I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?

Weatherlawyer wrote:
I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?

yes. see my previous post: usual format of will they wont they
oh, look, they have and it's magnificent.

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...

I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?


Sure. Makes me realise how dumb you can be and still make a living as a
"designer". Oh, the building's on a slope - didn't think of that! Doh.

rrh wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...

I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs
started to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?


Sure. Makes me realise how dumb you can be and still make a living as
a "designer". Oh, the building's on a slope - didn't think of that!
Doh.

what have you ever designed ? how much juice do you have ?

enough to buy, design and complete a project like that ?

didn't think so. fair play to them.

.. wrote:

fair play to them.

You obviously didn't watch the programme or were not paying attention.

They dismissed the architect after initial help with plans then wasted
money hand over fist.

They started out without knowing if the barn had a foundation, then
after all the expense of underpinning they cocked up the floor level
AFTER clling in the architect again.

How on earth did they manage that?

Fancy fecking around with the damn thing ALL that time and not knowing
it had no foundations?

Go back to sleep you plonker.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
. wrote:

fair play to them.

You obviously didn't watch the programme or were not paying attention.

you either switched off after 20 mins or you're a liar.

They dismissed the architect after initial help with plans then wasted
money hand over fist.

no they didn't. they paid for the drawings and decided to manage the
job themselves. that the job was going to over run financially was a
given. it's grand designs, that's what the prog is about.

They started out without knowing if the barn had a foundation, then
after all the expense of underpinning they cocked up the floor level
AFTER clling in the architect again.
How on earth did they manage that?

by not having a full structural survey done. and by *DIY*'ing. I'll wager
that you know bugger all about DIY and I don't think you've ever done
any DIY beyond painting a wall.

Fancy fecking around with the damn thing ALL that time and not knowing
it had no foundations?

they finished the job and have ended up with /thier/ dream home in a _great_
location. most importantly /they/ are happy even if you are not.

Go back to sleep you plonker.

you're a /liar/.

If these people ever bothered to watch the series, which has been running
for years now, they'd soon discover trying to do it all without a project
manager and architect will only lead to the worst possible outcome...being
publicly humiliated on national TV with know it all patronising remarks from
Kevin McCleod.

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Weatherlawyer wrote:
I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.
Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?

The Times reviewer described the woman as having "limited people
skills". I was quite disappointed that no-one stormed off site in a big
huff. It's so much more fun when things go *really* wrong.

Their budget came in about £20k below what the original builder
estimated for, which is rather better than many professionals would
achieve, especially considering they were paying daywork rates.

But I didn't like either the building or the people.

Owain

I can but agree. Having someone shouting at you from ground level when you
are trying to assemble roof trusses at roof level is not my idea of
communication!
I would always look forward to Grand Designs but the first two of this
series have been lacking. Design or style is very much in the eye of the
beholder and will always be subjective but I have seen nothing that is a
Grand Design!

PhilC

In article ,
PhilC wrote:

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Weatherlawyer wrote:
I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.
Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?

The Times reviewer described the woman as having "limited people
skills". I was quite disappointed that no-one stormed off site in a big
huff. It's so much more fun when things go *really* wrong.

Their budget came in about £20k below what the original builder
estimated for, which is rather better than many professionals would
achieve, especially considering they were paying daywork rates.

But I didn't like either the building or the people.

I can but agree. Having someone shouting at you from ground level when you
are trying to assemble roof trusses at roof level is not my idea of
communication!
I would always look forward to Grand Designs but the first two of this
series have been lacking. Design or style is very much in the eye of the
beholder and will always be subjective but I have seen nothing that is a
Grand Design!

But I have watched the new series alongside the bits of the last series that I
missed. I wonder how much business that Finnish company got after the 'log
cabin' programme?

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On 12 Apr 2006 13:23:24 -0700, "Weatherlawyer" wrote:


I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?

