I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

On 8/18/2012 11:14 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.


The house would absolutely positively have to be serviced by Comcast or
Verizon FiOS. I would not settle for DSL of any flavor.

And please send my condolences to your relatives. (I used to suffer with
Hughes.) :-(

On Aug 18, 9:12*am, surfin' savant wrote:
On 8/18/2012 11:14 AM, Metspitzer wrote:

I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. *We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. *We call that area dial up
country.

The house would absolutely positively have to be serviced by Comcast or
Verizon FiOS. I would not settle for DSL of any flavor.

And please send my condolences to your relatives. (I used to suffer with
Hughes.) *:-(

I debated Hughes then heard from people who had it.

I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

On Aug 18, 11:14*am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. *We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. *We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

~~ Evan

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:


I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

Evan wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:14 am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

~~ Evan

Hi,
Where my cabin is located we have gas. electricity and no land line
phone but cell phone works. We created a co-op for net access using WiFi
with an antenna tower and AP. We pulled the money for initial investment
and now cost is ~50.00/month per family as subscribers increase there is
possibility the cost may go down further.

At home I have full featured TV, two phone lines, 50/5 net access as a
bundle. 150.00 a month. Real time video streaming for home theater is
never a problem day or night.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:26:39 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:


I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.

I have DSL in this house. There was no cable service when I moved here but I
could get DSL (the house is well inside the city limits but is in a new
subdivision). The best I could buy was 1.5MB but after some problems (that
turned out to be the modem) they said I shouldn't have more than 768Kb
service, due to the distance to the CO, so downgraded me. OK, so I never got
above that, anyway and saved a little money. They ran cable by here a year or
so ago but I didn't see any point in changing since we were planning on
moving, somewhere. Our new house is in a very new subdivision (read: far from
completely built out) and it's DSL or Hughes, there too. I went with 6Mb DSL
(but get 3-4Mb). I'd rather have more (6Mb seems to be a good tradeoff) but
it seems "good enough".

The problem with Hughes is the download limit 1/4GB/mo, IIRC. Ick. My cell
phone is 6GB, though my data reception (only 3G) isn't great at the new place.
I lived with it for a couple of months, though.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:

On Aug 18, 11:14*am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. *We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. *We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

No, ****? I'm sure no one here knew any of that. Thank you for enlightening
us, Evan.

"Metspitzer" wrote in message
...
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.


When I moved about 6 years ago, that was one of the first questions I had
about the area. If they did not have cable internet it would have been a no
sale.

A friend of mine has a house about 1500 feet off the road. The cable line
runs right by the main road.. He had to pay about 2 to 4 thousand to get
the cable internet to his house. In his case it was necessary as he did a
lot of internet work and his wife has a business doing things over the
internet such as designing web pages. They were able to use it as a
business expense.

On 8/18/2012 11:12 AM, surfin' savant wrote:
On 8/18/2012 11:14 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.


The house would absolutely positively have to be serviced by Comcast or
Verizon FiOS. I would not settle for DSL of any flavor.

And please send my condolences to your relatives. (I used to suffer with
Hughes.) :-(


DSL would be fine. Hughesnet, not so much. We have a rental in
Hughsnet land. The tenants use 4g verizon.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:09:16 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


A friend of mine has a house about 1500 feet off the road. The cable line
runs right by the main road.. He had to pay about 2 to 4 thousand to get
the cable internet to his house. In his case it was necessary as he did a
lot of internet work and his wife has a business doing things over the
internet such as designing web pages. They were able to use it as a
business expense.



That cost was common a few years back. Our local cable company had a
200' limit for free, then it was $x per foot. With competition from
DSL and SAT TV, they started doing some free hookups.

On 08/18/2012 09:48 AM, Harry K wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

When I signed up with CL, the promotional flyer said speeds up to 7Mb,
but the CSR said I could only get 1Mb in my area, but within a few
months it would improve.

After three months I called them, and they bumped it up to 3Mb.

It's a lot slower than the 12Mb cable I was getting from comcrap, but
the price is a lot better.

Jon

On Aug 18, 3:29*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:









On Aug 18, 11:14 am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... *An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

No, ****? *I'm sure no one here knew any of that. *Thank you for enlightening
us, Evan.

Most of the replies were bitching about
satellite internet as if there were zero
other options besides dial--up connections...

That is clearly not factual and has been
for some time now, customers are just
unwilling to pay to build out the networks
to where they can be connected -- so it
is all about the money...

