The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 5:52 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/28/2010 9:04 AM, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 6/28/2010 1:20 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
and I press "R" to
mark a thread as read and "K" to kill a thread so I don't see it
again. You don't have to killfile anyone if you don't like the
subject or contents of a post or thread.


Nobody here can just right click a message? I seldom have to reach
for
a key, if ever!

I can right click a lot of things in Thunderbird but I don't see
anything in the right click dialog box about killing a thread.


Thunderbird essentially does the same thing with its "Ignore Thread"
command:

Ignore Thread

This will mark all messages in the current thread as read. (This option
is only displayed when a newgroup message is selected.) The next time
you view the newsgroup, the ignored thread will not appear in the
message list pane and any new messages in the thread will be
automatically marked as read. To make ignored threads visible again,
use
the View Threads menu.

Jay

Yea, press "K" on the keyboard, you don't see the thread again.

TDD
I pressed "K" and I still see it.

It works in the Firefox reader and after you leave the group then come
back to it.

TDD

I've found a Firefox PDF reader and a Firefox rss reader, but where can
I find the USENET reader?

On Jun 29, 7:39*pm, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

It works in the Firefox reader and after you leave the group then come
back to it.

TDD

I've found a Firefox PDF reader and a Firefox rss reader, but where can
I find the USENET reader?

Their is no FF reader. They meant Thunderbird.

On 6/29/2010 6:39 PM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 5:52 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/28/2010 9:04 AM, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 6/28/2010 1:20 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
and I press "R" to
mark a thread as read and "K" to kill a thread so I don't see it
again. You don't have to killfile anyone if you don't like the
subject or contents of a post or thread.


Nobody here can just right click a message? I seldom have to
reach for
a key, if ever!

I can right click a lot of things in Thunderbird but I don't see
anything in the right click dialog box about killing a thread.


Thunderbird essentially does the same thing with its "Ignore Thread"
command:

Ignore Thread

This will mark all messages in the current thread as read. (This
option
is only displayed when a newgroup message is selected.) The next time
you view the newsgroup, the ignored thread will not appear in the
message list pane and any new messages in the thread will be
automatically marked as read. To make ignored threads visible
again, use
the View Threads menu.

Jay

Yea, press "K" on the keyboard, you don't see the thread again.

TDD
I pressed "K" and I still see it.

It works in the Firefox reader and after you leave the group then come
back to it.

TDD

I've found a Firefox PDF reader and a Firefox rss reader, but where can
I find the USENET reader?

D'oh!! http://images.free-extras.com/pics/d...mpson-1084.jpg

TDD

On 6/29/2010 3:35 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:36:17 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/28/2010 4:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:08:56 -0500, Jim
wrote:

what does PDFTFT mean? I couldn't find it in the acronym dictionary.

A variation of:

http://marketmynovel.com/images/Dont...the-Trolls.png

Dang! That looks like a girl I used to date!


Glad you got rid of her. Can you image waking one morning, asking "who
the hell are you?!!"

In kind reply she says: "I don't know this morning. Last night I was
the Yellow Rose of Texas!"

My oldest brother who was in the army tells of an adventure in drinking
with his buddies at a dance hall one night. It seems that brother had
imbibed in a little too much ethanol and caught sight of a princess on
the other side of the room which compelled him to make a beeline for
her. They were soon dancing and making out in a most disturbing manner
while he professed his undying love for her and his wish for her to have
his children. Of course my hapless brother soon passed out and was taken
back to the barracks by his fellow sufferers. The next night the guys
returned to the dance hall when my bro was not pickled. He noticed an
extremely ugly girl eying him with obvious fondness which made him so
uncomfortable that he thought of fleeing the place. When he told his
friends of his distress, they informed him that the homely gal was the
love of his life the night before. He soon left the establishment never
to return. People ask me why I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage
in my life and my answer is that I pay attention to the experiences of
others with their consumption of alcohol.

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 6:39 PM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 5:52 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/28/2010 9:04 AM, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 6/28/2010 1:20 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
and I press "R" to
mark a thread as read and "K" to kill a thread so I don't see it
again. You don't have to killfile anyone if you don't like the
subject or contents of a post or thread.


Nobody here can just right click a message? I seldom have to
reach for
a key, if ever!