I didnt see the end of the project but what I don't understand is why the local
planners are so restrictive about the windows .They allow them to put two huge
glass doors or windows where the sliding doors were but refuse them to insert
any other windows where they would be of most benefit ....Was the building
listed in any way ...presumably not if they allowed the big glass .


Stuart

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Weatherlawyer wrote:
I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.
Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?

The Times reviewer described the woman as having "limited people skills".
I was quite disappointed that no-one stormed off site in a big huff. It's
so much more fun when things go *really* wrong.

Their budget came in about £20k below what the original builder estimated
for, which is rather better than many professionals would achieve,
especially considering they were paying daywork rates.

But I didn't like either the building or the people.

Owain

What are you talking about?

puzzled

Mary

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ,
PhilC wrote:

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Weatherlawyer wrote:
I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs
started
to spiral out of control.
Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?

The Times reviewer described the woman as having "limited people
skills". I was quite disappointed that no-one stormed off site in a
big
huff. It's so much more fun when things go *really* wrong.

Their budget came in about £20k below what the original builder
estimated for, which is rather better than many professionals would
achieve, especially considering they were paying daywork rates.

But I didn't like either the building or the people.

I can but agree. Having someone shouting at you from ground level when
you
are trying to assemble roof trusses at roof level is not my idea of
communication!
I would always look forward to Grand Designs but the first two of this
series have been lacking. Design or style is very much in the eye of the
beholder and will always be subjective but I have seen nothing that is a
Grand Design!

But I have watched the new series alongside the bits of the last series
that I
missed. I wonder how much business that Finnish company got after the 'log
cabin' programme?

Not sure which log cabin you refer to but have met the people that built
the
timber house in Kent. They now represent that company in the UK and have had
many enquiries and at least three orders.
They also made the comment that it's the producer that scripts many of
Kevin's remarks to make 'good tv'

PhilC

RedOnRed wrote:
If these people ever bothered to watch the series, which has been running
for years now, they'd soon discover trying to do it all without a project
manager and architect will only lead to the worst possible outcome...being
publicly humiliated on national TV with know it all patronising remarks from
Kevin McCleod.


Actually in my case, the best thing was sacking the project manager.

Once I realised he knew less about building than I did.

Mary Fisher wrote:

What are you talking about?

puzzled

Well, it all started with a man called John Logi Baird ...

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In article , PhilC wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...

[Snip]

But I have watched the new series alongside the bits of the last series
that I missed. I wonder how much business that Finnish company got after
the 'log cabin' programme?

Not sure which log cabin you refer to but have met the people that built
the timber house in Kent. They now represent that company in the UK and
have had many enquiries and at least three orders. They also made the
comment that it's the producer that scripts many of Kevin's remarks to make
'good tv'

Having watched 5 or 6 of the programmes in the last week I've lost track of
which was where! The one in question was built by a furniture maker & wife who
ran a riding school. They had brought up their three kids in a corner of his
workshop!!?

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:34:01 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

snipped ....
But I have watched the new series alongside the bits of the last series that I
missed. I wonder how much business that Finnish company got after the 'log
cabin' programme?

This one .
http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/...es/K/kent.html


And if you want to ask Kevin McCloud anything he is here on the 19th.April


http://www.channel4.com/community/c4chat/



Stuart

John Cartmell wrote:
In article , PhilC
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...

[Snip]

But I have watched the new series alongside the bits of the last
series that I missed. I wonder how much business that Finnish
company got after the 'log cabin' programme?

Not sure which log cabin you refer to but have met the people that
built the timber house in Kent. They now represent that company in
the UK and have had many enquiries and at least three orders. They
also made the comment that it's the producer that scripts many of
Kevin's remarks to make 'good tv'

Having watched 5 or 6 of the programmes in the last week I've lost
track of which was where! The one in question was built by a
furniture maker & wife who ran a riding school. They had brought up
their three kids in a corner of his workshop!!?

erlund house http://www.erlund-house.com/ from £57k + land

I want one.

