I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

James wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

I think your price range is low for a decent unit. A Ryobi *might* be
passable as some of their other products are. For my occasional table
saw needs I have a Bosch (branded) TS4000? contractors saw that has been
very good. I recall it being closer to $400 though.

On Feb 7, 8:49*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
James wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. * The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. * *Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 *!!

Perhaps several times a year, *I will have *a need to cut 2 x 4's , *some
trim pieces , and *perhaps some plywood. * Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. * Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. * It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. *I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) * and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. *I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? * *Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

I think your price range is low for a decent unit. A Ryobi *might* be
passable as some of their other products are. For my occasional table
saw needs I have a Bosch (branded) TS4000? contractors saw that has been
very good. I recall it being closer to $400 though.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not sure of the price but have always ahd good luck with Craftsmen

"Pete C." wrote in message
ster.com...

James wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have
owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or
a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really
skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut
boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be
very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need
any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding
$150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

I think your price range is low for a decent unit. A Ryobi *might* be
passable as some of their other products are. For my occasional table
saw needs I have a Bosch (branded) TS4000? contractors saw that has been
very good. I recall it being closer to $400 though.

Ditto on the Ryobi...I bought a 10" miter saw ($75) and a tablesaw with a
stand ($99) at Homedepot...Can't beat it for occasional use...But I ain't
into the , mine is bigger and better than yours crap....Just needed to
gitter done on a budget...LOL...Also have a duffel bag full of Ryobi
cordless tools ($150) that work good as well....

"James" wrote in message
Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding
$150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??


At that price you won't get much. Look for used. There are saws in the $250
range that will probably do what you want. Serious saws start at $800 and
go to $3500 or so. Local shopping papers often have five or ten saws listed
for sale. If you find one that has not been abused you may get a very good
deal. Belt driven saws are quieter and smoother running that direct drive
saws. The Ridgid saws at Home Depot are decent but more than your budget.

No matter what you end up with, take some time to learn how to use the saw,
how to use a push stick, learn to use the fence and miter properly and never
use them together or you can get kickback that is very serious.

The blade that come with the saw is OK for hacking a 2 x 4, but not so good
for serious trim cutting or plywood. Good blades start at $50, very good
blades are $100 and up.Freud is a good brand for the modest priced ones.

James wrote:
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James


what you need is a miter saw, not a table saw.

steve

James wrote:
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I
have owned for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use,
I am still not good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a
piece of plywood or a 2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's ,
some trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not
really skilled at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare
bones, but quality table saw. Again, I just need something that
will allow me to cut boards and trim pieces and end up with a
straight cut. It doesn't have to be very high powered, or have a
lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an adjustable fence (isn't
that what they call it........ the piece you move left and right, and
put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess something that
adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any angle
cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not
exceeding $150 ? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments here first.

Thanks for any advice !!


I bought a Ryobi at HD for $99 to cut laminate flooring. I figured if it
would streamline and simplify the job, it would be well worth it. It did.

Now, I put the saw to use quite frequently. Frankly, it's one of those
things that, once you get it, you wonder how you ever lived without it. If I
need a 2x2, I grab a 2x4 and rip it. If I need a 1x1, I grab a 2x4 and rip
it twice. If I need a 1/2 x 1...

The saw comes with a stand, but you'll probably want to fashion a shelf.
Also, Harbor Freight has a sawdust-catching canvas bag (I think it's $8)
that you can attach to the underside with snaps for easy removal.

While you're at HF, get a stock support gizmo. It's an adjustable tripod
with a roller top. The table on the Ryobi was not designed for cutting 4x8
sheets of plywood.

jim wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:49 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
James wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!
Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.
So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??
I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.
Thanks for any advice !!
James
I think your price range is low for a decent unit. A Ryobi *might* be
passable as some of their other products are. For my occasional table
saw needs I have a Bosch (branded) TS4000? contractors saw that has been
very good. I recall it being closer to $400 though.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not sure of the price but have always ahd good luck with Craftsmen

Going through a similar mental exercise (Plus some hands-on
experimenting, visiting my father's place where all needed tools are
available), and came to the following conclusions:
1. The low end table saws with the tiny tables are useless for ripping
plywood and panels more than a couple feet on a side, unless you rig all
sorts of tall sawhorses, and/or have a helper available. And unless you
have a walkout basement, barn, or extra bay in the garage, they are pain
in the ass to store and set up. Surprisingly easy to get them out of
adjustment if they get moved around a lot.