I can right click a lot of things in Thunderbird but I don't see
anything in the right click dialog box about killing a thread.


Thunderbird essentially does the same thing with its "Ignore Thread"
command:

Ignore Thread

This will mark all messages in the current thread as read. (This
option
is only displayed when a newgroup message is selected.) The next time
you view the newsgroup, the ignored thread will not appear in the
message list pane and any new messages in the thread will be
automatically marked as read. To make ignored threads visible
again, use
the View Threads menu.

Jay

Yea, press "K" on the keyboard, you don't see the thread again.

TDD
I pressed "K" and I still see it.

It works in the Firefox reader and after you leave the group then come
back to it.

TDD

I've found a Firefox PDF reader and a Firefox rss reader, but where can
I find the USENET reader?

D'oh!! http://images.free-extras.com/pics/d...mpson-1084.jpg

TDD

I have Thunderbird. I can mark a thread read with my mouse but don't
see any way to do it with the keyboard.

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Robert Green" wrote in message
...
"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...
On 6/26/2010 5:35 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

There are some posters who consistently provoke, rude, or insulting,
or confrontational, or just no useful content. It's much easier to
plonk, than to have to delete the messages every day.

[all previous contents of thread lost because of Stormy's totally
nonstandard posting method]

It looks like only one message got "derailed" - and what's with META?
Call
it what it is, OT, or you risk being thought of as a US Terrorist
Control
Network Designerwith Code Oranges, Blues, Pinks, Yellow with Purple
stripes,
light green and blue dots, etc. K.I.S.S.

What do you mean "delete the messages"? This is a newsgroup--you can't
delete anything.

Delete or mark as read, it's the same thing. David, you're a smart guy
and
I agree with you on a wide range of subjects, but you're running the
risk
of
being what my Army bud calls "a needle dicked bug raper" meaning someone
who's obsessing over very tiny things with less than honorable
intentions.

Using the letters OT at the beginning of the subject line says "I am at
least respectful enough of my fellow posters to make the effort to add
two
stinking letters to my OT posts." What's wrong with being considerate?
I
find nothing wrong with trying to make it easy for the OT-adverse to
avoid
creating filters to work around that which they do not wish to see.
Although I come down now on the OT's "right to live" I was not always in
that camp. I am well aware that having to scan over unrelated crap
really
does bother people and wastes their time. Worse, it puts them in a foul
enough mood to bite the heads off newbies when perhaps they didn't mean
to.

So much good can come out of being respectful enough of others to use OT
at
the beginning of a subject heading that I can't imagine why anyone
*wouldn't* do it. Your couple of keystrokes can save others a hell of a
lot
of frustration and the need to make dozens of "N" pushes for NEXT. It's
a
bother, a very legitmate bother, and one with an absurdly simple
solution.
If the OT-adverse complain even after OT threads are religiously marked,
then the crown of "needle-dicked bug raper" can be put on *their* heads.

--
Bobby G.

There are a lot of political and social dick heads around here who have
good
info on home repairs. But when they post stuff and not mark it OT, I tend
to delete their submissions. (Notice I did not use the P word.) So, some
valuable help and information is possibly lost. But when I come here, I
don't want to sift through all the debris to find the nuggets, and when
people mark OT OT, it surely helps, it keeps their credibility, it keeps
them on my screen, and it doesn't get them labeled as some spewing loony.

My two pennies, anyway.

Steve

From what I can gather, there's a great variation in the newsreaders people
use and how they use them. I would guess that some of the more prolific
posters read every new post as it comes in, without grouping messages by
threads. Others read entire threads or mark them as read if they don't like
them. It's a bitch to read chronologically and trip over dozens of
unrelated messages.

I can also see why people, especially in my silver-haired demographic, need
to block certain people to keep their blood pressure within safe ranges. I
haven't seen too much of that here, but I do remember that it was pretty bad
when "This is Turtle" was posting. It was also far more active - too
active - you couldn't read all the messages unless it was your full time
job. The great ISP screwjob newsgroup access actually brought this and
a few other groups down to mangeable size, although it killed off most of
the low volume ones.

