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Hand Pump on Deep Well
We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the
house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. Since the pump is only five years old, I suspected the pressure-sensing-relay-switching thing. After checking which lines in the gizmo had power, I was even more convinced. A few taps with the ball peen hammer didn't fix it so we got the plumber out this morning. He confirmed my suspicions and $497 later we had water again. In an emergency we can bring pails of water from the pump house down by the barn but that's a hundred yards down the lane. My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. Paul |
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In article , Pavel314 wrote:
We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. [...] My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? No. I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. The maximum depth from which water can be raised by any pump that relies on suction is approximately 34 feet. That's because suction pumps raise water in a tube by creating a partial vacuum above the water; atmospheric pressure forces the water up the tube. Atmospheric pressure will support a water column no higher than 10.34 meters, or about 34 feet. |
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Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? |
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In article , "Pico Rico" wrote:
Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. |
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On Apr 13, 10:49*am, (Doug Miller)
wrote: In article , "Pico Rico" wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. Thanks for all the suggestions. I was pretty sure that a hand pump had a limited range. The 12-volt pump is a clever idea. Paul |
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On Apr 13, 10:49*am, (Doug Miller)
wrote: In article , "Pico Rico" wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. I have a friend who had a 150 foot deep well and put a hand pump on it, he had city water this was a back up ........ very hard work pumpingthe water, he finally put a electric motor with inverter on it. you would sweat more water pumping it than what you would get from the well |
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On 4/13/2011 10:00 AM, bob haller wrote:
On Apr 13, 10:49 am, (Doug Miller) wrote: In , "Pico wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? Note that the pump head pressure is around 60 psi just to get the water out of the well. It would probably have to be positive displacement (piston) and very low flow rates. Also consider voltage drop on the wires to the pump. He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. I have a friend who had a 150 foot deep well and put a hand pump on it, he had city water this was a back up ........ How do you hand pump a 150 ft well. Doug explained the physics. Or was the pump 120 or more feet down the well with an operating rod to the surface? very hard work pumpingthe water, he finally put a electric motor with inverter on it. you would sweat more water pumping it than what you would get from the well |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In , wrote: We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. [...] My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? No. I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. The maximum depth from which water can be raised by any pump that relies on suction is approximately 34 feet. That's because suction pumps raise water in a tube by creating a partial vacuum above the water; atmospheric pressure forces the water up the tube. Atmospheric pressure will support a water column no higher than 10.34 meters, or about 34 feet. Well how do those oil well pumps pump up the oil? It's just a hand pump with a big motor and cam wheel. -- All is as it is. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "Pico Rico" wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. it depends what kind of pump you use. http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm |
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LSMFT wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: In , wrote: We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. [...] My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? No. I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. The maximum depth from which water can be raised by any pump that relies on suction is approximately 34 feet. That's because suction pumps raise water in a tube by creating a partial vacuum above the water; atmospheric pressure forces the water up the tube. Atmospheric pressure will support a water column no higher than 10.34 meters, or about 34 feet. Well how do those oil well pumps pump up the oil? It's just a hand pump with a big motor and cam wheel. And counterweight. If the pump is below the water level, it works fine. |
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On Apr 13, 11:59*am, "Pico Rico" wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "Pico Rico" wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. it depends what kind of pump you use. http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course the problem then becomes how practical it is as a temporary emergency solution. You can't have the submersible and those deep well hand pumps in the typical well at the same time. So you'd have to pull the failed sumbersible first. At that point, it would seem to me a better solution would be to have a spare pump on hand. Or just use bottled water until the pump can be replaced. The real tragedy here is the OP apparenlty figured out it was the pressure switch and then still wound up calling a well company and paying $450. With just a little more investigating and testing he could have figured it out for sure and replaced it for $30. Sounds about $300 too high. |
