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Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks



They are available, got tabs on them for connecting/soldered...
http://megabatteries.com/

http://www.batteriesamerica.com/

xman


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Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks


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I don't know of any batteries that are designed to be soldered. You can use
some of the "miracle" fluxes to do it but most battery packs have
spot-welded leads on the bats. Hughes make a lot of the more commonly used
welders. Two welder contacts very close to each make the connection. Once
considered a DC cap type discharge to do it. Low voltage, "high" current
(just a few amps, if that much), very quickly discharged. Doesn't take
much.
Respectfully,
Ron Moore

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Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks




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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:34:38 -0600, "Ron Moore"
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I don't know of any batteries that are designed to be soldered. You can use
some of the "miracle" fluxes to do it but most battery packs have
spot-welded leads on the bats. Hughes make a lot of the more commonly used
welders. Two welder contacts very close to each make the connection. Once
considered a DC cap type discharge to do it. Low voltage, "high" current
(just a few amps, if that much), very quickly discharged. Doesn't take
much.
Respectfully,
Ron Moore

"habbi" wrote in message
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Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks



You CAN buy the batteries with solder tabs already welded on, but I
have had good luck with a VERY hot iron sodering "solder braid" to
standard batteries to make upbattery packs. Iron needs to be heavy and
hot so the solder job is QUICK, otherwize you dammage the batteries
(valving in particular on niMh batteries)
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habbi wrote:

Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks



If you are in a hurry Radio Shack sells some sizes of Ni-Cad batteries
with solder tabs on them. I've replaced the "C" size Ni-Cads in a couple
of our Dust Busters with ones from there.

Likely they won't have ones with the right shape factor to fit your pack
though, but give their web site a shot.

Happy Holidays,

Jeff


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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:53:39 GMT, "habbi"
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Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks


A fellow I knew in Texas did this primarily for rc models, but I
believe he supplied batteries all over. Here's the link.
http://www.powerhouseaircraft.com/

This (NiCad) technology is still used in rc models, although rapidly
being overtaken by NiMH and Li-Poly batteries in planes.

Pete Keillor
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Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic
07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks

If you are in a hurry Radio Shack sells some sizes of Ni-Cad batteries
with solder tabs on them. I've replaced the "C" size Ni-Cads in a couple
of our Dust Busters with ones from there.


Check out
http://thomas-distributing.com/maha-tab-batteries.htm
They some AA's but at 2Ah they may have as much jam as the dead NiCd's

Ted
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habbi wrote:
Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks



Don't waste the time.

http://www.voltmanbatteries.com/

I've had two rebuilt from here, and they do great work and good prices,
if you don't mind a few days without your drill.

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Steve Walker
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clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:34:38 -0600, "Ron Moore"
wrote:

I don't know of any batteries that are designed to be soldered. You can
use some of the "miracle" fluxes to do it but most battery packs have
spot-welded leads on the bats. Hughes make a lot of the more commonly
used
welders. Two welder contacts very close to each make the connection.
Once
considered a DC cap type discharge to do it. Low voltage, "high" current
(just a few amps, if that much), very quickly discharged. Doesn't take
much.
Respectfully,
Ron Moore

"habbi" wrote in message
...
Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt
which are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my
18 volt cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say
Panasonic 07-99. They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan.
Thanks



You CAN buy the batteries with solder tabs already welded on, but I
have had good luck with a VERY hot iron sodering "solder braid" to
standard batteries to make upbattery packs. Iron needs to be heavy and
hot so the solder job is QUICK, otherwize you dammage the batteries
(valving in particular on niMh batteries)

I rebuilt a 12 volt drill pack a couple of weeks ago. using 1.2 volt, 1300
mAH cells I got by taking a 19 volt battery pack I picked up at Big Lots.
Brand new for $11.99. I had to rearrange some of the cells. I first cleaned
the contacts using a wire brush on the Dremel tool. Then soldered using a
BIG iron with rosin core solder. You do need to be quick about it.
--
Keith Bowers - Thomasville, NC
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habbi wrote:
Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks


This is an incredibly common situation, particularly with the el cheapo
Chinese disposable drills - the batteries die long before the drill
wears out. MOST electronic suppliers have them - in Australia, we use a
company called WES. (No use to you, alas) - suggest you contact a local
TV technician and ask to see his supplier catalogues - they have sizing
charts as well. Yours are probably "Sub C" size.

With a decent drill, its worth doing - with a $30 one, no - it will
cost more for decent cells to repack. The ones with welded tags CAN be
soldered - BUT you need to scrupulously clean the tags first (oil from
ther manufacturing process) , use a VERY hot iron (100w) and be FAST to
prevent cell damage. If you have access to a spot welder, thats the
preffered method.

Anderw VK3BFA (a working electronics tech trying to become a
metalworker....)



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habbi wrote:

Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks


The yellow pages.

Look for a Battery Store, usually under the "batteries" Heading.

