American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

Terry wrote:
American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.
Hi,
You are not an American?

In article ,
Terry wrote:

American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

At least a few of us know the difference between a plural and a
possessive, though.

Terry wrote:
American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

Smiley aside, **** you.

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

When it gets down to machinists' tolerances, it really makes no difference.

Now I'll grant you, trying to learn physics in traditional units is more
difficult than in metric...

nate

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In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message

Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.

When our company bought a machine that was all metric, I though it would be
a PITA. A few months after working with it on a regular basis, I think we
should have changed to metric 100 years ago. I can also think in terms of
bars for pressure too, not to mention grams per liter for density. I even
buy my soda by the liter.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Smitty Two" wrote in message
Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.

When our company bought a machine that was all metric, I though it would be
a PITA. A few months after working with it on a regular basis, I think we
should have changed to metric 100 years ago. I can also think in terms of
bars for pressure too, not to mention grams per liter for density. I even
buy my soda by the liter.


Don't look now, but this country DID officially switch, several decades
ago. They just never enforced it, other than for the size of booze
bottles and dosages for meds, and some other stuff I can't remember
right now. Some stuff (like spark plug threads) always was metric. In
formerly non-metric countries, English measurements are still common. Go
up to Canada and buy a sheet of plywood- you'll see. Some old property
records are neither- how many people know how long a chain and a rod are
without looking it up? Half and half products are a real pain. Remember
the Pinto? It had a German-design engine, with US parts hung off it. Try
finding metric bolts with English heads these days.

Once the last manufacturing plant in CONUS closes up shop, it'll all be
a moot point anyway.

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Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.

not if you're trying to divide something into halves, thirds, or quarters...

nate

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Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm.
reason being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as
fractions, while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten
times (!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the
OP's point.

I've used both systems and I have no trouble using fractions, in fact I can
do them faster in my head than most of the young people I meet can make
change for a dollar.

Terry made his point ... many unthinking Americans have their heads in
the sand. Think of the good ideas they oppose simply because
BigBusiness tells them to:

Disc brakes;
Radial tires;
Robertson screws;
Socialism;
Gun control.

Some narrow-minded Americans continue to think that the American Way
is the ONLY WAY without considering better
options developed elsewhere! No wonder Americans are generally
believed to be uncouth and backward throughout much of the world.

Borealbushman (an American, but not from the US)


PS "Smitty Two," many of us know the difference between a plural and
a possessive, but our pedantic knowledge changes nothing in Terry's
correct statement. Listen to the message; don't shoot the messenger.



On Apr 25, 8:46*pm, Terry wrote:
American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things. *

"aemeijers" wrote in message
news
right now. Some stuff (like spark plug threads) always was metric. In


The spark plugs are a real funny thing. Metric threads and English wrench
to take them out.

Nate Nagel wrote:
Terry wrote:
American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

Smiley aside, **** you.

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

When it gets down to machinists' tolerances, it really makes no difference.

Now I'll grant you, trying to learn physics in traditional units is more
difficult than in metric...

So what does it tell you? Metric system is universal. Imperial and
American gallon? What is that?

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.
Hi,
Maybe he has 12 fingers or toes?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Smitty Two" wrote in message
Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.

When our company bought a machine that was all metric, I though it would be
a PITA. A few months after working with it on a regular basis, I think we
should have changed to metric 100 years ago. I can also think in terms of
bars for pressure too, not to mention grams per liter for density. I even
buy my soda by the liter.


Hi,
Kids in school, hospitals, military all uses metric now.

borealbushman wrote:

Terry made his point ... many unthinking Americans have their heads in
the sand.

Hardly a condition unique to Americans.

Think of the good ideas they oppose simply because
BigBusiness tells them to:

Disc brakes;
Radial tires;
Robertson screws;

??? I seem to have little problem purchasing all those products from
American businesses.

Socialism;
Gun control.

And there you go, in the ditch with your wheels pointing at the sky....

Some narrow-minded Americans continue to think that the American Way
is the ONLY WAY without considering better
options developed elsewhere!

Yup, I'd agree many Americans display exactly that behavior.

No wonder Americans are generally
believed to be uncouth and backward throughout much of the world.

Until much of the world needs their help, then they grudgingly tolerate
those crummy Americans until they don't need them anymore. Funny how it
works out that way.

In article ,
"DGDevin" wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm.
reason being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as
fractions, while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten
times (!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the
OP's point.

I've used both systems and I have no trouble using fractions, in fact I can
do them faster in my head than most of the young people I meet can make
change for a dollar.

Comparing your intelligence to someone else's is completely irrelevant
to the topic.

In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.

Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.

not if you're trying to divide something into halves, thirds, or quarters...

nate

OK. Divide 7', 5 11/16" into thirds.

"DGDevin" wrote in message

Think of the good ideas they oppose simply because
BigBusiness tells them to:

Disc brakes;
Radial tires;
Robertson screws;

??? I seem to have little problem purchasing all those products from
American businesses.

