anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

"N8N" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

Most any name brand will be fine

On Jun 17, 5:32*am, N8N wrote:
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? *i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. *These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. *I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

What voltage is your charger charging them to

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:10:58 -0400, "J.H. Holliday" doc@okcorral
wrote:

"N8N" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

Most any name brand will be fine


Rechargable batteries, as a rule, are very bad for emergency use
unless you continually keep them on trickle charge. The problem is
they loss their charge just sitting on the shelf and when you go to
use them...... well, you found that out. NiMH are particularly bad in
this respect.

There is a new type of rechargeable on the market now call a hybrid
battery. It combines the best of NiMH and alkaline batteries into a
nice rechargable battery. Like alkaline, they retain their charge
sitting on a shelf, and yet they are NiMH rechargable.

Look for the brand Eneloop, made by Sanyo. Its sold at Circuit City
and also online. Also, Rayovac makes one, named appropriately
enough, Hybrid Battery. There are several others on the market too.

-dickm

On Jun 17, 6:32*am, N8N wrote:
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? *i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. *These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. *I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

Some thoughts:
The NiMH batteries may lose up to 1% of their charge every day.
Don't keep charged batteries in flashlight - I use in a camera and
they lose charge in the camera.
Get a good led flashlight - batteries last far longer.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:56:12 -0500, dicko
wrote Re rechargeable batteries?:

There is a new type of rechargeable on the market now call a hybrid
battery. It combines the best of NiMH and alkaline batteries into a
nice rechargable battery. Like alkaline, they retain their charge
sitting on a shelf, and yet they are NiMH rechargable.

Look for the brand Eneloop, made by Sanyo. Its sold at Circuit City
and also online. Also, Rayovac makes one, named appropriately
enough, Hybrid Battery. There are several others on the market too.

I use the Rayovac Hybrid batts and they are very good. About $10/4 at
WalMart.

"J.H. Holliday" doc@okcorral wrote in
:

"N8N" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

Most any name brand will be fine

Both NiCd and NiMH cells have a self-discharge rate that makes them
unsuitable for long term storage.

Rechargeables are best used for frequent-use applications.

alkalines last longer in storage,at least 3 years.(Duracells LEAK,BTW.)

If you must use rechargables,for long term storage,get a flashlight that
uses Lithium-ion batteries.
They will store a charge for 6 months or more.

Flashlights that use lithium 123 cells will last in storage for up to 10
years,but the 123 cells are expensive.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Jun 17, 6:32 am, N8N wrote:
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

Check out C.Crane, http://www.ccrane.com/more-categorie...atteries.aspx;
their C and D cells stand out for actually having a higher mA-hr
rating than their AA's, in contrast to the major brands. I've been
using 4 of their D cells in my son's crib toy (Fisher-Price aquarium,
lights and motor load) for a couple of years now very happily (once I
got over paying FIFTEEN BUCKS FOR A FRIGGIN D-CELL). Note, they take
at least 36 hours to fully charge but last at least 8 or 10 weeks in
the toy, nightly usage ranging from nothing to maybe an hour. That's
with C.Crane's own charger which they've discontinued in favour of a
Rayovac model. They're a bunch of radio geeks so they must have
decided the Rayovac's a good unit.

(I've also used C.Crane's AAAs in a GPS unit and found that each
charge gives me about half the runtime of a fresh set of Duracells...a
clunk on the head to whoever designs high-drain things around AAAs.)

Notwithstanding the well-documented self-discharge of NiMH, if your C-
cells were stone cold less than a month out of a charger, I'd say
either they had not been well charged or had self-discharge even
higher than the norm. I once asked a random local salesdroid why the
major brands rated their Cs and Ds no higher in mA-hrs than their AAs
and was told that their chargers couldn't handle a higher rating...who
knows.

Chip C
Toronto

this flashlight is actually used primarily as a bike headlight, that's
why I bought the rechargeables so I could ride at night.
Unfortunately the weather has not been cooperative lately; every
single day for the past couple weeks it has either been 95 degrees
and/or torrential rain, so it's been sitting. It's one of hte Lowe's
deals I recommended in the other thread (the 3W LED one.) I thought
that the rechargeables should be ready to use because I bought them
very recently and rotated them through the charger at least twice, so
they should have been at worst only partially discharged. I wanted to
use them to save the alkalines in case the power didn't come back on
today I wouldn't have to buy more, but they were utterly and
completely dead, not even a glow from the LED. I probably have 4-5
hours run time on the alkalines and the light is still bright on
them. I don't remember the brand of the batteries (couldn't see them,
obviously, as I was swapping batteries in the dark) my charger is a
couple year old Energizer charger that does both NiCads and NiMH.

nate

On Jun 17, 9:14*am, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:
* * I will add this. *Not all batteries and rechargers are good matches.