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:49:01 GMT, "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)"
wrote:

Well, it all started with a man called John Logi Baird ...

Nah. He was the prat that tried to market something akin to a large
flick-book, in a furniture cabinet.

rrh wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...
I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?


Sure. Makes me realise how dumb you can be and still make a living as a
"designer". Oh, the building's on a slope - didn't think of that! Doh.


Dumb, ugly and aggressive, such a wonderful combination.

The few shots we had of their design work and place of work made me
shudder, I presume that their "design" work is mostly for the sort of
furniture that goes into old people's homes.

Is it normal design practice to have the bottom of the stairs no more
than a couple of feet from the wall? Anyone coming downstairs will need
to a sharp turn the moment they reach the bottom of the stairs, or will
be banging their head on the wall. see :-

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/...y_image10.html

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:43:34 +0100, Steve Firth
wrote:

rrh wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...
I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?


Sure. Makes me realise how dumb you can be and still make a living as a
"designer". Oh, the building's on a slope - didn't think of that! Doh.


Dumb, ugly and aggressive, such a wonderful combination.

The few shots we had of their design work and place of work made me
shudder, I presume that their "design" work is mostly for the sort of
furniture that goes into old people's homes.

Sour grapes. Join the bunch.
--
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In article .com,
wrote:
Is it normal design practice to have the bottom of the stairs no more
than a couple of feet from the wall? Anyone coming downstairs will need
to a sharp turn the moment they reach the bottom of the stairs, or will
be banging their head on the wall. see :-

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/...y_image10.html

I don't think the architect or project manager were capable of using a tape
measure. Did anyone understand having two walkways either side of the bathroom
'pod' - neither of which was wide enough for a comfortable passage?

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:08:04 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article .com,
wrote:
Is it normal design practice to have the bottom of the stairs no more
than a couple of feet from the wall? Anyone coming downstairs will need
to a sharp turn the moment they reach the bottom of the stairs, or will
be banging their head on the wall. see :-

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/...y_image10.html

I don't think the architect or project manager were capable of using a tape
measure. Did anyone understand having two walkways either side of the bathroom
'pod' - neither of which was wide enough for a comfortable passage?

What I'd be interested in seeing is any of the "knockers" in this
thread picking what they consider to be the very worst of the Grand
Design projects and comparing it photographically with their own best
work. It would be very educational, I'm sure. ;-)
--
Regards,
Mike Halmarack

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In article , Mike Halmarack ...
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:08:04 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article .com,
wrote:
Is it normal design practice to have the bottom of the stairs no more
than a couple of feet from the wall? Anyone coming downstairs will need
to a sharp turn the moment they reach the bottom of the stairs, or will
be banging their head on the wall. see :-

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/...y_image10.html

I don't think the architect or project manager were capable of using a
tape measure. Did anyone understand having two walkways either side of the
bathroom 'pod' - neither of which was wide enough for a comfortable
passage?

What I'd be interested in seeing is any of the "knockers" in this thread
picking what they consider to be the very worst of the Grand Design
projects and comparing it photographically with their own best work. It
would be very educational, I'm sure. ;-)

I've never had 400,000 GBP spare! ;-)
My 'own hands' work tends to be limited in size to sheds and beds - but I
still 'measure and check' more for minor items like book covers than they did
for a house for which they'd paid 250,000 for the shell. I've no quibbles with
the fellow making mistakes on three of his support pillars in the log-house;
he'd done the measuring and made a simple error. I'll feel free to be critical
at those who don't even make basic measurements - and still spend lots of
money on the untested assumption that a barn on a hillside has a horizontal
floor (despite the local sheep having a distinct lean as they pass through
;-).

--
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Mike Halmarack wrote:

What I'd be interested in seeing is any of the "knockers" in this
thread picking what they consider to be the very worst of the Grand
Design projects and comparing it photographically with their own best
work. It would be very educational, I'm sure. ;-)

You have several times implied that criticism of the design of a product
is forbidden to anyone who has not personally designed *and produced* a
better example of the same product.