I'm sympathetic to those who just want AHR related topics and will probably
tone down my contributions to OT threads just because it's mostly people
talking past each other. I worry, that as a country, we've lost our ability
to make mutual compromises. Reminds me of my knee joint telling me "I used
to be flexible, but not any more." Is it what happens when countries reach
certain age? Is that when all the insoluble problems cake up like grounds
in a coffee cup?

I enjoy intelligent, OT conversations because it helps me learn more about
the people here and just like marbling in beef or grain in wood, a little
contrast is a good thing. I think some OT posts inspire people to keep
checking the group and they answer legit questions when they check in. I
just wish more people could "hold their water" and not get so damn nasty,
but that's cyberspace.

Thanks for your input!

--
Bobby G.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2010 3:35 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:36:17 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/28/2010 4:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:08:56 -0500, Jim
wrote:

what does PDFTFT mean? I couldn't find it in the acronym dictionary.

A variation of:

http://marketmynovel.com/images/Dont...the-Trolls.png

Dang! That looks like a girl I used to date!


Glad you got rid of her. Can you image waking one morning, asking "who
the hell are you?!!"

In kind reply she says: "I don't know this morning. Last night I was
the Yellow Rose of Texas!"

My oldest brother who was in the army tells of an adventure in drinking
with his buddies at a dance hall one night. It seems that brother had
imbibed in a little too much ethanol and caught sight of a princess on
the other side of the room which compelled him to make a beeline for
her. They were soon dancing and making out in a most disturbing manner
while he professed his undying love for her and his wish for her to have
his children. Of course my hapless brother soon passed out and was taken
back to the barracks by his fellow sufferers. The next night the guys
returned to the dance hall when my bro was not pickled. He noticed an
extremely ugly girl eying him with obvious fondness which made him so
uncomfortable that he thought of fleeing the place. When he told his
friends of his distress, they informed him that the homely gal was the
love of his life the night before. He soon left the establishment never
to return. People ask me why I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage
in my life and my answer is that I pay attention to the experiences of
others with their consumption of alcohol.

TDD

That problem is known as "beer goggles."

--
Bobby G.

"J Burns" wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

AHR is so broad that it's as if everything here is crossposted. Each
thread will be seen by many who may not be knowledgeable or even
interested but still want to be heard, and there will be plenty to
follow suit. (Congressman Felix Walker was like that, demanding to be
heard when he had nothing to say. That's where the term "bunkum" came
from.)

You left out *why* that word - my N'oth Caahlina friends would be sore - he
was from Buncombe County! Henry Ford was alleged to have shortened it to
"Bunk" which then begat "debunk."

What if AHR split into several groups?
AHR structure
AHR appliances
AHR small engines/auto
AHR wiring/plumbing/hvac
AHR misc

Wishing to be entertained but not informed, I'd subscribe to AHR misc.
If I went to one of the other forums to be informed, I'd probably find
fewer uninformative posts.

I've actually been in groups where that happened. Nothing good came of it.
The spin offs died on the vine, fewer eyes saw fewer questions and that
resulted in fewer answers. And the trolls still went for the group with the
most messages. It's a great idea in theory, but trolls are like termites,
they go where the food is and both trolls and terrorists thrive on
attention. They have similar agendas. They want to know they are ****ing
somebody off and the best place to do that is where the people are. Sort of
why virus writers pick Windows - the most bang for the buck and bombers head
for Times Square. sigh

--
Bobby G.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , J Burns
wrote:

What if AHR split into several groups?
AHR structure
AHR appliances
AHR small engines/auto
AHR wiring/plumbing/hvac
AHR misc

Wishing to be entertained but not informed, I'd subscribe to AHR misc.
If I went to one of the other forums to be informed, I'd probably find
fewer uninformative posts.

No, because trolls such as David and harry would simply cross- or
multi-post
to *all* of the groups.

PDFTFT.

Trolls have an agenda, and it's only by blocking that agenda that they
vanish. It's a very hard thing to do, though. Labeling them trolls might
actually make them feel that they are succeeding (if they are indeed
trolls). I think a lot of people just get into never-ending ****ing matches
that *look* a lot like trolling but are really psychologically something
different. Not sure what that is, but I suspect it's some sort of revenge.

--
Bobby G.