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How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. it depends what kind of pump you use. http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course the problem then becomes how practical it is as a temporary emergency solution. You can't have the submersible and those deep well hand pumps in the typical well at the same time. why not? The real tragedy here is the OP apparenlty figured out it was the pressure switch and then still wound up calling a well company and paying $450. With just a little more investigating and testing he could have figured it out for sure and replaced it for $30. Sounds about $300 too high. yes, I thought that same thing. |
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In article , LSMFT wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: In , wrote: We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. [...] My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? No. I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. The maximum depth from which water can be raised by any pump that relies on suction is approximately 34 feet. That's because suction pumps raise water in a tube by creating a partial vacuum above the water; atmospheric pressure forces the water up the tube. Atmospheric pressure will support a water column no higher than 10.34 meters, or about 34 feet. Well how do those oil well pumps pump up the oil? It's just a hand pump with a big motor and cam wheel. Not by suction, if it's coming from more than 10.34 meters below the surface. |
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On Apr 13, 12:49*pm, "
wrote: On Apr 13, 11:59*am, "Pico Rico" wrote: "Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "Pico Rico" wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. it depends what kind of pump you use. http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course the problem then becomes how practical it is as a temporary emergency solution. *You can't have the submersible and those deep well hand pumps in the typical well at the same time. * So you'd have to pull the failed sumbersible first. *At that point, it would seem to me a better solution would be to have a spare pump on hand. Or just use bottled water until the pump can be replaced. The real tragedy here is the OP apparenlty figured out it was the pressure switch and then still wound up calling a well company and paying $450. *With just a little more investigating and testing he could have figured it out for sure and replaced it for $30. Sounds about $300 too high.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I entirely agree, but I have occasional tragedies of this nature, mostly due to having the day job. Sometimes you just can't take off because of deadlines and meetings and other obligations so you pay the fee to have someone else do it. Occasionally, I'll take off to fix something but sometimes I get caught in the cascading repair syndrome. You may have done this too. You're sure that Part A is causing the problem so you run up to the parts store and get a new Part A. After installation, the thing still doesn't work so you go back and get Part B. After installation, it still doesn't work but it's lunchtime. After lunch, you go back to buy Part C, which has to work because it's the only thing you haven't replaced yet. You finish as the Sun sets and push the start button; still no go. So you call the repairman and he comes out the next morning and fixes it for $497. Plus the wasted day and $200 in Parts A, B and C. Paul |
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On 4/13/2011 10:47 AM, LSMFT wrote:
.... Well how do those oil well pumps pump up the oil? It's just a hand pump with a big motor and cam wheel. No, it isn't... The rocking beam or pumpjack pumps are sucker rods that lift the oil. Very much like the sucker rods of an old windmill except larger scale. Didn't find a quick illustration of workings of oil pumpjack; principle is same as shown in this link for water. http://www.simplepump.com/OUR-PUMPS/Pump-System.html Newer wells may use hydraulic lift or even have jet pumps installed. -- |
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On 4/13/2011 12:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
.... Not by suction, if it's coming from more than 10.34 meters below the surface. Excepting for the density difference, of course... Altho afaik, no oil wells use suction pumps even if were within the range of lift which would be theoretically possible. -- |
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On Apr 13, 8:00*am, Pavel314 wrote:
On Apr 13, 10:49*am, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , "Pico Rico" wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. Thanks for all the suggestions. I was pretty sure that a hand pump had a limited range. The 12-volt pump is a clever idea. Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think that there _are_ handpumps working a sucker rod. I don't know how much force would be required to lift water that far though. Harry K |
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On Apr 13, 10:57*am, Pavel314 wrote:
On Apr 13, 12:49*pm, " wrote: On Apr 13, 11:59*am, "Pico Rico" wrote: "Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "Pico Rico" wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. it depends what kind of pump you use. http://www.survivalunlimited.com/wat...htm-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course the problem then becomes how practical it is as a temporary emergency solution. *You can't have the submersible and those deep well hand pumps in the typical well at the same time. * So you'd have to pull the failed sumbersible first. *At that point, it would seem to me a better solution would be to have a spare pump on hand. Or just use bottled water until the pump can be replaced. The real tragedy here is the OP apparenlty figured out it was the pressure switch and then still wound up calling a well company and paying $450. *With just a little more investigating and testing he could have figured it out for sure and replaced it for $30. Sounds about $300 too high.