Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand their
current mess.

On 8/9/2011 2:41 PM, Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand their
current mess.

One way street - you can readily post from there but not read there.
They must know they're screwed up which means they are up to something.

Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand their
current mess.

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless thing?

On 8/9/2011 5:56 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand their
current mess.

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless thing?


Too much time on my hands.
Also now, Google is back to normal.
I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house that I
cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups. They are a PITA.

Frank wrote:

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless
thing?

Too much time on my hands.

He didn't ask why you read and post to usenet.

He asked why do you use google's web-based interface to read and post to
usenet.

Also now, Google is back to normal.

It is not "normal" for anyone to use google's web-based interface to
read and post to usenet.

I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house
that I cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups.

So you don't have your own home computer? You have to use a "client's"
computer at home? Doesn't your client want his computer returned to
him? What will you do then?

They are a PITA.

Your client, or Google?

If you need (or if you'd like) to have admin-level privleges on that
computer, look he

http://www.pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
Offline Windows Password & Registry Editor, Bootdisk / CD

That will allow you to reset or clear the admin password, allowing you
to log in as the system's administrator, which will allow you to do
anything you want with the computer.

On 8/10/2011 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:
Frank wrote:

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless
thing?

Too much time on my hands.

He didn't ask why you read and post to usenet.

He asked why do you use google's web-based interface to read and post to
usenet.

Also now, Google is back to normal.

It is not "normal" for anyone to use google's web-based interface to
read and post to usenet.

I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house
that I cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups.

So you don't have your own home computer? You have to use a "client's"
computer at home? Doesn't your client want his computer returned to
him? What will you do then?

They are a PITA.

Your client, or Google?

If you need (or if you'd like) to have admin-level privleges on that
computer, look he

http://www.pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
Offline Windows Password& Registry Editor, Bootdisk / CD

That will allow you to reset or clear the admin password, allowing you
to log in as the system's administrator, which will allow you to do
anything you want with the computer.

Google is the PITA.
As for computer, I'm expecting it will be shortly replaced and upgraded.
Client is in another state far from here and server is in the UK. Had a
complex computer situation a couple of weeks ago and upgrade will make
it occur again. Somewhat bothersome but as I bill for time, it does not
bother me. UK and US computer groups are not coordinated. Good for me,
as at my age, keeps me on my toes

On Aug 10, 9:11*am, Frank wrote:
On 8/10/2011 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:





Frank wrote:

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless
thing?

Too much time on my hands.

He didn't ask why you read and post to usenet.

He asked why do you use google's web-based interface to read and post to
usenet.

Also now, Google is back to normal.

It is not "normal" for anyone to use google's web-based interface to
read and post to usenet.

I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house
that I cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups.

So you don't have your own home computer? *You have to use a "client's"
computer at home? *Doesn't your client want his computer returned to
him? *What will you do then?

They are a PITA.

Your client, or Google?

If you need (or if you'd like) to have admin-level privleges on that
computer, look he

http://www.pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
Offline Windows Password& *Registry Editor, Bootdisk / CD

That will allow you to reset or clear the admin password, allowing you
to log in as the system's administrator, which will allow you to do
anything you want with the computer.

Google is the PITA.
As for computer, I'm expecting it will be shortly replaced and upgraded.
Client is in another state far from here and server is in the UK. *Had a
complex computer situation a couple of weeks ago and upgrade will make
it occur again. *Somewhat bothersome but as I bill for time, it does not
bother me. *UK and US computer groups are not coordinated. *Good for me,
as at my age, keeps me on my toes - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Google groups are a bit of pain but they have a web api and they are
free. Otherwise you need client software and if you're behind a
corporate firewall it might not work anyway.

If google would just quit having these mysterious days long down
times.........

Frank wrote:

As for computer, I'm expecting it will be shortly replaced and
upgraded. Client is in another state far from here and server
is in the UK. Had a complex computer situation a couple of
weeks ago and upgrade will make it occur again. Somewhat
bothersome but as I bill for time, it does not bother me.

I'm trying to understand what exactly your (home) computer situation is,
but your explanation has me scratching my head.

Normally here in north america, a consumer goes out to a retail store
and buys a computer for home use (or for use in a small business being
run out of your house). Much like you'd buy a toaster or coffee maker.

If we're talking about a "work-at-home" time of situation, where a
client (or employer) is supplying a "special" computer for you to use, I
would think that it's use would be heavily locked-down and limited to
work-related functions. But in any case for non-work use at home you
would have your own personal computer to surf the web, perform on-line
banking / shopping, e-mail, etc.