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:18:35 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:

On Aug 18, 3:29*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:









On Aug 18, 11:14 am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... *An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

No, ****? *I'm sure no one here knew any of that. *Thank you for enlightening
us, Evan.

Most of the replies were bitching about
satellite internet as if there were zero
other options besides dial--up connections...

No ****? Wow! You're smart, Evan.

That is clearly not factual and has been
for some time now, customers are just
unwilling to pay to build out the networks
to where they can be connected -- so it
is all about the money...

Good grief!

On 8/18/12 12:18 PM, Evan wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:14 am, wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

Maybe not. The Rural Utilities Service of the USDA might
foot some or all of the expense.
http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/Utilities_Assistance.html


It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The Rural Electrification Administration helped got power to
farms. A bit here about that:
http://tiny.cc/1gj9iw

Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

I don't see an entry for broadband on the MLS style sheets. But if a realtor
doesn't mention it, she should.

I would think you should be okay in most metropolitan areas. I'm in Houston
and www.speedtest.net just gave me the following numbers:

Ping: 11msec
Down: 24.89Mbps
Up: 3.45Mbps

Over a Comcast cable residential service.

On 8/18/2012 12:12 PM, surfin' savant wrote:
On 8/18/2012 11:14 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.


The house would absolutely positively have to be serviced by Comcast or
Verizon FiOS. I would not settle for DSL of any flavor.

And please send my condolences to your relatives. (I used to suffer with
Hughes.) :-(


Agree about the condolences ... but COMfrigginCAST? .... spit!!

I wouldn't buy the property way out there (wherever it is), but I know a
heap of people who could care less. In fact as long as (at least) wired
phone service was available they would be just fine.

Sorry about your DSL problems. Usenet and surfing is pretty much
instantaneous on DSL here (Verizon in SW PA) and WIFI works great. I can
get TV broadcasts as well, but as expected, it isn't as fast as cable
(tho pretty close), so I use DirecTV for TV, works a treat and is way
less expensive than cable. DirecTV has no problems with the DSL driven
home WIFI here, record from any of 5 TVs and watch on any of them
simultaneously, no problem.

As far as cable is concerned, unfortunately only Comcast here abouts...
spit!

When I signed up for satellite a while back I returned Comcast's
equipment in a kitty liter bucket and told them to keep the bucket.

John

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:18:35 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:

On Aug 18, 3:29Â*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:









On Aug 18, 11:14 am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... Â*An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

No, ****? Â*I'm sure no one here knew any of that. Â*Thank you for enlightening
us, Evan.

Most of the replies were bitching about
satellite internet as if there were zero
other options besides dial--up connections...

That is clearly not factual and has been
for some time now, customers are just
unwilling to pay to build out the networks
to where they can be connected -- so it
is all about the money...
DSL has a definite distance limit from the "central station" which
can NOT be exceded and still give you any kind of service - at ANY
price. Cable can be extended beyond the normal limit with the
installation of a digital bi-amp. For a price.

On Aug 18, 10:26*am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! *The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". *He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. *Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. *Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. *I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) *to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. *I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

Harry K

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 18, 10:26*am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! *The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". *He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. *Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. *Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. *I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) *to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. *I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

Harry K

Can you find a close-by Christie ground box with a tap? If so, it
world just be a matter of copper into the house (CAT 6).
--

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 18, 10:26*am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! *The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". *He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. *Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. *Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. *I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) *to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. *I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

You think they can tap that just for you?

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:08:52 -0400, John wrote:

On 8/18/2012 12:12 PM, surfin' savant wrote:
On 8/18/2012 11:14 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.


The house would absolutely positively have to be serviced by Comcast or
Verizon FiOS. I would not settle for DSL of any flavor.

And please send my condolences to your relatives. (I used to suffer with
Hughes.) :-(


Agree about the condolences ... but COMfrigginCAST? .... spit!!

I had ComCast for six months, recently. The service was pretty good,
actually.

I wouldn't buy the property way out there (wherever it is), but I know a
heap of people who could care less. In fact as long as (at least) wired
phone service was available they would be just fine.

I certainly wouldn't be happy with dial-up.

Sorry about your DSL problems. Usenet and surfing is pretty much
instantaneous on DSL here (Verizon in SW PA) and WIFI works great. I can
get TV broadcasts as well, but as expected, it isn't as fast as cable
(tho pretty close), so I use DirecTV for TV, works a treat and is way
less expensive than cable. DirecTV has no problems with the DSL driven
home WIFI here, record from any of 5 TVs and watch on any of them
simultaneously, no problem.

Wired phone DSL. It takes a very good, short, line to get DSL at all.