2. A cheap power miter saw beats the heck out of a table saw for trim
miters and cutting 2x4s square for framing projects. (I can't freehand
square cuts any more either.) And they are easy to move around,
especially if you spring for a fold-up stand.

3. For once-in-a-blue-moon panel ripping, several solid sawhorses, and 4
carefully placed 2x4s, plus a metal rip guide (a long straight piece of
metal channel) and some clamps, will let you rip panels with a skilsaw
about as well as a tiny table saw will. Just slide the saw up the rip
guide, and the cut is straight. I wouldn't use something like that for
production work, because it takes too long to set up each cut, but if
you are only cutting a few boards a year, it works. Once you learn the
right offset for your skilsaw/blade combination, setting the fence to
the right offset on the raw material doesn't take long. One strong clamp
at each end, and a stiff enough fence, and the cut is straight enough
for anything short of fine cabinetry. Laying out the loose 2x4s properly
under the work piece keeps the cut from binding up, or the wood from
splintering at the end. (and keeps you from cutting into the sawhorses.)

Anyway, once weather warms up, and I get off my ass and actually start
on my long-postponed projects here, that is the approach I plan to take.
Already have the miter saw, and a half-ass skilsaw (which may need
replacing, since bearings are a tad sloppy.) So all I need is some
better sawhorses, and some2x4s and a piece of metal channel. I think I
have enough clamps laying around....

--
aem sends...

"James" wrote in message
...
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have
owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or
a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be
very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding
$150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

I have a small table saw. The first thing I learned is that the supporting
table is more important than the saw. You can take a cheap $150 table saw,
and if you build supports around it, it will do a lot of things a good one
will. When you run into trouble is trying to do big sheets of plywood, etc.
I built a metal frame around mine that is 4' square and flat with the table
saw top. It closely fits around the table top so that the saw cannot shift
or tilt. It does most of all I have asked it to do. If you notice, with
table saws, the bigger the table, the more the saw costs. Yes, the fences
and other accessories are more accurate, and you get a better motor, but
essentially the difference is table size. If you don't feed it more than it
can chew, you won't kill it.

Steve

"James" wrote in message
...
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have
owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or
a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be
very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding
$150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

In the past two months, I saw a big Craftsman for $100, and a Rockwell for
$50. Shop around, and you can get a good used one. Just test it and make
sure you hear it run.

Steve

On Feb 7, 6:40*pm, "James" wrote:
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. * The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. * *Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 *!!

Perhaps several times a year, *I will have *a need to cut 2 x 4's , *some
trim pieces , and *perhaps some plywood. * Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. * Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. * It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. *I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) * and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. *I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? * *Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/1024271674.html

James wrote:
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I
have owned for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use,
I am still not good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a
piece of plywood or a 2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's ,
some trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not
really skilled at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare
bones, but quality table saw. Again, I just need something that
will allow me to cut boards and trim pieces and end up with a
straight cut. It doesn't have to be very high powered, or have a
lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an adjustable fence (isn't
that what they call it........ the piece you move left and right, and
put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess something that
adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any angle
cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not
exceeding $150 ? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

For what you want (rip ply, cross cut 2x4)...

1. Buy/make a couple of wood saw horses

2. Buy a sheet of 1/2" or 3/4" and have the store rip you off a piece about
10" wide. Mark the factory edge,

3. Buy a couple of clamps

4. Buy a Speed Square (alternately, a chop saw)

Use the speed square or chop saw for cross cutting. For ply, lay the sheet
you want to rip on the horses, clamp your 10" piece of ply on top, use the
factory edge you marked as a fence for your hand saw. Set the saw's depth
of cut so that it is only a bit more than the thickness of the ply so you
don't mess up the top of the horses too badly.

You could improve the fence by having the 1/2" thick strip cut narrower -
around 6", say - and gluing a piece of masonite to the bottom. The masonite
should be wide enough so that you can run your saw along the fence and trim
off a bit of masonite along the full length. You now have a rip guide that
shows you exactly where you will be cutting and you don't have to include
the saw's shoe width as an offset when you are measuring. You could also
make a 4' rip guide for cross cutting sheets of ply. With either - if you
want to be fancy - you could add a "T" at one end to help square the guide
to what you are cutting.

Believe me, rip guides like these are easier to use than trying to manhandle
full sheets of ply through a table saw. Especially through a small,
inexpensive one.

