DerbyDad03 wrote:

In my on-going search for a roofing contractor,

Look.

You're putting way too much thought into this.

Roofing contractors are lucky if they know how much unskilled labor they
are going to have tommorrow let alone next week.

Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is, with a
high percentage of transient workers.

You should just select and order the materials yourself from your local
wholesaler (shingles, tar paper, ice-guard if so needed for your
climate) and have it delivered to your rooftop, and then select a roofer
based on how much they quote - given they just have to bring nails,
hammers and people.

On Apr 20, 8:06*pm, Home Guy wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
In my on-going search for a roofing contractor,

Look.

You're putting way too much thought into this.

Roofing contractors are lucky if they know how much unskilled labor they
are going to have tommorrow let alone next week.

Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is, with a
high percentage of transient workers.

You should just select and order the materials yourself from your local
wholesaler (shingles, tar paper, ice-guard if so needed for your
climate) and have it delivered to your rooftop, and then select a roofer
based on how much they quote - given they just have to bring nails,
hammers and people.

You are kidding right? You *have* to be.

I have a hammer. I have nails. I have people. If it's only about the
price of labor, why don't I just do it myself?

Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

DerbyDad03 wrote:

Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is,
with a high percentage of transient workers.

You are kidding right? You *have* to be.

No. I'm not kidding.

I have a hammer. I have nails. I have people. If it's only about
the price of labor, why don't I just do it myself?

Many people do that (do it themselves).

The biggest issue is having a few extra people to get the job done in
under 2 or 3 days.

Contrary to popular belief, most DIY's don't have access to 4 or 5
"friends" who are willing and able to put down their keyboards for a few
days straight and get all roughed up and bruised to help tear off and
put up some shingles.

Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof with
them - performing your own examination and being critical of their work
WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. Maybe even give them a hand, moving bundles
around, helping with the chalk lines.

On 4/21/2012 9:24 AM, Home Guy wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:

Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is,
with a high percentage of transient workers.
You are kidding right? You *have* to be.
No. I'm not kidding.

I have a hammer. I have nails. I have people. If it's only about
the price of labor, why don't I just do it myself?
Many people do that (do it themselves).

The biggest issue is having a few extra people to get the job done in
under 2 or 3 days.

Contrary to popular belief, most DIY's don't have access to 4 or 5
"friends" who are willing and able to put down their keyboards for a few
days straight and get all roughed up and bruised to help tear off and
put up some shingles.

Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.
Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof with
them - performing your own examination and being critical of their work
WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. Maybe even give them a hand, moving bundles
around, helping with the chalk lines.

I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch, but
help? I don't think so.

If I understand correctly, roofing companies can contract out jobs but
they still need to supervise the work. If they get way too busy they
can't even do that effectively. The company I hired supervised "some" of
the work they contracted out but the part that wasn't supervised leaked.

FWIW: I'd suggest "not" getting the work done after a bad hail or wind
storm. Check the company out at the BBB and get references.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:24:06 -0400, Home Guy wrote:




Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.


It certainly isn't, but some roofs are a bit more complex with
valleys, flashing, angled joints and such that can destroy the
underlayment if not done right. You won't know for years in some
cases.

A simple ranch roof, not so much, just a lot of hot and heavy work.

gonjah wrote:

This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical
of their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. Maybe even give them a
hand, moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.

I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch,
but help? I don't think so.

That's exactly what I did when I had my roof done about 6 years ago.

I was up there, practically like one of the crew. About the only thing
I didn't do was any nailing.

I had about 8 sheets of decking replaced - mostly the sections that
formed the eaves. When each sheet came off, I had my shop vac up there
and I vacuumed out the junk that was there (which included a few dried
up squirel carcasses).

With the decking sections removed, I took pictures from various angles
for documentation so I could refer to them later when I did any soffit
or attic work. These pictures show how the varous trusses and joists
run, some vent lines and even some electrical wiring that would have
been a pain for me to trace from inside the attic when it was closed up.

I also re-arranged the insulation and the eave-baffles to insure good
air flow. I added additional insulation where I found it was lacking.

I've also helped a few friends and family do their roofs over the
years. It's got to be one of the simplest jobs that a homeowner can do
(from a "fussy" or meticulous point of view) while being some-what
physically demanding.

On Apr 21, 4:03*pm, Home Guy wrote:
gonjah wrote:
This is roofing we're talking about. *It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical
of their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. *Maybe even give them a
hand, moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.