As far as cable is concerned, unfortunately only Comcast here abouts...
spit!

I'd certainly take it over either DSL service I have now. It was twice as
fast as my other line and ten times faster than this line.

When I signed up for satellite a while back I returned Comcast's
equipment in a kitty liter bucket and told them to keep the bucket.

Whatever.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:36:59 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

I don't see an entry for broadband on the MLS style sheets. But if a realtor
doesn't mention it, she should.

Don't believe them. Agents don't know and will tell you what you want to
hear. BTDT.

I would think you should be okay in most metropolitan areas. I'm in Houston
and www.speedtest.net just gave me the following numbers:

Ping: 11msec
Down: 24.89Mbps
Up: 3.45Mbps

Over a Comcast cable residential service.

AL AT&T DSL: Ping: 87msec
Down: .70Mb/sec
Up: .11Mb/sec

Great, huh! If I remember, I'll report my GA numbers Monday but they're
usually about 4-5x that, still not spectacular.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:36:59 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago
and they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area
dial up country.

I don't see an entry for broadband on the MLS style sheets. But if a
realtor doesn't mention it, she should.

Don't believe them. Agents don't know and will tell you what you
want to hear. BTDT.

I would think you should be okay in most metropolitan areas. I'm in
Houston and www.speedtest.net just gave me the following numbers:

Ping: 11msec
Down: 24.89Mbps
Up: 3.45Mbps

Over a Comcast cable residential service.

AL AT&T DSL: Ping: 87msec
Down: .70Mb/sec
Up: .11Mb/sec

Great, huh! If I remember, I'll report my GA numbers Monday but
they're usually about 4-5x that, still not spectacular.

Damn, I must be lucky. Verizon Fios

Ping 5ms
download 42.95Mbps
Up 25.95Mbps

have to admit, it's smokin fast

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 01:21:16 -0500, "ChairMan" wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:36:59 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago
and they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area
dial up country.

I don't see an entry for broadband on the MLS style sheets. But if a
realtor doesn't mention it, she should.

Don't believe them. Agents don't know and will tell you what you
want to hear. BTDT.

I would think you should be okay in most metropolitan areas. I'm in
Houston and www.speedtest.net just gave me the following numbers:

Ping: 11msec
Down: 24.89Mbps
Up: 3.45Mbps

Over a Comcast cable residential service.

AL AT&T DSL: Ping: 87msec
Down: .70Mb/sec
Up: .11Mb/sec

Great, huh! If I remember, I'll report my GA numbers Monday but
they're usually about 4-5x that, still not spectacular.

Damn, I must be lucky. Verizon Fios

Ping 5ms
download 42.95Mbps
Up 25.95Mbps

have to admit, it's smokin fast

Just now using Cox cable:

Ping 47ms
Down 23.4 Mbps
Up 5.68 Mbps

Question is how accurate is that test? I'm only paying for "up to"
15Mbps down. Some days it reads as high as 35 Mbps down. I don't know
whether to be happy or skeptical.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:36:59 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago
and they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area
dial up country.

I don't see an entry for broadband on the MLS style sheets. But if a
realtor doesn't mention it, she should.

Don't believe them. Agents don't know and will tell you what you
want to hear. BTDT.


Good point. Like everything else an agent tells you, it's prudent to confirm
the claim. Fortunately, that's not too hard.

On 8/18/2012 11:23 PM, Harry K wrote:
On Aug 18, 10:26 am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

Harry K


And often no business connections either. Unless you have really
significant requirements and want say gigibit MAE service they won't bother.

What most people don't realize is that unless they are in a major market
many businesses are stuck with crappy Internet because the cable company
wired the residential neighborhoods and never thought about the
commercial and what used to be industrial areas and the phone companies
often care very little about upgrading their wired infrastructure.

On 8/19/2012 12:24 AM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 18, 10:26 am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

Harry K

Can you find a close-by Christie ground box with a tap? If so, it
world just be a matter of copper into the house (CAT 6).


But they often don't want small customers. We have an office location
where one leg of an MAE ring runs right past the building. They want you
to buy a 1G connection minimum for them to consider providing service.

On 8/18/2012 1:18 PM, Evan wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:14 am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...


We border on what used to be a rural area where people decided they
don't want neighbors so they moved out there . There are maybe 10
homes/mile. The few people who live there are constantly making noise
about why everyone else should pay to bring cable services to their homes.


It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

Exactly, but for some reason people will pay for that but want cable
infrastructure installed for free.



