http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.
--
EA

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:46:43 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Allen Drake wrote:

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

That's what you get for electing a borderline mentally handicapped
person (George Bush) for your president. Twice no less.

When you go off invading countries countries in the middle east and call
it a "war" and spend trillions of dollars on foolhardy escapades like
that, you get a country in pitty-full shape.

Bush's strategery worked out real well, as did Rumsfeld's known unknowns
and Cheney's secret energy meetings.

How did Bush's push for increased home-ownership rates pan out?

Home Guy wrote:

Allen Drake wrote:

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

That's what you get for electing a borderline mentally handicapped
person (George Bush) for your president. Twice no less.

When you go off invading countries countries in the middle east and call
it a "war" and spend trillions of dollars on foolhardy escapades like
that, you get a country in pitty-full shape.

Bush's strategery worked out real well, as did Rumsfeld's known unknowns
and Cheney's secret energy meetings.

How did Bush's push for increased home-ownership rates pan out?


You need to get out of the house and into some fresh air, with more
oxygen.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Oct 13, 4:12*pm, "Existential Angst" wrote:
http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...e-cheaply-forb...

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? *Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise -- *
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. *And with smaller mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.
--
EA

These surveys never make any sense because they can never apply their
research to the interests of everyone. If what makes you happy, be it
the music scene, cultural scene, dance, work, or community of folks
with a common interest etc... can only be had in a less than "optimal"
place, then that is paradise to you. There are just way too many
factors to weigh for people that have interests outside of just going
to work and coming home for 30 years, raising kids, then dying. If
you have any life at all outside that, then these surveys are
meaningless because they only consider one or two economic factors.
If you truly loved bowling would you want to live somewhere with no
bowling alley for 50 miles no matter how great a bargain the local
economy is?

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:47:28 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the LEFT wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Pity you cant spell either

Btw..I corrected it for accuracy.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:41:26 -0400, Home Guy wrote:

Allen Drake wrote:

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

That's what you get for electing a borderline mentally handicapped
person (Bill Clinton) for your president. Twice no less.

Corrected for accuracy.

Gunner


"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

"RickH" wrote in message
...
On Oct 13, 4:12 pm, "Existential Angst" wrote:
http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...e-cheaply-forb...

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots
of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller
mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.
--
EA

These surveys never make any sense because they can never apply their
research to the interests of everyone. If what makes you happy, be it
the music scene, cultural scene, dance, work, or community of folks
with a common interest etc... can only be had in a less than "optimal"
place, then that is paradise to you. There are just way too many
factors to weigh for people that have interests outside of just going
to work and coming home for 30 years, raising kids, then dying. If
you have any life at all outside that, then these surveys are
meaningless because they only consider one or two economic factors.
If you truly loved bowling would you want to live somewhere with no
bowling alley for 50 miles no matter how great a bargain the local
economy is?
=================================================

Well, these were all sizable cities, so bowling shouldn't be a problem.

Sure, an individual has to sleuth specifics, but cheap, low crime, good
schools is a good basic beginning.
Makes more sense to me than NYeffingCity, where a 500 sq ft studio costs
$500,000, just to be cool, and near Robert fuknDeNiro.
--
EA

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:16:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:47:28 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the LEFT wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Pity you cant spell either

Btw..I corrected it for accuracy.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)


Ya. I forgot that Clinton got the blow job that brought the whole
county to it's knees.

Whaahahhahahaa........

Just like a wingnut to blame everyone else for starting two wars
based on lies that got more Americans killed then all terrorist acts
combined.

Home Guy wrote:
Allen Drake wrote:

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

That's what you get for electing a borderline mentally handicapped
person (George Bush) for your president. Twice no less.

When you go off invading countries countries in the middle east and
call it a "war" and spend trillions of dollars on foolhardy escapades
like that, you get a country in pitty-full shape.

Bush's strategery worked out real well, as did Rumsfeld's known
unknowns and Cheney's secret energy meetings.