* * I am not clear about what you are using these batteries for. *Not all
battery types are good matches for some uses. For example, I use a lot of
rechargeable batteries for those items that I use often and will recharge
the batteries every couple of months. *However I use non-rechargables for
things like thermometers and smoke detectors as they will last of years
there. *I also use alkaline in emergency flashlights.

"N8N" wrote in message

...

anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? *i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. *These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. *I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

--
Joseph Meehan

*Dia 's Muire duit

On Jun 17, 10:52*am, N8N wrote:
this flashlight is actually used primarily as a bike headlight, that's
why I bought the rechargeables so I could ride at night.
Unfortunately the weather has not been cooperative lately; every
single day for the past couple weeks it has either been 95 degrees
and/or torrential rain, so it's been sitting. *It's one of hte Lowe's
deals I recommended in the other thread (the 3W LED one.) *I thought
that the rechargeables should be ready to use because I bought them
very recently and rotated them through the charger at least twice, so
they should have been at worst only partially discharged. *I wanted to
use them to save the alkalines in case the power didn't come back on
today I wouldn't have to buy more, but they were utterly and
completely dead, not even a glow from the LED. *I probably have 4-5
hours run time on the alkalines and the light is still bright on
them. *I don't remember the brand of the batteries (couldn't see them,
obviously, as I was swapping batteries in the dark) my charger is a
couple year old Energizer charger that does both NiCads and NiMH.

nate

On Jun 17, 9:14*am, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:



* * I will add this. *Not all batteries and rechargers are good matches.

* * I am not clear about what you are using these batteries for. *Not all
battery types are good matches for some uses. For example, I use a lot of
rechargeable batteries for those items that I use often and will recharge
the batteries every couple of months. *However I use non-rechargables for
things like thermometers and smoke detectors as they will last of years
there. *I also use alkaline in emergency flashlights.

"N8N" wrote in message

...

anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? *i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. *These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. *I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

--
Joseph Meehan

*Dia 's Muire duit- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Have you measured the voltage after charging, it should be somewhere
over 1.35v, it could be a bad charger or one that does not put out
enough amps to get the battery ever fully charged. As battery amp
capacity has increased over the years old chargers can become
worthless. 1 month it should not be dead unless its a cheap battery or
defective or was never charged fully. Sanyo, Panasonic, Energiser,
Duracell are respected brands there is alot of cheap chinese stuff
being made to power cheap drills etc. Sanyo Eneloop are a new design
which hold a charge for maybe 1 year, but you should check the battery
and charger amp rating then the voltage after its charged and when
dead, Led lights fire at lower voltages than incandesant, 1 month is
to short to go dead, mine still run cameras at 3-4 months.

On Jun 17, 12:57*pm, ransley wrote:
On Jun 17, 10:52*am, N8N wrote:





this flashlight is actually used primarily as a bike headlight, that's
why I bought the rechargeables so I could ride at night.
Unfortunately the weather has not been cooperative lately; every
single day for the past couple weeks it has either been 95 degrees
and/or torrential rain, so it's been sitting. *It's one of hte Lowe's
deals I recommended in the other thread (the 3W LED one.) *I thought
that the rechargeables should be ready to use because I bought them
very recently and rotated them through the charger at least twice, so
they should have been at worst only partially discharged. *I wanted to
use them to save the alkalines in case the power didn't come back on
today I wouldn't have to buy more, but they were utterly and
completely dead, not even a glow from the LED. *I probably have 4-5
hours run time on the alkalines and the light is still bright on
them. *I don't remember the brand of the batteries (couldn't see them,
obviously, as I was swapping batteries in the dark) my charger is a
couple year old Energizer charger that does both NiCads and NiMH.

nate

On Jun 17, 9:14*am, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

* * I will add this. *Not all batteries and rechargers are good matches.

* * I am not clear about what you are using these batteries for. *Not all
battery types are good matches for some uses. For example, I use a lot of
rechargeable batteries for those items that I use often and will recharge
the batteries every couple of months. *However I use non-rechargables for
things like thermometers and smoke detectors as they will last of years
there. *I also use alkaline in emergency flashlights.