Now you can, but disc brakes were used in Europe for may years before the
Big 3 put them on our cars. Robertson screws are just getting started in the
US after decades in Canada. Many people still have never heard of them.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.
Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.
not if you're trying to divide something into halves, thirds, or quarters...

nate

OK. Divide 7', 5 11/16" into thirds.

29-9/10"

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message
Think of the good ideas they oppose simply because
BigBusiness tells them to:

Disc brakes;
Radial tires;
Robertson screws;
??? I seem to have little problem purchasing all those products from
American businesses.

Now you can, but disc brakes were used in Europe for may years before the
Big 3 put them on our cars. Robertson screws are just getting started in the
US after decades in Canada. Many people still have never heard of them.


Hi,
Robertson is Canuck invention.

Smitty Two wrote:

I've used both systems and I have no trouble using fractions, in
fact I can do them faster in my head than most of the young people I
meet can make change for a dollar.

Comparing your intelligence to someone else's is completely irrelevant
to the topic.

Intelligence has nothing to do with it, how well people are taught to use
whichever system is the issue. People using supposedly inferior and
obsolete non-metric systems of weights and measures built much of the world
you know, so it would seem that the system employed is not responsible for
the quality achieved. If you were as smart as me you'd see that. [That
last bit is a joke BTW].

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Think of the good ideas they oppose simply because
BigBusiness tells them to:

Disc brakes;
Radial tires;
Robertson screws;

??? I seem to have little problem purchasing all those products from
American businesses.

Now you can, but disc brakes were used in Europe for may years before
the Big 3 put them on our cars.

Sure, I've already agreed America often resists better ideas on the NIH
principle: Not Invented Here. But my last three cars have been
American-made and have all had disc brakes and radial tires. They've all
been pretty much trouble-free too I'm pleased to say.

Robertson screws are just getting
started in the US after decades in Canada. Many people still have
never heard of them.

That's because they're called square-drive rather than Robertson. ;~) And
as evidence that Americans aren't blindly resistant to change when it comes
to fasteners, I would point to the widespread success of the TORX system.

In article ,
Steve Barker wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.
Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.
not if you're trying to divide something into halves, thirds, or
quarters...

nate

OK. Divide 7', 5 11/16" into thirds.

29-9/10"

9/10???? Where the hell is that on your fractional ruler? See, you're
lapsing into the metric system without even realizing it. Must've been
something you ate.

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:26:28 GMT, aemeijers wrote:

English measurements are still common. Go
up to Canada and buy a sheet of plywood- you'll see.

Do they really have 1/2" plywood up there. It has been 12mm in the US
for years. (rounded off to 15/32")

But it is still a 4'x8' sheet, and studs are still 16" on center...

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borealbushman wrote:

Listen to the message; don't shoot the messenger.

Listening to the message makes me want to shoot the messenger, because
it's a stupid message offensively delivered.

nate

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Tony Hwang wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message
Think of the good ideas they oppose simply because
BigBusiness tells them to:

Disc brakes;
Radial tires;
Robertson screws;
??? I seem to have little problem purchasing all those products from
American businesses.

Now you can, but disc brakes were used in Europe for may years before
the Big 3 put them on our cars. Robertson screws are just getting
started in the US after decades in Canada. Many people still have
never heard of them.

Hi,
Robertson is Canuck invention.

And my dad had a camper shell on his pickup truck back in '73 that had
robertson screws on it.

I believe the reason it wasn't more widely used had something to do with
a patent, not an unwillingness to adopt something new.

nate

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On Apr 25, 7:46*pm, Terry wrote:
American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things. *

Ur a pee ins, Mayonaise on Freedom Fries, Celcius, its less than half
as definative as Farenhite. Take a shower once in a while and start
using toilet paper, you wont need a Butt cleaner like the Bidet. Ur a
pee ins, strange folks. I was there in the 60s when places still had a
just hole in the floor to do it. now thats class.

Nate Nagel wrote:
Tony Hwang wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message
Think of the good ideas they oppose simply because
BigBusiness tells them to:

Disc brakes;
Radial tires;
Robertson screws;
??? I seem to have little problem purchasing all those products
from American businesses.

Now you can, but disc brakes were used in Europe for may years before
the Big 3 put them on our cars. Robertson screws are just getting
started in the US after decades in Canada. Many people still have
never heard of them.

Hi,
Robertson is Canuck invention.

And my dad had a camper shell on his pickup truck back in '73 that had
robertson screws on it.

I believe the reason it wasn't more widely used had something to do with
a patent, not an unwillingness to adopt something new.

nate


If you're talking about the screws with the square cavity
in the head, trailer and portable building manufacturers
have been fond of them for decades. Some years ago, I
started to notice them in electrical panels. There are so
many different varieties of fastener heads now that it is
mind boggling. I don't get into deck building but I've
noticed a special screw and drive for those damn things
now. I took my Dremel tool to a cheap flathead screwdriver
the other day to modify it in order to disassemble a power
supply that had deeply recessed weird headed screws for some
unfathomable reason.