How did Bush's push for increased home-ownership rates pan out?

Bush never pushed for greater home ownership rates. You're thinking of the
Community Reinvestment Act, originally passed under the Carter
administration and greatly expanded in 1995 under Clinton.

This act, and its implementation, was the single greatest cause of the
housing crisis.

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of places
outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every corner.
The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world. Half your
population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve as a result. Go
to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them. Don't waste bandwidth
whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to metalworking,





"Allen Drake" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:46:43 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the
geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots
of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller
mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100, "Grumpy"
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of places
outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every corner.
The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world. Half your
population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve as a result. Go
to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them. Don't waste bandwidth
whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to metalworking,


You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

On 10/14/2011 8:46 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........


Which might be perfect for the OPs "bidness" because as an example there
might be an experienced pool of workers. But since they gave absolutely
no details who knows?

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

Places have died and places are reborn.


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

HeyBub wrote:

How did Bush's push for increased home-ownership rates pan out?

Bush never pushed for greater home ownership rates.

Why do you lie?

============
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...1-20-fha_x.htm

Posted 1/20/2004 1:31 AM
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
By Thomas A. Fogarty, USA TODAY

In a bid to boost minority homeownership, President Bush will ask
Congress for authority to eliminate the down-payment requirement for
Federal Housing Administration loans.
============

YouTube - Home Ownership and President Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

On Oct 16, 6:58*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Home Guy wrote:
Allen Drake wrote:

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

That's what you get for electing a borderline mentally handicapped
person (George Bush) for your president. *Twice no less.

When you go off invading countries countries in the middle east and
call it a "war" and spend trillions of dollars on foolhardy escapades
like that, you get a country in pitty-full shape.

Bush's strategery worked out real well, as did Rumsfeld's known
unknowns and Cheney's secret energy meetings.

How did Bush's push for increased home-ownership rates pan out?

Bush never pushed for greater home ownership rates. You're thinking of the
Community Reinvestment Act, originally passed under the Carter
administration and greatly expanded in 1995 under Clinton.

This act, and its implementation, was the single greatest cause of the
housing crisis.

Totally wrong. The act and its implementation was that people who
would normally qualify for mortgages could not be denied a mortgage
just because they lived in a redlined area, being an area that a
lender had arbitrarily decided that they would automatically refuse.
lenders still had to verify that the loan where economically valid.

Home Guy wrote:

============
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...1-20-fha_x.htm
============

YouTube - Home Ownership and President Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

See also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wASFRavojBY

Allen Drake wrote in
:

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:46:43 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...-cheaply-forbe
s.aspx?cp-documentid=6855877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the
geography, but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana
f'sure. But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a
surprise -- altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently
lots of retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with
smaller mosquitoes than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart,
Ind. Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly
40 yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on
acreage. And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a
significant amount.

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.



Actually,the "progessives" are the ones who have ruined America.
The more socialism they enacted and implemented,the worse America became.
You can see it in the "education" field the best. Kids "graduating" are
dumber than they've ever been.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Allen Drake wrote in
:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100, "Grumpy"
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of
places outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every
corner. The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world.
Half your population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve
as a result. Go to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them.
Don't waste bandwidth whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to
metalworking,


You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

"the US is all about hate and lies",yet we are the ones who are FIRST with
aid and assistance when disasters strike,who ensured Europe's freedom for
more than 60 years,we promote human rights worldwide,plus America has made
life better for many people around the world through medical
advances,weather and tsunami warnings,higher food production
techniques,etc.

You simply are clueless,or brainwashed by the "progressives"
"education"/indoctrination system.Or both.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Allen Drake wrote in
:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:16:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:47:28 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly
40 yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on
acreage. And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a
significant amount.