I sometimes plonk people who leave a Christmas Tree (cascade) on top.
More work to scroll through endless quoted text.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2010 6:39 PM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 5:52 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/28/2010 9:04 AM, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 6/28/2010 1:20 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
and I press "R" to
mark a thread as read and "K" to kill a thread so I don't
see it
again. You don't have to killfile anyone if you don't like
the
subject or contents of a post or thread.

In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:

uncomfortable that he thought of fleeing the place. When he told his
friends of his distress, they informed him that the homely gal was the
love of his life the night before. He soon left the establishment never
to return. People ask me why I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage
in my life and my answer is that I pay attention to the experiences of
others with their consumption of alcohol.

TDD

That problem is known as "beer goggles."


Mickey Gilley explored this phenomena in great detail in his stirring
essay "Don't the girls all get prettier at closing time?"

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

On 6/30/2010 4:39 AM Robert Green spake thus:

From what I can gather, there's a great variation in the newsreaders people
use and how they use them. I would guess that some of the more prolific
posters read every new post as it comes in, without grouping messages by
threads. Others read entire threads or mark them as read if they don't like
them. It's a bitch to read chronologically and trip over dozens of
unrelated messages.

Well, now we're getting somewhere here. Let's talk a bit more about how
people read this newsgroup.

I guess I had sorta assumed that my way of reading was more or less
typical, but maybe it isn't. So let me describe it briefly. I use a
modren newsreader (Thunderbird), neither the best or the worst but
certainly adequate, and very much state-of-the-art.

Which means that because I have the newsgroup displayed in threaded
message format, I can easily hop, skip and jump around the messages and
read those I'm interested in pretty much at random. I'm not forced to go
through a thread sequentially; I don't use keyboard commands, but simply
click on those messages I want to read to display them in the message
pane. This is why, basically, I don't see what the big fuss is with
filtering messages and deciding which ones to read and which to ignore.
It's trivially easy for me to do my own filtering in real time with very
little brainpower required for the task.

So is this or is this not a typical way of reading newsgroups? I can see
how some methods of reading NGs would be horrendous. Reminds me of
someone I met who subscribed to a local neighborhood Yahoo! group I also
occasionally browse who said she didn't like reading it. After asking
her for more details, it turned out that she was subscribed to the
mailing list by email! That has to be the most horrendously painful way
to read any kind of group, as you're forced to wade through all that
crap in your inbox and either read or delete messages. Do people still
actually read Usenet that way? That to me seems as primitive as using
smoke signals.

I told her about the modren web-based interface for the group and
suggested she try this newfangled way of reading messages. (But in the
case of Usenet, I would never suggest using the Web way, like Google
Groups. Use a decent news client as [insert name of deity here] intended.)


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

On 6/30/2010 4:50 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 6:39 PM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 5:52 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/28/2010 9:04 AM, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 6/28/2010 1:20 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
and I press "R" to
mark a thread as read and "K" to kill a thread so I don't see it
again. You don't have to killfile anyone if you don't like the
subject or contents of a post or thread.


Nobody here can just right click a message? I seldom have to
reach for
a key, if ever!

I can right click a lot of things in Thunderbird but I don't see
anything in the right click dialog box about killing a thread.


Thunderbird essentially does the same thing with its "Ignore Thread"
command:

Ignore Thread

This will mark all messages in the current thread as read. (This
option
is only displayed when a newgroup message is selected.) The next
time
you view the newsgroup, the ignored thread will not appear in the
message list pane and any new messages in the thread will be
automatically marked as read. To make ignored threads visible
again, use
the View Threads menu.

Jay

Yea, press "K" on the keyboard, you don't see the thread again.

TDD
I pressed "K" and I still see it.

It works in the Firefox reader and after you leave the group then come
back to it.

TDD

I've found a Firefox PDF reader and a Firefox rss reader, but where can
I find the USENET reader?

D'oh!! http://images.free-extras.com/pics/d...mpson-1084.jpg

TDD

I have Thunderbird. I can mark a thread read with my mouse but don't see
any way to do it with the keyboard.

I use Thunderbird and to mark a thread as read, press "R" on the
keyboard, to ignore or kill a thread, press "K" and you won't see
the thread again.

http://support.mozillamessaging.com/...oard+shortcuts

TDD

On 6/30/2010 6:42 AM, Robert Green wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2010 3:35 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:36:17 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/28/2010 4:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:08:56 -0500, Jim
wrote:

what does PDFTFT mean? I couldn't find it in the acronym dictionary.