I disagree.

I have never in my life designed or produced a kettle, nor am I ever
likely to do so. If I did, I know damn well that *my* kettle would
produce a single, easily directed stream of water, flowing away from
the body of the kettle.

My current kettle does not achieve this, by quite a long way. Despite my
lack of experience in designing kettles, I have been a user of them over
a period of several decades, and thus feel fully qualified to call the
designer of mine a complete dork. I am sorry if this offends you.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Weatherlawyer"
saying something like:

You obviously didn't watch the programme or were not paying attention.

They dismissed the architect after initial help with plans then wasted
money hand over fist.

Exactly. Then went running back to the architect whenever there was a
problem, expecting it for free, the cheeky buggers.


They started out without knowing if the barn had a foundation, then
after all the expense of underpinning they cocked up the floor level
AFTER clling in the architect again.

How on earth did they manage that?

Fancy fecking around with the damn thing ALL that time and not knowing
it had no foundations?

Imo, if they had retained the architect all that would have been easily
dealt with. I got the impression the architect was asked to draw up a
set of plans for 'a barn conversion this size' without being told or
shown the building. They then dismissed the architect and tried to do it
on the cheap.

As for that woman in charge... what a two-faced bitch. Everybody was to
blame but herself. She badmouthed the first builder, the second
contractor after he'd left for Greece and the architect several times.

My initial thought was the first builder gave her an inflated estimate
to price himself off the job so he wouldn't have to deal with her
anymore... as it turned out, he was bang on in his estimate of £420K.
--

Dave

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Owain
saying something like:

The Times reviewer described the woman as having "limited people
skills". I was quite disappointed that no-one stormed off site in a big
huff. It's so much more fun when things go *really* wrong.

I suspect they did. The first builder, Paul, was getting the finger
pointed at him for cocking up the floor when he was told the wrong datum
point. There was a veiled hint that the Scottish/Greek crew couldn't
stand it any more and buggered off back to the Greek islands and some
peace.

Their budget came in about £20k below what the original builder
estimated for, which is rather better than many professionals would
achieve, especially considering they were paying daywork rates.

But I didn't like either the building or the people.

I liked the building well enough, but the owners are a pair of ******s.
--

Dave

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:25 +0100, Joe wrote:

Mike Halmarack wrote:

What I'd be interested in seeing is any of the "knockers" in this
thread picking what they consider to be the very worst of the Grand
Design projects and comparing it photographically with their own best
work. It would be very educational, I'm sure. ;-)

You have several times implied that criticism of the design of a product
is forbidden to anyone who has not personally designed *and produced* a
better example of the same product.

I disagree.

I have never in my life designed or produced a kettle, nor am I ever
likely to do so. If I did, I know damn well that *my* kettle would
produce a single, easily directed stream of water, flowing away from
the body of the kettle.

My current kettle does not achieve this, by quite a long way. Despite my
lack of experience in designing kettles, I have been a user of them over
a period of several decades, and thus feel fully qualified to call the
designer of mine a complete dork. I am sorry if this offends you.

And I have never designed nor been involved in the production of toasters but I
damn well know that if I was involved in toaster design I would make sure that
they were able to acccommodate slices of most breads on sale without the user
having to cut pieces of each slice ..

Stuart

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:21:09 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article , Mike Halmarack ...
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:08:04 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article .com,
wrote:
Is it normal design practice to have the bottom of the stairs no more
than a couple of feet from the wall? Anyone coming downstairs will need
to a sharp turn the moment they reach the bottom of the stairs, or will
be banging their head on the wall. see :-

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/...y_image10.html

I don't think the architect or project manager were capable of using a
tape measure. Did anyone understand having two walkways either side of the
bathroom 'pod' - neither of which was wide enough for a comfortable
passage?