Until the LEFT wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Pity you cant spell either

Btw..I corrected it for accuracy.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's
goal in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man
to run our country." - David Lloyyd (2008)


Ya. I forgot that Clinton got the blow job that brought the whole
county to it's knees.

Whaahahhahahaa........

Just like a wingnut to blame everyone else for starting two wars
based on lies that got more Americans killed then all terrorist acts
combined.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-now-know-jim-
lacey

excerpts;

SADDAM AND WMDS
When American tanks smashed into Baghdad, Saddam had already completed
construction of an anthrax production facility, which was a week away from
going live. If it had been permitted to go into production, this one
facility could have produced ten tons of weaponized anthrax a year.


Anthrax, however, was far from the only WMD Saddam was actively researching
and working assiduously to acquire. He also had teams working overtime to
create a stockpile of some of the most deadly biological weapons possible.
Several years ago, the press had a field day when two suspected mobile bio-
labs, presented at the U.N. as evidence of Saddam’s continuing WMD
development programs, actually turned out to be weather-balloon stations.
That same press, however, then ignored the fact that postwar investigators
found five actual mobile bio-labs in and around Baghdad. One of these labs
was discovered in a mosque, which had been placed off-limits to prewar U.N.
inspectors. Another was found in Baghdad’s Central Public Health
Laboratory. One can imagine the anguished cries from the Left if we had
bombed what the Iraqis claimed was a public-health facility. Saddam even
had a huge bio-warfare production facility masquerading as the Samarra Drug
Company. This facility would have been capable of producing up to 10,000
liters of deadly pathogens a year. It was less than a month from going into
production when the invasion of Iraq began. If this plant had turned its
attention to botulinum toxin, it could have produced enough in a few months
to wipe out the world. Again, how would bombing a plant that Saddam would
claim was producing life-saving drugs have played in the media?


there's more,educate yourself,read the article.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Oct 16, 4:11*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Allen Drake wrote :





On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100, "Grumpy"
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of
places outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every
corner. The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world.
Half your population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve
as a result. Go to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them.
Don't waste bandwidth whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to
metalworking,

*You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

"the US is all about hate and lies",yet we are the ones who are FIRST with
aid and assistance when disasters strike,who ensured Europe's freedom for
more than 60 years,we promote human rights worldwide,plus America has made
life better for many people around the world through medical
advances,weather and tsunami warnings,higher food production
techniques,etc.

You simply are clueless,or brainwashed by the "progressives"
"education"/indoctrination system.Or both.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

US aid comes with strings that route it right back to America. Much of
it is military aid which goes to fill a country with US made weapons
the manfacture of which enriches capitalists in America.
Bit here on the US and foreign aid.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/...ent-assistance
The USA is one of the worst for foreign aid. Full of false promises.

On Oct 16, 4:11*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Allen Drake wrote :





On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100, "Grumpy"
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of
places outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every
corner. The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world.
Half your population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve
as a result. Go to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them.
Don't waste bandwidth whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to
metalworking,

*You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

"the US is all about hate and lies",yet we are the ones who are FIRST with
aid and assistance when disasters strike,who ensured Europe's freedom for
more than 60 years,we promote human rights worldwide,plus America has made
life better for many people around the world through medical
advances,weather and tsunami warnings,higher food production
techniques,etc.

You simply are clueless,or brainwashed by the "progressives"
"education"/indoctrination system.Or both.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

America started the war de facto with Japan. (You cut off their oil
supply) It was part of the Eastward expansion plan.

The Germans declared war on you, you needed our help as this was
unexpected. You did not come running to Europe's aid.

Since inception, the USA has killed hundreds of thousands of people in
pursuit of wealth. That is in fact the reason for 11-9. Some of them
got fed up with all. You are truely the great Satan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_(military)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny

Jim Yanik wrote:

"the US is all about hate and lies",yet we are the ones who are
FIRST with aid and assistance when disasters strike

Only if there's crude oil at stake somewhere nearby

who ensured Europe's freedom for more than 60 years

Only to keep europe out of the orbit of the soviet union.

we promote human rights worldwide

Tell that to Africa.