I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch,
but help? I don't think so.

That's exactly what I did when I had my roof done about 6 years ago.

I was up there, practically like one of the crew. *About the only thing
I didn't do was any nailing.

I had about 8 sheets of decking replaced - mostly the sections that
formed the eaves. *When each sheet came off, I had my shop vac up there
and I vacuumed out the junk that was there (which included a few dried
up squirel carcasses).

With the decking sections removed, I took pictures from various angles
for documentation so I could refer to them later when I did any soffit
or attic work. *These pictures show how the varous trusses and joists
run, some vent lines and even some electrical wiring that would have
been a pain for me to trace from inside the attic when it was closed up.

I also re-arranged the insulation and the eave-baffles to insure good
air flow. *I added additional insulation where I found it was lacking.

I've also helped a few friends and family do their roofs over the
years. *It's got to be one of the simplest jobs that a homeowner can do
(from a "fussy" or meticulous point of view) while being some-what
physically demanding.

I think a lot of the folks on this group are getting on a bit.
A lot depends on the height of the building too.
I have built complete houses in the past but not sure I'd want to do
it now.
Some people are just hopeless with tools too.

On 4/21/2012 10:03 AM, Home Guy wrote:
gonjah wrote:

This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical
of their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. Maybe even give them a
hand, moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.
I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch,
but help? I don't think so.
That's exactly what I did when I had my roof done about 6 years ago.

I was up there, practically like one of the crew. About the only thing
I didn't do was any nailing.

I had about 8 sheets of decking replaced - mostly the sections that
formed the eaves. When each sheet came off, I had my shop vac up there
and I vacuumed out the junk that was there (which included a few dried
up squirel carcasses).

With the decking sections removed, I took pictures from various angles
for documentation so I could refer to them later when I did any soffit
or attic work. These pictures show how the varous trusses and joists
run, some vent lines and even some electrical wiring that would have
been a pain for me to trace from inside the attic when it was closed up.

I also re-arranged the insulation and the eave-baffles to insure good
air flow. I added additional insulation where I found it was lacking.

I've also helped a few friends and family do their roofs over the
years. It's got to be one of the simplest jobs that a homeowner can do
(from a "fussy" or meticulous point of view) while being some-what
physically.

:-)

On 4/21/2012 10:10 AM, harry wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:03 pm, Home wrote:
gonjah wrote:
This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.
And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical
of their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. Maybe even give them a
hand, moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.
I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch,
but help? I don't think so.
That's exactly what I did when I had my roof done about 6 years ago.

I was up there, practically like one of the crew. About the only thing
I didn't do was any nailing.

I had about 8 sheets of decking replaced - mostly the sections that
formed the eaves. When each sheet came off, I had my shop vac up there
and I vacuumed out the junk that was there (which included a few dried
up squirel carcasses).

With the decking sections removed, I took pictures from various angles
for documentation so I could refer to them later when I did any soffit
or attic work. These pictures show how the varous trusses and joists
run, some vent lines and even some electrical wiring that would have
been a pain for me to trace from inside the attic when it was closed up.

I also re-arranged the insulation and the eave-baffles to insure good
air flow. I added additional insulation where I found it was lacking.

I've also helped a few friends and family do their roofs over the
years. It's got to be one of the simplest jobs that a homeowner can do
(from a "fussy" or meticulous point of view) while being some-what
physically demanding.
I think a lot of the folks on this group are getting on a bit.
A lot depends on the height of the building too.
I have built complete houses in the past but not sure I'd want to do
it now.
Some people are just hopeless with tools too.

With all the sue happy people in the US I doubt this happens much
anymore. I think most workers would appreciate it if the homeowners got
out of the way and let them do their jobs. It ****es me off is when they
don't even want you to watch.

I think a lot of the folks on this group are getting on a bit.
A lot depends on the height of the building too.
I have built complete houses in the past but not sure I'd want to do
it now.
Some people are just hopeless with tools too.
Hi,
Once I called my BIL to help me doig some work on my roof.
He obliged and came up but I felt he was not feeling goo,
practically he was shaking and crawling with frozen expression on his
face. Later I found out from SIL he was VERY afraid of height from.
He is a retired air force officer, a Kiwi. I told him, I was sorry.

On Apr 21, 11:03*am, Home Guy wrote:
gonjah wrote:
This is roofing we're talking about. *It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical
of their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. *Maybe even give them a
hand, moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.