"N8N" wrote in message

...

anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? *i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. *These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. *I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

--
Joseph Meehan

*Dia 's Muire duit- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Have you measured the voltage after charging, it should be somewhere
over 1.35v, it could be a bad charger or one that does not put out
enough amps to get the battery ever fully charged. As battery amp
capacity has increased over the years old chargers can become
worthless. 1 month it should not be dead unless its a cheap battery or
defective or was never charged fully. Sanyo, Panasonic, Energiser,
Duracell are respected brands there is alot of cheap chinese stuff
being made to power cheap drills etc. Sanyo Eneloop are a new design
which hold a charge for maybe 1 year, but you should check the battery
and charger amp rating then the voltage after its charged and when
dead, *Led lights fire at lower voltages than incandesant, 1 month is
to short to go dead, mine still run cameras at 3-4 months.

Agreed, I have AAs that were charged in the same charger at the same
time (or longer ago) in my digicam and they are still working.
different brand battery tho.

I will check out the eneloops, those sound interesting. Might be what
I need for stuff that gets used somewhat often but also may sit for
several weeks at a time.

nate

On Jun 17, 7:56*am, dicko wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:10:58 -0400, "J.H. Holliday" doc@okcorral
wrote:





"N8N" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? *i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. *These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. *I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

Most any name brand will be fine

Rechargable batteries, as a rule, are very bad for emergency use
unless you continually keep them on trickle charge. The problem is
they loss their charge just sitting on the shelf and when you go to
use them...... well, you found that out. *NiMH are particularly bad in
this respect.

There is a new type of rechargeable on the market now call a hybrid
battery. It combines the best of NiMH and alkaline batteries into a
nice rechargable battery. *Like alkaline, they retain their charge
sitting on a shelf, and yet they are NiMH rechargable.

Look for the brand Eneloop, made by Sanyo. *Its sold at Circuit City
and also online. * Also, Rayovac makes one, named appropriately
enough, Hybrid Battery. *There are several others on the market too.

-dickm-

Hmm... sounds interesting but the common thread that I see is that all
are only available in AAA and AA sizes. I got the C cell NiMHs so I
wouldn't have to carry several batteries with me if I decided to head
out for a long ride. I guess that plan won't work?

nate

On Jun 17, 8:14*am, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

* * I am not clear about what you are using these batteries for. *Not all
battery types are good matches for some uses.

To support your statement: The Wii (Nintendo) game systems are very
popular now. If one bothers to read the small print, it states that
alkaline and NiMH batteries are ok to use, but NiCads and Lithium
batteries should not be used. I'm curious why the last 2 are not ok -
any thoughts? Alkaline & Lithium are both 1.5v and NiCad & NiMH are
both 1.2v rechargeables so it doesn't appear to be a voltage problem.

KC

N8N wrote:
this flashlight is actually used primarily as a bike headlight, that's
why I bought the rechargeables so I could ride at night.
Unfortunately the weather has not been cooperative lately; every
single day for the past couple weeks it has either been 95 degrees
and/or torrential rain, so it's been sitting. It's one of hte Lowe's
deals I recommended in the other thread (the 3W LED one.) I thought
that the rechargeables should be ready to use because I bought them
very recently and rotated them through the charger at least twice, so
they should have been at worst only partially discharged. I wanted to
use them to save the alkalines in case the power didn't come back on
today I wouldn't have to buy more, but they were utterly and
completely dead, not even a glow from the LED. I probably have 4-5
hours run time on the alkalines and the light is still bright on
them. I don't remember the brand of the batteries (couldn't see them,
obviously, as I was swapping batteries in the dark) my charger is a
couple year old Energizer charger that does both NiCads and NiMH.

nate

I just bought one of the 3W Lowes LED lights. I wanted a bright LED and
it was probably your recommendation in other thread that sent me to
Lowes. Very good deal - thanks. Wondered about the run time and glad
to see it must be several hours. Light is very bright and I have a few
other LED's that are not. Not thinking rechargables but I would think
that C NiMH might be expensive.

