College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

On Sep 4, 3:53*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

From that article:
""We're willing to do anything to make it legitimate to stay," Heaton
said, in hopes of making the bus safe and acceptable under city laws.
Since the inspector's visit, the men have drained the water from the
pool and plan to move the bus farther away from the power lines."

If the kids don't have a problem with wanting to make it legal, why do
you?

If you hadn't read about it, and had instead seen, you would have
taken a picture and posted it here saying what idiots the people were
to have the pool so close to the power lines.

R

RicodJour wrote:
On Sep 4, 3:53 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
College students turn school bus into a swimming pool
(intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

From that article:
""We're willing to do anything to make it legitimate to stay," Heaton
said, in hopes of making the bus safe and acceptable under city laws.
Since the inspector's visit, the men have drained the water from the
pool and plan to move the bus farther away from the power lines."

If the kids don't have a problem with wanting to make it legal, why do
you?

If you hadn't read about it, and had instead seen, you would have
taken a picture and posted it here saying what idiots the people were
to have the pool so close to the power lines.


You're right. I forgot.

Power lines seek out swimming pools.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
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College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt




Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0500, "Master Betty"
wrote:

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt




Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.


Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0500, "Master Betty"
wrote:

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt




Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.


Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.


Here the ordnance is 6' max....I think.

One morning, back when I had a hole in the back of my fence, I found a full
grown armadillo in there. My neighbor calls it a death trap (behind my
back).

"Oren" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0500, "Master Betty"
wrote:

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt




Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.


Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.

We can only hope he was removed from the gene pool prior to breeding (left
no pregnant girlfriends).

"Master Betty" wrote in message
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.

Since when do city building inspectors have any say over VEHICLES? A
vehicle is not a structure attached to land. As long as the vehicle is
operable (and moves under its own power), I'd say to tell this building
inspector to kiss my ass. Your state's DMV and police functions have
jurisdiction over this, not building and safety.

On Sep 4, 8:56*pm, "D. Stussy" wrote:
"Master Betty" wrote in message

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"HeyBub" wrote in message
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College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally)..

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.

Since when do city building inspectors have any say over VEHICLES? *A
vehicle is not a structure attached to land. *As long as the vehicle is
operable (and moves under its own power), I'd say to tell this building
inspector to kiss my ass. *Your state's DMV and police functions have
jurisdiction over this, not building and safety.

It would be covered under the zoning code. As mentioned in the
article:
"The bus is also more than 35 feet long, making it too long to be
parked at the house even if registered as an RV, according to
Dimuccio."

R

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:56:01 -0700, "D. Stussy"
wrote:

"Master Betty" wrote in message
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.

Since when do city building inspectors have any say over VEHICLES? A
vehicle is not a structure attached to land. As long as the vehicle is
operable (and moves under its own power), I'd say to tell this building
inspector to kiss my ass. Your state's DMV and police functions have
jurisdiction over this, not building and safety.


Don't confuse a "building inspector" with a "code enforcement"
officer.

UofF students frequently acquire "yard ornaments".

GO GATORS!!!

On Sep 4, 9:05*pm, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:56:01 -0700, "D. Stussy"
wrote:





"Master Betty" wrote in message
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
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College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.

Since when do city building inspectors have any say over VEHICLES? *A
vehicle is not a structure attached to land. *As long as the vehicle is
operable (and moves under its own power), I'd say to tell this building
inspector to kiss my ass. *Your state's DMV and police functions have
jurisdiction over this, not building and safety.

Don't confuse a "building inspector" with a "code enforcement"
officer.

UofF students frequently acquire "yard ornaments".

GO GATORS!!!- Hide quoted text -

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Way back in the 50's, at night we used to toss alligators in the
"girls" swimming pool which was visible from the upperclass dorms.
The screams the next morning would have the entire dorm laughing.

On Sep 4, 8:56*pm, "D. Stussy" wrote:
"Master Betty" wrote in message

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"HeyBub" wrote in message
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College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally)..

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.

Since when do city building inspectors have any say over VEHICLES? *A
vehicle is not a structure attached to land. *As long as the vehicle is
operable (and moves under its own power), I'd say to tell this building
inspector to kiss my ass. *Your state's DMV and police functions have
jurisdiction over this, not building and safety.