And why does China have most-favored-nation status when it comes to
trade with the US? Why do you look the other way when it comes to human
rights when dealing with china?

higher food production techniques

Yes. Monsanto and ADM just love to sell poor coutries high-yield
genetically modified plants, and the specially patented insecticides and
herbicides to go along with them.

You simply are clueless, or brainwashed by the "progressives"
"education"/indoctrination system. Or both.

You're the one that's been effectively brainwashed.

Jim Yanik wrote:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-now-know-jim-
lacey

excerpts;

SADDAM AND WMDS

When American tanks smashed into Baghdad, Saddam had already
completed construction of an anthrax production facility, which
was a week away from going live. If it had been permitted to go
into production, this one facility could have produced ten tons
of weaponized anthrax a year.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1150

With much of southern Iraq in the hands of coalition forces by the
weekend after the opening of hostilities, reporters naturally started
asking where the weapons we "Bush administration officials were
peppered yesterday with questions about why allied forces in Iraq have
not found any of the chemical or biological weapons that were President
Bush's central justification for forcibly disarming Iraqi President
Saddam Hussein's government," the Washington Post reported (3/23/03).

Miraculously, the answer seemed to come that Sunday night (3/23/03),
when military officials told the media of a "chemical facility" found in
the southern town of Najaf. "Bob, as you know, there's a lot of talk
right now about a chemical cache that has been found at a chemical
facility," MSNBC anchor Forrest Sawyer told White House correspondent
Bob Kur. "I underscore, we do not know what the chemicals are, but it
sure has gotten spread around fast."

It sure had. Over on Fox News Channel (3/23/03), the headline banners
were already rolling: "HUGE CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACTORY FOUND IN SO
IRAQ.... REPORTS: 30 IRAQIS SURRENDER AT CHEM WEAPONS PLANT.... COAL
TROOPS HOLDING IRAQI IN CHARGE OF CHEM WEAPONS." The Jerusalem Post,
whose embedded reporter helped break the story along with a Fox
correspondent, announced in a front-page headline (3/24/03), "U.S.
Troops Capture First Chemical Plant."

The next day (10/24/03), a Fox correspondent in Qatar quietly issued an
update to the story: The "chemical weapons facility discovered by
coalition forces did not appear to be an active chemical weapons
facility." Further testing was required. In fact, U.S. officials had
admitted that morning that the site contained no chemicals at all and
had been abandoned long ago (Dow Jones wire, 3/24/03).

So went the weapons hunt. On numerous occasions, the discovery of a
stash of illegal Iraqi arms was loudly announced--often accompanied by
an orgy of triumphalist off-the-cuff punditry--only to be deflated
inconspicuously, and in a lower tone of voice, until the next false
alarm was sounded. In one episode, embedded NPR reporter John Burnett
(4/7/03) recounted the big news he'd learned from a "top military
official": "the first solid confirmed existence of chemical weapons by
the Iraqi army." According to Burnett, an army unit near Baghdad had
discovered "20 BM-21 medium-range rockets with warheads containing sarin
nerve gas and mustard gas."

When NPR Morning Edition anchor Susan Stamberg asked Burnett, "So this
is really a major discovery, isn't it?" he assented: "If it turns out to
be true, the commander told us this morning this would be a smoking gun.
This would vindicate the administration's claims that the Iraqis had
chemicals all along." Of course, it turned out not to be true. A
Pentagon official, Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, told reporters the next
day (4/8/03) that he had "seen nothing in official reports that would
corroborate that."

On April 26, ABC World News Tonight blared an "exclusive" report: "U.S.
troops discover chemical agents, missiles and what could be a mobile
laboratory in Iraq." Correspondent David Wright explained that the Army
soldiers had found "14 55-gallon drums, at least a dozen missiles and
150 gas masks" testing positive for chemical weapons, including a nerve
agent and a blistering agent. He added that an Army lieutenant "says the
tests have an accuracy of 98 percent."