If you are in a center that does not have one of those, look under
"toys" and "hobbies" for stores that deal to the radio control car or
airplane folks. Solder tab cells are stock in trade for these guys.
Typically they will want to know what capacity you want and what size
cells you need. Normal for cordless tools wouls be what's called a "sub
C" cell and they can be had with capacities from 1100 milliamp/hour on
up to aroud 4000 mah. Pick a capacity that is about 10 times the rated
output of the charger, for NiCad cells.

Cheers
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habbi wrote:
Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18 volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic 07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks


What you want are tabbed cells with solder tabs already spot-welded on.
I've made packs up by soldering to cell bodies, if you get the small
ones too hot, they vent and you lose electrolyte. Only worth it if you
can get the cells for cheap, e.g. bulk surplus. Surplus cells are where
you can find them, All Electronics would be one source. One source for
bulk new cells is Mouser Electronics, they're on the web. You can also
get them made up in standard pack configurations, might save you some
time. The catalog does give physical dimensions for the cells so you
can match them up unless they're really screwy. Downside is that
buying brand-name cells may run you more than the cost of a whole new
drill.

Stan

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Could I use NiMH in place of my NiCad?

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habbi wrote:

Where can you buy rechargeable batteries such as Panasonic 1.2 Volt

which
are designed to be soldered. I took apart my battery packs for my 18

volt
cordless drill and they have 15 NiCad batteries which say Panasonic

07-99.
They are wrapped in brown paper and made in Japan. Thanks


The yellow pages.

Look for a Battery Store, usually under the "batteries" Heading.

If you are in a center that does not have one of those, look under
"toys" and "hobbies" for stores that deal to the radio control car or
airplane folks. Solder tab cells are stock in trade for these guys.
Typically they will want to know what capacity you want and what size
cells you need. Normal for cordless tools wouls be what's called a "sub
C" cell and they can be had with capacities from 1100 milliamp/hour on
up to aroud 4000 mah. Pick a capacity that is about 10 times the rated
output of the charger, for NiCad cells.

Cheers
Trevor Jones



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Could I use NiMH in place of my NiCad?


Offhand, I'll say yes, with a big (BIG) "but".

The "but" is that you will want a new, suitable, charger. Or you will
have to be willing to eat the cost of a couple battery packs learning
what fries them.

Possible, but not real practical unless you are willing to spend.

http://www.rccaraction.com/articles/NiMHbatcare1.asp has a bit of info,
geared towards the RC car guys, who tend to run their batteries down
then recharge immediately.

Cheers
Trevor Jones
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Offhand, I'll say yes, with a big (BIG) "but".



Around here, we call that a Roseanne Barr butt.


I guess you guys all know that song they used at the end of Shriek? "I like
big butts and I cannot lie......"

I wanted to use a couple of lines of that song in a cheap digital play back
device. Something like those audio greeting cards you can get and record
your own message on. I was going to rig it to start singing when somebody
sets on the toilet seat.

I had my 15 year old daughter try to find the song on the internet for me.
She doesn't have a ton of experience with that kind of thing and I guess I
didn't warn her properly. So, for the rest of you guys.... Never do a google
search on the word butt.




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habbi wrote:

Could I use NiMH in place of my NiCad?


It's my understanding that NiCad excels in applications with big,
short-duration current draws, as in power tools. NiMH is more suited to
steady draw at lower current, with few peaks.

Of course, I have nothing to base that on.
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Also in my NiCad packs there are 3 contact points +, - and there is a third,
what is it for? Inside the pack it is wired to a little thing about 1"long,
1/4" wide and 1/8" thick.

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habbi wrote:

Could I use NiMH in place of my NiCad?


It's my understanding that NiCad excels in applications with big,
short-duration current draws, as in power tools. NiMH is more suited to
steady draw at lower current, with few peaks.

Of course, I have nothing to base that on.



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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:07:00 GMT, "habbi"
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Also in my NiCad packs there are 3 contact points +, - and there is a third,
what is it for? Inside the pack it is wired to a little thing about 1"long,
1/4" wide and 1/8" thick.


Overheat thermostat - cuts the charge cycle short if the batteries
are about to do their imitation of Krakatoa.

-- Bruce --

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Thanks
"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:07:00 GMT, "habbi"
wrote:

Also in my NiCad packs there are 3 contact points +, - and there is a

third,
what is it for? Inside the pack it is wired to a little thing about

1"long,
1/4" wide and 1/8" thick.


Overheat thermostat - cuts the charge cycle short if the batteries
are about to do their imitation of Krakatoa.

-- Bruce --

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Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.



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In article qExsf.440172$084.419081@attbi_s22,
"Dave Lyon" wrote:
I guess you guys all know that song they used at the end of Shriek? "I like
big butts and I cannot lie......"


Sir Mixalot "Baby's Got Back". Only know of this from the video clip
shown incessantly when it was first released.

Bill Lee
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