TDD

Nate Nagel wrote:

Now you can, but disc brakes were used in Europe for may years
before the Big 3 put them on our cars. Robertson screws are just
getting started in the US after decades in Canada. Many people
still have never heard of them.

Hi,
Robertson is Canuck invention.

And my dad had a camper shell on his pickup truck back in '73 that had
robertson screws on it.

I believe the reason it wasn't more widely used had something to do
with a patent, not an unwillingness to adopt something new.

nate

Hmmmm, now that's interesting, it wouldn't be the first (or last) time a
product or service was kept out of a particular market for contractual or
legal reasons.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:46:48 -0400, Terry
wrote:

American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

I'm an American, and I prefer the metric system.

Also, I don't use inappropriate apostrophes.

On Apr 25, 9:26*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
*Nate Nagel wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
*Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. *When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. *reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.
Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

There are so
many different varieties of fastener heads now that it is
mind boggling. I don't get into deck building but I've
noticed a special screw and drive for those damn things
now. I took my Dremel tool to a cheap flathead screwdriver
the other day to modify it in order to disassemble a power
supply that had deeply recessed weird headed screws for some
unfathomable reason.

TDD

It's often because they don't want you taking apart something, a set of
security-screw drivers is handy to have in the toolbox.

"harry k" wrote in message

OK. Divide 7', 5 11/16" into thirds.

29-9/10"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And in doing that you had to covert from feet to inches, do several
arithmetical calculations, etc.

*****************************************

Then you'd still have to find a ruler marked in 10ths. I have one, but it
is only 6"

DGDevin wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

There are so
many different varieties of fastener heads now that it is
mind boggling. I don't get into deck building but I've
noticed a special screw and drive for those damn things
now. I took my Dremel tool to a cheap flathead screwdriver
the other day to modify it in order to disassemble a power
supply that had deeply recessed weird headed screws for some
unfathomable reason.

TDD

It's often because they don't want you taking apart something, a set of
security-screw drivers is handy to have in the toolbox.



I have just about every type of security bit
available except the slightly out of round
one that fits the heads of security screws
that confound tamperers because they resemble
the head of a carriage bolt. Never tell me
you don't want me to disassemble something,
I take it as a challenge. :~)

TDD

"Terry" wrote in message
...
American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

and you waste your time thinking about what measurement system a bunch of
fat, lazy, burger eating, bible thumping, hypocritical, cowardly morons use?

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
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"harry k" wrote in message

OK. Divide 7', 5 11/16" into thirds.

29-9/10"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And in doing that you had to covert from feet to inches, do several
arithmetical calculations, etc.

*****************************************

Then you'd still have to find a ruler marked in 10ths. I have one,
but it is only 6"

My Stanley Eurolock 3m 30-299 tape-measure is 300 cm x 13 mm, in a case
that's about 2 x 2 x 3/4" snicker.

I'm trying to stay flexible, but I still like calculating metric much
better.

And, to reinforce what's been said befo The metric sheets of plywood,
panelling, sheetrock, etc in Europe are indeed nominally 4x8 ft, just
measured in mm.

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Best regards
Han
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"DGDevin" wrote in
:

it wouldn't be the first (or last) time a
product or service was kept out of a particular market for contractual
or legal reasons.

Misconception. Or is contractual or legal newspeak for marketing?

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Best regards
Han
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Gary H wrote in
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:46:48 -0400, Terry
wrote:

American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

I'm an American, and I prefer the metric system.

Also, I don't use inappropriate apostrophes.

As a non-native american I do have difficulties with apostrophes at times.
Especially when the exceptions become the rule.

--
Best regards
Han
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"Lynn" wrote in
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"Terry" wrote in message
...
American's are so stupid that they reject a much easier way of doing
things.

and you waste your time thinking about what measurement system a bunch
of fat, lazy, burger eating, bible thumping, hypocritical, cowardly
morons use?

Hou je mond dicht, of was hem/haar eerst uit met groene zeep.

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Han
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Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Steve Barker wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

That said, the metric system is not always easier. When measuring
distance, for instance, it's a lot easier to use inches than mm. reason
being fractions of an inch are expressed just that way, as fractions,
while fractions of a mm are expressed decimally.
Hard to argue with that much illogic! Working with decimals is ten times
(!) as easy as working with fractions, which is exactly the OP's point.
not if you're trying to divide something into halves, thirds, or
quarters...

nate
OK. Divide 7', 5 11/16" into thirds.
29-9/10"

9/10???? Where the hell is that on your fractional ruler? See, you're
lapsing into the metric system without even realizing it. Must've been
something you ate.

actually there are dozens of tapes in tenths. Can't hardly do stair
stringers without one.

http://www.chiefsupply.com/Survey/Me...825IE#features

steve