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On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:40:41 -0500, "James"
wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James


For $150 you can get a decent circular saw. You need $90 for a
quality 10" tablesaw blade. High quality table saw brands include
Powermatic (USA) and General (Canada). Avoid Made in China, save up
more $.

"James" wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood.

For 20 yrs I had a radial arm saw as my 'shop saw'. When it died I
got a table saw. After missing the ease of making angle cuts for
about 10 yrs I got a 12"chop saw last summer.

I'd say spend your money on a decent 12" miter saw- make sure it
swings left and right and has some good solid locking. buy a
foldable stand for it. The first time you cut 1/2" off a 4x4 with
one clean swipe you'll have to sit down and smoke a cigarette.

Make a fence like a couple people have described here for ripping and
cutting plywood.

Craigslist is worth watching- but after watching for several months I
got a better deal right from Bosch on a reconditioned saw- 1 yr
warranty.

http://bosch.cpotools.com/reconditio...ws/miter_saws/
BTW- the saw I bought after shopping for months for the best bang for
my buck was the 3912. I paid $317 for it--- now it is $229.
Still a bit over your budget [and you'll want a stand for it at some
point] but in the long run you'll be glad you splurged. Make the
Mrs. a nice octagon shadowbox frame & she'll love the saw, too.

Jim

Steve, I don't think one can cut plywood with a miter saw ~!

James

James,

We have a Ryobi table saw with a built in folding stand that we purchased at
HD about 5 years ago that we use for a jobsite saw. I would not call it a
quality saw but it does the job. We paid about $200 for it. If you want
quality look for a used contractor style table saw on craigslist. You can
get them for $300 - $350 around here. It would probably last you the rest of
your life. Make sure you buy a good blade $50 - $100.

cm
"James" wrote in message
...
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have
owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or
a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be
very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding
$150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

Very, very good comments and responses here. I will look at the Ryobi and
Craftsmen, and will also look at Craig's List.

Thanks a lot to all !! Very good comments ~ !!!

James

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:40:41 -0500, "James"
wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James


First your price limit is low, so it will be hard to find one that is
quality at that price. In fact, hard to find anything at that price.

Consider good used! With today's economy used tools are going for
pennys on the dollar, so a reasonable saw can easily be gotten for
$150.

Also consider seriously a radial arm saw instead of a table saw. Much
more versitle and will do (with some practice) everythign that a table
saw will do, and much, much more. Even a better Sears Crapsman radial
arm saw can be gotten used for virtually nothing. Try Craig's list and
eBay. If eBay, only bid on local items so you can inspect it first,
and pick it up to avoid shipping. These can be big and heavy so
shipping can be a PITA...

I ship 100 to 150 lb packages motor freight all the time, and for a
run from Virginia to NH (about 600 miles) we pay about $100 for the
shipment. UPS Freight and FedEx freight, if you have an account, can
be cheaper, we ship 200+ lb shipments from TX to NH monthly for about
$150 using UPS Freight.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:57:58 -0500, "James"
wrote:

Very, very good comments and responses here. I will look at the Ryobi and
Craftsmen, and will also look at Craig's List.

Thanks a lot to all !! Very good comments ~ !!!

James



Ryobi and Craftsman are not "good choices" but may be okay for your
use. Don't expect to get into precison work without a lot of fuss.
The fence is a very critical and important part of a table saw. You
will want a circular saw to cut 4x8 ply sheets, not a small table saw.

I always use a Makita or a De Walt for mobile use in my construction
business. I would suggest the same for you. You can get leg stand for
these saws also. they work fine, rip plywood, 2x and much more. they are
light weight, and easy to use.
these are the small job table saws.....
The most important part of a saw is a "sharp blade" and one made for the
type of wood you are ripping. I see too many homeowners with fine saws and
dull blades burning through a piece of wood......
jloomis
"James" wrote in message
...
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have
owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or
a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be
very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding
$150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James

PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:40:41 -0500, "James"
wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James


First your price limit is low, so it will be hard to find one that is
quality at that price. In fact, hard to find anything at that price.

Consider good used! With today's economy used tools are going for
pennys on the dollar, so a reasonable saw can easily be gotten for
$150.

Also consider seriously a radial arm saw instead of a table saw. Much
more versitle and will do (with some practice) everythign that a table
saw will do, and much, much more. Even a better Sears Crapsman radial
arm saw can be gotten used for virtually nothing. Try Craig's list and
eBay. If eBay, only bid on local items so you can inspect it first,
and pick it up to avoid shipping. These can be big and heavy so
shipping can be a PITA...