Perhaps somewhat self-consciously, ABC followed Wright's report with a
short segment about previous weapons claims that turned out to be false
alarms. But the network continued to pump the story the next day, with
anchor Carole Simpson introducing it as the lead segment on World News
Sunday (4/27/03): "For the second day in a row, some of the preliminary
tests have come back positive for chemical agents."

But when the U.S. Mobile Exploration Team (MET Bravo) arrived on the
scene to conduct its own tests, it "tentatively concluded that there are
no chemical weapons at a site where American troops said they had found
chemical agents and mobile labs," the New York Times reported the next
day (4/28/03). A member of the team told the Times simply: "The earlier
reports were wrong."

--------------
lots more stuff here
-------------

Centerpiece or hot air?

Having suffered a series of public humiliations from the conspicuous
absence of unconventional weapons, the administration made it known that
it was pinning its hopes on two trailers found in northern Iraq, which
they termed mobile biological weapons labs. On May 12, NBC News
correspondent Jim Avila, reporting from Baghdad, declared that the labs
"may be the most significant WMD findings of the war." Joining him was
hawkish former U.N. nuclear inspector David Kay (now an "NBC News
analyst"), who was flown to Iraq to perform an impromptu inspection for
the cameras. Armed with a pointer, he rattled off the trailer 's parts:
"This is a compressor. You want to keep the fermentation process under
pressure so it goes faster. This vessel is the fermenter...." In his
report, Avila didn't explain how and why Kay and the NBC crew obtained
access to the trailers while the legally mandated U.N. inspection team,
UNMOVIC, had been barred from looking at them.

The trailers quickly became the "centerpiece" (New York Times, 5/21/03)
of the administration's argument that Iraq was indeed hiding a
biowarfare program, and Bush himself used them to proclaim (5/31/03)
that "for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing
devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them." No actual
biological agents were found on the trucks, though; nor were any
ingredients for biological weapons. In fact, no direct evidence linked
the trailers to biological production at all.

U.S. officials said the trailers' equipment was capable of making such
agents. Even then, the unconcentrated slurry that resulted could not
have been put into a weapon: "Other units that we have not yet found
would be needed to prepare and sterilize the media and to concentrate
and possibly dry the agent, before the agent is ready for introduction
into a delivery system," the CIA's report admitted (5/28/03).

Iraqi scientists who worked at the institute where one of the trailers
was found offered a different explanation: They told interrogators that
the labs were used to produce hydrogen for military weather balloons.
"Even while conceding that the equipment could, in fact, have been used
occasionally to make hydrogen" (New York Times, 5/21/03), the CIA report
dismissed that explanation, reasoning that such a production technique
"would be inefficient." (Yet the weapon-making technique imputed to the
trailers was also "inefficient," an intelligence official admitted--New
York Times, 5/29/03.) In fact, a technical analysis alone, they said,
"would not lead you intuitively and logically to biological warfare"
(New York Times, 5/29/03).

On the other hand, the trailer's equipment "appeared to contain traces
of aluminum, a metal that can be used to create hydrogen." Yet that was
discounted by U.S. officials, who said the aluminum "might have been
planted by Iraqis to create the illusion that the units had made gas for
weather balloons" (New York Times, 5/21/03).

A few weeks later, a front-page New York Times article by Judith Miller
and William Broad (6/7/03) quoted senior intelligence analysts who
doubted the trailers were used for biological weapons. "I have no great
confidence that it's a fermenter," one WMD specialist said of a key
piece of equipment on the trailer. (In his TV performance on NBC, David
Kay had evinced total confidence that it was.) The CIA report, he said,
"was a rushed job and looks political."