A variation of:

http://marketmynovel.com/images/Dont...the-Trolls.png

Dang! That looks like a girl I used to date!


Glad you got rid of her. Can you image waking one morning, asking "who
the hell are you?!!"

In kind reply she says: "I don't know this morning. Last night I was
the Yellow Rose of Texas!"

My oldest brother who was in the army tells of an adventure in drinking
with his buddies at a dance hall one night. It seems that brother had
imbibed in a little too much ethanol and caught sight of a princess on
the other side of the room which compelled him to make a beeline for
her. They were soon dancing and making out in a most disturbing manner
while he professed his undying love for her and his wish for her to have
his children. Of course my hapless brother soon passed out and was taken
back to the barracks by his fellow sufferers. The next night the guys
returned to the dance hall when my bro was not pickled. He noticed an
extremely ugly girl eying him with obvious fondness which made him so
uncomfortable that he thought of fleeing the place. When he told his
friends of his distress, they informed him that the homely gal was the
love of his life the night before. He soon left the establishment never
to return. People ask me why I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage
in my life and my answer is that I pay attention to the experiences of
others with their consumption of alcohol.

TDD

That problem is known as "beer goggles."

--
Bobby G.



I don't think it was just beer tinting his spectacles.

TDD

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:33:23 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/30/2010 6:42 AM, Robert Green wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2010 3:35 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:36:17 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/28/2010 4:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:08:56 -0500, Jim
wrote:

what does PDFTFT mean? I couldn't find it in the acronym dictionary.

A variation of:

http://marketmynovel.com/images/Dont...the-Trolls.png

Dang! That looks like a girl I used to date!


Glad you got rid of her. Can you image waking one morning, asking "who
the hell are you?!!"

In kind reply she says: "I don't know this morning. Last night I was
the Yellow Rose of Texas!"

My oldest brother who was in the army tells of an adventure in drinking
with his buddies at a dance hall one night. It seems that brother had
imbibed in a little too much ethanol and caught sight of a princess on
the other side of the room which compelled him to make a beeline for
her. They were soon dancing and making out in a most disturbing manner
while he professed his undying love for her and his wish for her to have
his children. Of course my hapless brother soon passed out and was taken
back to the barracks by his fellow sufferers. The next night the guys
returned to the dance hall when my bro was not pickled. He noticed an
extremely ugly girl eying him with obvious fondness which made him so
uncomfortable that he thought of fleeing the place. When he told his
friends of his distress, they informed him that the homely gal was the
love of his life the night before. He soon left the establishment never
to return. People ask me why I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage
in my life and my answer is that I pay attention to the experiences of
others with their consumption of alcohol.

TDD

That problem is known as "beer goggles."

--
Bobby G.



I don't think it was just beer tinting his spectacles.

TDD

Could it be lock-jaw?

Maybe rose-colored glasses?

On 6/30/2010 8:09 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:33:23 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/30/2010 6:42 AM, Robert Green wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2010 3:35 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:36:17 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/28/2010 4:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:08:56 -0500, Jim
wrote:

what does PDFTFT mean? I couldn't find it in the acronym dictionary.

A variation of:

http://marketmynovel.com/images/Dont...the-Trolls.png

Dang! That looks like a girl I used to date!


Glad you got rid of her. Can you image waking one morning, asking "who
the hell are you?!!"

In kind reply she says: "I don't know this morning. Last night I was
the Yellow Rose of Texas!"

My oldest brother who was in the army tells of an adventure in drinking
with his buddies at a dance hall one night. It seems that brother had
imbibed in a little too much ethanol and caught sight of a princess on
the other side of the room which compelled him to make a beeline for
her. They were soon dancing and making out in a most disturbing manner
while he professed his undying love for her and his wish for her to have
his children. Of course my hapless brother soon passed out and was taken
back to the barracks by his fellow sufferers. The next night the guys
returned to the dance hall when my bro was not pickled. He noticed an
extremely ugly girl eying him with obvious fondness which made him so
uncomfortable that he thought of fleeing the place. When he told his
friends of his distress, they informed him that the homely gal was the
love of his life the night before. He soon left the establishment never
to return. People ask me why I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage
in my life and my answer is that I pay attention to the experiences of
others with their consumption of alcohol.