I gave away a really good condition crafstman radial arm saw last year.
The thing was a moose to move around, took up a lot of space and the
slightest jam would knock it out of alignment.



I ship 100 to 150 lb packages motor freight all the time, and for a
run from Virginia to NH (about 600 miles) we pay about $100 for the
shipment. UPS Freight and FedEx freight, if you have an account, can
be cheaper, we ship 200+ lb shipments from TX to NH monthly for about
$150 using UPS Freight.

Van Chocstraw wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
jim wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:49 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
James wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I
have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am
still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of
plywood or a
2 x 4 !!
Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's
, some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really
skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but
quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut
boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have
to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece
you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I
guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would
need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.
So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not
exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??
I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments
here first.
Thanks for any advice !!
James
I think your price range is low for a decent unit. A Ryobi *might* be
passable as some of their other products are. For my occasional table
saw needs I have a Bosch (branded) TS4000? contractors saw that has
been
very good. I recall it being closer to $400 though.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not sure of the price but have always ahd good luck with Craftsmen

Going through a similar mental exercise (Plus some hands-on
experimenting, visiting my father's place where all needed tools are
available), and came to the following conclusions:
1. The low end table saws with the tiny tables are useless for ripping
plywood and panels more than a couple feet on a side, unless you rig
all sorts of tall sawhorses, and/or have a helper available. And
unless you have a walkout basement, barn, or extra bay in the garage,
they are pain in the ass to store and set up. Surprisingly easy to
get them out of adjustment if they get moved around a lot.

You can build a bigger table around it and build extensions.

(snip)

And
unless you have a walkout basement, barn, or extra bay in the garage,
they are pain in the ass to store and set up. Surprisingly easy to
get them out of adjustment if they get moved around a lot.

Yes, I know all that. And if I had a good space to build all that and
leave it set up, I would. Idiot previous owner, when he added a two-car
garage and abandoned the original one-car in the basement, filled in the
wall where the old door was, and filled in front yard. If he had put in
a 3-0 steel door and left a walkway, it would make a great place for a
walkout woodshop. But the way it is now, I can't even get 4x8 plywood
down there (tight turns in kitchen and down narrow stairs, etc.) For the
few things I will ever do around here, just not worth it- wait for warm
weather, park the cars in driveway, and set up camp in the garage. With
the amount of snow around here, leaving the cars outside all winter is
not an option.

--
aem sends...

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:52:00 -0500, "James"
wrote:

Steve, I don't think one can cut plywood with a miter saw ~!

Sure one can. But first one needs to get it down to size with one's
skil saw.g

Jim

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:57:10 -0800 (PST), jim
wrote:

Not sure of the price but have always ahd good luck with Craftsmen

I second that if you can find a good used one that was the old
Craftsman Who knows what is under that label now.
I have a 40 year old Craftsman that just won't die.
I have cut all sorts of stuff on it over the years.
If you tune it up it will still do cabinet quality work.

I bet you can get one for under $100 used.

I have older Craftsman tools such as a router, circle saw, belt sander, and
air compressor. All (over 30 years old) still work fine except I had to
replace all the plastic parts (pressure release valve etc) on the compressor
using standard pipe fittings..

I have a Makita table saw and I have been using it regularly for over 30
years. The only problem I've had is the height adjustment gets stuck and
needs to be lubricated. As an option you can get extensions for the sides
that are simply bars that attach underneath the table. I made one into a
48" extension using plywood. It's also very handy to have a couple of
sawhorses that are built to the correct height for holding full 4' x 8'
sheets. You can also get adjustable height rollers but I've never used
them. I don't know how much the Makita sells for these days but no doubt
it's over $150. Harbor Freight sells some pretty decent carbide saw blades
for very little money. They are cheaper than the cost of getting a good
blade sharpened. I have some blades that cost more than what you are
planning on spending on the saw.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:57:10 -0800 (PST), jim
wrote:

Not sure of the price but have always ahd good luck with Craftsmen

I second that if you can find a good used one that was the old
Craftsman Who knows what is under that label now.
I have a 40 year old Craftsman that just won't die.
I have cut all sorts of stuff on it over the years.
If you tune it up it will still do cabinet quality work.

I bet you can get one for under $100 used.
Around here (Portland, Oregon), used Craftsman table saws are always
available for around $60±. Not necessarily the old cast iron table
extensions, but they do come up often.