I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch,
but help? I don't think so.

That's exactly what I did when I had my roof done about 6 years ago.

I was up there, practically like one of the crew. *About the only thing
I didn't do was any nailing.

I had about 8 sheets of decking replaced - mostly the sections that
formed the eaves. *When each sheet came off, I had my shop vac up there
and I vacuumed out the junk that was there (which included a few dried
up squirel carcasses).

With the decking sections removed, I took pictures from various angles
for documentation so I could refer to them later when I did any soffit
or attic work. *These pictures show how the varous trusses and joists
run, some vent lines and even some electrical wiring that would have
been a pain for me to trace from inside the attic when it was closed up.

I also re-arranged the insulation and the eave-baffles to insure good
air flow. *I added additional insulation where I found it was lacking.

I've also helped a few friends and family do their roofs over the
years. *It's got to be one of the simplest jobs that a homeowner can do
(from a "fussy" or meticulous point of view) while being some-what
physically demanding.

"Somewhat physically demanding" being the understatement of the
century, if you're someone like YT who doesn't deal well at all with
hot weather. Bring lots of water up there with you and some gatorade
as well. Trust me on this one.

My last house had a metal roof and that made me very, very happy. I
made a few minor repairs where some edging got damaged in a heavy
snowstorm, but that was it.

nate

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:24:06 -0400, Home Guy wrote:




Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.


It certainly isn't, but some roofs are a bit more complex with
valleys, flashing, angled joints and such that can destroy the
underlayment if not done right. You won't know for years in some
cases.

Bingo! It appears Homoguy did some grunt work, now he's an self proclaimed
expert on roofing. I had to "LOL" when I read about him & his vacuum
cleaner on the roof.



A simple ranch roof, not so much, just a lot of hot and heavy work.

Home Guy wrote in :

DerbyDad03 wrote:

Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is,
with a high percentage of transient workers.

You are kidding right? You *have* to be.

No. I'm not kidding.

I have a hammer. I have nails. I have people. If it's only about
the price of labor, why don't I just do it myself?

Many people do that (do it themselves).

The biggest issue is having a few extra people to get the job done in
under 2 or 3 days.

Contrary to popular belief, most DIY's don't have access to 4 or 5
"friends" who are willing and able to put down their keyboards for a
few days straight and get all roughed up and bruised to help tear off
and put up some shingles.

Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. It's not rocket science.

Not pointing to you directly but many who said this indeed go up and put
up a nice looking roof...and **** it up with a time bomb...because in a
couple of years (or less) problems come up. They screw up the flashing,
valleys, skylights, etc.


And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof with
them - performing your own examination and being critical of their
work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. Maybe even give them a hand, moving
bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.


From a repair I did. Siding rotting on both sides of a chimney:


Here's a jaboni who had no clue what kickout flashing was:
http://oi43.tinypic.com/j8jn7q.jpg

And when you start to take it apart:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/1xz3nk.jpg
http://oi43.tinypic.com/2uhwhg0.jpg
http://oi44.tinypic.com/166yfc7.jpg

And the other side...
http://oi40.tinypic.com/jqhpvp.jpg


What should have been done:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/30w30jq.jpg


And they wouldn't have to pay big bucks to get it back like:
http://oi43.tinypic.com/2h5sbxi.jpg

On Apr 21, 10:24*am, Home Guy wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is,
with a high percentage of transient workers.
You are kidding right? You *have* to be.

No. *I'm not kidding.

I have a hammer. I have nails. I have people. If it's only about
the price of labor, why don't I just do it myself?

Many people do that (do it themselves).

The biggest issue is having a few extra people to get the job done in
under 2 or 3 days.

Contrary to popular belief, most DIY's don't have access to 4 or 5
"friends" who are willing and able to put down their keyboards for a few
days straight and get all roughed up and bruised to help tear off and
put up some shingles.

Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. *It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof with
them - performing your own examination and being critical of their work
WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. *Maybe even give them a hand, moving bundles
around, helping with the chalk lines.

Well, I guess it's true...they really will let *anybody* access the
internet.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT), N8N
wrote:

On Apr 21, 11:03Â*am, Home Guy wrote:
gonjah wrote:
This is roofing we're talking about. Â*It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical
of their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. Â*Maybe even give them a
hand, moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.

I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch,
but help? I don't think so.

That's exactly what I did when I had my roof done about 6 years ago.

I was up there, practically like one of the crew. Â*About the only thing
I didn't do was any nailing.