TDD

That problem is known as "beer goggles."

--
Bobby G.



I don't think it was just beer tinting his spectacles.

TDD

Could it be lock-jaw?

Maybe rose-colored glasses?

Lock jaw? He was able to pour booze down his throat.

TDD

Endless untrimmed text, is a good reason.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 6/30/2010 4:50 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 6:39 PM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/29/2010 5:52 AM, J Burns wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/28/2010 9:04 AM, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 6/28/2010 1:20 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
and I press "R" to
mark a thread as read and "K" to kill a thread so I don't
see it
again. You don't have to killfile anyone if you don't like
the
subject or contents of a post or thread.


Nobody here can just right click a message? I seldom have to
reach for
a key, if ever!

I can right click a lot of things in Thunderbird but I don't
see
anything in the right click dialog box about killing a
thread.

In article , "Stormin Mormon" wrote:
Endless untrimmed text, is a good reason.

So is persistent top-posting combined with a posting format that breaks
followups.

If you MUST top-post, then at least put your sig AT THE BOTTOM where it
belongs, AFTER all the text you quote.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
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In article , "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Endless untrimmed text, is a good reason.

So is persistent top-posting combined with a posting format that breaks
followups.

If you MUST top-post, then at least put your sig AT THE BOTTOM where it
belongs, AFTER all the text you quote.

You're talking to someone who is convinced that all the North American
Indians are descended from fleeing religious tribes from the Jerusalem area
that arrived in the Americas a few thousand years ago, yet recent DNA
testing has disproved this theory emphatically. And there is not one
potsherd of archaeological evidence of tribes and cities in the New World
that, in The Book Of Mormon, are described "in numbers as plenty as grains
of sand on the beach." Whatever they're smoking, it's TOO good. I'll pass.

The man's mind and behaviors are set. YOU must either conform, or you will
be the one getting plonked. For ETERNITY.

Steve

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
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If you MUST top-post, then at least put your sig AT THE BOTTOM where it
belongs, AFTER all the text you quote.

If you must top-post, take it some place else.

(Doug Miller) wrote in
:

In article , "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Endless untrimmed text, is a good reason.

the person replying has the responsibility for trimming posts.

Besides,once a thread has gone on so long that it's "endless",it's
degenerated and mostly worthless anyways.


So is persistent top-posting combined with a posting format that
breaks followups.

If you MUST top-post, then at least put your sig AT THE BOTTOM where
it belongs, AFTER all the text you quote.


the fool has all sorts of LAME excuses for his offensive top posting.
it's just rationalization.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message

the fool has all sorts of LAME excuses for his offensive top posting.
it's just rationalization.

Because Moron is a douchebag.

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
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(Doug Miller) wrote in
:

In article , "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Endless untrimmed text, is a good reason.

the person replying has the responsibility for trimming posts.

Besides,once a thread has gone on so long that it's "endless",it's
degenerated and mostly worthless anyways.


So is persistent top-posting combined with a posting format that
breaks followups.

If you MUST top-post, then at least put your sig AT THE BOTTOM where
it belongs, AFTER all the text you quote.


the fool has all sorts of LAME excuses for his offensive top posting.
it's just rationalization.

--
Jim Yanik

What fool do you refer to? I see nothing on my screen..........

Steve

The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 6/30/2010 4:50 AM, J Burns wrote:


I have Thunderbird. I can mark a thread read with my mouse but don't see
any way to do it with the keyboard.

I use Thunderbird and to mark a thread as read, press "R" on the
keyboard, to ignore or kill a thread, press "K" and you won't see
the thread again.

http://support.mozillamessaging.com/...oard+shortcuts

TDD

It works! I wonder why the shortcut doesn't appear beside "mark thread
as read" in the Mark menu.

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
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On 6/30/2010 4:39 AM Robert Green spake thus:

From what I can gather, there's a great variation in the newsreaders
people
use and how they use them. I would guess that some of the more prolific
posters read every new post as it comes in, without grouping messages by
threads. Others read entire threads or mark them as read if they don't
like
them. It's a bitch to read chronologically and trip over dozens of
unrelated messages.

Well, now we're getting somewhere here. Let's talk a bit more about how
people read this newsgroup.