UK and US computer groups are not coordinated. Good for me,
as at my age, keeps me on my toes

Again, I'm not sure what you mean by "computer groups". I don't see how
any sort of geographic distinction is relavent to this discussion as to
why you're home computer use is limited or restricted by using a
"client" computer.

jamesgangnc used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:

Google groups are a bit of pain but they have a web api

That web api is what makes it less ergonomic to use vs a real usenet
client.

and they are free.

As has been mentioned many times in this and related threads, there are
many no-cost usenet servers and client software. Google's web-based
usenet interface does not have a cost advantage in this argument.

Otherwise you need client software

Which is a much more efficient and ergonomic way to experience usenet

and if you're behind a corporate firewall it might not work
anyway.

If you're behind a corporate firewall, you should presumably be doing
what your employer is paying you to do, instead of slacking off reading
usenet, facebook, etc.

If google would just quit having these mysterious days long
down times.........

I'm glad. Google-groups is finally going down in flames, rotting within
it's own dysfunctional corpse.

Hopefully the cloak of ignorance will be lifted from all of you using it
and you will experience the dawn of a new age of usenet enlightenment.

The rest of us here will welcome you as you emerge from your dank, dark
cave of google-groups and into the light as you experience usenet the
way it was intended.

On Aug 10, 10:04*am, Home Guy wrote:
jamesgangnc used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:

Google groups are a bit of pain but they have a web api

That web api is what makes it less ergonomic to use vs a real usenet
client.

and they are free.

As has been mentioned many times in this and related threads, there are
many no-cost usenet servers and client software. *Google's web-based
usenet interface does not have a cost advantage in this argument.

Otherwise you need client software

Which is a much more efficient and ergonomic way to experience usenet

and if you're behind a corporate firewall it might not work
anyway.

If you're behind a corporate firewall, you should presumably be doing
what your employer is paying you to do, instead of slacking off reading
usenet, facebook, etc.

If google would just quit having these mysterious days long
down times.........

I'm glad. *Google-groups is finally going down in flames, rotting within
it's own dysfunctional corpse.

Hopefully the cloak of ignorance will be lifted from all of you using it
and you will experience the dawn of a new age of usenet enlightenment.

The rest of us here will welcome you as you emerge from your dank, dark
cave of google-groups and into the light as you experience usenet the
way it was intended.

I afraid I really don't get this obssesive hatred of google's usenet
api. It's not fancy but usenet is just text based posts anyway.
It's web based and it's free. So one can use it anywhere there is web
access. From any device. Sure it doesn't have a lot of functionality
but if all one is after is to read usenet enties and occasionally
reply to one it's fine.

Your fancy usenet reader isn't capable of collapsing quoted text?
Perhaps you should get another one.

On Aug 10, 10:14*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:04*am, Home Guy wrote:





jamesgangnc used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:

Google groups are a bit of pain but they have a web api

That web api is what makes it less ergonomic to use vs a real usenet
client.

and they are free.

As has been mentioned many times in this and related threads, there are
many no-cost usenet servers and client software. *Google's web-based
usenet interface does not have a cost advantage in this argument.

Otherwise you need client software

Which is a much more efficient and ergonomic way to experience usenet

and if you're behind a corporate firewall it might not work
anyway.

If you're behind a corporate firewall, you should presumably be doing
what your employer is paying you to do, instead of slacking off reading
usenet, facebook, etc.

If google would just quit having these mysterious days long
down times.........

I'm glad. *Google-groups is finally going down in flames, rotting within
it's own dysfunctional corpse.

Hopefully the cloak of ignorance will be lifted from all of you using it
and you will experience the dawn of a new age of usenet enlightenment.

The rest of us here will welcome you as you emerge from your dank, dark
cave of google-groups and into the light as you experience usenet the
way it was intended.

I afraid I really don't get this obssesive hatred of google's usenet
api. *It's not fancy but usenet is just text based posts anyway.
It's web based and it's free. *So one can use it anywhere there is web
access. *From any device. *Sure it doesn't have a lot of functionality
but if all one is after is to read usenet enties and occasionally
reply to one it's fine.

Your fancy usenet reader isn't capable of collapsing quoted text?
Perhaps you should get another one.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree. It's like the flame wars of saying you suck because you use
a PC while I use a cool Apple. Or you suck because you still
use Internet Explorer while I use Firefox.

I also strongly suspect that most of those slamming Google Groups
never even used it. I use it and I've also used Outlook Express. IMO
GG is superior. It also lets me access groups from anywhere. That
let's me get to the newsgroups from a PC at an airport lounge or a
hotel, where you can't install and set up a newsreader app.