I had about 8 sheets of decking replaced - mostly the sections that
formed the eaves. Â*When each sheet came off, I had my shop vac up there
and I vacuumed out the junk that was there (which included a few dried
up squirel carcasses).

With the decking sections removed, I took pictures from various angles
for documentation so I could refer to them later when I did any soffit
or attic work. Â*These pictures show how the varous trusses and joists
run, some vent lines and even some electrical wiring that would have
been a pain for me to trace from inside the attic when it was closed up.

I also re-arranged the insulation and the eave-baffles to insure good
air flow. Â*I added additional insulation where I found it was lacking.

I've also helped a few friends and family do their roofs over the
years. Â*It's got to be one of the simplest jobs that a homeowner can do
(from a "fussy" or meticulous point of view) while being some-what
physically demanding.

"Somewhat physically demanding" being the understatement of the
century, if you're someone like YT who doesn't deal well at all with
hot weather. Bring lots of water up there with you and some gatorade
as well. Trust me on this one.

My last house had a metal roof and that made me very, very happy. I
made a few minor repairs where some edging got damaged in a heavy
snowstorm, but that was it.

nate
You don't want to be doing a black roof in August - trust me!!! I
did 2 on the farm one summer when I was 14 and it darn near killed me.

On Apr 21, 9:58*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT), N8N
wrote:





On Apr 21, 11:03*am, Home Guy wrote:
gonjah wrote:
This is roofing we're talking about. *It's not rocket science.

And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical
of their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. *Maybe even give them a
hand, moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.

I'm not following. Any decent contractor would want you to watch,
but help? I don't think so.

That's exactly what I did when I had my roof done about 6 years ago.

I was up there, practically like one of the crew. *About the only thing
I didn't do was any nailing.

I had about 8 sheets of decking replaced - mostly the sections that
formed the eaves. *When each sheet came off, I had my shop vac up there
and I vacuumed out the junk that was there (which included a few dried
up squirel carcasses).

With the decking sections removed, I took pictures from various angles
for documentation so I could refer to them later when I did any soffit
or attic work. *These pictures show how the varous trusses and joists
run, some vent lines and even some electrical wiring that would have
been a pain for me to trace from inside the attic when it was closed up.

I also re-arranged the insulation and the eave-baffles to insure good
air flow. *I added additional insulation where I found it was lacking.

I've also helped a few friends and family do their roofs over the
years. *It's got to be one of the simplest jobs that a homeowner can do
(from a "fussy" or meticulous point of view) while being some-what
physically demanding.

"Somewhat physically demanding" being the understatement of the
century, if you're someone like YT who doesn't deal well at all with
hot weather. *Bring lots of water up there with you and some gatorade
as well. *Trust me on this one.

My last house had a metal roof and that made me very, very happy. *I
made a few minor repairs where some edging got damaged in a heavy
snowstorm, but that was it.

nate

* You don't want to be doing a black roof in August - trust me!!! I
did 2 on the farm one summer when I was 14 and it darn near killed me.

summer roofs lay better, smooth and likely the shingles stick down
better to.

i know for a fact cold weather is a bad time to install roofs.

and black is a poor color choice in most places.

it causes excess roof heating, making homes with or without AC hotter,
and black shingles have shorter lives

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:51:01 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

summer roofs lay better, smooth and likely the shingles stick down
better to.

i know for a fact cold weather is a bad time to install roofs.

and black is a poor color choice in most places.

it causes excess roof heating, making homes with or without AC hotter,
and black shingles have shorter lives

All true. I went with dark gray instead.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

summer roofs lay better, smooth and likely the shingles stick
down better to.

i know for a fact cold weather is a bad time to install roofs.

and black is a poor color choice in most places.

All true.

No.

Spring and fall are better times to put up shingles vs summer (from the
pov of the comfort and exertion of the installers). You don't want to
handle and walk on shingles in the heat of summer.

The shingles will stick just fine once they get hot (and they will
eventually get hot once summer rolls around) and they will "smooth" out
over time (not that I buy the idea that they can somehow be laid
anything but flat and smooth regardless the temperature).

I agree that black is the worst color to have for shingles (because of
heat) followed by the very lightest colors (because of staining).

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 08:57:22 -0400, Home Guy wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

summer roofs lay better, smooth and likely the shingles stick
down better to.

i know for a fact cold weather is a bad time to install roofs.

and black is a poor color choice in most places.