Analysts noted that the trailers "lacked gear for steam sterilization,
normally a prerequisite for any kind of biological production." "That's
a huge minus," said a U.S. government biological expert who had been
quoted in an earlier Judith Miller article endorsing the
administration's theory. "I don't see how you can clean those tanks
chemically." A senior administration official was quoted admitting that
"some analysts give the hydrogen claim more credence."

It's worth noting that in the 1980s, the British defense contractor
Marconi received a government-backed loan to sell the Iraqi army an
Artillery Meteorological System, an artillery radar system that uses
weather balloons to track wind patterns (London Guardian, 2/28/03).

Allen Drake wrote:

You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.


Do you do any metalworking, or do you just whine al the time? All
I've seen is that you have a bad case of PMS.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:33:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Allen Drake wrote:

You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.


Do you do any metalworking, or do you just whine al the time? All
I've seen is that you have a bad case of PMS.

Capitulation accepted.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 04:07:14 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:16:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:47:28 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the LEFT wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Pity you cant spell either

Btw..I corrected it for accuracy.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)


Ya. I forgot that Clinton got the blow job that brought the whole
county to it's knees.

Whaahahhahahaa........

What..I dont recall the Clinton Lies ever being mentioned here. Nor his
impeachment.

Was there some reason you wished to mention those? Stupidity on your
part perhaps?

Just like a wingnut to blame everyone else for starting two wars
based on lies that got more Americans killed then all terrorist acts
combined.

So JFK and LBJ were wingnuts?

Odd. Now about Libya, Afghanistan and now the Sudan....are you calling
the Obamassiah a a wingnut too?

Gunner

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100, "Grumpy"
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of places
outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every corner.
The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world. Half your
population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve as a result. Go
to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them. Don't waste bandwidth
whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to metalworking,


Sure it has occured to thinking people.

However there are thousands of places INSIDE the US that are good places
to live as well.

Now about Oz....its certainly better than the UK..but its hardly all
that good.

Gunner





"Allen Drake" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:46:43 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the
geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots
of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller
mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:11:27 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100, "Grumpy"
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of places
outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every corner.
The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world. Half your
population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve as a result. Go
to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them. Don't waste bandwidth
whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to metalworking,


You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

So you you are in a park someplace protesting and ****ting in a plastic
bag?

Sucks to be you. Gonna be hanging around when the snow falls?

Laugh laugh laugh!!

This is gonna be fun to watch when winter sets in....VBG

Gunner

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:54:51 -0400, George
wrote:

On 10/14/2011 8:46 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography,
but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure.
But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise --
altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently lots of
retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with smaller mosquitoes
than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart, Ind.
Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........


Which might be perfect for the OPs "bidness" because as an example there
might be an experienced pool of workers. But since they gave absolutely
no details who knows?

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

Places have died and places are reborn.

Yes indeed.

Too bad the time frame between revivals tends to be decades long.




It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:14:58 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:11:27 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100, "Grumpy"
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of places
outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every corner.
The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world. Half your
population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve as a result. Go
to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them. Don't waste bandwidth
whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to metalworking,


You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

So you you are in a park someplace protesting and ****ting in a plastic
bag?

Sucks to be you. Gonna be hanging around when the snow falls?

Laugh laugh laugh!!

This is gonna be fun to watch when winter sets in....VBG

Gunner

There you go again with more lies. This is all you tards know how to
do. Posting with your head up your ass again hey Gummer?

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:11:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 04:07:14 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:16:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:47:28 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the LEFT wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Pity you cant spell either

Btw..I corrected it for accuracy.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)


Ya. I forgot that Clinton got the blow job that brought the whole
county to it's knees.

Whaahahhahahaa........

What..I dont recall the Clinton Lies ever being mentioned here. Nor his
impeachment.

Was there some reason you wished to mention those? Stupidity on your
part perhaps?

Just like a wingnut to blame everyone else for starting two wars
based on lies that got more Americans killed then all terrorist acts
combined.