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I entirely agree, but I have occasional tragedies of this nature, mostly due to having the day job. Sometimes you just can't take off because of deadlines and meetings and other obligations so you pay the fee to have someone else do it. Occasionally, I'll take off to fix something but sometimes I get caught in the cascading repair syndrome. You may have done this too. You're sure that Part A is causing the problem so you run up to the parts store and get a new Part A. After installation, the thing still doesn't work so you go back and get Part B. After installation, it still doesn't work but it's lunchtime. After lunch, you go back to buy Part C, which has to work because it's the only thing you haven't replaced yet. You finish as the Sun sets and push the start button; still no go. So you call the repairman and he comes out the next morning and fixes it for $497. Plus the wasted day and $200 in Parts A, B and C. Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, even paying plumber prices unless he had a long drive that fee was out of line. Should have taken way less that 30 minutes to replace the pressure switch. New pressure switches should be a standard part of the stuff in his truck. Disconnect three wires, unscrew old, screw on new, reconnect thee wires. On personal stupidity. Last fall I had one replace the flush mechanism on the toilet (Toto so I was unfamiliar with the system) Turned out It was the usual simple replacement though. Then to compound the problem I asked him to look at a frostfree standpipe that would produce flow. Decided it needed replacement. He had his shovel on his shoulder headed for it when I came to my senses and realized I was about to pay plumber prices for sweat labor and stopped him. Replaced it myself the next day at an hours work. Harry K |
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On Apr 13, 7:12*am, (Doug Miller)
wrote: In article , Pavel314 wrote: We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. [...] My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? No. I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. The maximum depth from which water can be raised by any pump that relies on suction is approximately 34 feet. That's because suction pumps raise water in a tube by creating a partial vacuum above the water; atmospheric pressure forces the water up the tube. Atmospheric pressure will support a water column no higher than 10.34 meters, or about 34 feet. Errm..theoretical at sea level. Practical is 26ft at sea level due to system losses and then the decrease with increased elevation. Harry K |
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In article , dpb wrote:
On 4/13/2011 12:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote: .... Not by suction, if it's coming from more than 10.34 meters below the surface. Excepting for the density difference, of course... Yeah, forgot about that. Crude oil's pretty dense, though. Less dense than water, but not by much IIRC. Say 12 meters or so. Altho afaik, no oil wells use suction pumps even if were within the range of lift which would be theoretically possible. |
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On Apr 13, 12:53*pm, "Pico Rico" wrote:
How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. it depends what kind of pump you use. http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course the problem then becomes how practical it is as a temporary emergency solution. *You can't have the submersible and those deep well hand pumps in the typical well at the same time. why not? I assumed the hand pump was large enough around that it would not fit in the typical 4" casing with a submesible at the same time. Upon closer inspection, it looks like it will, theoretically, at least, with the hand pump winding up above the sub. I'd still be a bit nervous about lowering it down into a well that uses the typical poly pipe, because I would be concerned about the two pipes/pumps winding up tangled and stuck somehow. Also, newer wells use a pitless adapter, so if the hand pump goes in from the top, will it fit past the pitless adaptor? But the main point is, why bother? At the end of spending a lot of money and time, you still have a hand pump. I'd just buy 20 gallons of water to get me through getting the pump replaced. |
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On Apr 13, 11:26*am, bud-- wrote:
On 4/13/2011 10:00 AM, bob haller wrote: On Apr 13, 10:49 am, (Doug Miller) wrote: In , "Pico *wrote: Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? Note that the pump head pressure is around 60 psi just to get the water out of the well. It would probably have to be positive displacement (piston) and very low flow rates. Also consider voltage drop on the wires to the pump. He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. I have a friend who had a 150 foot deep well and put a hand pump on it, he had city water this was a back up ........ How do you hand pump a 150 ft well. Doug explained the physics. Or was the pump 120 or more feet down the well with an operating rod to the surface? very hard work pumpingthe water, he finally put a electric motor with inverter on it. you would sweat more water pumping it than what you would get from the well- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It was a lift pump with a long rod operating the pump at the bottom... a real bear to assemble, right after he got it working some dirt got in the foot valve at the bottom and he ended up pulling the whole thing up |
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On Apr 13, 3:12*pm, "