Nate; I too use the task force light as a bike light. Works well
though I've had the occasional rider coming toward me shield their
eyes! Am working on a light shield that will provide a sharp cutoff at
the top of the hotspot .I use some older 1800 mah nimh's that give me
a runtime of a bit over an hr- bout right for the length of my ride on
a fairly well lit path in the wee hrs. Pat

patrick wrote:
Nate; I too use the task force light as a bike light. Works well
though I've had the occasional rider coming toward me shield their
eyes! Am working on a light shield that will provide a sharp cutoff at
the top of the hotspot .I use some older 1800 mah nimh's that give me
a runtime of a bit over an hr- bout right for the length of my ride on
a fairly well lit path in the wee hrs. Pat

better yet, someone on one of the bike groups turned me on to this:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1919

they produce a very wide, narrow beam pattern. Not quite as much
close-in light as a proper E-code car headlight, but as a $8 hack to a
$30 flashlight, it works better than it has a right to.

Unfortunately, I seem to have found way too much stuff to do lately to
do any significant amount of riding - today is the first nice day in
appx. 2 weeks and I've got a whole pile of cardboard to break down for
recycling before I go to bed...

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

"Caesar Romano" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:56:12 -0500, dicko
wrote Re rechargeable batteries?:

There is a new type of rechargeable on the market now call a hybrid
battery. It combines the best of NiMH and alkaline batteries into a
nice rechargable battery. Like alkaline, they retain their charge
sitting on a shelf, and yet they are NiMH rechargable.

Look for the brand Eneloop, made by Sanyo. Its sold at Circuit City
and also online. Also, Rayovac makes one, named appropriately
enough, Hybrid Battery. There are several others on the market too.

I use the Rayovac Hybrid batts and they are very good. About $10/4 at
WalMart.


Don't know about the hybrid, but my experience with Rayovac batteries were
consistently all bad. Don't use it on expensive devices, it will all leak
and ruin the electronics. Another junk battery is from Task Force.

I have good experience with GE, Lemar, Energizer and Panasonic. I had some
GE rechargeable for 30 years and those same batteries still hold a charge -
fantastic! The rechargeable batteries on my Braun toothbrush is going
strong for 10 years, as strong as day one. Wish I knew what batteries Braun
uses, like to get some to rebuild the power packs for my cordless drills.

As for NiMH cells, about a month is how long they last out of the charger.
NiMH are for items which are charged more frequently.

The no name NiMH batteries I've had, not worth the trouble. I went through a
couple different Ebay purchases, I use a lot of AA cells. The Ebay batteries
would go flat, unpredictably. And one out of several would go bad, which is
even more trouble. Finally got some Duracell 2650 AA, and been very pleased
with them. Digital camera, and mini mag light. I exchange them nearly every
day with the ones in the charger, and mix em up, one goes in the camera, one
in the light. So they aren't paired up permanantly.

I'd use alkalines in your flash light. Sounds like you don't use it often
enough to cycle the batteries through your charger. Instant action, and
unpredictable when that will be. That's where alkalines do well. I have two
Garrity 3-D flash lights. One in each vehicle. Both on the first set of
batteries. I know they are dependable, and will light up mail boxes, etc,
while I'm trying to find a house. Not much waste, when I'm on the first set
of batteries.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"N8N" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a reliable brand of rechargeable batteries, and where
can I buy them? i ordered some high-capacity NiMH C cells online a
while back and last night when the power hadn't been restored by the
time the sun went down I tried them in my flashlight; dead as a
doornail. These had been charged by me after receiving them and then
rotated through the charger again; all of my rechargeables have been
in the charger within at least the last month. I feel so wasteful
using alkalines but I keep having bad experiences with every
rechargeable I try.

nate

In article
,
says...

Hmm... sounds interesting but the common thread that I see is that all
are only available in AAA and AA sizes. I got the C cell NiMHs so I
wouldn't have to carry several batteries with me if I decided to head
out for a long ride. I guess that plan won't work?

You can get adapters that will allow you to use a AA battery where you need
a C or a D. Check http://www.thomas-distributing.com/index.htm for almost
any rechargable need. I'll second the recommendation for the Sanyo
Eneloops. Great batteries. They (

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...03W&lpage=none

patrick wrote:

Nate; I too use the task force light as a bike light.

I'm getting one for same use as well!

Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in
:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...ctId=225285-50
584-FT-NS-2C%203W&lpage=none


So????
And...???

On Jun 19, 12:03*am, Red Green wrote:
Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote m:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...ctId=225285-50
584-FT-NS-2C%203W&lpage=none

So????
And...???

Light that started thread. Three watts and 150 lumens makes an
extremely bright LED light. Brighter than any other flashlight I
have. LED's most efficient use of electricity and extend battery life.