So JFK and LBJ were wingnuts?

Odd. Now about Libya, Afghanistan and now the Sudan....are you calling
the Obamassiah a a wingnut too?

Gunner

Clinton lying about his personal life got no one killed. Who cares
about Clinton's personal affairs? He is still more popular then Bush
the war Criminal.

Obama got Bin Laden and Quadaffi and countless other terrorists while
Bush admitted he stopped caring a long time ago.

It must really suck to be you Gummer.

Allen Drake wrote:

Capitulation accepted.


Congratulations! Your DIY lobotomy with a rusty pocket knife was
100% a success.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:40:36 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Allen Drake wrote:

Capitulation accepted.


Congratulations! Your DIY lobotomy with a rusty pocket knife was
100% a success.

Grow a brain winger.

Allen Drake wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:40:36 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Allen Drake wrote:

Capitulation accepted.


Congratulations! Your DIY lobotomy with a rusty pocket knife was
100% a success.

Grow a brain winger.


Yawn. Practice what you preach.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On 10/16/2011 10:14 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:
Allen wrote in
:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:16:37 -0700, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:47:28 -0400, Allen
wrote:


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly
40 yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on
acreage. And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a
significant amount.

Until the LEFT wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Pity you cant spell either

Btw..I corrected it for accuracy.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's
goal in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man
to run our country." - David Lloyyd (2008)


Ya. I forgot that Clinton got the blow job that brought the whole
county to it's knees.

Whaahahhahahaa........

Just like a wingnut to blame everyone else for starting two wars
based on lies that got more Americans killed then all terrorist acts
combined.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-now-know-jim-
lacey

excerpts;

SADDAM AND WMDS
When American tanks smashed into Baghdad, Saddam had already completed
construction of an anthrax production facility, which was a week away from
going live. If it had been permitted to go into production, this one
facility could have produced ten tons of weaponized anthrax a year.


Anthrax, however, was far from the only WMD Saddam was actively researching
and working assiduously to acquire. He also had teams working overtime to
create a stockpile of some of the most deadly biological weapons possible.
Several years ago, the press had a field day when two suspected mobile bio-
labs, presented at the U.N. as evidence of Saddam’s continuing WMD
development programs, actually turned out to be weather-balloon stations.
That same press, however, then ignored the fact that postwar investigators
found five actual mobile bio-labs in and around Baghdad. One of these labs
was discovered in a mosque, which had been placed off-limits to prewar U.N.
inspectors. Another was found in Baghdad’s Central Public Health
Laboratory. One can imagine the anguished cries from the Left if we had
bombed what the Iraqis claimed was a public-health facility. Saddam even
had a huge bio-warfare production facility masquerading as the Samarra Drug
Company. This facility would have been capable of producing up to 10,000
liters of deadly pathogens a year. It was less than a month from going into
production when the invasion of Iraq began. If this plant had turned its
attention to botulinum toxin, it could have produced enough in a few months
to wipe out the world. Again, how would bombing a plant that Saddam would
claim was producing life-saving drugs have played in the media?


there's more,educate yourself,read the article.


I remember the hysterically funny "Baby Milk Factory" hand drawn sign
that the Leftists pointed out and screamed bloody murder because it had
been bombed. ^_^

TDD

On 10/16/2011 4:07 PM, Allen Drake wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:11:55 -0700, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 04:07:14 -0400, Allen
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:16:37 -0700, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:47:28 -0400, Allen
wrote:


It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly 40
yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on acreage.
And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a significant
amount.

Until the LEFT wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.

Pity you cant spell either

Btw..I corrected it for accuracy.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)


Ya. I forgot that Clinton got the blow job that brought the whole
county to it's knees.

Whaahahhahahaa........

What..I dont recall the Clinton Lies ever being mentioned here. Nor his
impeachment.

Was there some reason you wished to mention those? Stupidity on your
part perhaps?