All true.

No.

Spring and fall are better times to put up shingles vs summer (from the
pov of the comfort and exertion of the installers). You don't want to
handle and walk on shingles in the heat of summer.

The shingles will stick just fine once they get hot (and they will
eventually get hot once summer rolls around) and they will "smooth" out
over time (not that I buy the idea that they can somehow be laid
anything but flat and smooth regardless the temperature).

They need to get hot fairly soon after they're laid, though, or they may not
flatten out. You risk the whole job until it does get hot enough to seal
them.

I agree that black is the worst color to have for shingles (because of
heat) followed by the very lightest colors (because of staining).

I don't see *any* light colored roofs where I live (either AL or GA). Most
newer houses do use black or a very dark brown. You see, the dirt is red. ;-)

On Apr 21, 4:58*pm, Red Green wrote:
Home Guy wrote :





DerbyDad03 wrote:

Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is,
with a high percentage of transient workers.

You are kidding right? You *have* to be.

No. *I'm not kidding.

I have a hammer. I have nails. I have people. If it's only about
the price of labor, why don't I just do it myself?

Many people do that (do it themselves).

The biggest issue is having a few extra people to get the job done in
under 2 or 3 days.

Contrary to popular belief, most DIY's don't have access to 4 or 5
"friends" who are willing and able to put down their keyboards for a
few days straight and get all roughed up and bruised to help tear off
and put up some shingles.

Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. *It's not rocket science.

Not pointing to you directly but many who said this indeed go up and put
up a nice looking roof...and **** it up with a time bomb...because in a
couple of years (or less) problems come up. They screw up the flashing,
valleys, skylights, etc.



And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof with
them - performing your own examination and being critical of their
work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. *Maybe even give them a hand, moving
bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.

From a repair I did. Siding rotting on both sides of a chimney:

Here's a jaboni who had no clue what kickout flashing was:http://oi43.tinypic.com/j8jn7q.jpg

And when you start to take it apart:http://oi40.tinypic.com/1xz3nk.jpght...om/166yfc7.jpg

And the other side...http://oi40.tinypic.com/jqhpvp.jpg

What should have been done:http://oi41.tinypic.com/30w30jq.jpg

And they wouldn't have to pay big bucks to get it back like:http://oi43.tinypic.com/2h5sbxi.jpg

The end result looks great. Nice job.

" wrote:

Spring and fall are better times to put up shingles vs summer
(from the pov of the comfort and exertion of the installers).
You don't want to handle and walk on shingles in the heat of
summer.

They need to get hot fairly soon after they're laid, though,
or they may not flatten out. You risk the whole job until it
does get hot enough to seal them.

I suggest that anyone seriously following this thread read this:

http://www.donan.com/assets/files/se...-sealStrip.pdf

=================
Owens Corning
“Your shingles contain strips of asphalt sealant that require
direct warm sunlight for several days in order to seal
properly."

GAF
“All self-sealing shingles, including GAFMC’s, must be subjected
to warm sunlight for several days before full thermal sealing
can occur."

What does this mean?

The precise amount of time a shingle must be exposed to a certain
minimum temperature before it should seal properly is unclear.

However, it is clear that the industry has great concern about
installing self-sealing asphalt shingles in cold weather for fear that
they will not seal down in time to prevent otherwise avoidable damage,
or that they may never seal as designed, as experience suggests.

Consider the dilemma – self-sealing shingles can’t seal down unless
they’re exposed to sufficient heat for a sufficient amount of time. This
heat will only be present in many parts of the U.S. and Canada in late
spring, summer, or early fall. However, it is common sense that roofs
are installed year round; therefore, it is also common sense that many
asphalt shingle roofs are installed during a time of year when they have
little to no chance of self-sealing. In turn, unless the roofing
contractor takes laborintensive hand-sealing precautions, these roofs
are then unsealed and susceptible to wind uplifting, creasing, or
possible blow-off – damages that are likely to occur during non-severe
weather and which are not attributable to a manufacturing defect.

There is both good and bad news.

The good news: When warm weather eventually arrives and the shingles get
warm enough that the sealant strip malleates and tries to bond to the
overlying or underlying shingle, they might seal properly. The bad
news: Since the shingles were exposed to the elements for perhaps
several months prior to warm temperatures, and were therefore drying out
during that time (an inherent quality of all asphalts), they may or may
not ever reach the full amount of adhesion the manufacturer intended.
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I had my roof put on in October, in a climate similar to Detroit,
Toronto or Buffalo. My shingles were architectural shingles (more heavy
than the standard 3-tab). They sealed just fine.