What I'd be interested in seeing is any of the "knockers" in this thread
picking what they consider to be the very worst of the Grand Design
projects and comparing it photographically with their own best work. It
would be very educational, I'm sure. ;-)

I've never had 400,000 GBP spare! ;-)

Of course, it tends to be those who can't measure and their
professional contractors who don't even know what a tape measure is
who are rich enough for this type of project.;-)

My 'own hands' work tends to be limited in size to sheds and beds

I can just imagine. Even your efforts in terms of sheds and beds would
provide material for some comparisons showing your possibly superior
skills and taste. Will you provide some examples?

- but I
still 'measure and check' more for minor items like book covers than they did
for a house for which they'd paid 250,000 for the shell.

I've never pre-planned to watch the program but I've seen parts of
several of the projects and have felt only admiration for the people
and the work they've produced, despite any mistakes.

I've no quibbles with
the fellow making mistakes on three of his support pillars in the log-house;
he'd done the measuring and made a simple error. I'll feel free to be critical
at those who don't even make basic measurements - and still spend lots of
money on the untested assumption that a barn on a hillside has a horizontal
floor (despite the local sheep having a distinct lean as they pass through
;-).

No they don't, they compensate, just like all the knockers here
compensate for their inadequacies by slagging off people they'll never
have the skill or imagination to surpass.
--
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:25 +0100, Joe wrote:

Mike Halmarack wrote:

What I'd be interested in seeing is any of the "knockers" in this
thread picking what they consider to be the very worst of the Grand
Design projects and comparing it photographically with their own best
work. It would be very educational, I'm sure. ;-)

You have several times implied that criticism of the design of a product
is forbidden to anyone who has not personally designed *and produced* a
better example of the same product.

Joe, didn't I forbid you to post here?

I disagree.

I have never in my life designed or produced a kettle, nor am I ever
likely to do so. If I did, I know damn well that *my* kettle would
produce a single, easily directed stream of water, flowing away from
the body of the kettle.

Kettle dreams.

My current kettle does not achieve this, by quite a long way. Despite my
lack of experience in designing kettles, I have been a user of them over
a period of several decades, and thus feel fully qualified to call the
designer of mine a complete dork.

Why did you buy it?

I am sorry if this offends you.

It didn't
--
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Mike Halmarack

Drop the (EGG) to email me.

EricP wrote:

Nah. He was the prat that tried to market something akin to a large
flick-book, in a furniture cabinet.

Ah, Mary prolly has one of those at least !
:¬)

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote:
If these people ever bothered to watch the series, which has been running
for years now, they'd soon discover trying to do it all without a project
manager and architect will only lead to the worst possible
outcome...being publicly humiliated on national TV with know it all
patronising remarks from Kevin McCleod.
Actually in my case, the best thing was sacking the project manager.

Once I realised he knew less about building than I did.

Project managers are just supposed to be skilled in running projects in
terms of co-ordinating and planning work etc, without necessarily possessing
any trade skills expertise.

In that respect, any project manager should be able to manage any project
regardless of theme, ie construction, IT, etc.

On 12 Apr 2006 15:22:57 -0700, "Weatherlawyer"
wrote:


. wrote:

fair play to them.

You obviously didn't watch the programme or were not paying attention.

They dismissed the architect after initial help with plans then wasted
money hand over fist.

They started out without knowing if the barn had a foundation, then
after all the expense of underpinning they cocked up the floor level
AFTER clling in the architect again.

How on earth did they manage that?

Fancy fecking around with the damn thing ALL that time and not knowing
it had no foundations?

Go back to sleep you plonker.

It was plainy obvious it had little if any foundations, simply by
looking at it on TV.

Rick

John Cartmell wrote:
SFBs wrote:

What I'd be interested in seeing is any of the "knockers" in this thread
picking what they consider to be the very worst of the Grand Design
projects and comparing it photographically with their own best work. It
would be very educational, I'm sure.

I've never had 400,000 GBP spare!