The moment that they hooked it up to a pool pump and the requisite
electrical branch circuit to power it the bus stopped being a motor
vehicle. Local code officials can regulate vehicles in terms of were
they may be stored or parked. The article indicated that the city of
Gainsville does not permit vehicles of that size to be stored in the
neighborhood. If they can build the whole assembly onto the buss
chassis including the power supply then the city can only force them
to move it every seventy two hours.
--
Tom Horne

What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some kid
drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...

Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to prevent
these things from happening again...

Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce them.

The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking up the
wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try the "outraged
public" who caused these rules to be created in the first place...

On Sep 4, 2:53*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
College students turn school bus into a swimming pool (intentionally).

City code inspector says that's a violation. Or three.

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt

If you fill it full of beer is it called an open container, Bus pool,
is that like car pooling.

Tom Horne wrote:

The moment that they hooked it up to a pool pump and the requisite
electrical branch circuit to power it the bus stopped being a motor
vehicle. Local code officials can regulate vehicles in terms of were
they may be stored or parked. The article indicated that the city of
Gainsville does not permit vehicles of that size to be stored in the
neighborhood. If they can build the whole assembly onto the buss
chassis including the power supply then the city can only force them
to move it every seventy two hours.

I guess "hooked it up to ... the requisite electrical branch circuit"
completely prohibits electric cars.

Bill wrote:
What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some
kid drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...

Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to
prevent these things from happening again...

Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce
them.
The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking up
the wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try the
"outraged public" who caused these rules to be created in the first
place...

Some feel codes are NOT there to protect them or theirs. The codes exist to:

a) To assuage the moral indignation of those who think they know what's best
for others, and
b) Provide faux jobs for those otherwise suitable only for medical
experimentation.

I'm kinda buying in to that philosophy.

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:45:46 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Bill wrote:
What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some
kid drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...

Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to
prevent these things from happening again...

Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce
them.
The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking up
the wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try the
"outraged public" who caused these rules to be created in the first
place...

Some feel codes are NOT there to protect them or theirs. The codes exist to:

a) To assuage the moral indignation of those who think they know what's best
for others, and
b) Provide faux jobs for those otherwise suitable only for medical
experimentation.

I'm kinda buying in to that philosophy.


One irritating thing about codes is they are like algae, they start
out small and only focus on real problems but over time all the
do-gooders whine incessantly until the city adds more and more stupid
stuff until the code becomes smothering. If you strictly go by the
code here you can't replace an electric outlet yourself or replace
your own water heater but have to have a licensed electrician or
plumber do it for you. It's always "for the children" type of
thinking. it's BS.

Oren wrote in
:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0500, "Master Betty"
wrote:

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20.../090904_bus.tx
t




Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.


Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.


Even with dark moon night it's quite obvious if there's water in it or
not. I mean really, think about it.

Either the story is pure BS or the student was wacked out on something
to the extreme. And if the student was that wacked out, how could they
get over a 14' fence.

I think you are referring to this.

http://www.snopes.com/glurge/highdive.asp

"Oren" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0500, "Master Betty"
wrote:

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt




Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.


Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.

On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:02:07 -0500, Red Green
wrote:

Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.


Even with dark moon night it's quite obvious if there's water in it or
not. I mean really, think about it.


I agree. I never dove in a creek, without first going into the water.
Checking for depth, cypress knees, etc. kids have broken necks diving
into a shallow creek from a bridge railing.

Either the story is pure BS or the student was wacked out on something
to the extreme. And if the student was that wacked out, how could they
get over a 14' fence.

I went to the HS at the time, so it's not BS. Maybe the fence was 12',
heck it was the 60s.

On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 16:00:34 -0400, "Cliff Hartle"
wrote:

I think you are referring to this.

http://www.snopes.com/glurge/highdive.asp

"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0500, "Master Betty"
wrote:

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20...090904_bus.txt




Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.


Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.



No. It was a HS in the 60s. The pool was a public pool, directly
adjacent the school.