I guess I had sorta assumed that my way of reading was more or less
typical, but maybe it isn't. So let me describe it briefly. I use a
modren newsreader (Thunderbird), neither the best or the worst but
certainly adequate, and very much state-of-the-art.

Which means that because I have the newsgroup displayed in threaded
message format, I can easily hop, skip and jump around the messages and
read those I'm interested in pretty much at random. I'm not forced to go
through a thread sequentially; I don't use keyboard commands, but simply
click on those messages I want to read to display them in the message
pane. This is why, basically, I don't see what the big fuss is with
filtering messages and deciding which ones to read and which to ignore.
It's trivially easy for me to do my own filtering in real time with very
little brainpower required for the task.

So is this or is this not a typical way of reading newsgroups? I can see
how some methods of reading NGs would be horrendous. Reminds me of
someone I met who subscribed to a local neighborhood Yahoo! group I also
occasionally browse who said she didn't like reading it. After asking
her for more details, it turned out that she was subscribed to the
mailing list by email! That has to be the most horrendously painful way
to read any kind of group, as you're forced to wade through all that
crap in your inbox and either read or delete messages. Do people still
actually read Usenet that way? That to me seems as primitive as using
smoke signals.

stuff snipped

Setting up a Usenet reader may seem trivial to the computer literate, but
it's not so easy for many others. Google groops has confused the issue
further by blurring the line between newsreader access and web-based access.

There are even commercializers like the Stucco suckers that offer access (I
always thought it pretty rude to snipe at a poster comi+ng from their since
it's pretty obvious they had no idea (nor should they, really) that Usenet
and all its conventions are out there and Stucco is piggybacking on Usenet
for ad purposes).

The poor poster just sees a form to enter info to perhaps get a question
asked after finding Stucco via a Google search. To whack on these poor
souls, or even someone who doesn't know the fine art of Googling, is the
mark of the net-nanny or the unhappy. Not sure which. Certainly not
sympathetic. To be hurled into the world of plonking, trolling, top and
bottom posting, snipping, cross-posting, Joe Jobbing and sock puppetry HAS
to be pretty damn confusing, especially when you want to find out how to get
a rust stain out of concrete.

So, I didn't answer your question, but I should. There are many groups,
usually where the traffic is low, where I read backwards from latest to
earliest. Why? So that I don't spend a lot of time answering a question
that's already been answered or waste my time being polite to someone who's
turned nasty.

Busy people who belong to a lot of groups might tend to read newest to
oldest in chrono order without any threading. Those are the people I think
most likely to take offense to high level of OT posts. There are ways to
filter on OT, and some newsreaders are better than others. If I were really
public-spirited, I would put together a FAQ about how to bypass OT messages
for each of the major newsreaders and in a thread v. unthreaded viewing
style. It's probably more a job for those who are so seriously offended by
OT posts that they have the motivation to spend the time on such a task.

--
Bobby G.

On 7/4/2010 11:40 PM Robert Green spake thus:

There are even commercializers like the Stucco suckers that offer access (I
always thought it pretty rude to snipe at a poster comi+ng from their since
it's pretty obvious they had no idea (nor should they, really) that Usenet
and all its conventions are out there and Stucco is piggybacking on Usenet
for ad purposes).

The poor poster just sees a form to enter info to perhaps get a question
asked after finding Stucco via a Google search. To whack on these poor
souls, or even someone who doesn't know the fine art of Googling, is the
mark of the net-nanny or the unhappy. Not sure which. Certainly not
sympathetic. To be hurled into the world of plonking, trolling, top and
bottom posting, snipping, cross-posting, Joe Jobbing and sock puppetry HAS
to be pretty damn confusing, especially when you want to find out how to get
a rust stain out of concrete.

On this matter I agree entirely with you. While I hate the "Sucko
Company" model of Usenet-scraping and republishing, I don't think the
poor suckers who actually use their "service" should be come down on
like a ton of bricks, for the reasons you so well described.

So, I didn't answer your question, but I should. There are many groups,
usually where the traffic is low, where I read backwards from latest to
earliest. Why? So that I don't spend a lot of time answering a question
that's already been answered or waste my time being polite to someone who's
turned nasty.