My 'own hands' work tends to be limited in size to sheds and beds - but I
still 'measure and check' more for minor items like book covers than they did
for a house for which they'd paid 250,000 for the shell.

I've no quibbles with the fellow making mistakes on three of his support pillars in
the log-house; he'd done the measuring and made a simple error.

I'll feel free to be critical at those who don't even make basic measurements - and
still spend lots of money on the untested assumption that a barn on a hillside has
an horizontal floor (despite the local sheep having a distinct lean as they pass through

I'm glad I never wasted my time on it. I don't think I will bother
with any more of them.

The company producing these cock ups aught to have some sort of quality
control. Is it the same agency Davina Macall works for?

BraneDedSRu.? It seems that's where they find their cast. Big Brother's
Bumper House of Stupid.

I would watch the episode that SFB's efforts were aired on, if only
because I'd be content that I was right all the way through the
horrors.

*******

To SFB:

What does the word "design" connote?

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in
oups.com:


I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?


And talking about hot, I was unconvinced that whatever insulation was
installed could make up for the single glazed clerestory and the
large, exposed masonry walls. I'd guess quite an expensive house to heat -
for its size.

--
Rod

The message
from Rod contains these words:

And talking about hot, I was unconvinced that whatever insulation was
installed could make up for the single glazed clerestory and the
large, exposed masonry walls. I'd guess quite an expensive house to heat -
for its size.

I didn't see it the first time around but they reran it last night on
More 4 so after all those adverse comments I just had to watch it.

The exposed walls did strike me as a great heat loss but they did
insulate the roof and I presume the floor (although we were shown
nothing of that aspect). Incidentally are you sure the glazing was
single?

The building has only just been finished and wasn't long in the planning
so how did they get round the current stringent heat loss requirements?

It does seem totally bizarre that they could have designed the interior
without noticing that they didn't have the height at the uphill end of
the building and the confusion about base datum was, if possible, even
more stupid. The architect claimed the underside of truss No 6 was the
datum and shown on the drawings as such. No attempt was made to explain
where the builder got his obscure datum from but it looked to me that he
was working from the original threshold level.

On a somewhat different note the presenter kept on referring to the
original doorway as the threshing opening. Barns typically had high
doorways so loaded wagons could enter long before the advent of heavy
machinery so is threshing opening a technical term that has somehow
passed me by or was the presenter talking ********?

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Roger Chapman

On 13 Apr 2006 21:55:59 GMT, Rod wrote:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in
roups.com:


I had to switch off 20 minutes into the programme as the costs started
to spiral out of control.

Anyone watching it without getting hot under the collar?


And talking about hot, I was unconvinced that whatever insulation was
installed could make up for the single glazed clerestory and the
large, exposed masonry walls. I'd guess quite an expensive house to heat -
for its size.

Clerestory...That's a word I've not heard before ..lol

http://www.syllysuffolk.co.uk/glossary/clerestory.htm

In article ,
Roger wrote:
On a somewhat different note the presenter kept on referring to the
original doorway as the threshing opening. Barns typically had high
doorways so loaded wagons could enter long before the advent of heavy
machinery so is threshing opening a technical term that has somehow
passed me by or was the presenter talking ********?

It was a pair of threshing doors - designed so that there is a through draft
through two doors either side of the width of the building. The height is
another matter.

--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
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"Stuart" wrote in message
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snip


Clerestory...That's a word I've not heard before ..lol

http://www.syllysuffolk.co.uk/glossary/clerestory.htm

Perhaps you should get out more? Particularly to churches .... on Good
Friday?

--

Brian

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:24:31 GMT, "Brian Sharrock"
wrote:


"Stuart" wrote in message
.. .

snip


Clerestory...That's a word I've not heard before ..lol

http://www.syllysuffolk.co.uk/glossary/clerestory.htm

Perhaps you should get out more? Particularly to churches .... on Good
Friday?

Perhaps I shouldn't ....I can live perfectly happily without religion ,thanks
very much .lol.

Stuart