On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:30:36 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:45:46 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Bill wrote:
What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some
kid drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...

Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to
prevent these things from happening again...

Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce
them.
The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking up
the wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try the
"outraged public" who caused these rules to be created in the first
place...

Some feel codes are NOT there to protect them or theirs. The codes exist to:

a) To assuage the moral indignation of those who think they know what's best
for others, and
b) Provide faux jobs for those otherwise suitable only for medical
experimentation.

I'm kinda buying in to that philosophy.


One irritating thing about codes is they are like algae, they start
out small and only focus on real problems but over time all the
do-gooders whine incessantly until the city adds more and more stupid
stuff until the code becomes smothering. If you strictly go by the
code here you can't replace an electric outlet yourself or replace
your own water heater but have to have a licensed electrician or
plumber do it for you. It's always "for the children" type of
thinking. it's BS.


I don't follow city codes nor do I get any permits. It is my house, I
paid for it and no government inspector is allowed in my house. But,
I always keep safety in mind when doing a project and avoid doing
projects that extend beyond my walls. Every house has *something*
out-of-code, city inspections are a load of crap.

Ashton Crusher wrote:

Some feel codes are NOT there to protect them or theirs. The codes
exist to:

a) To assuage the moral indignation of those who think they know
what's best for others, and
b) Provide faux jobs for those otherwise suitable only for medical
experimentation.

I'm kinda buying in to that philosophy.


One irritating thing about codes is they are like algae, they start
out small and only focus on real problems but over time all the
do-gooders whine incessantly until the city adds more and more stupid
stuff until the code becomes smothering. If you strictly go by the
code here you can't replace an electric outlet yourself or replace
your own water heater but have to have a licensed electrician or
plumber do it for you. It's always "for the children" type of
thinking. it's BS.

You CAN fight back!

In 1981, my town put forth the idea of zoning. Committees were formed and an
army of volunteers was raised - along with beaucoup private money - to
construct the appropriate city ordinance. Literally tens of thousands of
man-hours were put into testimony and decisions meandering down every block
and by-way, adjusting zoning classifications for every jot and tittle of
land.

As you can imagine, this undertaking was a non-trivial task in having to
deal with six hundred square miles of incorporated area (2080 square miles,
including extra-territorial jurisdiction - larger than the state of
Delaware) and enclosing about four million people.

This beaver-like activity went on for about six months and finally a plan
was put forth (considerably larger than the 1,100 page health-bill now
exercising the country). All of the city's betters endorsed the plan, as did
the business, civic, religious, charitable, neighborhood, labor,
educational, masonic, racial, political, secret, health-care, cosmetology,
and eleemosynary organizations.

Zoning failed four-to-one.

The proponents and workers who invested toil and treasure in the endeavor
were less than sanguine in defeat; they broke roughly into two camps: One
group consisted of those so mad they stabbed each other and another group
whose members became suicidal, turning to drugs for succor.

With all the leaders of the zoning imitative either dead or
institutionalized, the issue has never resurfaced.

Bill wrote:
What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some kid
drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...

Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to prevent
these things from happening again...

Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce them.

The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking up the
wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try the "outraged
public" who caused these rules to be created in the first place...



I remember the days of high-rises without sprinkler systems, reason
being my dad was a firefighter and it upset him to discuss it.
Everything around us, over two stories?, where I live now has been
retrofitted.

I didn't think much about codes until I moved into a condo that had been
long neglected (longer story). There were no functioning lights in
atrium, stairway or front walk, in spite of there being elderly and/or
vision impaired residents. Busted sidewalk steps. Pot holes in pkg.
lot. Rats in attics.

Since living here , I've seen an owner do major remodel without permit.
He screwed through the cabinet of the microwave he installed (found by
next owner, after first owner doubled his money). Another newer owner
burned out some of the wiring to our unit by nailing new flooring
through the conduit in the unit above ours. Wiring had numerous black
char marks on it and burned through completely in at least one spot. He
blew our breaker three times (the final time) before he paid attention.
When he went on to plumbing, his plumber didn't notice a leak in
something newly installed until I saw water dripping from bathroom
ceiling.

wrote:

I didn't think much about codes until I moved into a condo that had
been long neglected (longer story). There were no functioning
lights in atrium, stairway or front walk, in spite of there being
elderly and/or vision impaired residents. Busted sidewalk steps. Pot
holes in pkg. lot. Rats in attics.