Just like a wingnut to blame everyone else for starting two wars
based on lies that got more Americans killed then all terrorist acts
combined.

So JFK and LBJ were wingnuts?

Odd. Now about Libya, Afghanistan and now the Sudan....are you calling
the Obamassiah a a wingnut too?

Gunner

Clinton lying about his personal life got no one killed. Who cares
about Clinton's personal affairs? He is still more popular then Bush
the war Criminal.

Obama got Bin Laden and Quadaffi and countless other terrorists while
Bush admitted he stopped caring a long time ago.

It must really suck to be you Gummer.

That's odd, there were people with information about the nefarious
activities of The Clintons dying all the time.

THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO...CS/BODIES.html

TDD

On 10/16/2011 7:11 AM, Allen Drake wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100,
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of places
outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every corner.
The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world. Half your
population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve as a result. Go
to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them. Don't waste bandwidth
whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to metalworking,


You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

Americans consist of people from all over the world. If America is so
awful, why do people keep moving here from other countries? It's very
puzzling to me a native born American who's ancestors came from all
over the planet. Why come to this so called horrible country? ^_^

TDD

On 10/16/2011 3:14 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:11:27 -0400, Allen
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:00:44 +1100,
wrote:

Did it ever occur to anyone on this newsgroup that there are a LOT of places
outside of the US that aregood places to live?
Places where you don't have crackheads and gangs hanging on every corner.
The place is stuffed. get out of it and join the real world. Half your
population dont vote and you get the politicians you deserve as a result. Go
to the polls and turf them out if you don't like them. Don't waste bandwidth
whining about it on a newsgroup dedicated to metalworking,


You will never learn of nice places around the world. The USA is all
about hate and lies that will always make it seem like the world
revolves around America and every place else is meaningless. Americans
are the greatest race of people on the planet. The right is in the
process of saving the universe from the left wing socialist commie pot
smoking baby killing Godless outcasts and Bush was the greatest leader
the world has ever known. I wonder who can ever fill his shoes. Maybe
Cain or Perry or Romney or Palin or any of the rest of those clueless
wing nuts can manage to funnel the rest of the money to the top 2%.

So you you are in a park someplace protesting and ****ting in a plastic
bag?

Sucks to be you. Gonna be hanging around when the snow falls?

Laugh laugh laugh!!

This is gonna be fun to watch when winter sets in....VBG

Gunner


Perhaps Russia will send aid because they know how to survive in very
cold climates. I'm sure The Obama Administration would allow foreign
aid workers to help the protesters survive the winter. ^_^

TDD

On 10/16/2011 10:06 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:
Allen wrote in
:

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:46:43 -0700, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:12:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...-cheaply-forbe
s.aspx?cp-documentid=6855877&GT1=33026

The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the
geography, but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana
f'sure. But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a
surprise -- altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap".

I thought Tennessee might be in there (TVA), and KY, but apparently
lots of retirees are flocking there, running up prices. And with
smaller mosquitoes than in Florida....

Note the relatively high crime rate in Fairbanks, about 6x Elkhart,
Ind. Most in the middle.

And the other Q is, Are these place also good for a bidniss??
Food fer thought.

Given that Michigan, California and Illinois are the top 3 WORST
economic basketcase states........

My dad has his house up for sale in Michigan. Grayling Michigan.

The town is dying.

It used to be a decent place to live..and he is leaving after nearly
40 yrs in that house. He and I built it...and its georgious, on
acreage. And a doublewide in a park in So. Cal sells for more by a
significant amount.

Until the right wingnut hacks got a hold of this counrty. Now the US
of A will never be the same.

Pitty.



Actually,the "progessives" are the ones who have ruined America.
The more socialism they enacted and implemented,the worse America became.
You can see it in the "education" field the best. Kids "graduating" are
dumber than they've ever been.


But they've learned to be politically correct and have high self esteem
as demonstrated by receiving trophies for just trying. ^_^

TDD