The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

~~ Evan

On 8/18/2012 8:18 PM, Evan wrote:
On Aug 18, 3:29 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:









On Aug 18, 11:14 am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

No, ****? I'm sure no one here knew any of that. Thank you for enlightening
us, Evan.

Most of the replies were bitching about
satellite internet as if there were zero
other options besides dial--up connections...

That is clearly not factual and has been
for some time now, customers are just
unwilling to pay to build out the networks
to where they can be connected -- so it
is all about the money...

A friend moved out to a rural area and the power company wanted around
$30k to extend the power lines and they paid that because they don't
want neighbors. But yet they keep on insisting the cable company is
rotten because they won't build out to their property for free.

On 8/18/2012 10:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:18:35 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:

On Aug 18, 3:29 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote:









On Aug 18, 11:14 am, Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The cost is what makes an area devoid of broadband.....

No, ****? I'm sure no one here knew any of that. Thank you for enlightening
us, Evan.

Most of the replies were bitching about
satellite internet as if there were zero
other options besides dial--up connections...

That is clearly not factual and has been
for some time now, customers are just
unwilling to pay to build out the networks
to where they can be connected -- so it
is all about the money...
DSL has a definite distance limit from the "central station" which
can NOT be exceded and still give you any kind of service - at ANY
price. Cable can be extended beyond the normal limit with the
installation of a digital bi-amp. For a price.

Sure, but their is a easy remedy for that. They just install a remote
DSLAM . But the problem is phone companies are largely not interested in
maintaining or upgrading their wired networks because say they put a
remote DSLAM down the block from you they still can't offer TV.

On 8/18/2012 8:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/18/12 12:18 PM, Evan wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:14 am, wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago and
they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area dial up
country.

Umm... An "area without broadband" is one which
is too far away from the population center where
the central facilities for various services are located...

The cable or phone company is not going to string
10 miles of cables to serve two houses, if those
homes really want the services they have to pay
to build them out from the closest network access
point to the premises they wish to be connected...

Maybe not. The Rural Utilities Service of the USDA might
foot some or all of the expense.
http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/Utilities_Assistance.html


It is just like getting electrical service to a remote
location.

The Rural Electrification Administration helped got power to
farms. A bit here about that:
http://tiny.cc/1gj9iw


Sure, it made sense to help make our food supply more efficient by
bringing electric lights, motors and refrigeration to farmers. But what
value is to the average taxpayer to pay for someones broadband because
they live in a sparsely populated area typically by choice?

On 8/18/2012 4:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:09:16 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


A friend of mine has a house about 1500 feet off the road. The cable line
runs right by the main road.. He had to pay about 2 to 4 thousand to get
the cable internet to his house. In his case it was necessary as he did a
lot of internet work and his wife has a business doing things over the
internet such as designing web pages. They were able to use it as a
business expense.



That cost was common a few years back. Our local cable company had a
200' limit for free, then it was $x per foot. With competition from
DSL and SAT TV, they started doing some free hookups.


Comcast does it by estimating construction cost. They will eat the first
so many dollars per installation.

On 8/19/2012 3:44 AM, AaronL wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 01:21:16 -0500, "ChairMan" wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:36:59 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago
and they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area
dial up country.

I don't see an entry for broadband on the MLS style sheets. But if a
realtor doesn't mention it, she should.

Don't believe them. Agents don't know and will tell you what you
want to hear. BTDT.

I would think you should be okay in most metropolitan areas. I'm in
Houston and www.speedtest.net just gave me the following numbers:

Ping: 11msec
Down: 24.89Mbps
Up: 3.45Mbps

Over a Comcast cable residential service.

AL AT&T DSL: Ping: 87msec
Down: .70Mb/sec
Up: .11Mb/sec

Great, huh! If I remember, I'll report my GA numbers Monday but
they're usually about 4-5x that, still not spectacular.

Damn, I must be lucky. Verizon Fios

Ping 5ms
download 42.95Mbps
Up 25.95Mbps

have to admit, it's smokin fast

Just now using Cox cable:

Ping 47ms
Down 23.4 Mbps
Up 5.68 Mbps

Question is how accurate is that test? I'm only paying for "up to"
15Mbps down. Some days it reads as high as 35 Mbps down. I don't know
whether to be happy or skeptical.


Tests are fooled by what comcast calls "powerboost" . Basically the
first part of a connection is allowed to go through at a much faster
than your rated speed. So it fools the sppedtest sites and is great for
bragging rights for people who don't realize what is happening.

On Aug 18, 9:34*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:





On Aug 18, 10:26 am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. *A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. *It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

You think they can tap that just for you?

