24 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Or, they have given good service, and need resharpening.

Good point. While the original Sheffield bits are about 30 years old,
they didn't 'look' dull.

Of course, they didn't work - so it's 'something'.

I don't have a grinding wheel, so I'd have to get one before I could
sharpen them (unless there is another way that doesn't use a grinder).

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:19:20 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I had envisioned the muffler clamp the other way, with the bolts outside
the guard rail. Use wing nuts, instead of wrench nuts. Cover the wing
nuts with heavy grease, so they don't rust.

Actually, that's a much better engineered solution:
a) The smooth rounded end won't rip the plastic garbage bag
b) The wingnuts would be easier to remove when needed
c) The grease would forestall them rusting solid

If the bag rips, put a second bag over the top of the trash can, and
then invert the whole mess. Pull the trash can out of the new trash bag.

The bad DOES rip at times ... and it gets full of water in the rainy
season, so that's a good idea also!

You did make a drain hole for when it rains

It only rains in the winter out here, but funny you should mention that
because, with the drill in hand, I decided to do just that. So, yes, now
there are drain holes in the bottom of the trash can.

Thanks for the wonderful advice!

I sharpen with a bench grinder, and the correct wrist twist. Some folks say
"Drill Doctor" does a good job.

I wonder if it's worth having you ship me the bits, I'll give em a going
over, and ship em back?

Christopher A. Young
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"James Gagney" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:15:24 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Or, they have given good service, and need resharpening.

Good point. While the original Sheffield bits are about 30 years old,
they didn't 'look' dull.

Of course, they didn't work - so it's 'something'.

I don't have a grinding wheel, so I'd have to get one before I could
sharpen them (unless there is another way that doesn't use a grinder).

Y'welcome. Glad we can be friends, even though we have never met.

Christopher A. Young
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"James Gagney" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:19:20 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I had envisioned the muffler clamp the other way, with the bolts outside
the guard rail. Use wing nuts, instead of wrench nuts. Cover the wing
nuts with heavy grease, so they don't rust.

Actually, that's a much better engineered solution:
a) The smooth rounded end won't rip the plastic garbage bag
b) The wingnuts would be easier to remove when needed
c) The grease would forestall them rusting solid

If the bag rips, put a second bag over the top of the trash can, and
then invert the whole mess. Pull the trash can out of the new trash bag.

The bad DOES rip at times ... and it gets full of water in the rainy
season, so that's a good idea also!

You did make a drain hole for when it rains

It only rains in the winter out here, but funny you should mention that
because, with the drill in hand, I decided to do just that. So, yes, now
there are drain holes in the bottom of the trash can.

Thanks for the wonderful advice!

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:19:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I sharpen with a bench grinder, and the correct wrist twist.
Some folks say "Drill Doctor" does a good job.

I can't imagine any sharpening service being a good value (compared to
the inexpensive price of the titanium bits I bought for $10 for a set of
about 50 bits).

However, believe it or not, I 'do' know how to sharpen drill bits as I
worked in a machine shop during my college years summers (decades ago).

So, for the $100 that a bench grinder costs, I 'should' just buy it (but
funds are low at the moment).

Anyway, I'll be fine (as I have 50 brand new bits!) ... but thanks for
the kind offer to help.

You're right about value. Sadly, so. Have you looked at Harbor Freight, for
a grinder? Might be worth it.
http://www.harborfreight.com/5-inch-...der-94186.html
Thirty five dollars.

Christopher A. Young
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"James Gagney" wrote in message
...

I can't imagine any sharpening service being a good value (compared to
the inexpensive price of the titanium bits I bought for $10 for a set of
about 50 bits).

However, believe it or not, I 'do' know how to sharpen drill bits as I
worked in a machine shop during my college years summers (decades ago).

So, for the $100 that a bench grinder costs, I 'should' just buy it (but
funds are low at the moment).

Anyway, I'll be fine (as I have 50 brand new bits!) ... but thanks for
the kind offer to help.

On Sep 8, 2:31*am, James Gagney
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 02:56:43 +0000, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Lovers and 'that' kind of trash usually means used rubbers, booze and
DNA stained underwear.

Oh. Yes. I read EVERY post also ... but I don't REMEMBER them all!

As you inferred, they do leave 'that' kind of trash, e.g., the undies,
one shoe (never two), condoms, and assorted beverage containers and fast-
food bags amongst the various and sundry items littered about.

They also beat a series of trails that goes into the brush parallel to
the cliff but that only go about ten or fifteen feet and then the trail
just stops, as if they turned around and gave up or something, yet with
crumpled toilet paper at various spots to the side of the trail.

I guess this is typical?

The trails are made by that kid who signs every attendance sheet ever
handed out by a substitute teacher:

I. P. Daily