Those wishing for it's demise are going to be disappointed. It's back
up and running as of today. If you're reading this, there's the proof.

Home Guy wrote:
Frank wrote:

As for computer, I'm expecting it will be shortly replaced and
upgraded. Client is in another state far from here and server
is in the UK. Had a complex computer situation a couple of
weeks ago and upgrade will make it occur again. Somewhat
bothersome but as I bill for time, it does not bother me.

I'm trying to understand what exactly your (home) computer situation
is, but your explanation has me scratching my head.

My guess is that Frank means he has a company-owned computer and the
computer has security features built-in that prevent him (or other employees
with similar company-owned computers) from installing new programs. In
other words, his company-owned computer will allow access to the Internet
(or at least to most sites), but will not allow him to install a newsreader
such as outlook etc. I don't know if that is what he means, but that is my
guess.

On Aug 10, 10:14*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:04*am, Home Guy wrote:









jamesgangnc used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:

Google groups are a bit of pain but they have a web api

That web api is what makes it less ergonomic to use vs a real usenet
client.

and they are free.

As has been mentioned many times in this and related threads, there are
many no-cost usenet servers and client software. *Google's web-based
usenet interface does not have a cost advantage in this argument.

Otherwise you need client software

Which is a much more efficient and ergonomic way to experience usenet

and if you're behind a corporate firewall it might not work
anyway.

If you're behind a corporate firewall, you should presumably be doing
what your employer is paying you to do, instead of slacking off reading
usenet, facebook, etc.

If google would just quit having these mysterious days long
down times.........

I'm glad. *Google-groups is finally going down in flames, rotting within
it's own dysfunctional corpse.

Hopefully the cloak of ignorance will be lifted from all of you using it
and you will experience the dawn of a new age of usenet enlightenment.

The rest of us here will welcome you as you emerge from your dank, dark
cave of google-groups and into the light as you experience usenet the
way it was intended.

I afraid I really don't get this obssesive hatred of google's usenet
api. *It's not fancy but usenet is just text based posts anyway.
It's web based and it's free. *So one can use it anywhere there is web
access. *From any device. *Sure it doesn't have a lot of functionality
but if all one is after is to read usenet enties and occasionally
reply to one it's fine.

Home Guy's moniker says it all - he doesn't leave the house, so he
has no need of accessing newsgroups from anything other than his
blindingly fast, totally dialed in super computer. Good for him.

R

"Frank" wrote in message
...
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand their
current mess.

Now working again.

Frank wrote:
On 8/9/2011 5:56 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand
their current mess.

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless thing?


Too much time on my hands.
Also now, Google is back to normal.
I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house that I
cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups. They are a
PITA.

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system CAME with a
newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

On Aug 10, 4:03*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 8/9/2011 5:56 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand
their current mess.

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless thing?

Too much time on my hands.
Also now, Google is back to normal.
I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house that I
cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups. *They are a
PITA.

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system CAME with a
newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

RogerT wrote:

My guess is that Frank means he has a company-owned computer

That's it.

I have something like that at a part-time job that I go to 2 or
3 days a month. I go to different remote site locations that
the company has and the computer at each site has limited
functions.

Well, I just can't relate to a situation of not owning my own
computer(s) - and doing with it what I will. Something I've been doing
since about 1983 with my first IBM PC, and ever since then building my
own PC's from component parts.

PC's are cheap enough these days, used ones, even people throwing out
5-year-old P4 desktop systems because they don't know how to install a
new hard drive or re-load the OS.

Frank used improper usenet message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system
CAME with a newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

No you moron.

Outlook Express.

On 8/10/2011 7:32 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Frank used improper usenet message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system
CAME with a newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

No you moron.

Outlook Express.

Gee, Homey, you got endearing ways.

I think they decoupled OE from IE and went to windows mail in Vista.
I'm using IE8 on XP pro on the business machine.

Frank wrote:

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system
CAME with a newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

No you moron.

Outlook Express.

I think they decoupled OE from IE and went to windows mail
in Vista. I'm using IE8 on XP pro on the business machine.

XP had Outlook Express.

So again - what's your excuse for not using it?

Frank wrote:
On 8/10/2011 7:32 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Frank used improper usenet message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system
CAME with a newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

No you moron.

Outlook Express.

Gee, Homey, you got endearing ways.

I think they decoupled OE from IE and went to windows mail in Vista.
I'm using IE8 on XP pro on the business machine.