Ivan Vegvary

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:40:41 -0500, "James"
wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have
owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or
a
2 x 4 !!

Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really
skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut
boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be
very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need
any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.

So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding
$150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??

I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get
comments
here first.

Thanks for any advice !!

James


You dont need to spend $150. Not even $1.50.
Just put your circular saw (skilsaw), or any sort of hand saw on your
kitchen table. There ya go...... YOU NOW HAVE A TABLE SAW.
And probably a nagging, bitching wife too, because women dont like
tools in their rooms, which includes every room in the house except
the part of the garage that she dont reserve for all her exercise
equipment, and clothing storage.

Come to think of it, many, many years ago when I didn't have ANY money I
mounted my Sears circular saw under a sheet of 3/4" plywood, made a fence,
added some support framing around the edges, and attached it to some kind of
table (forget what). I then added my jigsaw and a router. I was able to do
a lot of stuff with it. The circular saw's blade height could be adjusted
easily enough but it was difficult to get it extremely accurate, saw within
1/16" inch.

I suggest you read a book about woodworking and find out about making
various jigs such as a taper jig. You can also make wood "springs" for
holding your work very accurately of those times when it needs to be
perfectly parallel. I prefer to make my "push sticks" from 1 x 4 pine--you
just trim about 1/4" from the bottom leaving about an inch or so at the end
to do the pushing. I get more control this way and my fingers are well away
from the blade. Personally I hate blade guards and never use them. I often
rip stuff that's too small for the blade guard anyway. In my opinion it's
safer to pay attention to what you are doing than to rely on some safety
devices (yes, I still have 10 fingers).

"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:57:58 -0500, "James"
wrote:

Very, very good comments and responses here. I will look at the Ryobi
and
Craftsmen, and will also look at Craig's List.

Thanks a lot to all !! Very good comments ~ !!!

James



Ryobi and Craftsman are not "good choices" but may be okay for your
use. Don't expect to get into precison work without a lot of fuss.
The fence is a very critical and important part of a table saw. You
will want a circular saw to cut 4x8 ply sheets, not a small table saw.

It's much easier and more accurate to use a properly set up table saw to cut
full sheets than to use a circular saw. If you don't care that the cuts are
1/8" off then you can use a circular saw. You still need to support the
section that is going to fall off or you can end up in a precarious
position.

"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:57:58 -0500, "James"
wrote:

Very, very good comments and responses here. I will look at the Ryobi and
Craftsmen, and will also look at Craig's List.

Thanks a lot to all !! Very good comments ~ !!!

James



Ryobi and Craftsman are not "good choices" but may be okay for your
use. Don't expect to get into precison work without a lot of fuss.
The fence is a very critical and important part of a table saw. You
will want a circular saw to cut 4x8 ply sheets, not a small table saw.

Huh? If you don't mind snaky cuts, a circle saw will do. If you want it to
match at the joint, you will need to use a table saw, if even a cheap one.

Steve

"James" wrote in message
net...
Steve, I don't think one can cut plywood with a miter saw ~!

James

I hope you were talking to Steve Barker. I didn't say that. But having
said that, having a big miter saw is sure nice to get accurate cuts on
boards, and they will cut fairly wide boards.

SteveB

SteveB wrote:
....
Huh? If you don't mind snaky cuts, a circle saw will do. If you want it to
match at the joint, you will need to use a table saw, if even a cheap one.
....
A decent circular saw w/ a guide will do as well and far easier than a
small table saw w/o sizable extension infeed/outfeed tables on ply.

For a casual/occasional user, the space to dedicate to a tablesaw and
it's supporting outfeed table in order to be able to make a good,
straight cut safely is generally not available and by the time one gets
it out and sets it up unless there's a whole lot of work the cut-to-size
could have been done already w/ the circular saw.

It's no mean feat to wrestle a full sheet of 3/4" ply over a table saw
and definitely not recommended w/o sufficient table to support it.

It's one of the prime reasons I keep the radial saw in the long bench --
it makes ripping 4x8 sheets child's play from whence they can then be
taken in reasonably-sized pieces to the next stage.

But, that's not an option for most w/ limited space, resources and, even
more importantly, interest to have such resources invested in shop
equipment.

imo, ymmv, $0.02, etc., etc., etc., ...