Busy people who belong to a lot of groups might tend to read newest to
oldest in chrono order without any threading. Those are the people I think
most likely to take offense to high level of OT posts. There are ways to
filter on OT, and some newsreaders are better than others. If I were really
public-spirited, I would put together a FAQ about how to bypass OT messages
for each of the major newsreaders and in a thread v. unthreaded viewing
style.

So just to be clear, you're saying you think there are significant
numbers of people who read newsgroups in an unthreaded fashion?

I guess my only question here would be "Why?". For the life of me I
cannot see any sense to that way of reading Usenet messages, especially
since virtually all methods of reading it let one easily view groups in
threaded order. I mean, there are probably some Unix geeks out there
still using some primitive program that doesn't allow this, but they can
be just ignored as noise.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...
On 7/4/2010 11:40 PM Robert Green spake thus:

There are even commercializers like the Stucco suckers that offer access
(I
always thought it pretty rude to snipe at a poster comi+ng from their
since
it's pretty obvious they had no idea (nor should they, really) that
Usenet
and all its conventions are out there and Stucco is piggybacking on
Usenet
for ad purposes).

The poor poster just sees a form to enter info to perhaps get a question
asked after finding Stucco via a Google search. To whack on these poor
souls, or even someone who doesn't know the fine art of Googling, is the
mark of the net-nanny or the unhappy. Not sure which. Certainly not
sympathetic. To be hurled into the world of plonking, trolling, top and
bottom posting, snipping, cross-posting, Joe Jobbing and sock puppetry
HAS
to be pretty damn confusing, especially when you want to find out how to
get
a rust stain out of concrete.

On this matter I agree entirely with you. While I hate the "Sucko
Company" model of Usenet-scraping and republishing, I don't think the
poor suckers who actually use their "service" should be come down on
like a ton of bricks, for the reasons you so well described.

So, I didn't answer your question, but I should. There are many groups,
usually where the traffic is low, where I read backwards from latest to
earliest. Why? So that I don't spend a lot of time answering a
question
that's already been answered or waste my time being polite to someone
who's
turned nasty.

Busy people who belong to a lot of groups might tend to read newest to
oldest in chrono order without any threading. Those are the people I
think
most likely to take offense to high level of OT posts. There are ways
to
filter on OT, and some newsreaders are better than others. If I were
really
public-spirited, I would put together a FAQ about how to bypass OT
messages
for each of the major newsreaders and in a thread v. unthreaded viewing
style.

So just to be clear, you're saying you think there are significant
numbers of people who read newsgroups in an unthreaded fashion?

I think there are at least a few people that check for new messages many,
many times during the day who don't read threadwise. I'd have to spend a
lot more time here and looking at postings to try to determine how many that
is.

I know when I am very busy, I filter out anything except replies to my own
posts. If I am bored, I just look at the newest posts every few hours or
so. AHR is a group where just skimming can give you very useful hints (like
spraying a hose on the roof when forced into the attic on a very hot day!).

I think AHR's got very healthy proportions of signal to noise, a level of
appropriate net-nannyism that only occasionally flairs and a whole host of
frustrated stand-up comedians that need to work a live room for a few years
to polish their acts. Net humor, especially to newbie posters generates far
more "WTF?" responses than it does laughs. A lot of netwars start over
someone's bad attempt at humor that gets very badly misinterpreted.

I guess my only question here would be "Why?". For the life of me I
cannot see any sense to that way of reading Usenet messages, especially
since virtually all methods of reading it let one easily view groups in
threaded order. I mean, there are probably some Unix geeks out there
still using some primitive program that doesn't allow this, but they can
be just ignored as noise.

Well, that's a sizzling bit of flamebait for Unix users. (-: Did anyone
bite? Fortunately, that Unix v. Windows dog hunts less and less than it
used to.

People clearly read the group in all sorts of ways. Some loosely agreed
upon conventions should be able to maximize the utility for everyone without
requiring inordinate sacrifices. I won't enage in OT threads that aren't
marked OT simply because I feel that's one small way of acknowledging that
people have a right to be able to read Home Repair messages and nothing else
when coming here. Since the reality is that OT threads break out everywhere
all the time, making it easy for someone to filter them or skip over them
seems reasonable. I realize they would just like them to stop completely,
but I've never seen it happen so a compromise looks like the only way out.

--
Bobby G.