Of course I don't. Why did you think I did?

Harry K

On Aug 19, 6:09*am, George wrote:
On 8/18/2012 11:23 PM, Harry K wrote:





On Aug 18, 10:26 am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! *The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". *He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. *Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. *Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. *I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) *to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. *I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. *A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. *It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

Harry K

And often no business connections either. Unless you have really
significant requirements and want say gigibit MAE service they won't bother.

What most people don't realize is that unless they are in a major market
many businesses are stuck with crappy Internet because the cable company
wired the residential neighborhoods and never thought about the
commercial and what used to be industrial areas and the phone companies
often care very little about upgrading their wired infrastructure.

Yep. 1 mile down the road from me is one of the biggest John Deere
dealerships in this area. The fiber optic rus right by them - no
tap. I can see the tower they use for internet from my bedroom
windwo.

Harry K

On 8/19/12 9:45 AM, Harry K wrote:

Yep. 1 mile down the road from me is one of the biggest John Deere
dealerships in this area. The fiber optic rus right by them - no
tap. I can see the tower they use for internet from my bedroom
windwo.

Harry K

That tower might be for their GPS. It could be a correction tower
for the farmers' tracking systems. Farm equipment can steer itself now.

On 8/19/2012 10:45 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:09 am, George wrote:
On 8/18/2012 11:23 PM, Harry K wrote:





On Aug 18, 10:26 am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

Harry K

And often no business connections either. Unless you have really
significant requirements and want say gigibit MAE service they won't bother.

What most people don't realize is that unless they are in a major market
many businesses are stuck with crappy Internet because the cable company
wired the residential neighborhoods and never thought about the
commercial and what used to be industrial areas and the phone companies
often care very little about upgrading their wired infrastructure.

Yep. 1 mile down the road from me is one of the biggest John Deere
dealerships in this area. The fiber optic rus right by them - no
tap. I can see the tower they use for internet from my bedroom
windwo.

Harry K

We have a facility and slow DSL is all there is. Last year one of the
cell companies put a site really close to that facility. Verizon ran
almost 4 miles of fiber from their CO to the new cell site. I got all of
the info I could from the cell people and no one in Verizon is even the
slightest bit interested in talking to me about getting connectivity
over the spare fiber they ran.

We looked at a point to point link and an 80' tower would be needed to
clear a ridge. It would cost $30,000 to put up a freestanding tower.

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 18, 9:34*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:





On Aug 18, 10:26 am, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I did get broadband through century link - hah! The promies 5 meg.
Tech stepped otu of truck an said:
"I don't care what they promised you, you ain't gonna get 5 megs,
mayby 1 meg". He tuned up every junction box from my house to town
and got me 640k on a good day. Still beat dial-up by a mile.
Neighber down the road from my 1/4 mile tried for broadband. Tech: No
way!

Harry K

Hmm. I recently moved from Cox Cable (3Mbps) to Century Link. ADSL
and promised 10Mbps. I get an average of 8.x Mbps down and ~ 1.x Mbps
up.

The quality of lines, new connectors and the router - Cisco (includes
wireless) all make a difference in ADSL speed quality. This comes down
a fiber optic line, then copper to the house.

DVR, Set top box for each TV, price lock for 5 years, $150.00 gift
card, phone line with all the whistles free, etc.

I'm very happy compared to Cox Cable.
--

That is the annoying part here. *A huge fiber optic line runs right
past my house just 100 " away. *It is the major feed between towns, no
resisdential connections.

You think they can tap that just for you?

Of course I don't. Why did you think I did?

What's the point of the whine about it running right by your house, if you
know it can't be used? It might just as well be a hundred miles away?

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 06:39:57 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:36:59 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
I sure would have to think hard about moving to an area without
broadband. We have relatives that just bought a house a year ago
and they are forced to use Hughes satellite. We call that area
dial up country.

I don't see an entry for broadband on the MLS style sheets. But if a
realtor doesn't mention it, she should.

Don't believe them. Agents don't know and will tell you what you
want to hear. BTDT.


Good point. Like everything else an agent tells you, it's prudent to confirm
the claim. Fortunately, that's not too hard.

It turned out to be rather impossible. Comcast's site claimed we were in their
service area. Considering that the house is in a part of the development that
isn't yet built out (there are only two houses, of perhaps twenty, on my
street). I was skeptical but Comcast confirmed, until I went to order service.
Fortunately, AT&T had reasonable DSL service there. Hughes, with it's 250MB
monthly cap, wasn't going to cut it. I had 3G service but it was really weak
(often only available next to the window).