--

aemeijers wrote:
jim wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:49 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
James wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!
Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.
So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??
I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.
Thanks for any advice !!
James
I think your price range is low for a decent unit. A Ryobi *might* be
passable as some of their other products are. For my occasional table
saw needs I have a Bosch (branded) TS4000? contractors saw that has been
very good. I recall it being closer to $400 though.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not sure of the price but have always ahd good luck with Craftsmen

Going through a similar mental exercise (Plus some hands-on
experimenting, visiting my father's place where all needed tools are
available), and came to the following conclusions:
1. The low end table saws with the tiny tables are useless for ripping
plywood and panels more than a couple feet on a side, unless you rig all
sorts of tall sawhorses, and/or have a helper available. And unless you
have a walkout basement, barn, or extra bay in the garage, they are pain
in the ass to store and set up. Surprisingly easy to get them out of
adjustment if they get moved around a lot.

2. A cheap power miter saw beats the heck out of a table saw for trim
miters and cutting 2x4s square for framing projects. (I can't freehand
square cuts any more either.) And they are easy to move around,
especially if you spring for a fold-up stand.

3. For once-in-a-blue-moon panel ripping, several solid sawhorses, and 4
carefully placed 2x4s, plus a metal rip guide (a long straight piece of
metal channel) and some clamps, will let you rip panels with a skilsaw
about as well as a tiny table saw will. Just slide the saw up the rip
guide, and the cut is straight. I wouldn't use something like that for
production work, because it takes too long to set up each cut, but if
you are only cutting a few boards a year, it works. Once you learn the
right offset for your skilsaw/blade combination, setting the fence to
the right offset on the raw material doesn't take long. One strong clamp
at each end, and a stiff enough fence, and the cut is straight enough
for anything short of fine cabinetry. Laying out the loose 2x4s properly
under the work piece keeps the cut from binding up, or the wood from
splintering at the end. (and keeps you from cutting into the sawhorses.)

Anyway, once weather warms up, and I get off my ass and actually start
on my long-postponed projects here, that is the approach I plan to take.
Already have the miter saw, and a half-ass skilsaw (which may need
replacing, since bearings are a tad sloppy.) So all I need is some
better sawhorses, and some2x4s and a piece of metal channel. I think I
have enough clamps laying around....

--

Andy writes:

The above is the best advice I have read on the subject.....

If you buy more than you need, you waste money.....

.... AND you can use a couple 2 X 4s and a sheet of OSB to accommodate
damn near anything you need to rip, tear, or cut off....

A portable, inexpensive, SKILL saw is all you seem to need for
your widely spaced applications.... and a little effort to figure
out
how to use it for your task....

ON THE OTHER HAND, I picked up a radial arm saw at a garage
sale 15 years ago for about $130..... I love it.... I DON'T need
it....
.... but it is damn handy....... and I ain't givin' it back !!!!!

Sometimes you buy more than you need just because
you WANT IT !!!!

Andy in Eureka, Texas

"dpb" wrote in message

It's no mean feat to wrestle a full sheet of 3/4" ply over a table saw and
definitely not recommended w/o sufficient table to support it.


I have a Delta saw, outfeed table, etc. I still have my plywood cut into a
couple of pieces at the supplier to make it easier and safer to handle.
Some do it free, some charge a buck a cut. Worth it.

On Feb 7, 8:40*pm, "James" wrote:
I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. * The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. * *Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 *!!

Perhaps several times a year, *I will have *a need to cut 2 x 4's , *some
trim pieces , and *perhaps some plywood. * Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw,

snip

Odds are what you have been using and calling a skill saw is really a
wretched sidewinder 7 1/4" circular saw. What pros use is the genuine
worm drive circular saw and the difference in following a straight
line is like night and day. The balance of the right tool and the
blade visibility make the all the difference. The famous model 77
SkilSaw worm drive is now made by Bosch and marketed as well under
their name with a different color and a Twistlock cord. The 77 design
has been made with few changes for around 80 years I'm told. It's
easily worth the $50 premium over all the other direct drive saws. My
DeWalt direct drive saw now sits in the corner covered with dust along
with some other purchasing mistakes destined for the village auction
while the 77 gets a workout.
One of the neat things about the 77 design is that the blade offset is
1 1/2" on one side and 3 1/2" on the other, perfect for framing. There
is also a hook to hang it on a rafter. With a smooth 2 x 4 and a pair
of clamps (and sawhorses) accurate cutting of full plywood panels is a
breeze. Try one out from a rental place and see if it will work for
you.

Joe

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message
It's no mean feat to wrestle a full sheet of 3/4" ply over a table saw and
definitely not recommended w/o sufficient table to support it.