OE was NEVER part of Internet Explorer; OE has nothing to do with IE. They
are not related or connected in any way.

Outlook Express has a big brother, Outlook, which is a part of Microsoft
Office.

On 8/10/2011 8:19 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Frank wrote:

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system
CAME with a newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

No you moron.

Outlook Express.

I think they decoupled OE from IE and went to windows mail
in Vista. I'm using IE8 on XP pro on the business machine.

XP had Outlook Express.

So again - what's your excuse for not using it?

Not set up on company machine but there is a folder with it there but it
will not set up.

I did find it on remote desktop and it could be set up there but I only
log in there when I have work to do there which is not that often so why
bother? Besides OS and computer upgrades are imminent. This is not as
big a deal as you're trying to make it.

On Aug 10, 4:03*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 8/9/2011 5:56 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand
their current mess.

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless thing?

Too much time on my hands.
Also now, Google is back to normal.
I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house that I
cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups. *They are a
PITA.

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system CAME with a
newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

Was that a generic reply?

If so, where is the newsreader for Windows 7 that I just purchased and
installed last yr?

On Aug 10, 8:37*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 8/10/2011 7:32 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Frank used improper usenet message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system
CAME with a newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

No you moron.

Outlook Express.

Gee, Homey, you got endearing ways.

I think they decoupled OE from IE and went to windows mail in Vista.
I'm using IE8 on XP pro on the business machine.

OE was NEVER part of Internet Explorer; OE has nothing to do with IE. They
are not related or connected in any way.

They aren't? I thought both of them are Microsoft products?

On Aug 10, 8:54*pm, Frank wrote:
On 8/10/2011 8:19 PM, Home Guy wrote:









Frank wrote:

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system
CAME with a newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

IE8?

No you moron.

Outlook Express.

I think they decoupled OE from IE and went to windows mail
in Vista. I'm using IE8 on XP pro on the business machine.

XP had Outlook Express.

So again - what's your excuse for not using it?

Not set up on company machine but there is a folder with it there but it
will not set up.

I did find it on remote desktop and it could be set up there but I only
log in there when I have work to do there which is not that often so why
bother? *Besides OS and computer upgrades are imminent. This is not as
big a deal as you're trying to make it.

OE is a Windows component. You should be able to enable it under set
programs access and defaultsMicrosoft Windows

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:35:41 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Aug 10, 4:03*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 8/9/2011 5:56 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand
their current mess.

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless thing?

Too much time on my hands.
Also now, Google is back to normal.
I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house that I
cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups. *They are a
PITA.

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system CAME with a
newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

Was that a generic reply?

If so, where is the newsreader for Windows 7 that I just purchased and
installed last yr?

Windows Live Mail ??

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

I did find it on remote desktop and it could be set up there but I only
log in there when I have work to do there which is not that often so why
bother? *Besides OS and computer upgrades are imminent. This is not as
big a deal as you're trying to make it.

OE is a Windows component. You should be able to enable it under set
programs access and defaultsMicrosoft Windows

What OS is the OP running?

"To conclude, there is no Outlook Express program for Windows 7... in
fact, one couldn't even install it on Vista."

On Aug 11, 12:36*am, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:35:41 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:









On Aug 10, 4:03*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 8/9/2011 5:56 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Frank wrote:
Want to see if I can send from there and read to help understand
their current mess.

Why ON EARTH would you want to do such a silly and meaningless thing?

Too much time on my hands.
Also now, Google is back to normal.
I have a dedicated business computer from a client in my house that I
cannot put new programs on and often use Google groups. *They are a
PITA.

You don't HAVE to add any new programs. Your operating system CAME with a
newsreader! All you've got to do is use it.

Was that a generic reply?

If so, where is the newsreader for Windows 7 that I just purchased and
installed last yr?

Windows Live Mail ??

Doesn't come bundled with Windows 7. It is NOT part of the OS. That is
why I asked if it was a generic reply.

And BTW, WLM sucks as a newsreader. A lot worse than OE.

On Aug 11, 12:44*am, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

I did find it on remote desktop and it could be set up there but I only
log in there when I have work to do there which is not that often so why
bother? *Besides OS and computer upgrades are imminent. This is not as
big a deal as you're trying to make it.

OE is a Windows component. You should be able to enable it under set
programs access and defaultsMicrosoft Windows

What OS is the OP running?

"To conclude, there is no Outlook Express program for Windows 7... in
fact, one couldn't even install it on Vista."

Dunno. The OP seemed to show Vista, and then the OP said Windows XP
Pro.