Since living here , I've seen an owner do major remodel without
permit. He screwed through the cabinet of the microwave he installed
(found by next owner, after first owner doubled his money). Another
newer owner burned out some of the wiring to our unit by nailing new
flooring through the conduit in the unit above ours. Wiring had
numerous black char marks on it and burned through completely in at
least one spot. He blew our breaker three times (the final time)
before he paid attention. When he went on to plumbing, his plumber
didn't notice a leak in something newly installed until I saw water
dripping from bathroom ceiling.

And your point is, exactly, what?

Seems to me the tenants - including you - are willing to put up with a few
inconveniences in return for (no doubt) significantly reduced rent.

George McGovern bought a large motel with the dream of turning it into a
conference center for progressive ideas. He later said that, had he been an
entrepreneur prior to his stint in Congress, he would have been a
Republican! One of his major gripes was the $150,000 it cost to retrofit
each room with sprinklers. It wasn't exactly 'for the children' in that
EVERY room had a sliding glass door that opened into the pool area or
parking lot.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:


With all the leaders of the zoning imitative either dead or
institutionalized, the issue has never resurfaced.

We went through it the other way. Zoning was not even issue because
all the farmers wanted to stay away from zoning so they could sell their
farms for whatever they wanted... until one of them actually did. After
the concert venue was put in the middle of nowhere, the farmers rammed
through zoning.

--
Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
Jimmy Buffett

HeyBub wrote:
wrote:
I didn't think much about codes until I moved into a condo that had
been long neglected (longer story). There were no functioning
lights in atrium, stairway or front walk, in spite of there being
elderly and/or vision impaired residents. Busted sidewalk steps. Pot
holes in pkg. lot. Rats in attics.

Since living here , I've seen an owner do major remodel without
permit. He screwed through the cabinet of the microwave he installed
(found by next owner, after first owner doubled his money). Another
newer owner burned out some of the wiring to our unit by nailing new
flooring through the conduit in the unit above ours. Wiring had
numerous black char marks on it and burned through completely in at
least one spot. He blew our breaker three times (the final time)
before he paid attention. When he went on to plumbing, his plumber
didn't notice a leak in something newly installed until I saw water
dripping from bathroom ceiling.

And your point is, exactly, what?

Seems to me the tenants - including you - are willing to put up with a few
inconveniences in return for (no doubt) significantly reduced rent.

They aren't tenants, from my reading. They are the owners of the
individual units. One of many reasons I'll never buy a condo- you have
to have somebody knowledgeable and trustworthy riding herd on any owners
making internal changes, to make sure they don't trash the place for
everybody. Which means you have non-trivial condo fees forever, to pay
for said individual, in addition to the care and feeding of the common
areas.

If I can't afford a stand-alone house in whatever area I need to be,
I'll just store or dispose of most of my excess stuff, and rent an
apartment. (Unless I trip across a house that rents for less than buying
one, of course.)

--
aem sends...

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:


With all the leaders of the zoning imitative either dead or
institutionalized, the issue has never resurfaced.

We went through it the other way. Zoning was not even issue because
all the farmers wanted to stay away from zoning so they could sell
their farms for whatever they wanted... until one of them actually
did. After the concert venue was put in the middle of nowhere, the
farmers rammed through zoning.

Why? I would think that the kinds of concerts that take place at concert
venues, the farmers would want the damn thing as far away from normal folk
as possible.

Oren wrote in
:

On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:02:07 -0500, Red Green
wrote:

Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up
the high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end,
into an empty pool.


Even with dark moon night it's quite obvious if there's water in it or
not. I mean really, think about it.


I agree. I never dove in a creek, without first going into the water.
Checking for depth, cypress knees, etc. kids have broken necks diving
into a shallow creek from a bridge railing.

Either the story is pure BS or the student was wacked out on something
to the extreme. And if the student was that wacked out, how could
they get over a 14' fence.