Even on what you think is a cool day - if it's sunny and not too much
wind your shingles will get nice and warm (and will flatten out and seal
properly). This is the sort of weather that you're going to want to
install them at anyways.

On 4/22/2012 8:58 AM, Home Guy wrote:
....

Even on what you think is a cool day - if it's sunny and not too much
wind your shingles will get nice and warm (and will flatten out and seal
properly). ...

If'en they actually get direct sun; meanwhile the side that doesn't may
well not be warm enough at all...and here's a reason so many roofers
will choose the dark color specifically for the warming effect whereas a
light color will reflect a far higher percentage of the incident
radiation and may not get warm enough. The homeowner then pays the
price of higher cooling bills and earlier wearout from the hot
weather--"you can pay me now or you can pay me later".

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On 4/22/2012 7:57 AM, Home Guy wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

summer roofs lay better, smooth and likely the shingles stick
down better to.

i know for a fact cold weather is a bad time to install roofs.

and black is a poor color choice in most places.
All true.
No.

Spring and fall are better times to put up shingles vs summer (from the
pov of the comfort and exertion of the installers). You don't want to
handle and walk on shingles in the heat of summer.

The shingles will stick just fine once they get hot (and they will
eventually get hot once summer rolls around) and they will "smooth" out
over time (not that I buy the idea that they can somehow be laid
anything but flat and smooth regardless the temperature).

I agree that black is the worst color to have for shingles (because of
heat) followed by the very lightest colors (because of staining).

What I'm doing next time is getting the southern exposure done in as
white as possible and the north in whatever color the wife wants. From
the street you can only see the north side anyway.

I know this idea has been kicked around before, but has anyone here
painted shingles with anything like SnowRoof? I've used on flat roofs
and duct work. The mfg site says nothing about shingles IIRC.

DerbyDad03 wrote in
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On Apr 21, 4:58*pm, Red Green wrote:
Home Guy wrote :





DerbyDad03 wrote:

Roofing has got to be the most fly-by-night industry there is,
with a high percentage of transient workers.

You are kidding right? You *have* to be.

No. *I'm not kidding.

I have a hammer. I have nails. I have people. If it's only about
the price of labor, why don't I just do it myself?

Many people do that (do it themselves).

The biggest issue is having a few extra people to get the job done
in under 2 or 3 days.

Contrary to popular belief, most DIY's don't have access to 4 or 5
"friends" who are willing and able to put down their keyboards for
a few days straight and get all roughed up and bruised to help tear
off and put up some shingles.

Oh yeah...maybe it's about quality of workmanship, know-how and
someone to call back if there's a problem.

Now I ask - you're kidding - right?

This is roofing we're talking about. *It's not rocket science.

Not pointing to you directly but many who said this indeed go up and
put up a nice looking roof...and **** it up with a time
bomb...because in a couple of years (or less) problems come up. They
screw up the flashing, valleys, skylights, etc.



And if you were any kind of man, you'd be up there on your roof
with them - performing your own examination and being critical of
their work WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT. *Maybe even give them a hand,
moving bundles around, helping with the chalk lines.

From a repair I did. Siding rotting on both sides of a chimney:

Here's a jaboni who had no clue what kickout flashing
was:http://oi43.tin
ypic.com/j8jn7q.jpg

And when you start to take it
apart:http://oi40.tinypic.com/1xz3nk.jpghtt
p://oi43.tinypic.com/2uhwhg0.jpghttp://oi44.tinypic.com/166yfc7.jpg

And the other side...http://oi40.tinypic.com/jqhpvp.jpg

What should have been done:http://oi41.tinypic.com/30w30jq.jpg

And they wouldn't have to pay big bucks to get it back
like:http://oi43.t
inypic.com/2h5sbxi.jpg

The end result looks great. Nice job.

Thanks. Appreciate the compliment.

assume a shingle roof is installed in october, and fails to get hot
enough to seal till spring. say june......

in the meantime dust gets into the sealing sufaces and they never
adhere properly.

a few short years later and your getting another new roof........

This happened to a couple friends...... really inconvenient

Let the roofer suffer in the heat, have the roof installed in mid
summer.

here crews start work early like daybreak and quit early to avoid the
worst part of the heat.......

might as well do a roof right in your lifetime how many will you pay
for?