I have a Delta saw, outfeed table, etc. I still have my plywood cut into a
couple of pieces at the supplier to make it easier and safer to handle.
Some do it free, some charge a buck a cut. Worth it.

I've the PM Model 66 and the setup, too, but I still use the RAS for
ripping ply to width since it has the full-length (20+ ft overall)
support both in and out.

The suppliers generally have such rough machines and use so little
precision I prefer to do all myself so I can match grain, etc., and all
to my satisfaction at leisure rather than just take the random selection
of the moment.

Again, ymmv, $0.02, etc., ...

--

dpb wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message
It's no mean feat to wrestle a full sheet of 3/4" ply over a table
saw and definitely not recommended w/o sufficient table to support it.


I have a Delta saw, outfeed table, etc. I still have my plywood cut
into a couple of pieces at the supplier to make it easier and safer to
handle. Some do it free, some charge a buck a cut. Worth it.

I've the PM Model 66 and the setup, too, but I still use the RAS for
ripping ply to width since it has the full-length (20+ ft overall)
support both in and out.
....
But neither addresses the issue of the OP of what to do for the
casual/occasional homeowner who doesn't want such an investment or to
dedicate the required room.

I survived for quite a number of years through school and early years
past w/ the above way of using the hand saw only w/ temporary
benches/sawhorses and guides and clamps.

One can do as precise of work that way as one wishes to take the time to
learn to use the tools available and get better results (and
particularly, more safely) than trying to use a small table saw w/o the
ancillary support mechanisms that invariably is attempted by the
inexperienced.

Once the material is down to a reasonable size that can be handled,
_then_ a small tablesaw can indeed be useful.

--

aemeijers wrote:

Yes, I know all that. And if I had a good space to build all that and
leave it set up, I would.

You may wish to consider a 10 or 12" miter saw. They take up far less space and
handle most of the home cutting needs I've come across. The 12" ones will do
most framing lumber. I have this one and it works fine:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=98194

If you plan to rip any wood, you'd still need a table saw. That was the only
advantage a good radial arm saw with a head that turns a full 90 degrees has...

Robert Neville wrote:
....
If you plan to rip any wood, you'd still need a table saw. That was the only
advantage a good radial arm saw with a head that turns a full 90 degrees has...

Au contraire, good buddy...

The RAS is also the perfect tool for cross-cutting long material that is
otherwise a pita for the tablesaw...fitted w/ a long table and rollers,
it is the cat's meow for the sizing of large stock prior to next step...

It does, of course, imply one has the resources in both money and space
to dedicate to it...

If I had to eliminate one or the other, it would be a hard choice at
this point. It would help in that decision if one had a specific
dedication to a type of work as, say, a cabinet shop or specialty
furniture of some variety that would favor a given size/type of
material. As a general-purpose do everything and anything as it comes
up, having the flexibility is something I'd hate to do without.

So, in the end, "different strokes..."

ymmv, $0.02, etc., etc., etc., ...

--

Ulysses wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:40:41 -0500, "James"
wrote:

(snip)
You dont need to spend $150. Not even $1.50.
Just put your circular saw (skilsaw), or any sort of hand saw on your
kitchen table. There ya go...... YOU NOW HAVE A TABLE SAW.
And probably a nagging, bitching wife too, because women dont like
tools in their rooms, which includes every room in the house except
the part of the garage that she dont reserve for all her exercise
equipment, and clothing storage.

Come to think of it, many, many years ago when I didn't have ANY money I
mounted my Sears circular saw under a sheet of 3/4" plywood,

And now a sheet of 3/4" smooth and flat enough to use for a saw table
costs more than a cheap saw does.....

--
aem sends...

Phisherman wrote:
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:57:58 -0500, "James"
wrote:

Very, very good comments and responses here. I will look at the
Ryobi and Craftsmen, and will also look at Craig's List.

Thanks a lot to all !! Very good comments ~ !!!

James



Ryobi and Craftsman are not "good choices" but may be okay for your
use. Don't expect to get into precison work without a lot of fuss.
The fence is a very critical and important part of a table saw. You
will want a circular saw to cut 4x8 ply sheets, not a small table saw.

Maybe. I recently needed a 2x5' piece of 3/4" plywood for a kitchen sink
countertop.

I could have putzed around building supports for my admittedly tiny table
saw, or I could have spent some moderately serious bucks for a used,
substantial, table saw.