I went to the HS at the time, so it's not BS. Maybe the fence was 12',
heck it was the 60s.


it was the 60s.

Then that explains it. The days of staring at the sun and seeing God.
Student was wacked out on something to the extreme.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:


Why? I would think that the kinds of concerts that take place at concert
venues, the farmers would want the damn thing as far away from normal folk
as possible.

I should have said in the middle of THEIR nowhere. No zoning, so one
of the farmers sold out to a precursor of Live Nation. So basically,
they zoned against them damn hippies (grin).

--
Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
Jimmy Buffett

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:


Why? I would think that the kinds of concerts that take place at concert
venues, the farmers would want the damn thing as far away from normal folk
as possible.

I should have said in the middle of THEIR nowhere. No zoning, so one
of the farmers sold out to a precursor of Live Nation. So basically,
they zoned against them damn hippies (grin).

And now the damn hippies are the old fogies who are running things.
Probably still smoking........)

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:


Why? I would think that the kinds of concerts that take place at
concert venues, the farmers would want the damn thing as far away
from normal folk as possible.

I should have said in the middle of THEIR nowhere. No zoning, so one
of the farmers sold out to a precursor of Live Nation. So basically,
they zoned against them damn hippies (grin).

Oh. Okay, then. In one of the suburbs here, a Muslim group bought some
property to build a new mosque.

The next door farmer put up a sign: "Pig races every Friday night."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=4808968

There are ways, other than zoning, to encourage neighborly behavior. There
are people who advertise: "My six-gun for your six-pack."

In article , HeyBub wrote:
Tom Horne wrote:

The moment that they hooked it up to a pool pump and the requisite
electrical branch circuit to power it the bus stopped being a motor
vehicle. Local code officials can regulate vehicles in terms of were
they may be stored or parked. The article indicated that the city of
Gainsville does not permit vehicles of that size to be stored in the
neighborhood. If they can build the whole assembly onto the buss
chassis including the power supply then the city can only force them
to move it every seventy two hours.

I guess "hooked it up to ... the requisite electrical branch circuit"
completely prohibits electric cars.

The car that is parked and being charged is subject to parking laws,
and zoning and other laws on parked vehicles.

If the electrical line to the car is AC of house voltage or the like,
then the line has to comply with electrical codes and the car, maybe
excluding portion downstream of a "Class II power supply" or the like,
would be subject to UL listing.

If the charging circuitry is external to the car, then permanently
installed parts and the input power feed are subject to the electrical
code, and the charging unit itself is subject to UL listing or recognized
equivalent.

Mobile swimming pools, when parked, do not get out of laws and
building codes on swimming pools by also being vehicles.

- Don Klipstein )

In article , Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:45:46 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Bill wrote:
What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some
kid drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...

Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to
prevent these things from happening again...

Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce
them.
The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking up
the wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try the
"outraged public" who caused these rules to be created in the first
place...

Some feel codes are NOT there to protect them or theirs. The codes exist to:

a) To assuage the moral indignation of those who think they know what's best
for others, and
b) Provide faux jobs for those otherwise suitable only for medical
experimentation.

I'm kinda buying in to that philosophy.


One irritating thing about codes is they are like algae, they start
out small and only focus on real problems but over time all the
do-gooders whine incessantly until the city adds more and more stupid
stuff until the code becomes smothering. If you strictly go by the
code here you can't replace an electric outlet yourself or replace
your own water heater but have to have a licensed electrician or
plumber do it for you. It's always "for the children" type of
thinking. it's BS.

Sadly, too many people in Philadephia cannot afford to hire an
$EXPEN$IVE$ Philadelphia electrician, but also do not know how to properly
repair/replace an existing one going *snap*-*crackle*-*pop*.

The electrician's union (among others) are very strong in Philadelphia.
On the other hand, so many Philadelphians value education so little that
it would be a waste on them to teach basic home electrical repairs in
"home economics" classes.

Any ideas? Force people to graduate high school, demonstrate competence
at reading and understanding a newspaper, sorting mail and finding a known
number room in an office building, writing a basic business letter, and to
demonstrate competence in basic home repairs including basic electrical
ones, in order to keep their gonads?