wrote: On Apr 13, 12:53*pm, "Pico Rico" wrote: How about dropping a small 12 volt pump down the well - why use muscle power when you could connect a battery? He's going to have to put something down the well, anyway -- it's completely impossible to pull water from that depth with a hand pump. it depends what kind of pump you use. http://www.survivalunlimited.com/wat...htm-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course the problem then becomes how practical it is as a temporary emergency solution. *You can't have the submersible and those deep well hand pumps in the typical well at the same time. why not? I assumed the hand pump was large enough around that it would not fit in the typical 4" casing with a submesible at the same time. * Upon closer inspection, it looks like it will, theoretically, at least, with the hand pump winding up above the sub. *I'd still be a bit nervous about lowering it down into a well that uses the typical poly pipe, because I would be concerned about the two pipes/pumps winding up tangled and stuck somehow. *Also, newer wells use a pitless adapter, so if the hand pump goes in from the top, will it fit past the pitless adaptor? But the main point is, why bother? * At the end of spending a lot of money and time, you still have a hand pump. *I'd just buy 20 gallons of water to get me through getting the pump replaced.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - many homes with wells have more than one well. a new well was drilled deeper in the past. a ideal candidate for a hand pump looks all awesome and retro, and is a back up for no power or bad pump situations |
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On Apr 13, 10:00*am, Pavel314 wrote:
We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. Since the pump is only five years old, I suspected the pressure-sensing-relay-switching thing. After checking which lines in the gizmo had power, I was even more convinced. A few taps with the ball peen hammer didn't fix it so we got the plumber out this morning. He confirmed my suspicions and $497 later we had water again. In an emergency we can bring pails of water from the pump house down by the barn but that's a hundred yards down the lane. My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. Paul Besides what others have said, there are spacers every so often attached to your piping and wiring that go down in the well to keep them from vibrating against the well casing. In other words, there isn't enough room to put more pipe or wires. Forget it. It isn't worth the effort or expense. Hank |
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Hand Pump on Deep Well
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, Harry K wrote: I think that there _are_ handpumps working a sucker rod. I don't know how much force would be required to lift water that far though. Harry K 'Twould depend on the exact details of the specific well - with the right (or wrong, depending on your outlook) combination of pipe size and well depth, you could be talking about moving a water column weighing in at anywhere from a few dozen pounds to more than a ton. Use a real skinny pipe and you get a fairly light water column (for a given depth), but you can only cram so much water through it. Use a big pipe at the same depth for more flow and you need more "oomph" to move the larger, and therefore heavier, water column. Likewise, deeper hole means more water in the pipe so unless you "skinny up" the pipe to compensate for the change in depth, you again need more "oomph" to get the water moving. -- Email shown is deceased. If you would like to contact me by email, please post something that makes it obvious in this or another group you see me posting in with a "how to contact you" address, and I'll get back to you. |
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Hand Pump on Deep Well
On 4/13/2011 10:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. Since the pump is only five years old, I suspected the pressure-sensing-relay-switching thing. After checking which lines in the gizmo had power, I was even more convinced. A few taps with the ball peen hammer didn't fix it so we got the plumber out this morning. He confirmed my suspicions and $497 later we had water again. In an emergency we can bring pails of water from the pump house down by the barn but that's a hundred yards down the lane. My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. Paul Most folks that can have two pumps. One in Use an one to swap out which is pretty quick if you have the stuff ready. I don;t much care for a submersible under a house etc, It needs a seperaet well house, well made and insulated with switches and heaters and tall enough, if needed and spare pum, small hoist arrangement, and water filter system or softner. |
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On Apr 14, 10:35*pm, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/13/2011 10:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote: We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. Since the pump is only five years old, I suspected the pressure-sensing-relay-switching thing. After checking which lines in the gizmo had power, I was even more convinced. A few taps with the ball peen hammer didn't fix it so we got the plumber out this morning. He confirmed my suspicions and $497 later we had water again. In an emergency we can bring pails of water from the pump house down by the barn but that's a hundred yards down the lane. My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. Paul Most folks that can have two pumps. One in Use an one to swap out which is pretty quick if you have the stuff ready. I don;t much care for a submersible under a house etc, It needs a seperaet well house, well made and insulated with switches and heaters and tall enough, if needed and spare pum, small hoist arrangement, and water filter system or softner.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A well house is the next to last place to install the equipment (under house is worst). You want that equipment where it is easily serviceable and protectedf rom freezing without additional heat. Put the pump controls, pressure tank and filters in the house if at all possible. I worked on these systems off and one for 50 years. Hated every one of those "crawl down into the well houise and try to find room to work" abortions. Harry K |
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Hand Pump on Deep Well