Instead I opted for the "Free two cuts" policy at Home Depot. I got my 2x5'
counter top and some nice sized scraps for the cost of the plywood sheet
alone.

So, one's choice of a table saw might depend on a) How often a project
involving a 4x8 sheet comes up and b) Whether one has alternatives
available.

And, speaking of Home Depot's board cutting policy, does anyone own one of
those saws HD uses? The kind where the circular saw blade moves up and down
on a stationary, vertical piece of wood? I'd think that machine would take
up considerable less space than a table saw ('course you'd lose wall
space...).

aemeijers wrote:

jim wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:49 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
James wrote:

I am not a carpenter or even a handyman. The only kind of saw I have owned
for 25 years is a skill saw. Even with very casual use, I am still not
good at using a skill saw to cut a straight edge on a piece of plywood or a
2 x 4 !!
Perhaps several times a year, I will have a need to cut 2 x 4's , some
trim pieces , and perhaps some plywood. Because I am not really skilled
at using a skill saw, I have thought of getting a bare bones, but quality
table saw. Again, I just need something that will allow me to cut boards
and trim pieces and end up with a straight cut. It doesn't have to be very
high powered, or have a lot of fancy adjustments. I guess just an
adjustable fence (isn't that what they call it........ the piece you move
left and right, and put your stock up against for cutting?) and I guess
something that adjusts the depth of a cut. I don't think I would need any
angle cutting, such as a miter saw is used for.
So, what is a recommended brand, and/or a particular saw not exceeding $150
? Can I get a quality one for that price ??
I am thinking of looking at Sears and Home Depot, but wanted to get comments
here first.
Thanks for any advice !!
James
I think your price range is low for a decent unit. A Ryobi *might* be
passable as some of their other products are. For my occasional table
saw needs I have a Bosch (branded) TS4000? contractors saw that has been
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Not sure of the price but have always ahd good luck with Craftsmen

Going through a similar mental exercise (Plus some hands-on
experimenting, visiting my father's place where all needed tools are
available), and came to the following conclusions:

1. The low end table saws with the tiny tables are useless for ripping
plywood and panels more than a couple feet on a side, unless you rig all
sorts of tall sawhorses, and/or have a helper available. And unless you
have a walkout basement, barn, or extra bay in the garage, they are pain
in the ass to store and set up. Surprisingly easy to get them out of
adjustment if they get moved around a lot.

If your project needs smaller parts, this is where the big boxes are
good in they all have panel saws so you can have them rough cut your
material into sizes that are much more manageable for finish cuts on a
small contractor type saw. Often a simple cut in half to 4x4 pieces is
enough to do the job.


2. A cheap power miter saw beats the heck out of a table saw for trim
miters and cutting 2x4s square for framing projects. (I can't freehand
square cuts any more either.) And they are easy to move around,
especially if you spring for a fold-up stand.

Yes, though you can do them on the table saw, while you can't do TS
tasks on a miter saw, so if you are space / budge limits the TS should
come first.


3. For once-in-a-blue-moon panel ripping, several solid sawhorses, and 4
carefully placed 2x4s, plus a metal rip guide (a long straight piece of
metal channel) and some clamps, will let you rip panels with a skilsaw
about as well as a tiny table saw will. Just slide the saw up the rip
guide, and the cut is straight. I wouldn't use something like that for
production work, because it takes too long to set up each cut, but if
you are only cutting a few boards a year, it works. Once you learn the
right offset for your skilsaw/blade combination, setting the fence to
the right offset on the raw material doesn't take long. One strong clamp
at each end, and a stiff enough fence, and the cut is straight enough
for anything short of fine cabinetry. Laying out the loose 2x4s properly
under the work piece keeps the cut from binding up, or the wood from
splintering at the end. (and keeps you from cutting into the sawhorses.)

For the jobs where measurements are tight and I don't trust the big box
to get close enough with their panel saw I will put the sheet of
material on my 4x6 work table and do the rip guide thing myself,
supporting the overhang as appropriate.


Anyway, once weather warms up, and I get off my ass and actually start
on my long-postponed projects here, that is the approach I plan to take.
Already have the miter saw, and a half-ass skilsaw (which may need
replacing, since bearings are a tad sloppy.) So all I need is some
better sawhorses, and some2x4s and a piece of metal channel. I think I
have enough clamps laying around....

Building a panel saw is a good project

With an upright panel saw you can actually sandwich a vertical stock
rack between the panel saw and the wall if you leave clearance to one
side to get stuff in and out.