- Don Klipstein )

In article , Red Green wrote:
Oren wrote in
:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0500, "Master Betty"
wrote:

You can tell city employees never went to college.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/20.../090904_bus.tx
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Pools should have a sturdy locked fence around them.

Even with a 14' fence, a HS student climbed the fence and then up the
high-dive board.

It was a dark moon night when he did a swan dive at the deep end, into
an empty pool.

Even with dark moon night it's quite obvious if there's water in it or
not. I mean really, think about it.

Either the story is pure BS or the student was wacked out on something
to the extreme. And if the student was that wacked out, how could they
get over a 14' fence.

Back in my college days, I had a few evenings being both spectacularly
"whacked out" and "spectacularly physicaly able".

Sometimes in some people, beer and adrenaline can do that. Add some
effects of the glutamic acid (basically glutamate) in a yeast-rich beer, a
sensitivity to invigorating music, maybe a bit of bipolar tendencies from
maddening pressures such as engineering school or growing up gay in the
USA in the early 1980's (I had both) and/or whatever else - possibly manic
due to recently having fallen in love, or from anger related to recently
having dumped a lover.

I would expect there to be a few college students who can climb a 14
foot fence even when so intoxicated they have trouble walking a straight
line, and they tend to not be "turned back" even by injuries just short of
being worth an ER visit. In such a state, they may fairly easily see the
lack of water in the pool - *after getting airborne*.

Swim using the buddy system!

- Don Klipstein )

(Don Klipstein) wrote in
:

In article , Ashton
Crusher wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:45:46 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Bill wrote:
What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some
kid drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...

Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to
prevent these things from happening again...

Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce
them.
The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking
up the wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try
the "outraged public" who caused these rules to be created in the
first place...

Some feel codes are NOT there to protect them or theirs. The codes
exist to:

a) To assuage the moral indignation of those who think they know
what's best for others, and
b) Provide faux jobs for those otherwise suitable only for medical
experimentation.

I'm kinda buying in to that philosophy.


One irritating thing about codes is they are like algae, they start
out small and only focus on real problems but over time all the
do-gooders whine incessantly until the city adds more and more stupid
stuff until the code becomes smothering. If you strictly go by the
code here you can't replace an electric outlet yourself or replace
your own water heater but have to have a licensed electrician or
plumber do it for you. It's always "for the children" type of
thinking. it's BS.

Sadly, too many people in Philadephia cannot afford to hire an
$EXPEN$IVE$ Philadelphia electrician, but also do not know how to
properly repair/replace an existing one going *snap*-*crackle*-*pop*.

The electrician's union (among others) are very strong in
Philadelphia.
On the other hand, so many Philadelphians value education so little
that it would be a waste on them to teach basic home electrical
repairs in "home economics" classes.

Any ideas? Force people to graduate high school, demonstrate
competence
at reading and understanding a newspaper, sorting mail and finding a
known number room in an office building, writing a basic business
letter, and to demonstrate competence in basic home repairs including
basic electrical ones, in order to keep their gonads?

- Don Klipstein )

The alternative is to find someone who works or has recently worked under
a licensed electrician and wants to do some extra work "on the side".
They are usually either trying to learn for a license or don't have some
of the non-electric skills required for a license. They can do the work
efficiently and to code, but of course you'll have to trust them ...
Here in North Jersey we have found someone like that. Of course, knowing
yourself a bit of what the work should involve is a BIG plus.

YMMV ...
--
Best regards
Han
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"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
I don't follow city codes nor do I get any permits. It is my house, I
paid for it and no government inspector is allowed in my house. But,
I always keep safety in mind when doing a project and avoid doing
projects that extend beyond my walls. Every house has *something*
out-of-code, city inspections are a load of crap.

It's your house as long as you own it but when you sell it to me, or your
estate sells it, now it is MY house and I don't want to inherit all the f_ _
k ups you created 'cause your libertarian ways adn lack of knowledge of even
they most basic construction techniques resulted in.

Not directed at you specifically - just the generic you.