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, Harry K wrote: A well house is the next to last place to install the equipment (under house is worst). You want that equipment where it is easily serviceable and protectedf rom freezing without additional heat. Put the pump controls, pressure tank and filters in the house if at all possible. I worked on these systems off and one for 50 years. Hated every one of those "crawl down into the well houise and try to find room to work" abortions. Who's to say the well house can't be 3500 square feet, with climate control, plentiful lighting, a big screen TV, a pool table, a fully stocked bar, and some strippers to hand you tools. (I mean, after they've rubbed the tools in "those" places.) |
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Hand Pump on Deep Well
On Apr 15, 6:52*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *Harry K wrote: A well house is the next to last place to install the equipment (under house is worst). *You want that equipment where it is easily serviceable and protectedf rom freezing without additional heat. *Put the pump controls, pressure tank and filters in the house if at all possible. *I worked on these systems off and one for 50 years. *Hated every one of those "crawl down into the well houise and try to find room to work" abortions. Who's to say the well house can't be 3500 square feet, with climate control, plentiful lighting, a big screen TV, a pool table, a fully stocked bar, and some strippers to hand you tools. (I mean, after they've rubbed the tools in "those" places.) Ah, the dream well house of the person who has to work in one!! Harry K |
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On Apr 15, 1:11*pm, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 14, 10:35*pm, Lil Abner wrote: On 4/13/2011 10:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote: We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. Since the pump is only five years old, I suspected the pressure-sensing-relay-switching thing. After checking which lines in the gizmo had power, I was even more convinced. A few taps with the ball peen hammer didn't fix it so we got the plumber out this morning.. He confirmed my suspicions and $497 later we had water again. In an emergency we can bring pails of water from the pump house down by the barn but that's a hundred yards down the lane. My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. Paul Most folks that can have two pumps. One in Use an one to swap out which is pretty quick if you have the stuff ready. I don;t much care for a submersible under a house etc, It needs a seperaet well house, well made and insulated with switches and heaters and tall enough, if needed and spare pum, small hoist arrangement, and water filter system or softner.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A well house is the next to last place to install the equipment (under house is worst). *You want that equipment where it is easily serviceable and protectedf rom freezing without additional heat. *Put the pump controls, pressure tank and filters in the house if at all possible. *I worked on these systems off and one for 50 years. *Hated every one of those "crawl down into the well houise and try to find room to work" abortions. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Depends on the well house. My father in law built one that could be slid out of the way on a steel track. Before that he had one that tilted backwards out of the way. Jimmie |
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On Apr 15, 8:34*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 15, 1:11*pm, Harry K wrote: On Apr 14, 10:35*pm, Lil Abner wrote: On 4/13/2011 10:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote: We have a submersible pump in a 125' well to provide water to the house. The water just stopped last night while my wife was preparing dinner. Since the pump is only five years old, I suspected the pressure-sensing-relay-switching thing. After checking which lines in the gizmo had power, I was even more convinced. A few taps with the ball peen hammer didn't fix it so we got the plumber out this morning. He confirmed my suspicions and $497 later we had water again. In an emergency we can bring pails of water from the pump house down by the barn but that's a hundred yards down the lane. My wife suggested putting an old-fashioned hand pump on the house well head in the back yard, which would be much closer. That would be decorative and functional, a clever idea I thought. Is that possible? I thought of dropping a 125' hose down the well shaft and attaching it to a hand pump up top but don't hand pumps only work to a depth of 15' or so? Something to do with air pressure I believe. Even if it worked at that depth, we'd have to remove the hand pump and hose if the submersible pump ever needed repair or replacement, but that only happens about every 15 or 20 years. Opinions appreciated. Paul Most folks that can have two pumps. One in Use an one to swap out which is pretty quick if you have the stuff ready. I don;t much care for a submersible under a house etc, It needs a seperaet well house, well made and insulated with switches and heaters and tall enough, if needed and spare pum, small hoist arrangement, and water filter system or softner.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A well house is the next to last place to install the equipment (under house is worst). *You want that equipment where it is easily serviceable and protectedf rom freezing without additional heat. *Put the pump controls, pressure tank and filters in the house if at all possible. *I worked on these systems off and one for 50 years. *Hated every one of those "crawl down into the well houise and try to find room to work" abortions. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Depends on the well house. My father in law built one that could be slid out of the way on a steel track. Before that he had one that tilted backwards out of the way. Jimmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And had he put the 'works' in the basement he could have saved all that expense...assuming he had a basement of course. Most reasonable size houses with no basement have sufficient room to install the 'works' in whatever is used for the laundry. Doesn't take much. Harry K |
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